Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheDivineDeity]

If I wanted to play Melee, I'd play Melee.

That is to say, I do not want Roy and I know I am not alone. I don't know about some of you but I want SSB4 so I can play a new game. Bringing back Roy would be the very definition of bringing back veterans for the sake of veterans, especially when we could get someone brand-new in his place.

Why would I want to play as a newcomer I don't know (Chrom) when I could settle for a popular return (Roy)? The ire Emblem series, unlike Donkey Kong and Metroid, doesn't need to warrant always having new characters. They're fine if they just keep Marth, Ike, and Roy, because if they bring some nobody like Chrom (who is ALREADY a clone/semi-clone of Marth), then that means either Ike or Roy have to get booted, and why would I want that. Hell, why would the Smashverse want that?

 

[CalumG]

Why would I want to play as a newcomer I don't know (Chrom) when I could settle for a popular return (Roy)? The ire Emblem series, unlike Donkey Kong and Metroid, doesn't need to warrant always having new characters. They're fine if they just keep Marth, Ike, and Roy, because if they bring some nobody like Chrom (who is ALREADY a clone/semi-clone of Marth), then that means either Ike or Roy have to get booted, and why would I want that. Hell, why would the Smashverse want that?

Roy has already been 'booted' - therefore your statement is irrelevant.

 

[IsmaR]

The only reason anyone should care for Roy at all is if they played his game. Melee is not his game.

 

[zauberdragon]

If I wanted to play Melee, I'd play Melee.

That is to say, I do not want Roy and I know I am not alone. I don't know about some of you but I want SSB4 so I can play a new game. Bringing back Roy would be the very definition of bringing back veterans for the sake of veterans, especially when we could get someone brand-new in his place.

I couldn't agree more. It's all very sad when a veteran is removed but once Brawl came and has nearly been I don't want Roy back and would rather the series moved on and included new characters. I don't think Roy's popularity is as homogeneous as divine makes out. Though I agree it's not as controversial as Chrom's looking at this thread at times.

 

[Opossum]

Why would I want to play as a newcomer I don't know (Chrom) when I could settle for a popular return (Roy)? The ire Emblem series, unlike Donkey Kong and Metroid, doesn't need to warrant always having new characters. They're fine if they just keep Marth, Ike, and Roy, because if they bring some nobody like Chrom (who is ALREADY a clone/semi-clone of Marth), then that means either Ike or Roy have to get booted, and why would I want that. Hell, why would the Smashverse want that?

The ignorance of this post is, once again, astounding. Chrom is by no means a nobody, considering how many people bought Fire Emblem Awakening. That alone shows that he is notable to the general public, probably more so than Roy or Ike, just on the basis of familiarity.

Second of all, you have no business calling Chrom a clone or semi-clone, considering he isn't even in Smash yet...

 

[TheDivineDeity]

it's not confusing. it just doesnt work. Dembski's Intelligent Design doesn't involve hard mathematics. its more about theology as opposed to real science/math. equations only work if they have something measurable to work with. you can't put statistical probabilities on these concepts as they are SUBJECTIVE, and mean literally nothing in terms of mathematics. these are immeasurable concepts. that's what makes your equation none withstanding.

Technically, then that means all values are subjective, and not objective. I'm only using the values of A+B+C+D=Priority because it is a concept much more easier to understand, using mathology. Besides, the values I am placing are based on FACTORS, not numbers or letters, but FACTORS that make up the equation as to how Sakurai prioritizes everything. If A = This and B = That, then we have ourselves a measurable equation that can help us with understanding prioritization.

 

[Silverjay323]

Why would I want to play as a newcomer I don't know (Chrom) when I could settle for a popular return (Roy)? The ire Emblem series, unlike Donkey Kong and Metroid, doesn't need to warrant always having new characters. They're fine if they just keep Marth, Ike, and Roy, because if they bring some nobody like Chrom (who is ALREADY a clone/semi-clone of Marth), then that means either Ike or Roy have to get booted, and why would I want that. Hell, why would the Smashverse want that?

