Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Gune]

I am curious if there is anyone in this thread that personally wants to see Roy return. It seems nearly all of the new posters are Chrom guys.

However, perhaps its people posting what they see as "likely" as opposed to what they actually want.

Yeah I do want to see Roy come back not because I like Roy but because if he does comeback that gives hope that anyone this time around that gets cut well most likely comeback in smash 5.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

Why? There is a portion from Animal Crossing that doesn't seem to have been explored yet with the Villager. Tom Nook makes enough sense to be the second character for the franchise if they did get a second rep (But I still personally don't see it all too likely).
Semi-Clones. Jigglypuff and Kirby have several similarities, same with Wolf and Fox too. Not enough to be bluntly called clones obviously, they're more "Luigi-fied", so they can be classified as Semi-Clones.

I also said potentially Chrom, but I'm fully aware he could be his own unique character. Doesn't mean he will be one if he does get in though.

Yup because she is pink and fluffy makes her a clone.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

I am curious if there is anyone in this thread that personally wants to see Roy return. It seems nearly all of the new posters are Chrom guys.

However, perhaps its people posting what they see as "likely" as opposed to what they actually want.

I want Roy back.

 

[AEMehr]

And I have looked at them doing the same attacks before they are just as similar as Lucario.

Yup because she is pink and fluffy makes her a clone.

They've got many more similarities than Lucario and Mewtwo have. Literally go boot up your game and compare their general attacks (Aerials, Smashes, Tilts) a good amount of them are similar (Specials don't make a character you know).

FYI Jigglypuff was a pretty popular Pokemon back then in both game & Anime.

FYI that only brought here to mind, doesn't change the fact that she was added primarily so they could reuse materials to turn Kirby into her originally.

 

[ChronoBound]

Yeah I do want to see Roy come back not because I like Roy but because if he does comeback that gives hope that anyone this time around that gets cut well most likely comeback in smash 5.

FYI, if its Lucario you are worried about, I definitely don't think Sakurai is going into Smash 4 with the intention of cutting Lucario. If Lucario does not return, it will be due to time constraints. His chances of being cut are way overblown. At the very least he is safer than Ike, Toon Link, and the third-party duo.

 

[mimgrim]

I am curious if there is anyone in this thread that personally wants to see Roy return. It seems nearly all of the new posters are Chrom guys.

However, perhaps its people posting what they see as "likely" as opposed to what they actually want.

Personally I don't care for Chrom either and if I can find a Tiki Icon and figure out how to put it into the roster maker I will probably jsut start putting her in instead. Cause Smash needs more dragons. Dragons galore I say dragons galore.

 

[Gune]

FYI, if its Lucario you are worried about, I definitely don't think Sakurai is going into Smash 4 with the intention of cutting Lucario. If Lucario does not return, it will be due to time constraints. His chances of being cut are way overblown. At the very least he is safer than Ike, Toon Link, and the third-party duo.

Jeez you read me like a book... thank's for the info.

 

[MargnetMan23]

I think Roy has perhaps the most underrated chances for Smash 4 of any character, especially outside of SmashBoards. I mean what other character can claim to be both planned for Brawl and highly requested aside from Mewtwo and to a lesser extent Dixie Kong?

Frankly though I personally find his requests somewhat unjustified I mean, what? He was sort of cool in melee? Beyond that I won't completely discount him... But his chances of being given high priority and/or de-cloned significantly are somewhat low in my opinion. In a wonderful world where Ike might have some troubles getting back on the roster Roy just doesn't seem like an important addition

 

[ChronoBound]

Personally I don't care for Chrom either and if I can find a Tiki Icon and figure out how to put it into the roster maker I will probably jsut start putting her in instead. Cause Smash needs more dragons. Dragons galore I say dragons galore.

If Ninian is Roy's mom (typically regarded as the most likely candidate), then Roy is part dragon.

I don't see Tiki as a plausible candidate for a playable character. However, its either going to be Tiki or Tharja that's added as the new Assist Trophy for the Fire Emblem series. I think Tiki would be the superior choice though.

 

[mimgrim]

If Ninian is Roy's mom (typically regarded as the most likely candidate), then Roy is part dragon.

I don't see Tiki as a plausible candidate for a playable character. However, its either going to be Tiki or Tharja that's added as the new Assist Trophy for the Fire Emblem series. I think Tiki would be the superior choice though.

Eh playable in 5 games has a decently major role in 4 of those 5 games and has a midly important role with the 5th game. Has better chances then say Tharja na dmakes the people complaining about generic hur dur generic lord with a sword complaint. Personally I don't care for either Roy or Chrom but if I have to chose it would goto Chrom as a I feel he offers a bit more then Roy does. But eh, dragons man.

