Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheBakonBitz]

I don't think lucario's being cut.

Agreed, I think Sakurai can predict the future, Jiggly got Fairy type, and both Lucario and Mewtwo got mega evolutions. That's no coincidence.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Every time I hear the same excuse for Tom Nook I die a little inside...

 

[mimgrim]

Personally, I'm a man who can understand cuts where necessary - my roster cuts Jiggles, Toon Link, Wolf/Falco (I'm indifferent but one of the two) and Snake - but Lucas? Really? I find that having two Earthbound protagonists helps explain the series a bit better, and is representative of its nature of having an ever-changing cast. Plus, considering how much of a soft spot Sakurai showed for Mother 3 in Brawl (it got a boss, a stage, a new character, bumped Ness back to unlockable and had a whole load of MyMusic spots) it just seems weird to think the guy would prioritise Ness over Lucas. Earthbound sits nicely at two spots - three spots is too many for such a small series and one spot betrays the nature of the series and its cast.

Honestly I feel like even 2 don't correctly explain the series all the much anyway. I know Sakurai has a soft spot for Mother but I think one rep from Mother is fine and I feel like Ness will stay over Lucas because of his international releases. I dunno I just have that feeling EB/Mother will be going down to one rep and that rep will be Ness because he seems to be the one getting all the love currently in the series of EB/Mother. But eh I guess I could replace ROB with Lucas as I still have that gut feeling ROB is gonna gop for some reaosn.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

I don't think lucario's being cut.

How true. If there are going to be cuts, Lucario isn't likely to leave.

 

[josh bones]

Too much Kirby, too much Zelda as well as characters that don't need to be represented for Zelda (just remove them both and add Toon Link.) Tom Nook is pointless, you should pick one DK newcomer, Black Mage ain't happening. Replace some of these with Takamaru & Starfy (as you don't have a retro rep anyway) and I would probably drop Kamek as she's not very unique and I don't think Yoshi needs to represent anybody, but himself. Even if we did get a Final Fantasy rep it'd make more sense to have Cloud

Kamek is a GUY.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I do, I do! Tis also a smaller roster from the norm, as in all honesty I am not expecting more then 42-43 characters (not including transformations).

People gonna hate the cuts and size of the roster. Haters gonna hate. Where the frickity frack is the rainbow parrot blob gif thing when you need it. Q_Q

Even without the cuts, I'd be incredibly disappointed if this was the final roster. No offense, but it'd be a really crappy Smash Brothers installment.

I DO think that there will be cuts, and toon link will be the first to go. unfortunately.
not only was the black mage the first, but also the best one I thought of. I originally only had two 3rd party reps, but I needed to squeeze another in for the contest.
animal crossing does deserve two reps. and there's more than enough material for a semi clone or even an original character. there's lot's of items left out that can be linked to tom nook, like letters, bells, houses and a lot of people say furniture.
alright you got me, I didn't have a retro rep. so what? is it THAT important? it's probably someone no-one is expecting, and it could even be lil mac if sakuri thinks that he's retro enough.

Being a clone is not going to be the reason a character gets cut, and I'm so tired people just don't understand how pointless having Tom Nook is. Almost every reason I give is completely ignored. Villager made it, Tom Nook didn't. People need to accept that. It's not about how many characters there are, it's that Sakurai chose the Avatar of the game, which I EXTREMELY doubt he would have done if he wanted an actual character from Animal Crossing and Villager's move set being cloned is just as pointless as Mr. Game & Watch being cloned by another Game & Watch character. If Tom Nook was going to be in I assure you we wouldn't have Villager.

Kamek is a GUY.

I already know that, I just call him girl by accident just like I call Saki & Takamaru.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I do, I do! Tis also a smaller roster from the norm, as in all honesty I am not expecting more then 42-43 characters (not including transformations).

People gonna hate the cuts and size of the roster. Haters gonna hate. Where the frickity frack is the rainbow parrot blob gif thing when you need it. Q_Q

Respect points are given where respect points are earned.

Lip and Mach Rider brought freshness to your roster.
Loved how you grouped up Captain Falcon with Samus, Ridley and Mach Rider. All of them could easily be part of the same universe. (Mach Rider is supposedly a sort of vigilante from the future. A ruined future of Earth.)


Bold points awarded for removing Falco and Toon Link (instead of just replacing him), and putting Dixie over K.Rool


What can I say, unique rosters stand out from the usual ones, which is why I'm replying to this one.


