Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

My original idea was to give Falco his move set back from melee, and make him more aerial based, change wolf's specials, and give Fox Krystal's staff..

 

[masterluigi1]

Donkey Kong > Fire Emblem > Kirby > Star Fox

Basically the order I would like to see in terms of which series I think should have four playable characters.

donkey kong and kirby don't have as many important characters as star fox,
fire emblem already has as many as star fox.

Metroid has two reps, granted both the same character but they are considered different.

Metroid also has fewer personalities than Star Fox. Outside Samus the only recurring characters are the bosses. Ridley has been considered in the past but left out due to technical limitations. Ridley will likely be in the new game taking the total reps to three, same as Star Fox.

Star Fox has the two main protagonists and the main rival repped. Krystal is the sometime love interest of the main character who has appeared in considerably less, and might I add less well received games (I'm actually one of the few who liked Adventures though so I'm being honest not bias).

And if I might consider the adding unique characters point, which is fair, surely it would be easier to add characters from new or under-repped series rather than bloat an existing one. Sakurai has said many times he wishes to keep the franchises relatively balanced and four Star Fox's is too much.

I don't think four reps is too much considering the fact that star fox has more relevant characters that actually fit into smash.
Even though the games she was in was less well recieved.. despite this, she is STILL one of the more popular characters, she is the only star fox character to have a game that featured her in

 

[Bowserlick]

I think Fire Emblem is fine with two. A third should only be used if something different is going to be done. I don't think Roy with fire on his sword or Chrom being a mix between ike and Marth qualify as adding something exciting and special to the game.

Kirby has a good reps. Rework Metaknight a bit and you have a nice display of the Kirby world.

Starfox... Wolf should get new specials or replace with Andross with a body (which most likely will not happen, but after Wii Fit Trainer I have a ray of hope).

DK needs either Dixie or King K. Rool (I would go with this choice, but Dixie might be more likely).

Metroid needs Ridley.

Mario doesn't need another rep., but I kinda feel like it is time for another one. Paper Mario or Toad could be interesting as well as the dark horse: Waluigi. But not necessary.

Earthbound really only needs Ness.

 

[AEMehr]

Implying I said they weren't important??? The point is that your smash attacks aren't the only attacks you have or that matter.

I wasn't just referring to Smash Attacks. I also referred to the Stand A Attacks, Tilts, Aerials, Grabs, and Ledge/Get Up Attacks (fyi those are the ones with Kirby and Jigglypuff's similar moves).

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[N3ON]

Donkey Kong > Fire Emblem > Kirby > Star Fox

Basically the order I would like to see in terms of which series I think should have four playable characters.

If we're going to order it by individual characters that merit inclusion, I'd personally go with:
DK > FE > SF > Kirby

but if we go with which series should get four first, based on series alone... then I'd go with:
DK > Kirby > FE > SF

If that makes any sense.
(plus overall it averages out to yours anyway )

 

[TheBakonBitz]

- Insert "Wait, What?" meme -

Good or bad?

 

[ChronoBound]

donkey kong and kirby don't have as many important characters as star fox,
fire emblem already has as many as star fox.

Dixie Kong and K. Rool say hi.

 

[masterluigi1]

Dixie Kong and K. Rool say hi.

You know with a 45- 50 character roster it's possible to fit them and still have krystal

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Good or bad?

Well, Falco being a bigger clone of Fox or Fox with a staff is not going to be well received by me

You know with a 45- 50 character roster it's possible to fit them and still have krystal

As nice as it'd be it really doesn't balance out and the addition of Krystal isn't a big deal and I doubt Sakurai finds priority, Star Fox is complete as it is.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Donkey Kong > Fire Emblem > Kirby > Star Fox

Basically the order I would like to see in terms of which series I think should have four playable characters.

My personal order.

DK > Star Fox > Kirby > FE

FE is at the bottom because theres too many choices for FE, and Kirby is also a bit higher because I like the idea of Bandana Dee playable.