 

[ChronoBound]

Personally I don't care for either Roy or Chrom but if I have to chose it would goto Chrom as a I feel he offers a bit more then Roy does. But eh, dragons man.

Simply limited to their canonical weapons, Roy can do more with the Sword of Seals than Chrom can do with FE13's Falchion.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Whatever you call it you can expect half/semi/whatever clones to be in SSB4. Sakurai doesn't NORMALLY add characters just to have whatever clones, but he does add them. It's naive to be so sure there will be literally none this time around. ESPECIALLY if there are some time constraints, which he assured us might be a possibility.

Oh there MIGHT be clones/semi clones.

Petit Link and Ganondorf, if he's not turned into a complete character.

Sakurai is rebooting some characters. He rebooted BOWSER for crying out loud, what makes you think he's going to keep adding clones? And as hard to imagine as it is, I bet Ganondorf will finally be his own character this time.

The roster will be limited BECAUSE it's too much work to fix the ones that are already in while keep adding more. Add the fact that he has The Chosen One's ARMY developing the game too (Namco) and you can bet no new clones will be added.

 

[Opossum]

If Ninian is Roy's mom (typically regarded as the most likely candidate), then Roy is part dragon.

I don't see Tiki as a plausible candidate for a playable character. However, its either going to be Tiki or Tharja that's added as the new Assist Trophy for the Fire Emblem series. I think Tiki would be the superior choice though.

While I definitely don't think it's likely in the slightest, I think Tiki would at least have some merit in being a playable character, seeing as she has had important playable roles in five games now, if I remember correctly. Though, as you said, she's far more likely to be an Assist Trophy.

 

[Xigger]

Jigglypuff's floaty behavior has nothing to do with clone status: being pink, round, and floaty while another character is enough for anyone ignorant to the whole clone/originality debate. You could use the original game for argument, but the origin of the character clones isn't very relevant to the current clone status quo.

If clones are a result of quickly adding in characters without a lot of work for new originality, then that's understandable. But now it's Namco Bandai. Any pattern you never think twice to break doesn't hold as strong as before. If you didn't already get that idea from Villager or Wii Fit Trainer or Luigi's announcement. You should about Namco's tendencies to cut corners rather than only Sakurai's.



Roy was more well-received than Marth, stands out more than most Fire Emblem characters, but faces the typical can't-have-too-many-reps problem. Many people believe Chrom's popularity is out of expectation, and use that as basis for other franchise characters. In the end, the Fire Emblem character have been popular main characters: but whether it's the popularity or the main character status, which Chrom is in an arguable position for, has yet to be seen.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I am curious if there is anyone in this thread that personally wants to see Roy return. It seems nearly all of the new posters are Chrom guys.

However, perhaps its people posting what they see as "likely" as opposed to what they actually want.

I like Roy. I love Roy in Melee.
But I kind of want to see something other than Sword fighting from Fire Emblem.

To be honest, I want to see a Tactician in there. Robin is the most likely candidate.
I would just love to control units (even if they're just upscaled GBA sprites) of random units, or better yet, past LORDS, to attack.


Add a fun gimmick such as opponents being able to strip you off those units, and it would make a VERY interesting character to use.
The units could work like very brief Assist Trophies that opponents can damage (or kill in one strong hit).


The whole intelectual part of F.E. needs to be represented, imo. BUT, Roy is my 2nd choice. Lyn is my 3rd. Micaiah my 4th, and I really don't care about Chrom... he's just too redundant from my POV.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Who's the person who made these?

 

[kikaru]

I am curious if there is anyone in this thread that personally wants to see Roy return. It seems nearly all of the new posters are Chrom guys.

However, perhaps its people posting what they see as "likely" as opposed to what they actually want.

He was my favorite character in Melee, I'm indifferent whether or not Roy or Chrom join Marth and Ike as I have legitimate reason to support both of them, personally I would prefer Tiki to trump both Roy and Chrom though.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Oh there MIGHT be clones/semi clones.

Petit Link and Ganondorf, if he's not turned into a complete character.

Sakurai is rebooting some characters. He rebooted BOWSER for crying out loud, what makes you think he's going to keep adding clones? And as hard to imagine as it is, I bet Ganondorf will finally be his own character this time.

The roster will be limited BECAUSE it's too much work to fix the ones that are already in while keep adding more. Add the fact that he has The Chosen One's ARMY developing the game too (Namco) and you can bet no new clones will be added.

You do realize Bowser is just a change in stats. And what does Namco working on the game have to do with semi-clones??? What does ANY of this have to do with semi-clones? Also I can see Ganondorf being luigified, but I think he's better with his moves now and will probably stay that way.