Question: Am I the only one who thinks Miis aren't THAT likely? For starters, Miis vary in Size and Build. I think Sakurai will have a major struggle coming up with a moveset for them UNLESS, only personalized Mii FACES are included in pre-set Mii bodies.
Also, something about Villager tells me that customization for characters will be limited to moves only.

But eh, that's just a feeling I can't shake. :D

Good roster there. Sad for not seeing Isaac, but I guess it's a price to pay for uniqueness.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Question: Am I the only one who thinks Miis aren't THAT likely? For starters, Miis vary in Size and Build. I think Sakurai will have a major struggle coming up with a moveset for them UNLESS, only personalized Mii FACES are included in pre-set Mii bodies.

That's what happens in basically every game Miis are in and if you want a move set: Wii Sports, Wii Party, StreetPass DONE!

 

[mimgrim]

Even without the cuts, I'd be incredibly disappointed if this was the final roster. No offense, but it'd be a really crappy Smash Brothers installment.

Sucks to be you then.

But really if people are expecting a 50 slot roster prepare to be disspointed as 45 is probably gonna be the max, though I think 42-43 is more likely.

Besides the only character it is actually missing the people think to have a solid chance to get in is Isaac and I just don't see him happening.

I'm kinda actually hoping for a not to big roster so Sakurai can focus more on gamplay then characters as the gameplay is the most important thing.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

But eh I guess I could replace ROB with Lucas as I still have that gut feeling ROB is gonna gop for some reaosn.

Don't touch my boy R.O.B., he's staying right right where he is.

 

[mimgrim]

Respect points are given where respect points are earned.

Lip and Mach Rider brought freshness to your roster.
Loved how you grouped up Captain Falcon with Samus, Ridley and Mach Rider. All of them could easily be part of the same universe. (Mach Rider is supposedly a sort of vigilante from the future. A ruined future of Earth.)


Bold points awarded for removing Falco and Toon Link (instead of just replacing him), and putting Dixie over K.Rool


What can I say, unique rosters stand out from the usual ones, which is why I'm replying to this one.


Question: Am I the only one who thinks Miis aren't THAT likely? For starters, Miis vary in Size and Build. I think Sakurai will have a major struggle coming up with a moveset for them UNLESS, only personalized Mii FACES are included in pre-set Mii bodies.
Also, something about Villager tells me that customization for characters will be limited to moves only.

But eh, that's just a feeling I can't shake. :D

Good roster there. Sad for not seeing Isaac, but I guess it's a price to pay for uniqueness.

Oh wow someone actually praising my roster, thats a surprise. o.o

Anyways I think Miis are gonna work by basically being a clone of every character in the game, just with different hit boxes. Like they can get a Mario costume and now they will have Mario's moveset and so forth and so on. It seems like an easy way to implement them.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Sucks to be you then.

But really if people are expecting a 50 slot roster prepare to be disspointed as 45 is probably gonna be the max, though I think 42-43 is more likely.

Besides the only character it is actually missing the people think to have a solid chance to get in is Isaac and I just don't see him happening.

I'm kinda actually hoping for a not to big roster so Sakurai can focus more on gamplay then characters as the gameplay is the most important thing.

No, I'm saying even without the cuts the characters you chose would make for a really crappy roster. Not saying your roster is crappy, but if I turned the game on those were the only newcomers I'd want my money back. (and I still don't think the roster is going to be that small, I'd expect Sakurai to cut like maybe 2 characters if any.)

 

[mimgrim]

No, I'm saying even without the cuts the characters you chose would make for a really crappy roster. Not saying your roster is crappy, but if I turned the game on those were the only newcomers I'd want my money back. (and I still don't think the roster is going to be that small, I'd expect Sakurai to cut like maybe 2 characters if any.)

Doubly sucks to be you then.

 

[kingmario92]

Gooooooooood morning everyone! Time for a roster update!

New Roster Update! Version 5.6!

Total: 50
Veterans: 35
Newcomers: 15
Semi-Clones: 2
Females: 9 (if you count Villager's costumes)

Starter Roster:

Spoiler

Whada ya think?

Overall solid roster

 

[AEMehr]

Every time I hear the same excuse for Tom Nook I die a little inside...

You better keep the knife jabbed in then, because it's a perfectly logical and believable possibility.

