Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[KingofPhantoms]

Also guys, I would not be suprised at all if we got another Pikmin character. Besides, the series seems to have an antagonist now, Louie. That *****.

Thanks for not putting that under a spoiler tag...

 

[shinhed-echi]

NEW ROSTER:
And I went a little bold here too.

The likely problems:

Tactician but no Chrom!
>Sakurai is trying to come up with more creative movesets, yet people still want another swordsman (with blue hair) for Fire Emblem... I get Chrom is really popular, but we already have Marth for the quick and elegant, and Ike for the brute and slow sword styles. Chrom would fit into either one of this, making either of the veterans redundant.
And that's where Tactician comes in. Tactician is to Fire Emblem what the Pokemon Trainer is to Pokemon. He plays just as much of an important role (Especially in Awakening) as Chrom himself, if not more from what I hear. And commanding units could be his thing here. Think of it like super brief Assist Trophies, all from Fire Emblem!
(Not that anyone should've taken the blue haired swordsman bit seriously... but there's Takamaru!)

Goose!!! Who? Pilotwings you say!? Just because of a stage? Faith in humanity = LOST! A stage =/= character!
>No, no, no people... You've got things backwards here. A stage makes it MORE LIKELY to have a character.
Let's look at Brawl for a bit. The only Non-character stages (that don't represent SSB) are three.
-Hanenbow (which is from a game which lacks a character anyway)
-Pictochat (which is a chat tool for the DS, also without a character anyway)
-Smashville (which didn't have a character back then because Sakurai thought Villager was too peaceful, yet look at SSB4)
The only valid comparison ATM is Nintendogs (and even then Sakurai wouldn't make a generic dog, playable)
Besides... Pilotwings has 3 games, and some people around here believe that Kid Icarus, with its same ammount of games, warrants 3 playable characters.
And finally, if we bring up the sales card, Pilotwings for the SNES sold over 2 million units in less than a year (or half a year). For every 4 N64s, 1 Pilotwings 64 game was sold. And Pilotwings Resort became the 6th best selling game on the 3DS in a WEEK.

Starfy AND Saki!? PREPOSTEROUS! They should be at each others' throats!
>Not really... but I've seen several people saying they should cut one for the other... And I don't think it has to be that way.
Starfy is apparently very popular. And while Saki isn't AS popular, popularity is what got him into Brawl as an AT, so I wouldn't undermine his chances all that much. It's not like they're both swordsmen fighting for the same role in SSB4, nor both cutesy characters with similar moves. They are extremely different in every single way, so they shouldn't even be competing.

Snake? Snake!? SNAAAAAAAKE!!!
>... There will be cuts. And honestly, with the new MGS games going everywhere but Nintendo, I don't think he'll come back.
Would be GREAT if he does! But I doubt it.




And that's that: I'm aware it won't be everybody's cup of tea. And people want more representatives from already represented IPs.
But some things I've considered in the making of this roster:

Sakurai wants new IPs, from the looks of it.
Sakurai wants FRESH new and CREATIVE movesets.


Well? What do you guys think? n_n;

 

[DarrylTrainer]

My first reaction WTF!, then ask myself:

Why a Disney Character that has never appear in a Nintendo game is now in Smash?
After thinking really hard and get not conclusion, waits for Sakurai and his answer for the inclusion of such character. Then proceed to hear the news that a pyromaniac put on fire the Nintendo Headquarters and Sakurai´s house. Yep, that explains all.

.n_n.

Wrong! He was in Epic Mickey 2 for Wii U

EDIT: Whoops... You said game, not system...

 

[Glaciacott]

NEW ROSTER:
Colorful stuff

Aside from a couple of overshoots (Isaac, Saki and Starfy all in sounds super unlikely to me, as well as the pilotwings guy), I think it's a pretty awesome roster.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

NEW ROSTER:
And I went a little bold here too.

The likely problems:

Tactician but no Chrom!
>Sakurai is trying to come up with more creative movesets, yet people still want another swordsman (with blue hair) for Fire Emblem... I get Chrom is really popular, but we already have Marth for the quick and elegant, and Ike for the brute and slow sword styles. Chrom would fit into either one of this, making either of the veterans redundant.
And that's where Tactician comes in. Tactician is to Fire Emblem what the Pokemon Trainer is to Pokemon. He plays just as much of an important role (Especially in Awakening) as Chrom himself, if not more from what I hear. And commanding units could be his thing here. Think of it like super brief Assist Trophies, all from Fire Emblem!
(Not that anyone should've taken the blue haired swordsman bit seriously... but there's Takamaru!)