 

[Bowserlick]

I don't think FE and Starfox needs three reps if all three are all going to stay close to the original model (Marth, Fox). Starfox could go for Andross with a body or even Krystal (although I am not crazy about this choice) and ditch Wolf. And FE could try to stay away from blue haired lord with sword for a third rep.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Too much Kirby, too much Zelda as well as characters that don't need to be represented for Zelda (just remove them both and add Toon Link.) Tom Nook is pointless, you should pick one DK newcomer, Black Mage ain't happening. Replace some of these with Takamaru & Starfy (as you don't have a retro rep anyway) and I would probably drop Kamek as she's not very unique and I don't think Yoshi needs to represent anybody, but himself. Even if we did get a Final Fantasy rep it'd make more sense to have Cloud

Cloud? Seriously? He's never even BEEN on a Nintendo system before!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't think FE and Starfox needs three reps if all three are all going to stay close to the original model (Marth, Fox). Starfox could go for Andross with a body or even Krystal (although I am not crazy about this choice) and ditch Wolf. And FE could try to stay away from blue haired lord with sword for a third rep.

Wolf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Andross or Krystal

 

[SuperBrawler]

Who's the person who made these?

 

[kikaru]

Cloud? Seriously? He's never even BEEN on a Nintendo system before!

Kingdom Hearts Re:Coded on the DS would like to disagree with you. But I doubt we'd see anything from Square on Smash anyways.

 

[Bowserlick]

Wolf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Andross or Krystal

I don't care for Krystal that much. But I think Andross can just offer more. Certainly he could do better than copy specials and Landmaster.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't care for Krystal that much. But I think Andross can just offer more. Certainly he could do better than copy specials and Landmaster.

What matters is who Wolf is and not what he does. Besides I like Wolf's move set, it's awesome!

 

[SuperBrawler]

Can someone answer my question? I wanna know who makes those character trophy art.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I am curious if there is anyone in this thread that personally wants to see Roy return. It seems nearly all of the new posters are Chrom guys.

However, perhaps its people posting what they see as "likely" as opposed to what they actually want.

Come on Chrono; you know there's a few of us die hard Roy supporters kicking about this board. Problem is there's just a few of us die hard Roy supporters kicking about this board.

(Did you see qdMbp's suggestion in Roy's thread for basic playstyles of the possible four swordsmen of FE, by the way?)

What's the subject of the moment anyway now? Starfox?

 

[ChronoBound]

Wolf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Andross or Krystal

All Wolf really needs is his own specials and Final Smash, and then he is a completely unique fighter. I think also at least one of Falco or Wolf needs to be a starter this time.

Its strange how I am anticipating veteran confirmations more than newcomer confirmations.

Olimar and Luigi were personally big deals for me. Although Luigi was virtually guaranteed to return, it was still nice to see this obvious character confirmed before the game's release.

I am personally hoping for Captain Falcon, Ness, and Marth to be starters this time.

I think any Pokemon or FE character confirmation on the Dojo, even "obvious" characters like Jigglypuff and Marth, is going to cause massive meltdowns and flame wars.

It will be interesting though for October. We get either Sonic or a Pokemon veteran (which can possibly include Mewtwo). If Mewtwo is confirmed in October, it will be interesting to see what Sakurai considers him as.

 

[Bowserlick]

What matters is who Wolf is and not what he does. Besides I like Wolf's move set, it's awesome!

I don't mind similar design and specials in certain circumstances. Luigi as a goofy Mario and Falco as a hyper-aggressive Fox make sense. Teammates with different takes on moves. Ike and Marth are also a nice juxtaposition. One uses a sword for elegant combos and the other for insane finishers.

When there are three variations of one model, that is too much in my eyes. Then the series looks stale. If there is a third FE rep and if Starfox does indeed have three reps again, I think one of the characters has to be much different than the other two.

 

[Sharkarat]

Is there a roster icon of Tiki and if so can you give it to me, and the updated on of Olimar and Luigi to pl0x. And tell me how to add them to the roster maker, as currently I'm not in lazy mode. :L

to add them put them in roster makers "images" folder, and use the "add new character icons" option.

 

[AEMehr]

You do realize Bowser is just a change in stats.

lolwut stat changes
A lot his attacks appear to have been completely remade.

Can someone answer my question? I wanna know who makes those character trophy art.

http://ikusaba.client.jp/character/index.htm
A lot of pictures by that artist can be located here.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Hey, y'all! What's the topic right now?

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Hey, y'all! What's the topic right now?

