Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Arcadenik]

Your reaction: Chrom gets in over Marth.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Chrom+Lucina works like Zelda/Shiek.

 

[BKupa666]

Its going to be hilarious if Ridley fails to get in, no DK newcomer, Chrom replacing Ike.

I wonder what much of the Smash Bros. fanbase will think of Sakurai after that.

Sakurai is an infallible god, leave him alone!

 

[ChronoBound]

In your opinion, he is the blandest addition. On the business side of things, there is plenty of money to be made for IS if Chrom gets in.

If Sakurai asks Intelligent Systems, which he probably will because the Fire Emblem characters are their property, why in the world would THEY suggest Roy over Chrom? There is absolutely no reason to add him over a character that is still in the media, and can create profit. They can't do that with Roy. That's fact.

Nice "facts" (more like bull****) you pulled out of your ass.

Chrom's game is going to be nearly three years old by the time it releases in Japan.

Secondly, Roy does have utility for sales. The higher-ups at IS have expressed interest in remaking FE6, of which if it does get remade (which it certainly will if Roy returns) means Roy has sales utility.

Secondly, its not just me saying Chrom is bland, its LOTS of people.

 

[Arcadenik]

Chrom+Lucina works like Zelda/Shiek.

Now we have an excuse to separate Zelda and Sheik and replace Sheik with Impa. We need someone to have that gimmick.

 

[ChronoBound]

There's always Pac-Man, Louie, Ninten, and Dixie Kong.

Dixie Kong has an oversized ponytail that can act as a third arm in battle. Providing for an unique fighter that is unlike any other on the roster.

Most people would say Dixie Kong differentiates herself aesthetically and ability wise than Chrom does.

 

[BKupa666]

Also, why is it so terribly important that newer games be advertised over older ones? Any game is only new for so long, especially when the games we consider new won't be by the time Smash is released. Attention is attention, and the principle of retro characters being a thing in the first place ought to prove that.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

There's always Pac-Man, Louie, Ninten, and Dixie Kong.


Where is the logic in that? Popo & Nana were the same shape, weight, and character with the excetption of Gender. That's why they and say someone like Plusle & Minun work as duos. Chrom & Lucina are different classes of being and have different abilities and are not well known for being together all the time. Having them as a duo along with the kinds of attacks they have does NOT work. If Sakurai couldn't make Diddy & Dixie work what would make you assume something even more stupid would work?



Well, considering they haven't attempted to do that yet, it is NOT fact.

What are you talking about? There is nothing to argue against that. Roy is simply not a focus at the current moment, or even in the time that the roster was decided. Roy is not a money maker right now. Chrom's game is on shelves, is incredibly successful, and has the potential to generate even more profit.

That IS fact.

 

[Louie G.]

It's true that Ike has more personality than Chrom.
But chances are Chrom is more prioritized, as the newest Lord, than Ike AT THE MOMENT.
Ike may still make it in, only time will tell.

 

[ChronoBound]

Sakurai has also emphasized that he wants to place in newcomers that show something that has not been seen or done before in Smash Bros.

I don't think Chrom is something that we have not seen before in Smash Bros., especially considering we have already had Marth, Roy, and Ike.

If Sakurai is not being a hypocrite, he may just throw in the "My Unit" since Marth already represents "Lucina" while Ike already represents "Chrom".

 

[Arcadenik]

Why do I get the feeling that a lot of people saying Chrom is bland are Roy and/or Ike fans who perceive Chrom as a threat to their spots on the roster?

 

[Arcanir]

Secondly, Roy does have utility for sales. The higher-ups at IS have expressed interest in remaking FE6, of which if it does get remade (which it certainly will if Roy returns) means Roy has sales utility.

Potentially, a remake may or may not be in the cards for the time being and really they haven't given him more attention then any other lord advertising-wise. Hell, Ike got more in Awakening with Priam.

Secondly, its not just me saying Chrom is bland, its LOTS of people.

To be honest, I don't see how he's anymore bland then the other lords, at best they have a different weapon or the ph1r3 in Roy's case. Personally, as much as I like him in Melee, I felt Roy was more uninteresting as a character in terms of his game.