Goose!!! Who? Pilotwings you say!? Just because of a stage? Faith in humanity = LOST! A stage =/= character!
>No, no, no people... You've got things backwards here. A stage makes it MORE LIKELY to have a character.
Let's look at Brawl for a bit. The only Non-character stages (that don't represent SSB) are three.
-Hanenbow (which is from a game which lacks a character anyway)
-Pictochat (which is a chat tool for the DS, also without a character anyway)
-Smashville (which didn't have a character back then because Sakurai thought Villager was too peaceful, yet look at SSB4)
The only valid comparison ATM is Nintendogs (and even then Sakurai wouldn't make a generic dog, playable)
Besides... Pilotwings has 3 games, and some people around here believe that Kid Icarus, with its same ammount of games, warrants 3 playable characters.
And finally, if we bring up the sales card, Pilotwings for the SNES sold over 2 million units in less than a year (or half a year). For every 4 N64s, 1 Pilotwings 64 game was sold. And Pilotwings Resort became the 6th best selling game on the 3DS in a WEEK.

Starfy AND Saki!? PREPOSTEROUS! They should be at each others' throats!
>Not really... but I've seen several people saying they should cut one for the other... And I don't think it has to be that way.
Starfy is apparently very popular. And while Saki isn't AS popular, popularity is what got him into Brawl as an AT, so I wouldn't undermine his chances all that much. It's not like they're both swordsmen fighting for the same role in SSB4, nor both cutesy characters with similar moves. They are extremely different in every single way, so they shouldn't even be competing.

Snake? Snake!? SNAAAAAAAKE!!!
>... There will be cuts. And honestly, with the new MGS games going everywhere but Nintendo, I don't think he'll come back.
Would be GREAT if he does! But I doubt it.




And that's that: I'm aware it won't be everybody's cup of tea. And people want more representatives from already represented IPs.
But some things I've considered in the making of this roster:

Sakurai wants new IPs, from the looks of it.
Sakurai wants FRESH new and CREATIVE movesets.


Well? What do you guys think? n_n;

My only problem here is Goose and Young Link.

I really don't think theres enough want for the original Young Link to return.

 

[TheCreator]

NEW ROSTER:
And I went a little bold here too.

The likely problems:

Tactician but no Chrom!
>Sakurai is trying to come up with more creative movesets, yet people still want another swordsman (with blue hair) for Fire Emblem... I get Chrom is really popular, but we already have Marth for the quick and elegant, and Ike for the brute and slow sword styles. Chrom would fit into either one of this, making either of the veterans redundant.
And that's where Tactician comes in. Tactician is to Fire Emblem what the Pokemon Trainer is to Pokemon. He plays just as much of an important role (Especially in Awakening) as Chrom himself, if not more from what I hear. And commanding units could be his thing here. Think of it like super brief Assist Trophies, all from Fire Emblem!
(Not that anyone should've taken the blue haired swordsman bit seriously... but there's Takamaru!)

Goose!!! Who? Pilotwings you say!? Just because of a stage? Faith in humanity = LOST! A stage =/= character!
>No, no, no people... You've got things backwards here. A stage makes it MORE LIKELY to have a character.
Let's look at Brawl for a bit. The only Non-character stages (that don't represent SSB) are three.
-Hanenbow (which is from a game which lacks a character anyway)
-Pictochat (which is a chat tool for the DS, also without a character anyway)
-Smashville (which didn't have a character back then because Sakurai thought Villager was too peaceful, yet look at SSB4)
The only valid comparison ATM is Nintendogs (and even then Sakurai wouldn't make a generic dog, playable)
Besides... Pilotwings has 3 games, and some people around here believe that Kid Icarus, with its same ammount of games, warrants 3 playable characters.
And finally, if we bring up the sales card, Pilotwings for the SNES sold over 2 million units in less than a year (or half a year). For every 4 N64s, 1 Pilotwings 64 game was sold. And Pilotwings Resort became the 6th best selling game on the 3DS in a WEEK.

Starfy AND Saki!? PREPOSTEROUS! They should be at each others' throats!
>Not really... but I've seen several people saying they should cut one for the other... And I don't think it has to be that way.
Starfy is apparently very popular. And while Saki isn't AS popular, popularity is what got him into Brawl as an AT, so I wouldn't undermine his chances all that much. It's not like they're both swordsmen fighting for the same role in SSB4, nor both cutesy characters with similar moves. They are extremely different in every single way, so they shouldn't even be competing.

Snake? Snake!? SNAAAAAAAKE!!!
>... There will be cuts. And honestly, with the new MGS games going everywhere but Nintendo, I don't think he'll come back.
Would be GREAT if he does! But I doubt it.




And that's that: I'm aware it won't be everybody's cup of tea. And people want more representatives from already represented IPs.
But some things I've considered in the making of this roster:

Sakurai wants new IPs, from the looks of it.
Sakurai wants FRESH new and CREATIVE movesets.


