Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

Who thinks Takamaru's flame sword is going to be a great addition to Smash, especially if Roy doesn't make it?

 

[kingmario92]

Alright, alright. I think we should talk about this guy

 

[3Bismyname]

You have yet to even read my full analysis on my calculative equation concerning priority. Had you read it through and through, you would be in better position to criticize my arguments, instead of just posting funny pictures.

the main problem with your equation is that it's impossible to quantify subjective themes like "moveset potential" and "Deservingness." these things don't have a calculate-able basis and thereby makes you "equation" meaningless.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Don't take it the wrong way - I was agreeing with you, bro. Brawl had some 'obscure' Assist Trophies, and I fully expect the same in Smash 4. Only major change I'd make to your Assist roster is the addition of Farore to balance out Din and Nayru.

It was a throwback to OOA/OOS Farore isn't in that.

 

[zauberdragon]

You have yet to even read my full analysis on my calculative equation concerning priority. Had you read it through and through, you would be in better position to criticize my arguments, instead of just posting funny pictures.

Unless Sakurai uses your maths then your argument is entirely irrelevant. End of story.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Alright, alright. I think we should talk about this guy
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Wood wather talk about Wixie Kong.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Alright, alright. I think we should talk about this guy
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too fat, i dont like him

put in better characters pls

 

[N3ON]

Silly Aerodrome, thinking we'd actually be talking about something constructive and gameplay-related in the SSB4 character section.

Never overestimate us.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Who thinks Takamaru's flame sword is going to be a great addition to Smash, especially if Roy doesn't make it?

Then I'd say get out of here with Roy, and get in here Takamaru! An eastern-cultured samurai swordsman is awesome enough, but an eastern-cultured samurai swordsman with a FLAMING SWORD is DOUBLE THE AWESOME!!!

 

[FlareHabanero]

Alright, alright. I think we should talk about this guy
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He's got a cape, and it's red and flowing.

EDNA MODE DOES NOT APPROVE! NO CAPES!

 

[Opossum]

You do realize there are SEVERAL vague and unknown ATs in Brawl, RIGHT? And how can you have too many, this isn't even half the amount in Brawl!!!
You don't know who Plum, Byrne, and Masked Man are??? I'm not surprised you never research ANYTHING!!!!

I'll admit, I didn't know who Byrne was. But I looked him up.

 

[CalumG]

It was a throwback to OOA/OOS Farore isn't in that.

Actually, Farore is technically in both games, as the character that helps you link the two games together to get the final Ganon fight at the end of the game(s). The more you know

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Actually, Farore is technically in both games, as the character that helps you link the two games together to get the final Ganon fight at the end of the game(s). The more you know

I'll admit, I didn't know who Byrne was. But I looked him up.

Spirit Tracks was great, brings back great memories

 

[kingmario92]

Let's about this. Who do you want more: Roy or Chrom?

 

[Opossum]

Let's about this. Who do you want more: Roy or Chrom?

Personally, I'd like either one, but I do say that I like Chrom a bit more.

 

[CalumG]

Let's about this. Who do you want more: Roy or Chrom?

Robin.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Let's about this. Who do you want more: Roy or Chrom?

Chrom, I would rather have someone new to play as.

 

[3Bismyname]

Let's about this. Who do you want more: Roy or Chrom?

chrom. but only cause i never cared to much about Roy anyway.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

the main problem with your equation is that it's impossible to quantify subjective themes like "moveset potential" and "Deservingness." these things don't have calculate-able basis and thereby makes you "equation" meaningless.

Technically speaking, it's sort of based on William Dembski's intelligent design calculations, in that I'm trying to calculate the probability of certain valuables, and finding out what those particular values are, whether quantitative or qualitative, and if they have a certain meaning of reasonability. Basically, I'm calculating values such as "Deservingness" and "moveset potential" as mere statistical probabilities within a mathematical equation, in that these values are so specifically designed, that they must be logically accurate answers to a proposed equation. For example, if the value of A + B + C = D, then the values must equal each other. Therefore PRIORITY must be an answer equal to that of its additions, namely the factors I mentioned before. This may seem confusing, I know, and maybe I'm not even saying this clearly, but there are smarter people that can say what i'm trying to say, but better. I don't know, I guess I'm not clearly stating my equation properly, so that's why it may sound confusing. Hopefully, the equations can make sense of Sakurai's prioritization.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Alright, alright. I think we should talk about this guy
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he should be in the game, doesn't have much holding him back, and he's probably my only chance at getting to play as k. rool not in a baseball game, etc

 

[CalumG]

Spirit Tracks was great, brings back great memories

If this song doesn't get in, I'm gonna be hella mad:

 

[zauberdragon]

I'm going to say Chrom for the selfish reasons of, if I want to play Roy I've still got Melee and I really enjoyed Awakening but as I've said before the amount we've spoken about Fire Emblem I don't care enough anymore.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Let's about this. Who do you want more: Roy or Chrom?

I'd rather have Rot return to the Smashverse, personally. I don't care much about Chrom or Fire Emblem anyways, so I'd just rather bring the originals back.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Let's about this. Who do you want more: Roy or Chrom?

Roy.

 

[Silverjay323]

Chrom. Roy's chances of returning aren't too great tbh.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Chrom. Roy's chances of returning aren't too great tbh.

I would say they're better than Chrom's, actually. Chrom's fanbase is small in comparison to his hatebase, whereas Roy is more universally popular with everyone.

 

[CalumG]

I would say they're better than Chrom's, actually. Chrom's fanbase is small in comparison to his hatebase, whereas Roy is more universally popular with everyone.

Citations of Chroms hatebase compared to Roy's fanbase plz

And no their hair colour does not count fyi

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Chrom. He got popular on his own.