 

[Silverjay323]

I think Fire Emblem is fine with two. A third should only be used if something different is going to be done. I don't think Roy with fire on his sword or Chrom being a mix between ike and Marth qualify as adding something exciting and special to the game.

Kirby has a good reps. Rework Metaknight a bit and you have a nice display of the Kirby world.

Starfox... Wolf should get new specials or replace with Andross with a body (which most likely will not happen, but after Wii Fit Trainer I have a ray of hope).

DK needs either Dixie or King K. Rool (I would go with this choice, but Dixie might be more likely).

Metroid needs Ridley.

Mario doesn't need another rep., but I kinda feel like it is time for another one. Paper Mario or Toad could be interesting as well as the dark horse: Waluigi. But not necessary.

Earthbound really only needs Ness.

Metroid needs Ridley, but Mother doesn't need Lucas. Explain.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

Well, Falco being a bigger clone of Fox or Fox with a staff is not going to be well received by me.

Well Falco wouldn't be a clone of Fox because Fox has a spiffy new staff

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Personal Preference

FE > DK > Star Fox > Kirby

I want to see Lyn, Eirika, Roy, and others.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Donkey Kong > Fire Emblem > Kirby > Star Fox

Basically the order I would like to see in terms of which series I think should have four playable characters.

For me, it's Fire Emblem > Donkey Kong > Kirby > Star Fox

Not exactly sure why a lot of people want to go past 3 DK characters and add 4.

Oh, and I'd like it if Metroid had 3 characters and F-Zero had 2 characters.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

Metroid needs Ridley, but Mother doesn't need Lucas. Explain.

Because Metroid has eleven games and EarthBound has three games?

EDIT: Oh, and Ridley adds diversity while Lucas is rust a reskin.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

donkey kong and kirby don't have as many important characters as star fox,

Dixie and K. Rool, both have very high potential.

Starfox and DK have just as many important characters, and I think one of them is more likely to get in rather than Krystal. I wish we could get all three, but I find it unlikely.

 

[masterluigi1]

As nice as it'd be it really doesn't balance out and the addition of Krystal isn't a big deal and I doubt Sakurai finds priority, Star Fox is complete as it is.

yes it does because all other more important nintendo franchises like DK and Metroid can have all their relevant characters repped without limiting the possibility of other less important franchises that have more potential characters THAT ACTUALLY FIT.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

yes it does because all other more important nintendo franchises like DK and Metroid can have all their relevant characters repped without limiting the possibility of other less important franchises that have more potential characters THAT ACTUALLY FIT.

My original idea was to give Falco his move set back from melee, and make him more aerial based, change wolf's specials, and give Fox Krystal's staff. In this way we have three different, diverse, and important reps, while keeping Star Fox limited to three. But Sakurai is slowly crushing my dreams with these daily updates.

Problem solved.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

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Donkey Kong > Fire Emblem > Kirby > Star Fox

Basically the order I would like to see in terms of which series I think should have four playable characters.

Oh come on, Kirby? Unless it's Daroach

I'd say Donkey Kong > Star Fox > Fire Emblem > Kirby

As much as I don't care for Dixie, Dixie has more of a chance of being interesting than both Star Fox characters being changed AND Krystal getting an original moveset. Star Fox is next in line because while it might not deserve it, people want the characters, and if people want the characters and it'd complete a series and it's internationally more popular than most? Sure. It'll be the only good game we'll ever play star fox characters with anymore anyways seriously, Fire Emblem next, but that's just because it can fit three veterans and Chrom, and then Kirby, but if you put Daroach I'd take that over Roy any day.

...and yes I'm ready for a bunch of people saying waddle dee and I know it'd probably be that (Unless they put the rat in more games)

edit: By the by, anyone who takes me seriously about Daroach I have no words for.

 

[Silverjay323]

Because Metroid has eleven games and EarthBound has three games?

EDIT: Oh, and Ridley adds diversity while Lucas is rust a reskin.

...Are you serious?

 

[CalumG]

Gonna throw a spanner in the works here and say none of the franchises other than Mario, Zelda and Pokemon need more than 3 reps. Come at me bro's.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

yes it does because all other more important nintendo franchises like DK and Metroid can have all their relevant characters repped without limiting the possibility of other less important franchises that have more potential characters THAT ACTUALLY FIT.