Well? What do you guys think? n_n;

Dig the roster.

With mario though, I think the spot goes to someone else besides Toad. As i've said, he's pretty much a filler character for the mario universe, and if he was supposed to be more than that he would have.

Like what you did with LoZ a lot, would add Tingle though. Edit: if young Link returns, it won't be for want.

I don't think tactition really warrants a spot. He was in one game, and regardless of him being your character, he wasn't the star of said game. (I know there was an avatar character in a FE game before, but that is not this character. And even if it was, that'd make 2.) Maybe Chrom? Or Roy?

You made some pretty good choices with the obvious ones, and not cutting Lucario or Ike.

I'd consider adding Snake back and cutting Saki, as well as cutting Starfy and Goose and adding another Pikmin character.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Thanks for not putting that under a spoiler tag...

Guess what.

Spoiler

Seriously though,

Spoiler

I haven't heard anything about Louie being shadowy in Pikmin 3 like he was in Pikmin 2, despite spoiling myself on the endings. Maybe I'm missing something.

NEW ROSTER:
And I went a little bold here too.

Spoiler

The likely problems:

Tactician but no Chrom!
>Sakurai is trying to come up with more creative movesets, yet people still want another swordsman (with blue hair) for Fire Emblem... I get Chrom is really popular, but we already have Marth for the quick and elegant, and Ike for the brute and slow sword styles. Chrom would fit into either one of this, making either of the veterans redundant.
And that's where Tactician comes in. Tactician is to Fire Emblem what the Pokemon Trainer is to Pokemon. He plays just as much of an important role (Especially in Awakening) as Chrom himself, if not more from what I hear. And commanding units could be his thing here. Think of it like super brief Assist Trophies, all from Fire Emblem!
(Not that anyone should've taken the blue haired swordsman bit seriously... but there's Takamaru!)

Goose!!! Who? Pilotwings you say!? Just because of a stage? Faith in humanity = LOST! A stage =/= character!
>No, no, no people... You've got things backwards here. A stage makes it MORE LIKELY to have a character.
Let's look at Brawl for a bit. The only Non-character stages (that don't represent SSB) are three.
-Hanenbow (which is from a game which lacks a character anyway)
-Pictochat (which is a chat tool for the DS, also without a character anyway)
-Smashville (which didn't have a character back then because Sakurai thought Villager was too peaceful, yet look at SSB4)
The only valid comparison ATM is Nintendogs (and even then Sakurai wouldn't make a generic dog, playable)
Besides... Pilotwings has 3 games, and some people around here believe that Kid Icarus, with its same ammount of games, warrants 3 playable characters.
And finally, if we bring up the sales card, Pilotwings for the SNES sold over 2 million units in less than a year (or half a year). For every 4 N64s, 1 Pilotwings 64 game was sold. And Pilotwings Resort became the 6th best selling game on the 3DS in a WEEK.

Starfy AND Saki!? PREPOSTEROUS! They should be at each others' throats!
>Not really... but I've seen several people saying they should cut one for the other... And I don't think it has to be that way.
Starfy is apparently very popular. And while Saki isn't AS popular, popularity is what got him into Brawl as an AT, so I wouldn't undermine his chances all that much. It's not like they're both swordsmen fighting for the same role in SSB4, nor both cutesy characters with similar moves. They are extremely different in every single way, so they shouldn't even be competing.

Snake? Snake!? SNAAAAAAAKE!!!
>... There will be cuts. And honestly, with the new MGS games going everywhere but Nintendo, I don't think he'll come back.
Would be GREAT if he does! But I doubt it.




And that's that: I'm aware it won't be everybody's cup of tea. And people want more representatives from already represented IPs.
But some things I've considered in the making of this roster:

Sakurai wants new IPs, from the looks of it.
Sakurai wants FRESH new and CREATIVE movesets.

Well? What do you guys think? n_n;

I like most of it.

No Mike Jones, which is surprising coming from you. I don't think he's likely, but I'd like to see him anyway.

Is ALBW Young Link considered the same character as OOT Young Link from Melee, or a separate character, like Toon Link?

Not sure about Goose

Bring back Snake, and possibly cut Pac-Man for him.

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[TheCreator]

I was thinking, if Isaac does make it in, he'd probably look like he did in Dark Dawn. Which is awesome.

 

[PK-Omelette]

NEW ROSTER:
And I went a little bold here too.

