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These are my assist trophies

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I like it over all, but may I make a suggestion? Perhaps a Pokemon Assist Trophy in the form of Professor Oak, who rambles on about things, and then drops a Master Ball, which has a higher chance of containing a powerful Legendary Pokemon?

I dunno, just thought it'd be cool. Plus, he's already in the roster maker. :p
 

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I like it over all, but may I make a suggestion? Perhaps a Pokemon Assist Trophy in the form of Professor Oak, who rambles on about things, and then drops a Master Ball, which has a higher chance of containing a powerful Legendary Pokemon?

I dunno, just thought it'd be cool. Plus, he's already in the roster maker. :p
I just couldn't think of anyone from Pokemon so far. I don't really want someone who throws Pokeballs because it'd be the same as just getting a Pokeball.
 

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Predicting playable characters is one thing but predicting Assist trophies is basically impossible. Fair play to those with ideas but it's hardly something you can be scientific about.
 

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Predicting playable characters is one thing but predicting Assist trophies is basically impossible. Fair play to those with ideas but it's hardly something you can be scientific about.
I pretty much agree with this. Although, it is pretty fun to speculate ideas for, haha.
 

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Predicting playable characters is one thing but predicting Assist trophies is basically impossible. Fair play to those with ideas but it's hardly something you can be scientific about.
How is that? Maybe you can't predict a roster of ATs, but you can certainly predict them.

I pretty much agree with this. Although, it is pretty fun to speculate ideas for, haha.
Right you are!
 

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Predicting playable characters is one thing but predicting Assist trophies is basically impossible. Fair play to those with ideas but it's hardly something you can be scientific about.
but we can be scientific with playables, thanks to deity's helpful equation!
 

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wow i'm just gonna keep on drinking until DivineDeity falls off the face of the Earth

see you guys when i get out of the emergency room

Also, SaturnGamer - nice Assist list. If I had to make any major changes, I'd remove Toad and Impa (just because I feel they're both ripe for a playable position but that's not a topic for now) - apart from that it's one of the most solid Assist Trophy rosters I've seen. Although, if you don't mind me asking, why Din and Nayru without Farore? I know it's supposed to be a representation of the Oracle games in some sense, but considering how she showed up in both, it'd just make the list feel a little more 'complete' to have her on there... if you get what I mean.
 

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These are my assist trophies

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First of all, it seems like it's too much ATs. Second of all, Impa shouldn't be an AT, she should be a playable character as either by herself or replacing Sheik to team up with Zelda. Toad should also be playable. It would be insulting for him to be relegated to an AT. Thirdly, I there are too many vague and unknown characters I don't even know about (Byrne, Plum, Masked Man, etc.). Otherwise, decent choices. 7/10.
 

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Agreed on K Rool taking priority over Dixie if Diddy can't have Dixie incorporated into his moveset (unlikely though due to 3DS limitations).

Krystal should get in and Falco removed imo. That way we have Fox (Vet/Main character), Wolf (antagonist and much less of a clone than Falco), and Krystal adds another much needed female as well as reps a different SF game altogether. IMO Falco has never added anything to the series that fox didn't already do (usually better). People will for sure complain but it was my understanding that from the get go clones would be removed to make way for new reps.
 

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Using my two separate equations for PRIORITY:

A+B+C+D / Sakurai = PRC

P = R1/R2

We see that Lyn's chances are so minuscule it's not worth noting. As I noted above, in concern to the equation's variables, Lyn's only factors going in are Uniqueness (A), Moveset Potential (B), and Roster Balance (C), but not Deservingness (D), as well as the factor of Sakurai not even considering Lyn a potential roster choice. Therefore, her chances are nothing to note, because there aren't any at all. Sorry to say. :ohwell:
 

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Agreed on K Rool taking priority over Dixie if Diddy can't have Dixie incorporated into his moveset (unlikely though due to 3DS limitations).

Krystal should get in and Falco removed imo. That way we have Fox (Vet/Main character), Wolf (antagonist and much less of a clone than Falco), and Krystal adds another much needed female as well as reps a different SF game altogether. IMO Falco has never added anything to the series that fox didn't already do (usually better). People will for sure complain but it was my understanding that from the get go clones would be removed to make way for new reps.
Sakurai won't add Krystal for the sake of more females.
 

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First of all, it seems like it's too much ATs. Second of all, Impa shouldn't be an AT, she should be a playable character as either by herself or replacing Sheik to team up with Zelda. Thirdly, I there are too many vague and unknown characters I don't even know about (Byrne, Plum, Masked Man, etc.). Otherwise, decent choices. 7/10.
You do realize there are SEVERAL vague and unknown ATs in Brawl, RIGHT? And how can you have too many, this isn't even half the amount in Brawl!!!
You don't know who Plum, Byrne, and Masked Man are??? I'm not surprised you never research ANYTHING!!!!
 