Krystal would fit in just fine...so would K. Rool and Dixie.

The problem is coming up with movesets and still balancing everyone out. Sakurai is working on both balance and quality, which isn't easy to do.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Because Metroid has eleven games and EarthBound has three games?

EDIT: Oh, and Ridley adds diversity while Lucas is rust a reskin.

Oh dear. I don't think you've played as Ness or Lucas, have you?

 

[masterluigi1]

Dixie and K. Rool, both have very high potential.

Starfox and DK have just as many important characters, and I think one of them is more likely to get in rather than Krystal. I wish we could get all three, but I find it unlikely.

the only relevant RECURRING characters in DK are DK,Dixie,Diddy, and K Rool.

star fox= fox,falco,wolf,krystal,slippy,Peppy,etc....

with a 45-50 character roster, dixie and K rool can both fit in with krystal in also

 

[KingofPhantoms]

the only relevant RECURRING characters in DK are DK,Dixie,Diddy, and K Rool.

star fox= fox,falco,wolf,krystal,slippy,Peppy,etc....

with a 45-50 character roster, dixie and K rool can both fit in with krystal in also

I don't see much of a need for Slippy or Peppy.

K. Rool and Dixie combined gives the franchise more potential over SF's Krystal, but I believe they could all fit in the roster just fine.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

yes it does because all other more important nintendo franchises like DK and Metroid can have all their relevant characters repped without limiting the possibility of other less important franchises that have more potential characters THAT ACTUALLY FIT.

I'm aware of Krystal's potential, but as a character I don't think she's a good addition.

 

[3Bismyname]

the only relevant RECURRING characters in DK are DK,Dixie,Diddy, and K Rool.

star fox= fox,falco,wolf,krystal,slippy,Peppy,etc....

with a 45-50 character roster, dixie and K rool can both fit in with krystal in also

wait u wanna talk about who has more recurring characters. it would still be DK really. DK, Diddy, Dixie, K Rool, Cranky, Funky, Candy, Rambi, Wrinkly etc. though their roles aren't as dynamic they are still just as recurring as all those Starfox characters u just listed.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

So on a totally sort-of related note, if we had a fourth Kirby rep, what would you guys actually think if it was Daroach?

inb4"waddle dee"

 

[zauberdragon]

Krystal isn't even that important to the Star Fox series. I don't understand why she deserves a spot for any reasons other than move set potential and to boost female representation- both of which combined do not equal playable status. Yes it's possible but when you've got three far more important characters present in a series of a good sized, but not huge significance she's unnecessary.

 

[IsmaR]

Why are people so stingy? I thought more characters from any series was a good thing.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

...Are you serious?

Sure am, Metroid is one of Nintendo's most popular franchises, ever wondered why Samus is already confirmed but a EarthBound character hasn't been? Lucas is most certainly a reskin:

I'll only do Smashes and Specials for the sake of time.
Special - Freeze and Flash, same idea, but they do different things so these are kinda unique.
Side Special - Fire, same for both.
Up Special - Thunder, same for both.
Down Special - PSI Magnet, same for both.
Final Smash - PK Starstorm, Lucas' fall at an angle, come on, same for both.
Side Smash - Stick = Bat

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Why are people so stingy? I thought more characters from any series was a good thing.

Welcome to the ADHD filled thread called "The Roster Prediction Thread" where everyone is stingy all the time.

I'm probably one of the few people that honestly isn't and thinks most series could have a good second supporting character. Hell, after seeing Pikmin 2 and hearing about 3, I even think Loiue would be a good addition. Bite me.

 

[FlareHabanero]

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Honestly, unless there's changes, if we get Ike/Marth/Chrom or Ike/Marth/Roy, I see it being pretty bland either way. Chrom will replicate Ike, Roy will replicate Marth. Pick your poison.

Basically it's picking between the fiery ginger and the sex hound.