The likely problems:

Tactician but no Chrom!
>Sakurai is trying to come up with more creative movesets, yet people still want another swordsman (with blue hair) for Fire Emblem... I get Chrom is really popular, but we already have Marth for the quick and elegant, and Ike for the brute and slow sword styles. Chrom would fit into either one of this, making either of the veterans redundant.
And that's where Tactician comes in. Tactician is to Fire Emblem what the Pokemon Trainer is to Pokemon. He plays just as much of an important role (Especially in Awakening) as Chrom himself, if not more from what I hear. And commanding units could be his thing here. Think of it like super brief Assist Trophies, all from Fire Emblem!
(Not that anyone should've taken the blue haired swordsman bit seriously... but there's Takamaru!)

Goose!!! Who? Pilotwings you say!? Just because of a stage? Faith in humanity = LOST! A stage =/= character!
>No, no, no people... You've got things backwards here. A stage makes it MORE LIKELY to have a character.
Let's look at Brawl for a bit. The only Non-character stages (that don't represent SSB) are three.
-Hanenbow (which is from a game which lacks a character anyway)
-Pictochat (which is a chat tool for the DS, also without a character anyway)
-Smashville (which didn't have a character back then because Sakurai thought Villager was too peaceful, yet look at SSB4)
The only valid comparison ATM is Nintendogs (and even then Sakurai wouldn't make a generic dog, playable)
Besides... Pilotwings has 3 games, and some people around here believe that Kid Icarus, with its same ammount of games, warrants 3 playable characters.
And finally, if we bring up the sales card, Pilotwings for the SNES sold over 2 million units in less than a year (or half a year). For every 4 N64s, 1 Pilotwings 64 game was sold. And Pilotwings Resort became the 6th best selling game on the 3DS in a WEEK.

Starfy AND Saki!? PREPOSTEROUS! They should be at each others' throats!
>Not really... but I've seen several people saying they should cut one for the other... And I don't think it has to be that way.
Starfy is apparently very popular. And while Saki isn't AS popular, popularity is what got him into Brawl as an AT, so I wouldn't undermine his chances all that much. It's not like they're both swordsmen fighting for the same role in SSB4, nor both cutesy characters with similar moves. They are extremely different in every single way, so they shouldn't even be competing.

Snake? Snake!? SNAAAAAAAKE!!!
>... There will be cuts. And honestly, with the new MGS games going everywhere but Nintendo, I don't think he'll come back.
Would be GREAT if he does! But I doubt it.




And that's that: I'm aware it won't be everybody's cup of tea. And people want more representatives from already represented IPs.
But some things I've considered in the making of this roster:

Sakurai wants new IPs, from the looks of it.
Sakurai wants FRESH new and CREATIVE movesets.


Well? What do you guys think? n_n;

Tactician
Tactician is an issue for more than just what's listed. He/she is customizable appearance wise, meaning 3 different builds 15 different faces, 15 different hair styles and 3 different voice actors-EACH, plus 20 different hair colors for both
(default for both genders [yes, I know this is fanart, but it's pretty darn accurate so what the hey])

Why then favor the default male from the demo? Default name is also "Robin", so wouldn't "Robin" instead of "Tactician" be the right word then for the name then? The naming similar to LoZ, where his name can be anything you want but story and game developers auto "Link" to be his name.
You speculate correctly, but the game only takes really a day or so to complete (not counting side questing or support conversations, obviously). I'm surprised you haven't watched a playthrough yet.
Robin's final smash could be summoning the fell dragon Grima to attack all players for just one example, so I do agree Robin holds ground as a unique potential fighter. If the earlier listed problems could be solved then I'd be all for Robin in Smash :D

Pilotwings
Stage without character rep, definitely. It makes about as much sense to me to adding one of their characters as a fighter as if Project Aces tries to make Alvin Davenport from AC5 into a fighter rep.
Known for planes, stay as planes.

Starfy
Really an if-or. There's no solid proof he'll be in, but at the same time there's no solid proof he won't. It all depends on what the game makers have in mind.

Snake
It's undoubtable that most fans either want Snake to stay or wouldn't be the first choice at being cut given the chance. He gives the players who fight on global brawls something to do, but brings humor along with it. His presence also served useful in informing people unfamiliar with certain characters their background stories, such as about Lucas and his horrible childhood or Pikachu (gotta catch 'em all Snake )
I hope they indeed keep Snake simply on the grounds of convenience, popularity, Brawl veteran, humor and being informative.


Overall it's a nice roster. Could use a tweak here or there, but still very good.

 

[YoshiandToad]

NEW ROSTER:
And I went a little bold here too.

To be honest it's quite good. I'm actually pleased to see some rosters have a bit more variation with a few random characters that most the board doesn't agree with like Goose, Tactician or Classic Link. Makes looking at rosters a lot more interesting rather than having the same basic roster repeated with the odd change here and there(Zoroark/Genesect instead of Lucario, Roy/Chrom/Lucina/Lyn as third FE rep, Toad/Bowser Jr/Waluigi/Paper Mario and that tends to be the only real difference. Occasionally Dixie shows up too.).