The topic's about which StarFox characters should be in the game. :/

 

[shinhed-echi]

You do realize Bowser is just a change in stats. And what does Namco working on the game have to do with semi-clones??? What does ANY of this have to do with semi-clones? Also I can see Ganondorf being luigified, but I think he's better with his moves now and will probably stay that way.

Are you purposedly dodging the fact that Bowser is getting new MOVES, a new STANCE, and a newfound SPEED?

The point is, if they're REWORKING CHARACTERS, 1+1, they are probably reworking clones as well.
And NAMCO (Soul Calibur, Tekken, and DBZ/Naruto Fighters) working on this game means THEY are handling the character balance, and most likely, the character movesets as well.
It was impossible before because Sakurai handled the balance of the game, but if HE wishes so, he would tell Namco to do away with the clones, and off they go. More people working on the game = better results.
And Namco has YEARS if not DECADES of experience with fighting games.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Who's the person who made these?

http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=182307

 

[Glaciacott]

I don't mind similar design and specials in certain circumstances. Luigi as a goofy Mario and Falco as a hyper-aggressive Fox make sense. Teammates with different takes on moves. Ike and Marth are also a nice juxtaposition. One uses a sword for elegant combos and the other for insane finishers.

When there are three variations of one model, that is too much in my eyes. Then the series looks stale. If there is a third FE rep and if Starfox does indeed have three reps again, I think one of the characters has to be much different than the other two.

With that in mind though, there's more similarity between Falco and Fox than between Fox and Wolf.

Both Fox and Falco rely purely on speed to set up combos and control the game. Wolf lacks this almost completely, and his gameplay is more wild in the sense that it's high risk, high reward, and often not so much about comboing than about wall of pains, spacing and timing fast, powerful smashes when the enemy is open.

I think for Wolf they really just need to take away the landmaster. As for Falco, they should give him more aerial movement than the other two and remove his power, so then we'd have a Star Fox character with better recovery options but less powerful Smash attacks. That would further complete his Luigification in my opinion.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I am curious if there is anyone in this thread that personally wants to see Roy return. It seems nearly all of the new posters are Chrom guys.

Eh, at this point Fire Emblem is kind of a loss cause at this point. I mean, I'm one of those people that wants the series to have a more broad sense of diversity, because Fire Emblem does have some colorful options to go around. Well, diversity in general, but Fire Emblem is kind of like Pokemon where it does have a broad sense of potential, but unlike Pokemon it's never tapped.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Are you purposedly dodging the fact that Bowser is getting new MOVES, a new STANCE, and a newfound SPEED?

The point is, if they're REWORKING CHARACTERS, 1+1, they are probably reworking clones as well.
And NAMCO (Soul Calibur, Tekken, and DBZ/Naruto Fighters) working on this game means THEY are handling the character balance, and most likely, the character movesets as well.
It was impossible before because Sakurai handled the balance of the game, but if HE wishes so, he would tell Namco to do away with the clones, and off they go. More people working on the game = better results.
And Namco has YEARS if not DECADES of experience with fighting games.

Bowser being re-worked makes sense because he's a slow fighter and he still has all of his specials. Tons of characters have had their basic smash attacks re worked in Melee & Brawl. And regardless semi-clones have always happened. And are you seriously trying to imply Luigi & Falco won't be semi-clones? I understand if you don't like semi-clones, but they are nowhere near deconfirmed. I wouldn't be surprised if we only have 1 new one, but you seem really sure of this.

Sakurai didn't make semi-clones because he's inexperienced, he even said he wanted Toon Link to be a clone/semi-clone.

Can someone answer my question? I wanna know who makes those character trophy art.

I'm not sure.

 

[AEMehr]

Bowser being re-worked makes sense because he's a slow fighter and he still has all of his specials.

Special moves don't make the character.

Tons of characters have had their basic smash attacks re worked in Melee & Brawl.

Not as drastic as with Bowser, especially since he's a unique character in comparison to the other characters that have received changes in movement and attacks (Clones becoming Semi-Clones).

 

[Silverjay323]

Eh, at this point Fire Emblem is kind of a loss cause at this point. I mean, I'm one of those people that wants the series to have a more broad sense of diversity, because Fire Emblem does have some colorful options to go around. Well, diversity in general, but Fire Emblem is kind of like Pokemon where it does have a broad sense of potential, but unlike Pokemon it's never tapped.

Fire Emblem may get 3 reps time around, but the Marth/Ike/Roy combination everyone suggests isn't exactly diverse, and brings no newcomers to the franchise, another reason I'm a Chrom supporter. Marth/Lyn/Chrom is my hope. 3 Swordmen (woman?) of varying speeds, strength and tactics.