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I explained my mathematical algorithm elsewhere in the forums, in my first reply to your updated roster as well as another more detailed post also a little after my initial response. If you'd like, you can go back to my response to see how I explained the equation, as well as how it applies to the principles of priority. It should be rather helpful, actually. :)
 

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Noah, don't instigate. It'll lead to more arguments.

And PerfectDarkMarc, while Krystal is unique, I don't see her replacing Falco. Its like replacing Luigi with Peach. And, in all honesty, she doesn't play any other role other than being a female love interest. But that's my opinion. For example, did Peach and Zelda get in because they were love interests to Mario and Link? No, they got in because they were pivotal in the franchise as a whole.
 

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Sometimes I can't help but feel this thread is evolving into Miiverse. I think we all need to sometimes hammer the metaphorical B button to stop that from ever happening.
 

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I explained my mathematical algorithm elsewhere in the forums, in my first reply to your updated roster as well as another more detailed post also a little after my initial response. If you'd like, you can go back to my response to see how I explained the equation, as well as how it applies to the principles of priority. It should be rather helpful, actually. :)
If it's so helpful why do you never use it in your rosters. And again you just posted a bunch of random letters and signs and expected it to mean something. Do you attend Math?
 

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I explained my mathematical algorithm elsewhere in the forums, in my first reply to your updated roster as well as another more detailed post also a little after my initial response. If you'd like, you can go back to my response to see how I explained the equation, as well as how it applies to the principles of priority. It should be rather helpful, actually. :)
Your "equation" is insulting to my beliefs

cos, you know

i believe in logic

just saiyan
 

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If it's so helpful why do you never use it in your rosters. And again you just posted a bunch of random letters and signs and expected it to mean something. Do you attend Math?
Don't worry everybody, I'm calm about this, don't worry. Nothing is going to explode into an explosive fight. Anyways, I'm going to copy-and-paste this calculation right on here:

"In order for us to easier understand PRIORITY, in terms of roster predictions, I have created 2 equations concerning priority.

A+B+C+D / Sakurai = PRC

P = R1/R2

Let me explain.

Let's say, in terms of character uniqueness (A), moveset potential (B), roster balance (C), and deservingness (D), the equation goes as A+B+C+D = Potential Roster Choice (PRC). Now, let's say [a character] fits the criteria of this equation as A+B+C+D = PRC. One would think [a character] would be deserving... right? Well then, there is another factor to consider - the division of the addition, otherwise known as Sakurai's Consideration (Sakurai). With the factor known as Sakurai, he would not only consider all of the above, but also Priority (P). Which means, with [a character], the equation is now A+B+C+D / Sakurai = PRC. By doing this, [a character] chances now turn out to be better than most other picks. Therefore, you have A+B+C+D / Sakurai = PRC, whereas the Sakurai factor is much more lenient.

Consider another equation in terms of [another character] priority, P = R1/R2. P = Priority, which is equal to Recency (R1) and Relevancy (R2). The closer P = R1/R2, the greater the chance is for [another character] priority. Consider R1 and R2, where [another character] is actually effective with in this equation, consider he is BOTH recent and relevant. Now the equation of P = R1/R2 favors [another character] in this sense. It also favors [a character], but not as much, because his R2 is not as high as [another character]. Therefore, the previous equation A+B+C+D / Sakurai = PRC makes sense in light of this.

I hope that helps!"
 

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Don't worry everybody, I'm calm about this, don't worry. Nothing is going to explode into an explosive fight. Anyways, I'm going to copy-and-paste this calculation right on here:

"In order for us to easier understand PRIORITY, in terms of roster predictions, I have created 2 equations concerning priority.

A+B+C+D / Sakurai = PRC

P = R1/R2

Let me explain.

Let's say, in terms of character uniqueness (A), moveset potential (B), roster balance (C), and deservingness (D), the equation goes as A+B+C+D = Potential Roster Choice (PRC). Now, let's say [a character] fits the criteria of this equation as A+B+C+D = PRC. One would think [a character] would be deserving... right? Well then, there is another factor to consider - the division of the addition, otherwise known as Sakurai's Consideration (Sakurai). With the factor known as Sakurai, he would not only consider all of the above, but also Priority (P). Which means, with [a character], the equation is now A+B+C+D / Sakurai = PRC. By doing this, [a character] chances now turn out to be better than most other picks. Therefore, you have A+B+C+D / Sakurai = PRC, whereas the Sakurai factor is much more lenient.

Consider another equation in terms of [another character] priority, P = R1/R2. P = Priority, which is equal to Recency (R1) and Relevancy (R2). The closer P = R1/R2, the greater the chance is for [another character] priority. Consider R1 and R2, where [another character] is actually effective with in this equation, consider he is BOTH recent and relevant. Now the equation of P = R1/R2 favors [another character] in this sense. It also favors [a character], but not as much, because his R2 is not as high as [another character]. Therefore, the previous equation A+B+C+D / Sakurai = PRC makes sense in light of this.