Thank you for injecting a little oddballness to the otherwise copy/paste rosters.

Edit: Yes; I'm aware that the point of these to guess what the line up will be, but it doesn't make for very interesting conversation, debate or discussion if we all agree on the vast majority.

Pilotwings; how would you feel if it DID get a rep?

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

How many people here have actually played Uprising? It shocks me how much people here consider Medusa to be important in any way or to complete the "trio." Hades was clearly established as more of a villain, and he actually had a character.

Seriously, It's like saying Aghanim is the main villain of Zelda and not Ganon.

I did but it was in Japanese so it I had some trouble getting through it. Sadly, I never finished it. I do agree though that Hades has a larger presence than Medusa. However, Medusa does have props for being in the series for quite some time...much longer than Hades.

 

[TumblrFamous]

So, hows everyone doing today? We got news on the Gerudo Valley stage.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Why is there a fire in Gerudo Valley?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Why is there a fire in Gerudo Valley?

Because there's fire in Gerudo Valley.

People in the Social thread were saying it could be a stage hazard, maybe one caused by Twinrova.

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[Diddy Kong]

I blame those damn carpenters.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

I'm down with a nasty cold. I've had a harsh cough for 3 weeks now. I finally got to the doctor and took a sick day.

I was thinking: suppose we get a character reveal every month from now until December 2014 (assuming it may come out then). That gives us 16 reveals total.

Of the Brawl starters, we have Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Diddy, Metaknight, Dedede, Pokemon Trainer, Ike, Zero Suit Samus, ice Climbers, Zelda, Shiek, Lucas, and Wario. That's 14 total for just veterans (btw, I personally think Luigi will be a starter. however, if he is unlockable, I think he will be the only unlockable character (minus 3rd parties) that are revealed pre-release ). Meanwhile, we have the Villager, Mega Man, and Wii Fit Trainer announced with an unknown amount of newcomers, I suspect them to number 12-14 counting the released 3.

Looking at that, there are three options available:

1) multiple character reveals per month. So far, we have had a veteran announced per month. However, both were under certain circumstances. However, most have been revealed on or around the 11th which happened to be the E3 reveal back in June.

2) one character per month including newcomers. Therefore, the entire franchise is not revealed until after release.

3) alternatively, one veteran may be released yet multiple newcomers, thus revealing all starting newcomers but not veterans.

I see the first most likely but the 2nd would be an interesting change of pace. Thoughts?

 

[TumblrFamous]

I'm down with a nasty cold. I've had a harsh cough for 3 weeks now. I finally got to the doctor and took a sick day.

I was thinking: suppose we get a character reveal every month from now until December 2014 (assuming it may come out then). That gives us 16 reveals total.

Of the Brawl starters, we have Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Diddy, Metaknight, Dedede, Pokemon Trainer, Ike, Zero Suit Samus, ice Climbers, Zelda, Shiek, Lucas, and Wario. That's 14 total for just veterans (btw, I personally think Luigi will be a starter. however, if he is unlockable, I think he will be the only unlockable character (minus 3rd parties) that are revealed pre-release ). Meanwhile, we have the Villager, Mega Man, and Wii Fit Trainer announced with an unknown amount of newcomers, I suspect them to number 12-14 counting the released 3.

Looking at that, there are three options available:

1) multiple character reveals per month. So far, we have had a veteran announced per month. However, both were under certain circumstances. However, most have been revealed on or around the 11th which happened to be the E3 reveal back in June.

2) one character per month including newcomers. Therefore, the entire franchise is not revealed until after release.

3) alternatively, one veteran may be released yet multiple newcomers, thus revealing all starting newcomers but not veterans.

I see the first most likely but the 2nd would be an interesting change of pace. Thoughts?

I also find 1 most likely. However, I still think we will primarily have 1 character reveal per month, with maybe 2 reveals every now and then for a month. I mean, we don't even know how many starter newcomers there will be. I too believe that the game will be released sometime by November/December. So I think that occasionally number 1 will happen, with two reveals every month or so.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Oh, a couple of replies. :O I'll try to address what I can, more in a sense of what I was thinking rather than actually defending it to death.

First of all, I'm really glad people overall liked it. I've been wanting to see a fresh new roster so I gave things a harder thought from last time before making it.

Anyway, on Toad: If Mario = the popularity face of SSB, I think it goes without saying that Toad is by far the next most deserving character to be in. He IS half the cast of a super successful line of Mario games. And he keeps appearing as playable for two more Wii U games (not counting the sports and Mario Karts). If anything, Toad has done more for the Wii / Wii U era of Mario games than ever before. This is why I chose Toad. If there HAD to be a Mario character, I think it would be the last member of the key Mario cast, rather than Bowser Jr. who'd fit as another villain, or Paper Mario.
But this obviously changes from person to person, some people believe Bowser Jr or Paper Mario are more valuable, and that's ok, I respect that too!