As for the moveset thing, there are ways to make him unique, like draw from his other classes in Awakening.

 

[ChronoBound]

It's true that Ike has more personality than Chrom.
But chances are Chrom is more prioritized, as the newest Lord, than Ike AT THE MOMENT.
Ike may still make it in, only time will tell.

I am curious what happens if Ridley is de-confirmed.

Does that mean:

1. All of our conceptions about what Sakurai will do (or SHOULD do) are wrong?

or

2. Sakurai has the mentality of a 10 year-old troll at GameFAQs and uses their same arguments when deciding the roster (TOO BIG, NOT RELEVANT, RELEVANCY IS GOD!)

I really can't see Chrom making it in if Sakurai decides to keep Ike.

 

[FlareHabanero]

He dislikes Chrom, he's a FE Big Brain Pro, and knows from his heart that Chrom is a bland lord...

The only thing he offers for both Fire Emblem and Super Smash Bros. is being a train wreck of a casanova.

 

[Xhampi]

Any other ideas from you guys? I'm just looking for some ideas.

Canon, is it that important in smash bros?

How Smash Bros have and could affect a character/series future ?

What to choose : characters for advertising the new game of an already represented serie or characters to represent a serie with no rep ?

How a limited number of slots by series can stop a potential playable character.

It's the best I can think of right now, sorry ^^

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Its going to be hilarious if Ridley fails to get in, no DK newcomer, Chrom replacing Ike.

I wonder what much of the Smash Bros. fanbase will think of Sakurai after that.

It'll be hilarious in a sense. Based on how the Ridley fanbase as a whole has been treated lately though (and I guess Toad's as well), can't say I'll really have sympathy for the fans of those other deconfirmed characters, minus K. Rool's I guess. Like Ike, kinda beyond sympathy at this point.

 

[ChronoBound]

What are you talking about? There is nothing to argue against that. Roy is simply not a focus at the current moment, or even in the time that the roster was decided. Roy is not a money maker right now. Chrom's game is on shelves, is incredibly successful, and has the potential to generate even more profit.

That IS fact.

Roy has potential to generate more money than Chrom if a FE6 remake happens (which IS is interested in doing).

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Nice "facts" (more like bull****) you pulled out of your ***.

Chrom's game is going to be nearly three years old by the time it releases in Japan.

Secondly, Roy does have utility for sales. The higher-ups at IS have expressed interest in remaking FE6, of which if it does get remade (which it certainly will if Roy returns) means Roy has sales utility.

Secondly, its not just me saying Chrom is bland, its LOTS of people.

Just because people share the same opinion on something does not mean it is fact.

Secondly, sure, Roy has utility for sales. But that's IF he is the main character of a game that is out and can draw hype and make money. If there is no word of this remake, then Chrom is going to be the character that Intelligent Systems looks towards most likely. Especially if there are no plans at the current moment (or even when the roster was decided) to make this game. It's circumstantial at this point.

I really appreciate the hostility from people over a freaking video game. Holy cripe is this ridiculous. It's like to some people that if Roy doesn't get in, it's going to be the end of the world, when it just isn't.

 

[ChronoBound]

It'll be hilarious in a sense. Based on how the Ridley fanbase as a whole has been treated lately though (and I guess Toad's as well), can't say I'll really have sympathy for the fans of those other deconfirmed characters, minus K. Rool's I guess. Like Ike, kinda beyond sympathy at this point.

No I mean hilarious in that you will have legions of buttlickers defending horrible decisions because Sakurai is infallible apparently.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Its going to be hilarious if Ridley fails to get in, no DK newcomer, Chrom replacing Ike.

I wonder what much of the Smash Bros. fanbase will think of Sakurai after that.

Honestly
Ridley: Disappointing yes, but somewhat understandable
Donkey Kong rep: Disappointing yes, but somewhat understandable
Chrom over Ike: Disappointing yes, but somewhat understandable.