Isn't the point of Newcomers bringing Nintendo characters you mat mot know to your attention? How can you already confirm Chrom is a semi-clone? Unlike Donkey Kong and Metroid, Fire Emblem is always gaining new characters, which does warrant a new rep if people want to become familiar with the franchise.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Why would I want to play as a newcomer I don't know (Chrom) when I could settle for a popular return (Roy)? The ire Emblem series, unlike Donkey Kong and Metroid, doesn't need to warrant always having new characters. They're fine if they just keep Marth, Ike, and Roy, because if they bring some nobody like Chrom (who is ALREADY a clone/semi-clone of Marth), then that means either Ike or Roy have to get booted, and why would I want that. Hell, why would the Smashverse want that?

Are you ****ting me Deity, did you not see the move set I posted for Chrom? Wind Edge, Spin Attack, and Javelin. Chrom is a nobody to YOU because YOU don't play Nintendo games like the rest of us. Mother is nothing to YOU because you never even researched it, you didn't even know it was called Mother.

Sakurai isn't going to add Roy, because a NON Fire Emblem fan isn't familar with it. It matters what's best for Fire Emblem. Roy is popular because he was in Smash and hardly else. I don't see Roy appearing as anything, but DLC. You shouldn't keep somebody just because they were playable in Smash before. Sakurai needs to expand universes, not limit it because a few people didn't play Awakening and know Roy JUST because he's from Smash.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

The ignorance of this post is, once again, astounding. Chrom is by no means a nobody, considering how many people bought Fire Emblem Awakening. That alone shows that he is notable to the general public, probably more so than Roy or Ike, just on the basis of familiarity.

Second of all, you have no business calling Chrom a clone or semi-clone, considering he isn't even in Smash yet...

Sorry, but on familiarity, I doubt Awakening sales have beaten Brawl or Melee in sales. Ike and Roy are probably more well-known, but only for their Smash appearances.

edit: Also, Saturn, Chrom's sword doesn't exactly have anything special, except for healing, but Roy has that as well.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

The ignorance of this post is, once again, astounding. Chrom is by no means a nobody, considering how many people bought Fire Emblem Awakening. That alone shows that he is notable to the general public, probably more so than Roy or Ike, just on the basis of familiarity.

Second of all, you have no business calling Chrom a clone or semi-clone, considering he isn't even in Smash yet...

Once again, name-calling isn't going to win a debate. I've already stated my reasons as to why Chrom is a clone of Marth - he looks to similar, has a similar build, uses similar swords, and would practically use similar physics in terms of weight, height, and stance. Why play as Chrom when I can play as Marth? It's redundant. Same for Chrom's sister, Lucia.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Why would I want to play as a newcomer I don't know (Chrom) when I could settle for a popular return (Roy)? The ire Emblem series, unlike Donkey Kong and Metroid, doesn't need to warrant always having new characters. They're fine if they just keep Marth, Ike, and Roy, because if they bring some nobody like Chrom (who is ALREADY a clone/semi-clone of Marth), then that means either Ike or Roy have to get booted, and why would I want that. Hell, why would the Smashverse want that?

I already knew you had no idea what you were talking about, but that statement is pretty much the final nail in the coffin. It's clear you have no education about the Fire Emblem franchise, so your strong avocation for a character you know nothing about in a series you don't care for makes you look like an incompetent child.

 

[Opossum]

Sorry, but on familiarity, I doubt Awakening sales have beaten Brawl or Melee in sales. Ike and Roy are probably more well-known, but only for their Smash appearances.

I'm just saying on a Fire Emblem scale. Although, with that, it would beg the question of how familiar Roy would be, though, as the sales don't necessarily mean everyone who bought the game unlocked Roy, as well. Ike was a starter, though, so that at least helps him. Just playing Devil's Advocate.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I'd rather have Rot return to the Smashverse, personally. I don't care much about Chrom or Fire Emblem anyways, so I'd just rather bring the originals back.