No Mike Jones:
>Well, I'm trying to predict the roster, not making the one of my dreams. :,( I know of his chances, not exactly super high (but maybe not the lost cause I make it out to be, who knows? There should probably be a StarTropics revival going on ATM, but if there isn't there one NOW, there sadly won't be one ever)


Tactician:
>His customizeability isn't the real issue IMO. It wasn't for Villager either, but I agree he could be Robin, of all tacticians. I have sadly not played FE:A yet, but I am playing another one where I take the role of another tactician, and that's when it struck me what was missing in the franchise representation in SSB. Not another sword-fighter, but a Tactician!
He would have a unique gimmick, wether it was a weapons triangle, or unit commanding, or mid-battle class changing... it sounds more like what I picture Sakurai looking for in terms of diversity.
BUT, I'd say his bigger competitor is actually Roy, and to an extent Chrom too, but I know neither of them would bring anything unique to the roster, other than just being a veteran fighter or an update of the main FE lord.
(I'm not THAT familiarized with the whole of Fire Emblem, so take this from a more casual observer/player)


Pilotwings pilot:
>I don't know.. I still haven't seen a proper reason why he wouldn't make it in. Not saying he's a shoe-in, but he has pretty much everything going for him, that other characters with 3 games under their belts also have.
Besides, Pilotwings is not JUST about planes, this might be scratching the surface, but these are the activities I know of in Pilotwings:
-Plane piloting.
-Parachuting
-Rocket Belt
-Gliding
-Apache Helicopter
-Penguin Diving (projectile, anyone?)
-Bird Wings
-Cannon shooting (shooting one self of a cannon)
And this is just of what I've casually played, I'm sure there's more to Pilotwings than this, and DEFINITELY more than planes.

As for how do I feel about a PW rep?
To be honest, he's not atop of my priority WISHlist, but I'd welcome him for being a unique addition. I would guess he wouldn't be a damage powerhouse, but instead, a character who lives long, with all sorts of recovery moves at his disposal. He would be more about gimping than raw power or projectile spam.
The only thing that IMO stands in the way of a Pilotwings Pilot character is the fact that only Pilotwings 64 had actual CHARACTERS. And the stage represented belongs to the SNES one.


And well, that's it! Thanks for all the feedback, if I ever make another one, I'll take them to account. (Some of them at least, lol) :D


P.S.
Oh, and on Young Link. Just take it as an update of the current form of Kid Link's design, and nothing else.

 

[Anzu-chan]

Here is my prediction. I'm very unsure about my roster :D​

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[MattX20]

Here is my prediction. I'm very unsure about my roster :D​

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With the slight exception of Lyn, this is probably the most plausible roster prediction I've seen thus far.

 

[mimgrim]

A smaller roster of mine.

I know plenty people aren't gonna be pleased with it and are gonna complain about it being only like 43 characters. But in all honesty I feel like the roster is only gonna be 42-43 characters anyway.

 

[AEMehr]

While reading the past 29384092840923 or so pages I noticed a discussion relating to Toad, right?

Toad is the most logical next character to be added into the Mario franchise. I can see the positives towards both Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario, but Toad is the last one of the big 8 to not be playable yet. Adding him would be completing the cast of the original Super Mario Brothers.

I also agree that the RPG Mario games should be represented in some way, but I only see them getting in by trophies (which they already have), stages, and even potentially assist trophies (assuming they will be returning, as we still have no confirmation of this right now).

Toad by far is the obvious choice, and a very popular one in Japan at that (from what I seemingly read in Chronobound's post relating to what people in Japan want).

A smaller roster of mine.

I know plenty people aren't gonna be pleased with it and are gonna complain about it being only like 43 characters. But in all honesty I feel like the roster is only gonna be 42-43 characters anyway.

I honestly think we'd see Isaac, Shulk, or maybe even Starfy before Ray. I'd suggest changing him for one of those three (Isaac or Shulk imo).

 

[Thirdkoopa]

NEW ROSTER:
And I went a little bold here too.

The likely problems:

Tactician but no Chrom!
>Sakurai is trying to come up with more creative movesets, yet people still want another swordsman (with blue hair) for Fire Emblem... I get Chrom is really popular, but we already have Marth for the quick and elegant, and Ike for the brute and slow sword styles. Chrom would fit into either one of this, making either of the veterans redundant.
And that's where Tactician comes in. Tactician is to Fire Emblem what the Pokemon Trainer is to Pokemon. He plays just as much of an important role (Especially in Awakening) as Chrom himself, if not more from what I hear. And commanding units could be his thing here. Think of it like super brief Assist Trophies, all from Fire Emblem!
(Not that anyone should've taken the blue haired swordsman bit seriously... but there's Takamaru!)