Chrom isn't a very interesting character but FEA has done more then enough to deserve a rep and I don't even think I need to explain why, seriously, it's more then recency. OK let's see... Best selling FE game ever, the game that saved the franchise from going into... Hibernation... Etc. Etc.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I wonder if one day Ridley will be classified as an overrated character.

 

[ChronoBound]

I really appreciate the hostility from people over a freaking video game. Holy cripe is this ridiculous. It's like to some people that if Roy doesn't get in, it's going to be the end of the world, when it just isn't.

No, you are acting like Chrom is inevtiable or "more likely" when the character has a lot of flaws going against him (the blind FE13 fanboyism on the internet is the reason for this). That even you refuse to recognize the flaws to the character's entry in Smash Bros. shows that you need to look at yourself as well when making this statement.

 

[Arcadenik]

Here's what I think might happen... Sakurai adds Marth first since he is the mascot of the Fire Emblem franchise... and then he adds Chrom second since Fire Emblem: Awakening is still hot right now... and then if he has enough development time... he will add Ike next since he was in Brawl... and if he still has enough development time... he will add Roy last since he was in Melee. I doubt Sakurai is going to delay the game indefinitely just to add all the popular/conservative newcomers and veterans.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

No I mean hilarious in that you will have legions of buttlickers defending horrible decisions because Sakurai is infallible apparently.

Oh, I agree there; don't get me wrong. Was just kinda adding on to what you were saying when I brought up fanbases.

 

[Hotfeet444]

The only thing he offers for both Fire Emblem and Super Smash Bros. is being a train wreck of a casanova.

Oh totally, let's overlook the use of multiple weapon types, new battle mechanics new to Awakening that can be utilized, and many more things, those don't matter in the slightest, woohoo for Casanova train-wreck.

Here's what I think might happen... Sakurai adds Marth first since he is the mascot of the Fire Emblem franchise... and then he adds Chrom second since Fire Emblem: Awakening is still hot right now... and then if he has enough development time... he will add Ike next since he was in Brawl... and if he still has enough development time... he will add Roy last since he was in Melee. I doubt Sakurai is going to delay the game indefinitely just to add all the popular/conservative newcomers and veterans.

I say just have Marth, Chrom and Ike and have Roy as possible DLC.

 

[BKupa666]

Can we preemptively throw out the "it's just a video game" card before this game's inevitable shortcomings drive some of us who, yes, enjoy and care about video games a lot, to discuss them?

 

[ChronoBound]

Here's what I think might happen... Sakurai adds Marth first since he is the mascot of the Fire Emblem franchise... and then he adds Chrom second since Fire Emblem: Awakening is still hot right now... and then if he has enough development time... he will add Ike next since he was in Brawl... and if he still has enough development time... he will add Roy last since he was in Melee. I doubt Sakurai is going to delay the game indefinitely just to add all the popular/conservative newcomers and veterans.

Or Sakurai skips Chrom, and goes for someone that is actually, I dunno INTERESTING as opposed to another mercenary blue-haired swordsman with Aether who fights for his friends.

I wrote a whole lot more interesting posts about this, but keep in mind Sakurai is a huge fan of the Fire Emblem franchise.

He just as much as everyone else would like to show that the Fire Emblem series has a lot more to offer than just "blue-haired swordsmen of differing stats". I mean think about for a second who would intrigue more people unfamiliar with FE?

The My Unit or Chrom?

Anna or Chrom?

Sure FE13 players are more likely to recognize Chrom over the formers, but for everyone else, there would be far more discussion and intrigue over the former choices than a retread of a tired trope in Smash Bros.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

No, you are acting like Chrom is inevtiable or "more likely" when the character has a lot of flaws going against him (the blind FE13 fanboyism on the internet is the reason for this). That even you refuse to recognize the flaws to the character's entry in Smash Bros. shows that you need to look at yourself as well when making this statement.

What flaws?

He has the POTENTIAL to be a clone/replacement of Ike? I don't expect or want that in the slightest.
He may get in because of recency? That's a part of IS's suggestions, and it shouldn't be a surprise to people at all. As a business decision, it would make perfect sense for IS to suggest Chrom.