(Also on your roster Medusa is still a thing that I think holds your roster back. There are still other semi-clones present in the roster and I don't know how you only counted two with Luigi, potentially Dixie Kong, Jigglypuff, Toon Link, Lucas, Falco, Wolf, potentially Chrom, and Ganondorf all in there too).

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You better keep the knife jabbed in then, because it's a perfectly logical and believable possibility.

I think it's about as believable as taking the Wolf from "Egg" and making him a clone of Mr. Game & Watch.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Good afternoon everyone, how's everyone doing today? I must say, thank you for the positive feedback regarding my latest roster. So, what's our current topic?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Good afternoon everyone, how's everyone doing today? I must say, thank you for the positive feedback regarding my latest roster. So, what's our current topic?

Anything, but Tom Nook PLEASE!!!!!

 

[shinhed-echi]

It can be posted 3000 times, I still think a 3rd KI rep is unlikely. Even for clone standards, which I'm sure Sakurai of all people knows it's preposterous.

I can see clones for a lot of characters, but NOT from K.I.

What's more, Brawl had barely any new clones, even Luigified ones.
Ganondorf and Toon Link are the only blatant clones.
Lucas was a Semiclone... and that's it. Wolf works NOTHING like Fox, while Lucas feels like a Ness with a re-arranged moveset.

Which is why I think SSB4 will have ONE clone. . And that's most likely going to be Kid Link #3.
Two at most, if Ganon keeps playing C.F.


One would assume that if the new SSB game is not going to focus on new characters, the logical thing would be to assure that the Newcomers are all at least unique.

 

[Gune]

Good afternoon everyone, how's everyone doing today? I must say, thank you for the positive feedback regarding my latest roster. So, what's our current topic?

Lots and LOTS of Tom Nook.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Anything, but Tom Nook PLEASE!!!!!

What's that about Tom Nook?

Lots and LOTS of Tom Nook.

Your avatar looks like it's got something to hide.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

It can be posted 3000 times, I still think a 3rd KI rep is unlikely. Even for clone standards, which I'm sure Sakurai of all people knows it's preposterous.

I can see clones for a lot of characters, but NOT from K.I.

What's more, Brawl had barely any new clones, even Luigified ones.
Ganondord and Toon Link are the only blatant clones.
Lucas was a Semiclone... and that's it. Wolf works NOTHING like Fox, while Lucas feels like a Ness with a re-arranged moveset.

Which is why I think SSB4 will have ONE clone. . And that's most likely going to be Kid Link #3.
Two at most, if Ganon keeps playing C.F.


One would assume that if the new SSB game is not going to focus on new characters, the logical thing would be to assure that the Newcomers are all at least unique.

The patterns of Smash games say otherwise, and I don't have an clones. I have Semi-clones. And Sakurai is known for adding semi-clones at the last minute so Medusa wouldn't surprise me entirely.

Which is why I think SSB4 will have ONE clone. . And that's most likely going to be Kid Link #3.

No new semi-clones and a kid link that isn't Toon Link? What are you smoking and where can I get some? I know people don't like semi-clones, but let's be realistic here.

 

[Deleted member]

Anything, but Tom Nook PLEASE!!!!!

 

[TheBakonBitz]

You better keep the knife jabbed in then, because it's a perfectly logical and believable possibility.

(Also on your roster Medusa is still a thing that I think holds your roster back. There are still other semi-clones present in the roster and I don't know how you only counted two with Luigi, potentially Dixie Kong, Jigglypuff, Toon Link, Lucas, Falco, Wolf, potentially Chrom, and Ganondorf all in there too).

How the heck are Jigglypuff, Wolf, and Chrom clones.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

My prediction roster as of now. I think it might be a little big, but whatever.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You better keep the knife jabbed in then, because it's a perfectly logical and believable possibility.

(Also on your roster Medusa is still a thing that I think holds your roster back. There are still other semi-clones present in the roster and I don't know how you only counted two with Luigi, potentially Dixie Kong, Jigglypuff, Toon Link, Lucas, Falco, Wolf, potentially Chrom, and Ganondorf all in there too).

I'm counting the NEW semi-clones (Medusa & Dixie), and I disagree that Medusa holds my roster back, last minute semi-clones have happened in Melee & Brawl and she basically completes the KI roster, she may not seem likely as a top priority character, but she is still a believable and logical possibility. Besides I like my roster to be unique and not generic like almost every roster posted on SmashBoards.