Goose!!! Who? Pilotwings you say!? Just because of a stage? Faith in humanity = LOST! A stage =/= character!
>No, no, no people... You've got things backwards here. A stage makes it MORE LIKELY to have a character.
Let's look at Brawl for a bit. The only Non-character stages (that don't represent SSB) are three.
-Hanenbow (which is from a game which lacks a character anyway)
-Pictochat (which is a chat tool for the DS, also without a character anyway)
-Smashville (which didn't have a character back then because Sakurai thought Villager was too peaceful, yet look at SSB4)
The only valid comparison ATM is Nintendogs (and even then Sakurai wouldn't make a generic dog, playable)
Besides... Pilotwings has 3 games, and some people around here believe that Kid Icarus, with its same ammount of games, warrants 3 playable characters.
And finally, if we bring up the sales card, Pilotwings for the SNES sold over 2 million units in less than a year (or half a year). For every 4 N64s, 1 Pilotwings 64 game was sold. And Pilotwings Resort became the 6th best selling game on the 3DS in a WEEK.

Starfy AND Saki!? PREPOSTEROUS! They should be at each others' throats!
>Not really... but I've seen several people saying they should cut one for the other... And I don't think it has to be that way.
Starfy is apparently very popular. And while Saki isn't AS popular, popularity is what got him into Brawl as an AT, so I wouldn't undermine his chances all that much. It's not like they're both swordsmen fighting for the same role in SSB4, nor both cutesy characters with similar moves. They are extremely different in every single way, so they shouldn't even be competing.

Snake? Snake!? SNAAAAAAAKE!!!
>... There will be cuts. And honestly, with the new MGS games going everywhere but Nintendo, I don't think he'll come back.
Would be GREAT if he does! But I doubt it.




And that's that: I'm aware it won't be everybody's cup of tea. And people want more representatives from already represented IPs.
But some things I've considered in the making of this roster:

Sakurai wants new IPs, from the looks of it.
Sakurai wants FRESH new and CREATIVE movesets.


Well? What do you guys think? n_n;

Honestly, replace Starfy with Snake and you get a 10/10 roster. My favorite one on here and I'd totally dig it.

 

[mimgrim]

I honestly think we'd see Isaac, Shulk, or maybe even Starfy before Ray. I'd suggest changing him for one of those three (Isaac or Shulk imo).

Eh I dunno why I put Ray in there, it was just something random I did for some reason. I shoulda went with Takumaru instead. lol

 

[SuperBrawler]

Can't find a good 3D image of Shulk

 

[Thirdkoopa]

does this work

Can't find a good 3D image of Shulk

 

[SuperBrawler]

does this work

Wow I didn't even think of that. thanks!

 

[CalumG]

45 characters, 4 removals (Toon Link, Wolf, Snake, Jigglypuff), 13 Newcomers and 1 Returning cut veteran (Mewtwo).

I'll be more than happy to explain any character choices I've made if any of you folks request it.

 

[Opossum]

Here is my prediction. I'm very unsure about my roster :D​

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Not sure why you'd be too unsure...this roster's pretty damn good!

The only thing I'd suggest is replacing Lyn with either Roy or Chrom, and maaaaaaybe Isaac over Shulk. Other than that, I'd love this roster. 9.8/10

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Not sure why you'd be too unsure...this roster's pretty damn good!

The only thing I'd suggest is replacing Lyn with either Roy or Chrom, and maaaaaaybe Isaac over Shulk. Other than that, I'd love this roster. 9.8/10

I can't even see a plausible reason for Shulk over Isaac, really.

 

[Anzu-chan]

Not sure why you'd be too unsure...this roster's pretty damn good!

The only thing I'd suggest is replacing Lyn with either Roy or Chrom, and maaaaaaybe Isaac over Shulk. Other than that, I'd love this roster. 9.8/10

Thank you :D

 

[Cobalsh]