Rot! Let the Smashverse ROOOOOOOOOT!!!!!

Chrom easily has a unique move set:

Neutral Special: Wind Edge. (Similar to Marth's Standard in Melee, but shoots a magic wave.)
Forward Special: javelin/Lance
Downward Special: Counter
Upward Special: Spin Attack (seen in the cutscenes.)

Also I belive his sword has magic abilities like Roy's has fire.

Here's a moveset that's even more unique. Not sure if his moves or wind affiliation are actually from Awakening or just made up, so I'd like someone to give me some clarification.
http://ssb4u.wordpress.com/2012/06/15/newcomer-krom/

Chrom. He got popular on his own.

You're lying if you'd care about Roy if he wasn't in Melee. Melee is Roy's sole legacy in the West and we all know it.

I'd like Roy to return, but yeah, if not for Melee, he'd currently have a much of a chance in Smash as characters like Sigurd, Seliph, or Leif.

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[God Robert's Cousin]

Why would I want to play as a newcomer I don't know (Chrom) when I could settle for a popular return (Roy)? The ire Emblem series, unlike Donkey Kong and Metroid, doesn't need to warrant always having new characters. They're fine if they just keep Marth, Ike, and Roy, because if they bring some nobody like Chrom (who is ALREADY a clone/semi-clone of Marth), then that means either Ike or Roy have to get booted, and why would I want that. Hell, why would the Smashverse want that?

Why would I want to play as a newcomer I don't know (Waluigi) when I could settle for a popular return (Dr. Mario)?

Do you see that logic? Just because they are more recognizable to past fans of Smash Bros. doesn't necessarily make them better choices. Roy was a clone of Marth and still shares a lot of moves with him. The same goes for Dr. Mario. I would rather get someone new than get a veteran returning solely for the people who liked him in a Smash Bros. game more than 10 years ago. I would rather get someone currently relevant to the series, Chrom being the most recent Lord who acts as the face of Awakening (the most successful Fire Emblem game to date), than Roy who has only appeared as the main character in a Japan-only Fire Emblem game. Chrom has access to Spears and reclassing, by the way. He wouldn't be a clone of the Lodestar-only Marth.

And I agree with Opposum. I'd like to see this source you have showing Chrom's hatebase vs Roy's fanbase.

 

[zauberdragon]

Once again, name-calling isn't going to win a debate. I've already stated my reasons as to why Chrom is a clone of Marth - he looks to similar, has a similar build, uses similar swords, and would practically use similar physics in terms of weight, height, and stance. Why play as Chrom when I can play as Marth? It's redundant. Same for Chrom's sister, Lucia.

Stance? Weight? Until Chrom is announced and a moveset revelled you have no idea IF Chrom will be a clone.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

I'm just saying on a Fire Emblem scale. Although, with that, it would beg the question of how familiar Roy would be, though, as the sales don't necessarily mean everyone who bought the game unlocked Roy, as well. Ike was a starter, though, so that at least helps him. Just playing Devil's Advocate.

On a Fire Emblem scale, I do agree Chrom is more recognizable, but on the grand scale, I think Roy may be. And you bring up the point of not everyone who owns Melee might of unlocked Roy, but what about people who saw Roy in Melee at a friends house or something?

 

[CalumG]

Why would I want to play as a newcomer I don't know (Chrom) when I could settle for a popular return (Roy)? The ire Emblem series, unlike Donkey Kong and Metroid, doesn't need to warrant always having new characters. They're fine if they just keep Marth, Ike, and Roy, because if they bring some nobody like Chrom (who is ALREADY a clone/semi-clone of Marth), then that means either Ike or Roy have to get booted, and why would I want that. Hell, why would the Smashverse want that?

gg i'm done

Come on guys, own up, who's using DivineDeity as an alternate account? I know nobody could poke fun at Smashboards this precisely without a touch of insider knowledge. Own up friends, we will not judge; we are all one under Shrek's divine image.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Roy.