This is one of those cases where I'd pick Takamaru and just pretend he's from Fire Emblem. I mean, it's the closest thing to a Myrmidon/Swordmaster were going to get anyway (love that class).

 

[Bowserlick]

Metroid needs Ridley, but Mother doesn't need Lucas. Explain.

Ness is a combination of character's powers already. He seems to represent the Earthbound world enough just by himself. Lucas (as in Smash) uses similar specials as well as having similar movement options. I don't think it is worth the effort to include Lucas if he is not going to have different powers.

Ridley has a different shape and appendages than Samus. He is a villain. He represents another side to the Metroid world. He sets the plot in motion in the series. Metroid is also a series that is still going on.

But also realize this is my opinion.

 

[masterluigi1]

I don't see much of a need for Slippy or Peppy.

K. Rool and Dixie combined gives the franchise more potential over SF's Krystal, but I believe they could all fit in the roster just fine.

there are more reoccurring characters than just slippy and peppy, but even if we discount them, starfox and dk both have 4.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Sure am, Metroid is one of Nintendo's most popular franchises, ever wondered why Samus is already confirmed but a EarthBound character hasn't been? Lucas is most certainly a reskin:

I'll only do Smashes and Specials for the sake of time.
Special - Freeze and Flash, same idea, but they do different things so these are kinda unique.
Side Special - Fire, same for both. Lucas's moves straight, does not make the wall of fire upon contact
Up Special - Thunder, same for both. Lucas's passes through enemies, but is weaker, and is also easier to control
Down Special - PSI Magnet, same for both.
Final Smash - PK Starstorm, Lucas' fall at an angle, come on, same for both.
Side Smash - Stick = Bat

And even with that, their normal moves are not similar in the slightest.

 

[josh bones]

Sure am, Metroid is one of Nintendo's most popular franchises, ever wondered why Samus is already confirmed but a EarthBound character hasn't been?Lucas is most certainly NOT a reskin:

I'll only do Smashes and Specials for the sake of time.
Special - Freeze and Flash, same idea, but they do different things so these are kinda unique.
Side Special - Fire, same for both. Ness' is a pillar.
Up Special - Thunder, same for both. Lucas doesn't stop at after hitting once
Down Special - PSI Magnet, same for both. Ness' covers his whole body, while lucas; only goes on a side
Final Smash - PK Starstorm, Lucas' fall at an angle, come on, same for both.
Side Smash - Stick = Bat

Yeah not a reskin in any way.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

there are more reoccurring characters than just slippy and peppy, but even if we discount them, starfox and dk both have 4.

Cranky is important too, but Peppy and Slippy aren't really that important to Smash.

In my eyes, Starfox does not have any more or less important potential characters for Smash than DK does.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

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Basically it's picking between the fiery ginger and the sex hound.

This is one of those cases where I'd pick Takamaru and just pretend he's from Fire Emblem. I mean, it's the closest thing to a Myrmidon/Swordmaster were going to get anyway (love that class).

You know, I'd be okay with that.

Hey, if they give Chrom or Roy an original moveset, I don't see the problem. Even if it's semi-cloned a bit, I won't mind. I guess time will tell. Arena Ferox being a stage is already really telling though.

also new avi guys

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Sure am, Metroid is one of Nintendo's most popular franchises, ever wondered why Samus is already confirmed but a EarthBound character hasn't been? Lucas is most certainly a reskin:

I'll only do Smashes and Specials for the sake of time.
Special - Freeze and Flash, same idea, but they do different things so these are kinda unique.
Side Special - Fire, same for both.
Up Special - Thunder, same for both.
Down Special - PSI Magnet, same for both.
Final Smash - PK Starstorm, Lucas' fall at an angle, come on, same for both.
Side Smash - Stick = Bat

I'll give you the side smash, but other than that, there is still a difference between each special which affects how they are used. Need I bring Lucas' completely different A moveset (Side Smash exception)? Lucas is used completely differently from Ness. Lucas is my main and I'm terrible with Ness. Lucas is a semi-clone, just like Luigi, Falco, and Wolf.