You're lying if you'd care about Roy if he wasn't in Melee. Melee is Roy's sole legacy in the West and we all know it.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Citations of Chroms hatebase compared to Roy's fanbase plz

And no their hair colour does not count fyi

I don't need a citation, because we all know Chrom is extremely controversial as a character choice, whereas Roy is not so much. Go look over the Smashboards if you can. I am not wrong in this - Roy would be a more universally respected choice that would cause the least amount of controversy, especially in comparison to Chrom.

 

[Opossum]

I would say they're better than Chrom's, actually. Chrom's fanbase is small in comparison to his hatebase, whereas Roy is more universally popular with everyone.

Source for that first claim? And to add, Roy isn't universally popular. A fair bit of people are against his return. Keep in mind, in a perfect world, we'd get Marth, Ike, Roy and Chrom, and I'd be happy with any of the previously mentioned characters, but to say they're the opposite in terms of support is pretty false.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Chrom. He got popular on his own.

You're lying if you'd care about Roy if he wasn't in Melee. Melee is Roy's sole legacy in the West and we all know it.

You're right, I wouldn't care about Roy at all because I don't care about his series. What I DO care about, though, is Smash veterans, because they are the characters I recognize in the games. Roy returning would not only be awesome, but universally awesome with everybody, in comparison to Chrom, who has HUGE detractors and would be very angry if he got it. Sakurai would want to appease everybody, so naturally they'd have to go with Roy.

 

[Silverjay323]

I'm basing this more on what I've seen from Fire Emblem in Smash. Recency and relevance both are in his favor, whereas popularity may not be( I'm not aware how large Chrom's support is) That and we already have an awaking stage on the 3ds version which may improve his chances.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Chrom easily has a unique move set:

Neutral Special: Wind Edge. (Similar to Marth's Standard in Melee, but shoots a magic wave.)
Forward Special: javelin/Lance
Downward Special: Counter
Upward Special: Spin Attack (seen in the cutscenes.)

Also I belive his sword has magic abilities like Roy's has fire.

 

[3Bismyname]

Technically speaking, it's sort of based on William Dembski's intelligent design calculations, in that I'm trying to calculate the probability of certain valuables, and finding out what those particular values are, whether quantitative or qualitative, and if they have a certain meaning of reasonability. Basically, I'm calculating values such as "Deservingness" and "moveset potential" as mere statistical probabilities within a mathematical equation, in that these values are so specifically designed, that they must be logically accurate answers to a proposed equation. For example, if the value of A + B + C = D, then the values must equal each other. Therefore PRIORITY must be an answer equal to that of its additions, namely the factors I mentioned before. This may seem confusing, I know, and maybe I'm not even saying this clearly, but there are smarter people that can say what i'm trying to say, but better. I don't know, I guess I'm not clearly stating my equation properly, so that's why it may sound confusing. Hopefully, the equations can make sense of Sakurai's prioritization.

it's not confusing. it just doesnt work. Dembski's Intelligent Design doesn't involve hard mathematics. its more about theology as opposed to real science/math. equations only work if they have something measurable to work with. you can't put statistical probabilities on these concepts as they are SUBJECTIVE, and mean literally nothing in terms of mathematics. these are immeasurable concepts. that's what makes your equation none withstanding.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

I'm basing this more on what I've seen from Fire Emblem in Smash recency and relevance both are in his favor, whereas popularity may not be( I'm not aware how large Chrom's support is) That and we already have an awaking stage on the 3ds version which may improve his chances.

By that logic, Nintendogs should also be playable. Besides, I heard Marth, Roy, and Ike are playable in the recent game, so it could easily be their stage and not Chrom's. You never know.

 

[CalumG]

If I wanted to play Melee, I'd play Melee.

That is to say, I do not want Roy and I know I am not alone. I don't know about some of you but I want SSB4 so I can play a new game. Bringing back Roy would be the very definition of bringing back veterans for the sake of veterans, especially when we could get someone brand-new in his place.

 

[Opossum]

You're right, I wouldn't care about Roy at all because I don't care about his series. What I DO care about, though, is Smash veterans, because they are the characters I recognize in the games. Roy returning would not only be awesome, but universally awesome with everybody, in comparison to Chrom, who has HUGE detractors and would be very angry if he got it. Sakurai would want to appease everybody, so naturally they'd have to go with Roy.

There are people against Roy, as well, as I've said. Once again, source that shows Chrom's detractors compared to Roy supporters?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You're right, I wouldn't care about Roy at all because I don't care about his series. What I DO care about, though, is Smash veterans, because they are the characters I recognize in the games. Roy returning would not only be awesome, but universally awesome with everybody, in comparison to Chrom, who has HUGE detractors and would be very angry if he got it. Sakurai would want to appease everybody, so naturally they'd have to go with Roy.

In order to appease everybody Ike has to stay. I thought you were for recency and against what OTHER people like.

The most logical choice is having Chrom and making Roy DLC, Sakurai wants to make the fullest experience possible.

If this song doesn't get in, I'm gonna be hella mad:

Ah, jeeze! The Nostalgia is making me **** my pants! I LOVE THIS SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[3Bismyname]

By that logic, Nintendogs should also be playable. Besides, I heard Marth, Roy, and Ike are playable in the recent game, so it could easily be their stage and not Chrom's. You never know.

they're dlc characters. that means little because pretty much every other major lord is offered as DLC as well.

 

[Silverjay323]

By that logic, Nintendogs should also be playable. Besides, I heard Marth, Roy, and Ike are playable in the recent game, so it could easily be their stage and not Chrom's.

No it doesn't...Fire Emblem is a series that already has reps so new stages are indicators of new characters. Not 100%, but it's far different from assuming that a stage will bring a character from a franchise that currently has no representation.