Not to mention, an opinion that a character is bland is not a flaw. It's an opinion.

I really don't see the problem. I like Chrom because I like Chrom. I don't see the problem with that.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Anna over Chrom, I really wouldn't mind it, would you guys mind?

 

[Arcadenik]

Roy has potential to generate more money than Chrom if a FE6 remake happens (which IS is interested in doing).

Yes, we know that... but so far, we haven't heard anything about IS actually developing FE6 remake yet. Right now, Awakening is hot. Nintendo and IS are going to want to capitalize on FE13's success. SSB4 is currently in middle of development... I doubt they are going to stop development for one character whose game was announced during development. Roy is not Sonic, you know.

If there's a FE6 remake after SSB4 comes out, then Roy might have a shot in SSB5... unless a new Lord shows up in FE14 or FE15.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I want a Fire Emblem movie.. that would be really interesting.

 

[Chandeelure]

Talk about Fire Emblem/Ridley = Fight

 

[ChronoBound]

Oh totally, let's overlook the use of multiple weapon types, new battle mechanics new to Awakening that can be utilized, and many more things, those don't matter in the slightest, woohoo for Casanova train-wreck.

Toon Link aesthetically was a bigger contrast to Twilight Princess Link than Chrom is to Ike and has far more notable differing abilities (Hurricane Spin, Deku Leaf, Tingle Tuner, Bombchus, Skull Hammer) yet TL turned out to be the cloniest clone in Brawl.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Anna over Chrom, I really wouldn't mind it, would you guys mind?

NOPE. MU/Anna over Chrom is actually an ideal, albeit, unlikely alternative for FE:A =P

 

[ChronoBound]

What flaws?

He has the POTENTIAL to be a clone/replacement of Ike? I don't expect or want that in the slightest.
He may get in because of recency? That's a part of IS's suggestions, and it shouldn't be a surprise to people at all. As a business decision, it would make perfect sense for IS to suggest Chrom.

Not to mention, an opinion that a character is bland is not a flaw. It's an opinion.

I really don't see the problem. I like Chrom because I like Chrom. I don't see the problem with that.

That you are blind to the possibility of Chrom ending up being a retread of Ike shows your fanboyism.

Everyone else ASIDE from the Chrom fanboys can obviously see this.

 

[BluePikmin11]

NOPE. MU/Anna over Chrom is actually an ideal, albeit, unlikely alternative for FE:A =P

Haha.. Hawt!!!!

 

[Arcanir]

Toon Link aesthetically was a bigger contrast to Twilight Princess Link than Chrom is to Ike and has far more notable differing abilities (Hurricane Spin, Deku Leaf, Tingle Tuner, Bombchus, Skull Hammer) yet TL turned out to be the cloniest clone in Brawl.

One example does not make the norm, Chrom has just as much a chance to be unique as he does being an Ike clone, it's not nearly as cut-and-dry as you're making it out to be.

 

[BKupa666]

Talk about Fire Emblem/Ridley = Fight

To be fair, Ridley shouldn't be a controversial character to discuss, he only is because he grew up in a culture of toobigotry.

 

[ChronoBound]

Yes, we know that... but so far, we haven't heard anything about IS actually developing FE6 remake yet..

I bet big bucks that FE6 WILL get remade if Roy does return for Smash 4.

I also bet big bucks that if Chrom shows up as an Ike clone (or Ike replacement) he is going to end up being by far the most hated newcomer for Smash 4. And he is going to be bashed far more than "clones" like Lucas/Wolf were.

 

[Arcadenik]

Toon Link aesthetically was a bigger contrast to Twilight Princess Link than Chrom is to Ike and has far more notable differing abilities (Hurricane Spin, Deku Leaf, Tingle Tuner, Bombchus, Skull Hammer) yet TL turned out to be the cloniest clone in Brawl.

And he turned out to be a whole lot better than Hyrule Tier Link. Honestly, Sakurai really should cut Toon Link and give Link Toon Link's speed and jumping prowess. Link would be actually be playable for once.