I read Chrono's essay on him and frankly I'm converted. Also Chrom's fanbase appears to be obnoxious towards Roy at least in his veteran thread, which irritates me something fierce.

I'm sure Chrom's great but if I have to choose a mercenary lord I'll pick Ike, and if I want someone to weild the Falchion I'll pick Marth.

Actually I'd probably pick Chrom over Marth, but apparently he's part of a quota so I guess I'm stuck with Marth.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Once again, name-calling isn't going to win a debate. I've already stated my reasons as to why Chrom is a clone of Marth - he looks to similar, has a similar build, uses similar swords, and would practically use similar physics in terms of weight, height, and stance. Why play as Chrom when I can play as Marth? It's redundant. Same for Chrom's sister, Lucia.

FALSE. First of all, it's Lucina, not Lucia, and Lucina is

Spoiler

Chrom's daughter from the future

 

[TheDivineDeity]

Are you ****ting me Deity, did you not see the move set I posted for Chrom? Wind Edge, Spin Attack, and Javelin. Chrom is a nobody to YOU because YOU don't play Nintendo games like the rest of us. Mother is nothing to YOU because you never even researched it, you didn't even know it was called Mother. I've played Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, a little Metroid and Donkey Kong, and mostly other irrelevant titles. So yeah, I do play Nintendo (although not as much as I play Playstation). I'm moreso a Smash fan than anything else, because it is easier for me to engage in the Nintendo universe through this game, and because its really, really fun.

Sakurai isn't going to add Roy, because a NON Fire Emblem fan isn't familar with it. It matters what's best for Fire Emblem. Roy is popular because he was in Smash and hardly else. I don't see Roy appearing as anything, but DLC. You shouldn't keep somebody just because they were playable in Smash before. Sakurai needs to expand universes, not limit it because a few people didn't play Awakening and know Roy JUST because he's from Smash.
So you're saying we should just scrap Mewtwo from being in the game because he was a veteran once, like you want to scrap Roy for Chrom? Wow, I don't believe... Would you rather have Zoroark replace Mewtwo JUST BECAUSE Mewtwo is once a veteran and because he wasn't in Brawl that means he shouldn't be in Smash? Wow... I don't even.....

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Rot! Let the Smashverse ROOOOOOOOOT!!!!!


Here's a moveset that's even more unique. Not sure if his moves or wind affiliation are actually from Awakening or just made up.
http://ssb4u.wordpress.com/2012/06/15/newcomer-krom/


I'd like Roy to return, but yeah, if not for Melee, he'd currently have a much of a chance in Smash as characters like Sigurd or Leif.

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Ascending Sword is the spin attack I was talking about, I think my move set is way more unique then that. This one is mostly just Chrom swinging his sword. Where as I have the Javelin & Wind Edge.

 

[Opossum]

Once again, name-calling isn't going to win a debate. I've already stated my reasons as to why Chrom is a clone of Marth - he looks to similar, has a similar build, uses similar swords, and would practically use similar physics in terms of weight, height, and stance. Why play as Chrom when I can play as Marth? It's redundant. Same for Chrom's sister, Lucia.

Never did I call you a name that was unwarranted. By your last few posts, it's clear that you are ignorant about the Fire Emblem series.

For one, Lucina is Chrom's daughter, FYI.

Secondly, it makes sense for Chrom to look similar to Marth because he is Marth's descendant. And they have far from the same build. Marth has a more slender frame, while Chrom has some muscle, although not to Ike's extent. Although the Falchion is in fact the same sword, it is reforged, and has notable differences appearance-wise. And that last line is completely subjective. Try again.