I hope that helps!"

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No there isn't, and this is coming from an old smash lab member, sooooo... Yeah.
Surely that makes you biased? At the end of the day, I'm a Nintendo freak so I pretty much know everything going on in the Brawl AT list... but the everyman is not going to know about Devil, Jill or Saki. Within the confines of the relatively well informed Smash community, yeah, everyone knows about these characters - but even some of my more "hardcore" (as much as I hate that word) gamer friends will not know at least three or four of the Assist Trophies in Brawl. I know anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much, but yeah... all these characters seem obvious to us, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are to the outside world or even some of the more involved gamer types.
 

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Don't worry everybody, I'm calm about this, don't worry. Nothing is going to explode into an explosive fight. Anyways, I'm going to copy-and-paste this calculation right on here:

"In order for us to easier understand PRIORITY, in terms of roster predictions, I have created 2 equations concerning priority.

A+B+C+D / Sakurai = PRC

P = R1/R2

Let me explain.

Let's say, in terms of character uniqueness (A), moveset potential (B), roster balance (C), and deservingness (D), the equation goes as A+B+C+D = Potential Roster Choice (PRC). Now, let's say [a character] fits the criteria of this equation as A+B+C+D = PRC. One would think [a character] would be deserving... right? Well then, there is another factor to consider - the division of the addition, otherwise known as Sakurai's Consideration (Sakurai). With the factor known as Sakurai, he would not only consider all of the above, but also Priority (P). Which means, with [a character], the equation is now A+B+C+D / Sakurai = PRC. By doing this, [a character] chances now turn out to be better than most other picks. Therefore, you have A+B+C+D / Sakurai = PRC, whereas the Sakurai factor is much more lenient.

Consider another equation in terms of [another character] priority, P = R1/R2. P = Priority, which is equal to Recency (R1) and Relevancy (R2). The closer P = R1/R2, the greater the chance is for [another character] priority. Consider R1 and R2, where [another character] is actually effective with in this equation, consider he is BOTH recent and relevant. Now the equation of P = R1/R2 favors [another character] in this sense. It also favors [a character], but not as much, because his R2 is not as high as [another character]. Therefore, the previous equation A+B+C+D / Sakurai = PRC makes sense in light of this.

I hope that helps!"
I think we're over thinking this.
 

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Barbara & Herilin? I didn't know about them until they became Assist Trophies. Not everyone is an expert on Nintendo history.

No you're right but I'd say a good proportion of those on this forums are near as can be. I knew all of the ATs I bet many others will have. I believe the point was they were all established characters, they weren't taken from obscure 70's arcade games or Japan only Virtual boy games that were only available in one town for a month's wage.
 

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Surely that makes you biased? At the end of the day, I'm a Nintendo freak so I pretty much know everything going on in the Brawl AT list... but the everyman is not going to know about Devil, Jill or Saki. Within the confines of the relatively well informed Smash community, yeah, everyone knows about these characters - but even some of my more "hardcore" (as much as I hate that word) gamer friends will not know at least three or four of the Assist Trophies in Brawl. I know anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much, but yeah... all these characters seem obvious to us, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are to the outside world or even some of the more involved gamer types.
The representation of Nintendo's History in the roster is limited. Assist Trophies can represent any part of their history regardless of how obscure.
 

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Surely that makes you biased? At the end of the day, I'm a Nintendo freak so I pretty much know everything going on in the Brawl AT list... but the everyman is not going to know about Devil, Jill or Saki. Within the confines of the relatively well informed Smash community, yeah, everyone knows about these characters - but even some of my more "hardcore" (as much as I hate that word) gamer friends will not know at least three or four of the Assist Trophies in Brawl. I know anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much, but yeah... all these characters seem obvious to us, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are to the outside world or even some of the more involved gamer types.
I know posts can get lost, but yeah, I posted above that I mistook "ATs" for something else.

Like I give a **** about assist trophies though. There's probably like, 30 assist trophies that I don't know what they even are.

Like, what's a Starfy anyway? >.>
 

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First of all, no one likes family guy. Second, instigation is wrong. Stop arguing, people!! To quote one of my favorite movies, Mean Girls(don't judge me):

"I wish we can all get along like like we did in middle school. I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy…"
 

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The representation of Nintendo's History in the roster is limited. Assist Trophies can represent any part of their history regardless of how obscure.
Don't take it the wrong way - I was agreeing with you, bro. Brawl had some 'obscure' Assist Trophies, and I fully expect the same in Smash 4. Only major change I'd make to your Assist roster is the addition of Farore to balance out Din and Nayru. :p

insert dbz joke here
 
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