Also Chrom can have Wind Edge, Javelin, and his signature Screw/Spin Attack.

*Stares into eyes*
*Head Explodes*

 

[AEMehr]

I think it's about as believable as taking the Wolf from "Egg" and making him a clone of Mr. Game & Watch.

Why? There is a portion from Animal Crossing that doesn't seem to have been explored yet with the Villager. Tom Nook makes enough sense to be the second character for the franchise if they did get a second rep (But I still personally don't see it all too likely).

How the heck are Jigglypuff, Wolf, and Chrom clones.

Semi-Clones. Jigglypuff and Kirby have several similarities, same with Wolf and Fox too. Not enough to be bluntly called clones obviously, they're more "Luigi-fied", so they can be classified as Semi-Clones.

I also said potentially Chrom, but I'm fully aware he could be his own unique character. Doesn't mean he will be one if he does get in though.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Why? There is a portion from Animal Crossing that doesn't seem to have been explored yet with the Villager. Tom Nook makes enough sense to be the second character for the franchise if they did get a second rep (But I still personally don't see it all too likely).
Semi-Clones. Jigglypuff and Kirby have several similarities, same with Wolf and Fox too. Not enough to be bluntly called clones obviously, they're more "Luigi-fied", so they can be classified as Semi-Clones.

I also said potentially Chrom, but I'm fully aware he could be his own unique character. Doesn't mean he will be one if he does get in though.

JigglyPuff is a pink puff and has multiple jumps so she's a semi-clone of Kirby. I guess Lucario is semi-clone of Mewtwo because he's humanoid and has Aura Sphere.

 

[shinhed-echi]

The patterns of Smash games say otherwise, and I don't have an clones. I have Semi-clones. And Sakurai is known for adding semi-clones at the last minute so Medusa wouldn't surprise me entirely.


No new semi-clones and a kid link that isn't Toon Link? What are you smoking and where can I get some? I know people don't like semi-clones, but let's be realistic here.

Oh so you're speaking of patterns?

SSB CLONES: (1)
*Luigi, almost a perfect clone of Mario
SSB SEMICLONES: (1)
*Jigglypuff, a semi clone of Kirby

SSBM CLONES: (6)
*Falco: A Fox clone. Same moves, but work differently.
*Pichu: A Pikachu clone. Same moves, work differently, and hurts self with electric attacks.
*Ganondorf: An exact slower Falcon clone. Moves work almost exactly the same, except stronger.
*Young Link: A weaker Link, with better mobility, and a tweaked neutral special
*Roy: An exact Marth clone, except with Fire effects to his sword. Moves work a bit differently (as sweetspot is different)
*Dr. Mario: An exact Mario clone, except a bit heavier and stronger. Some attacks were tweaked, but are basically the same.
SSBM SEMI-CLONES: (1)
*Luigi: "Luigified", not a clone anymore, as he has a different special, and over all some different attacks.

SSBB CLONES: (2)
*Ganondorf: Still mostly a Captain Falcon clone, as he has the same moves, but with different properties.
*Toon Link: Still mostly a Link clone. Same moves, different properties.
SSBB SEMICLONES: (3)
*Lucas: A re-arranged Ness clone. Works almost nothing like Ness
*Falco: At this point, Falco works fairly different from fox in moves and half his specials.
*Luigi: Very far from a clone this time.

So:
C: 1>6>2
SC: 1>1>3

Overall the ammount of CLONES have been reduced, or improved to Semi-clone status.
So if anything, the semi-clones we'll get, will be ones that trascended from Brawl.
Clones will almost be none existant this time around.
And already existing Semi-Clones might be different enough to become their own character by now.
Sakurai would be stupid to purposely add more clones for the heck of it. Especially since he isn't even looking to boost character-count.


So what I'm trying to get at is... Either the new Semiclones are Clones of the past, or Semiclones that decided to stay that way.


And by KID LINK I mean either Young or Toon Link, you know because I can't see the future like apparently SOME of us do, so I'm not sure who Sakurai is sticking with (my money's on Young Link due to ALBW).

 

[AEMehr]

I'm counting the NEW semi-clones (Medusa & Dixie), and I disagree that Medusa holds my roster back, last minute semi-clones have happened in Melee & Brawl and she basically completes the KI roster, she may not seem likely as a top priority character, but she is still a believable and logical possibility. Besides I like my roster to be unique and not generic like almost every roster posted on SmashBoards.