 

[josh bones]

deity trolling again? I'm out.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

gg i'm done

Come on guys, own up, who's using DivineDeity as an alternate account? I know nobody could poke fun at Smashboards this precisely without a touch of insider knowledge. Own up friends, we will not judge; we are all one under Shrek's divine image.

Can I say it's me?

Even if it's not true, can we all have fun and pretend it is?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

So you're saying we should just scrap Mewtwo from being in the game because he was a veteran once, like you want to scrap Roy for Chrom? Wow, I don't believe... Would you rather have Zoroark replace Mewtwo JUST BECAUSE Mewtwo is once a veteran and because he wasn't in Brawl that means he shouldn't be in Smash? Wow... I don't even.....

No you're just jumping to conclusions, Mewtwo is still high priority while Roy isn't. Roy is gone now and Mewtwo lives on.

 

[Hotfeet444]

gg i'm done

Come on guys, own up, who's using DivineDeity as an alternate account? I know nobody could poke fun at Smashboards this precisely without a touch of insider knowledge. Own up friends, we will not judge; we are all one under Shrek's divine image.

I honestly don't think he's an alternate account. If anything, he's one of the youtube idiots who came here to start **** after a bunch of us tore that "Ridley is too big" video to pieces.

 

[TheDivineDeity]

gg i'm done

Come on guys, own up, who's using DivineDeity as an alternate account? I know nobody could poke fun at Smashboards this precisely without a touch of insider knowledge. Own up friends, we will not judge; we are all one under Shrek's divine image.

You know, GoldenYu... or Swampasaur... or Hotfeet... or whoever you really are... you could do better than that. Not that I had much respect for your opinion about me, but to lower yourself to such a childish level of ignorance by making false accusations about me... it's impressive. It's impressive how low you are willing to go to sabotage my name just for the sake of some petty grudge, by telling flat-out lies. If you don't like me... block me. Just block me. But don't go making false accusations like that, because it makes you could silly.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

gg i'm done

Come on guys, own up, who's using DivineDeity as an alternate account? I know nobody could poke fun at Smashboards this precisely without a touch of insider knowledge. Own up friends, we will not judge; we are all one under Shrek's divine image.

I wish I could say it was me, but I can't.

Sadly I fear Divine is truly who he is.

 

[Silverjay323]

Technically, then that means all values are subjective, and not objective. I'm only using the values of A+B+C+D=Priority because it is a concept much more easier to understand, using mathology. Besides, the values I am placing are based on FACTORS, not numbers or letters, but FACTORS that make up the equation as to how Sakurai prioritizes everything. If A = This and B = That, then we have ourselves a measurable equation that can help us with understanding prioritization.

Problem is, while the concept of your equation may make perfect sense, applying to a game like Smash is highly impractical, given unpredictability of the series in general. Using a structured equation to decide who's more likely than others ruins speculation and takes the fun out of it, not to mention this is definitely not the process Sakurai uses for prioritization or game data for that matter. There are a multitude of variables, like fan feed back and importance, but in the end it really comes down to his preference.

 

[YoshiandToad]

No you're just jumping to conclusions, Mewtwo is still high priority while Roy isn't. Roy is gone now and Mewtwo lives on.

Do I have to get Chrono back in here?

Roy's highly requested too. Not as highly as Mewtwo, granted, but still high.

Also Mewtwo, whilst extremely likely, isn't HERE yet so technically he's in the same boat til he gets confirmed. Which I'm sure he will in October with X/Y's release but until then it's hard for me to agree that he currently lives on.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I wonder what we'll think of Chrom once the SSB5 is announced, i'd imagine people would want Chrom cut for what future Fire Emblem character beholds for it.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You know, GoldenYu... or Swampasaur... or Hotfeet... or whoever you really are... you could do better than that. Not that I had much respect for your opinion about me, but to lower yourself to such a childish level of ignorance by making false accusations about me... it's impressive. It's impressive how low you are willing to go to sabotage my name just for the sake of some petty grudge, by telling flat-out lies. If you don't like me... block me. Just block me. But don't go making false accusations like that, because it makes you could silly.