My text roster:
Mario(confirmed)
Luigi(confirmed)
Peach(as good as confirmed)
Bowser(confirmed)
Toad(extremely likely)
Wario(as good as confirmed)
Yoshi(as good as confirmed)
DK(confirmed)
Diddy Kong(as good as confirmed)
King K. Rool(extremely likely)
Link(confirmed)
Zelda/Sheik(as good as confirmed/debatable, but most likely returning)
Ganondorf(personally: a shoe-in. Still, not exactly as good as confirmed)
Young Link(partially likely, here to represent A Link Between Worlds)
Samus/ZSS(Confirmed/as good as confirmed, as seen with Samus' final smash)
Ridley(extremely likely)
Pit(confirmed)
Palutena(has appeared in all three KI games, and is extremely likely)
Villager(confirmed)
Wii Fit Trainer(Confirmed)
Little Mac(extremely likely)
Takamaru(has gained a boost in popularity since Nintendo Land and extremely likely)
Olimar(confirmed)
Ice Climbers(extremely likely to return on Wii U, on 3DS debatable)
R.O.B.(A marginal chance of leaving, but I think he's gonna stay)
Mr.Game and Watch(extremely likely to return)
Kirby(confirmed)
Meta Knight(as good as confirmed, just needs to be balanced better)
King Dedede(as good as confirmed)
Starfy(Popular in Japan and rising to fame, one of the more likely ATs becoming a playable character.(poor Europe))
Fox(confirmed)
Falco(probably returning, but I wouldn't mind if he left for someone else)
Wolf(probably returning, but a smidgen of likeliness that he's leaving)
Captain Falcon(definitley not returning.)
Pikachu(confirmed)
Mewtwo(pretty much confirmed he's returning, with all the Mewtwo love going around)
Lucario(probably returning, with a Mega-Evolution FS)
Jigglypuff(as food as confirmed)
Pokémon Trainer(I personally don't like the gimmick, but he's probably returning)
Blaziken(personal want, but meh)
Marth(as good as confirmed)
Tactian(would be really cool to see, but not a shoe-in)
Ness(as good as confirmed)
Lucas(probably, but don't give your hopes up)
Shulk(a good rep for Monolith Studios and a cool character overall)
Mega Man(confirmed)
Sonic(pretty much confirmed, because of all the Nintendo x Sega stuff going on recently)
Pac-Man(He's Namco's mascot, for God's sake!)

That's it. Rate and review.

 

[Starcutter]

I can't even see a plausible reason for Shulk over Isaac, really.

X is really likely to be an Xeno____ game. so that's the only reason why.

rather have issac.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

X is really likely to be an Xeno____ game. so that's the only reason why.

rather have issac.

And that's still an if, and even if it is, it's less related than Xenoblade in looks so far (Or any of the Xeno games) than SPM is to Paper Mario.

Isaac's had three games, Shulk's had one. Isaac has popularity in the west and europe (As much as people don't believe), Shulk doesn't. Isaac's series has a chance at continuing on, Shulk doesn't. Both have at least the same moveset potential. Etc. It goes on, really.

I've been seriously stringing around this for months.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Here is my prediction. I'm very unsure about my roster :D

I like this Roster, sure Lyn isn't the most likely, but she's up there, I'll gladly except her.
The only thing is I would change is a little opinionated, replacing Shulk with Isaac. If Isaac was there, I would consider this roster great, imo.

 

[GmanSir]

I think Shulk has a strong chance. He's from Monolith Soft, and they helped Brawl, along with New Leaf and Skyward Sword. Xenoblade did hot by critics and fans. Sakurai has said that he wished Nintendo made new IPs when developing Melee or Brawl, forgot which. Xenoblade is a big Wii title, so he does have a big chance. It all goes down to Sakurai.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I think Shulk has a strong chance. He's from Monolith Soft, and they helped Brawl, along with New Leaf and Skyward Sword. Xenoblade did hot by critics and fans. Sakurai has said that he wished Nintendo made new IPs when developing Melee or Brawl, forgot which. Xenoblade is a big Wii title, so he does have a big chance. It all goes down to Sakurai.

that still doesn't add to any advantages of him to shulk

also the producers just happened to miss a ton and slept because gamecube era had a ****TON of ip's

 

[GmanSir]

that still doesn't add to any advantages of him to shulk

also the producers just happened to miss a ton and slept because gamecube era had a ****TON of ip's

I think being a new IP does give him an edge. Also being a big Wii title I think gives him an advantage. It's funny, I come from several sites and forums, and this is the one who thinks Shulk has a very small chance.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I think being a new IP does give him an edge. Also being a big Wii title I think gives him an advantage. It's funny, I come from several sites and forums, and this is the one who thinks Shulk has a very small chance.

...yeah can you try a bit harder? most of that seems to be "he's new, guys" which while being a thing, eh...

And there's also people who thought Chrom was a shoe-in. It varies from site to site.

 

[GmanSir]

...yeah can you try a bit harder? most of that seems to be "he's new, guys" which while being a thing, eh...

And there's also people who thought Chrom was a shoe-in. It varies from site to site.

Well, he is high on several polls. Sakurai is usually late when it comes to representation. In Melee, everything was based from n64, in Brawl everything was based from the GameCube. And we are already seeing that Smash 4 will be mostly based on Wii titles. Guess what was a big Wii title?