But there is no necessity for their to even have two, let alone three Kid Icarus characters.
Why not give that spot to Tom Nook? He easily fits the same role but adds another character to a more popular franchise.

JigglyPuff is a pink puff and has multiple jumps so she's a semi-clone of Kirby.

Several of her moves are similar if not slower variations of Kirby's moves. It's not an assumption, it's a clear and obvious observation. It's bluntly obvious in Smash 64.

I guess Lucario is semi-clone of Mewtwo because he's humanoid and has Aura Sphere.

One move =/= several attacks.

 

[mimgrim]

Is there a roster icon of Tiki and if so can you give it to me, and the updated on of Olimar and Luigi to pl0x. And tell me how to add them to the roster maker, as currently I'm not in lazy mode. :L

 

[TheLastJinjo]

View attachment 2124

My prediction roster as of now. I think it might be a little big, but whatever.

Hey, that's a great roster! I'm a supporter of Sheriff myself. And to think this is your first day on SmasBoards, Welcome, and well done!

Several of her moves are similar if not slower variations of Kirby's moves. It's not an assumption, it's a clear and obvious observation. It's bluntly obvious in Smash 64.

One move =/= several attacks.

If I recall correctly they have 2 similar attacks, same as Lucario does with Mewtwo.

Overall the ammount of CLONES have been reduced, or improved to Semi-clone status.
So if anything, the semi-clones we'll get, will be ones that trascended from Brawl.
Clones will almost be none existant this time around.
And already existing Semi-Clones might be different enough to become their own character by now.
Sakurai would be stupid to purposely add more clones for the heck of it. Especially since he isn't even looking to boost character-count.

Whatever you call it you can expect half/semi/whatever clones to be in SSB4. Sakurai doesn't NORMALLY add characters just to have whatever clones, but he does add them. It's naive to be so sure there will be literally none this time around. ESPECIALLY if there are some time constraints, which he assured us might be a possibility.

 

[ChronoBound]

I am curious if there is anyone in this thread that personally wants to see Roy return. It seems nearly all of the new posters are Chrom guys.

However, perhaps its people posting what they see as "likely" as opposed to what they actually want.

 

[AEMehr]

If I recall correctly they have 2 similar attacks, same as Lucario does with Mewtwo.

Have you ever looked at the two doing the same attacks before?
They're very similar. Jigglypuff was put into the original Smash BECAUSE they could build her off of Kirby.

She is pretty much ideally a semi-clone of Kirby, one of the better ones though.
(regardless you should get rid of medusa for something more interesting)

 

[Gune]

Your avatar looks like it's got something to hide.

Maybe he does...its his stash of cookies.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I am curious if there is anyone in this thread that personally wants to see Roy return. It seems nearly all of the new posters are Chrom guys.

However, perhaps its people posting what they see as "likely" as opposed to what they actually want.

That's basically the jest of it.

 

[Curious Villager]

Chrom is a cool guy and I'd be happy to see him. Roy is cool too I guess. But I'd personally want Anna and/or Lyn more than either of them. But that's just my opinion I guess. :T

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Have you ever looked at the two doing the same attacks before?
They're very similar. Jigglypuff was put into the original Smash BECAUSE they could build her off of Kirby.


She is pretty much ideally a semi-clone of Kirby, one of the better ones though.

FYI Jigglypuff was a pretty popular Pokemon back then in both game & Anime. And I have looked at them doing the same attacks (in fact I'm playing as Jiggz right now) they are just as similar to Kirby as Lucario is to Mewtwo.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Hey, that's a great roster! I'm a supporter of Sheriff myself. And to think this is your first day on SmasBoards, Welcome, and well done!



If I recall correctly they have 2 similar attacks, same as Lucario does with Mewtwo.



Whatever you call it you can expect half/semi/whatever clones to be in SSB4. Sakurai doesn't NORMALLY add characters just to have whatever clones, but he does add them. It's naive to be so sure there will be literally none this time around. ESPECIALLY if there are some time constraints, which he assured us might be a possibility.

Hey, thanks!

 

[ChronoBound]

That's basically the jest of it.

I think Roy has perhaps the most underrated chances for Smash 4 of any character, especially outside of SmashBoards. I mean what other character can claim to be both planned for Brawl and highly requested aside from Mewtwo and to a lesser extent Dixie Kong?