Just like you make false accusations of my reputation when people clearly like me on this site, making flat out lies because of your grudge and act like a child about it and makes YOU look silly in front of everyone.

I've come to the conclusion that DD absorbs every insult made about HIM and uses it on everyone else regardless of it being out of context.

 

[Hotfeet444]

You know, GoldenYu... or Swampasaur... or Hotfeet... or whoever you really are... you could do better than that. Not that I had much respect for your opinion about me, but to lower yourself to such a childish level of ignorance by making false accusations about me... it's impressive. It's impressive how low you are willing to go to sabotage my name just for the sake of some petty grudge, by telling flat-out lies. If you don't like me... block me. Just block me. But don't go making false accusations like that, because it makes you could silly.

To say that we can't say anything bad about you is a false accusation in itself.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

gg i'm done

Come on guys, own up, who's using DivineDeity as an alternate account? I know nobody could poke fun at Smashboards this precisely without a touch of insider knowledge. Own up friends, we will not judge; we are all one under Shrek's divine image.

Nobody knows.
For all we know, it could be me.

Sigh. Beaten.

Ascending Sword is the spin attack I was talking about, I think my move set is way more unique then that. This one is mostly just Chrom swinging his sword. Where as I have the Javelin & Wind Edge.

Well, it's mainly because your Chrom has Counter, like the other FE characters, so people might assume he's a semi-clone at first glance.

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[TheLastJinjo]

Do I have to get Chrono back in here?

Roy's highly requested too. Not as highly as Mewtwo, granted, but still high.

Also Mewtwo, whilst extremely likely, isn't HERE yet so technically he's in the same boat til he gets confirmed. Which I'm sure he will in October with X/Y's release but until then it's hard for me to agree that he currently lives on.

i meant in terms of the Fire Emblem Universe, not the Smash Universe.

 

[zauberdragon]

Amazingly enough we don't have to tar all characters with the same brush. Sakurai isn't sitting behind his desk torn because he knows if he puts Mewtwo back in then Roy also has to come back.

 

[MattX20]

If we had one more female character added in Smash 4, who would you rather have: Palutena or Dixie Kong?

 

[Opossum]

Roy.

I read Chrono's essay on him and frankly I'm converted. Also Chrom's fanbase appears to be obnoxious towards Roy at least in his veteran thread, which irritates me something fierce.

I'm sure Chrom's great but if I have to choose a mercenary lord I'll pick Ike, and if I want someone to weild the Falchion I'll pick Marth.

Actually I'd probably pick Chrom over Marth, but apparently he's part of a quota so I guess I'm stuck with Marth.

I would actually like to apologize on behalf of some of the supporters of Chrom that are really only supporters in name only, ie, are only in it for the recentness. We're generally not bad people, it's just the vocal minority that makes us all look bad (well, that could be said for many things, but still).

Keep in mind, this is coming from someone who supports both Chrom and Roy.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If we had one more female character added in Smash 4, who would you rather have: Palutena or Dixie Kong?

Palutena.. though I would go all the way for Anna.

 

[josh bones]

You know, GoldenYu... or Swampasaur... or Hotfeet... or whoever you really are... you could do better than that. Not that I had much respect for your opinion about me, but to lower yourself to such a childish level of ignorance by making false accusations about me... it's impressive. It's impressive how low you are willing to go to sabotage my name just for the sake of some petty grudge, by telling flat-out lies. If you don't like me... block me. Just block me. But don't go making false accusations like that, because it makes you could silly.

You say geno is likely, call chrom a clone, and insult everybody? And you call us the bad guy?
Your ten times worse then noah could ever be and you know it. Instead of raging at a joke, you could try to nicely do things. That is all.