Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[MagnesD3]

They should really call him red.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

They should really call him red.

There's no need to unless there are 2 Trainers.

 

[MagnesD3]

There's no need to unless there are 2 Trainers.

Red is extremely iconic, he deserves to have his name be in there, having another trainer or not.

 

[TheCreator]

In mario galaxy and super mario 3D land, bowser can swallow mario whole. But he's still a turtle, resizing obviously works for him because of that.
I kindof missed the fave gen of pokemon discussion...I love 3rd gen. I like 5th as well, but only for snivy. If I could choose Pokemon Trainer's pokemon, I'd choose Totadile, Grovyle, and Charizard.
http://www.smashbros.com/us/characters/mega_man.html#
Even in the game's official artwork bowser is enormous.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Red is extremely iconic, he deserves to have his name be in there, having another trainer or not.

Doesn't seem to be a big deal, but it's not a huge change.

 

[IsmaR]

I did a blind nuzlocke run White 2 but I never beat it
thinking about it I never finished a Nuzlocke I always die at the Elite 4 because I hate grinding

Usually, I've won with only 1-2 remaining. Ironically in White 2, I sweeped the entire Elite 4 with a single Pokemon (Scrafty).
On Challenge Mode, no less. Made the dramatic story up until then (lost like all my team on Victory Road) pointless.

Chivalry to a female... by another female? Doesn't that go against the laws of physics?
And I see what you mean, seems I've gotten to the point where others will correct them for me as well. I've arrived!

If not that way, then how else can we expect to it get done? Gotta do everything yourself nowadays.

Alright, I'll bite. Who was he? Some primitive Noah or something?

Exhibit A.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't really see what's wrong with DLC being planned from the start, if you're not cutting characters from Brawl and making them DLC. All I've heard is people didn't like it when Capcom did it in this one game. If there is no room for a character it makes sense, wouldn't it make more sense to have a Melee rep be brought back that way to make room for new reps?

 

[Bajef8]

Just don't freak the heck out next time, that's all I gotta say. Even my counter-arguments aren't as over the top and animalistic as yours. and no, you have handled it anything BUT fine.

This is hilarious coming from you. You're not one to avoid over-the-top theatrics with your large fonts and insulting gifs...but anyways, I'm done addressing pointless things with you. My last comment on that is grow up.

I pose a question to you though. What's your reasoning for not naming PKMN Trainer Red?

 

[TheCreator]

I don't really see what's wrong with DLC being planned from the start, if you're not cutting characters from Brawl and making them DLC. All I've heard is people didn't like it when Capcom did it in this one game. If there is no room for a character it makes sense, wouldn't it make more sense to have a Melee rep be brought back that way to make room for new reps?

Because Noah. That's greedy as ****. Nintendo doesn't pull **** like that. Sakurai knows what he's doing. And he's doing it for his fans.
He's trying to include as much content as possible in the game, so that we don't have to buy more ****. Purposly keeping things off that you very well could have implemented is a very d!ck thing to do.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't care about Noah's time of the month so I'm just going to post this;
Badass Mach Rider pic, Hotfoot.
The others are epic too, but I'm more focused on the Mach one. :D

 

[Bajef8]

Because Noah. That's greedy as ****. Nintendo doesn't pull **** like that. Sakurai knows what he's doing. And he's doing it for his fans.
He's trying to include as much content as possible in the game, so that we don't have to buy more ****. Purposly keeping things off that you very well could have been implemented is a very d!ck thing to do.

This exactly. Sakurai has said, on record mind you, that he is trying to get as much in the game as possible and that DLC is NOT planned. He didn't deny that it could happen in the future, however, the man himself said DLC is not a concern til the game releases. So DLC literally is not planned, so you shouldn't plan on it for your roster predictions if it's a big time character.

If DLC even happened with characters, I really only see clones or something happening, such as Doc or Pichu coming back.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Outrageous would be an incredibly exaggerate way to describe them and is what most of my arguments end up being. You people aren't being closed minded for not agreeing with these characters, you're being closed minded for going off the deep end in you rating of their chances and your guarantee that it'd be impossible. Those are posts I have no intention of responding to because if you're THAT against a character, I'm not going to attempt to sway such an unwilling mind. This can also apply for Starfy. Only difference is that the Starfy argument usually leans towards him being a likely character.

Also "He who lives in a glass house, should not throw stones" I am talking about the Hotfeet, and BluePikmin11. And you all at some point have had a character on this thread that simply doesn't work for what should be obvious reasons. And the majority of ONE thread agreeing or disagreeing does not determine a character's chances, or necessarily mean they know entirely what they are taking about. Also your disagreement to something doesn't make the opposite side "illogical" nor does a small group of people's. This needs to be clarified for subjects that are opinions. You have nothing verifying your rank as a speculator, or at least nothing verifying your rank as a better speculator.

Just don't freak the heck out next time, that's all I gotta say. Even my counter-arguments aren't as over the top and animalistic as yours. and no, you have handled it anything BUT fine.

You're telling him to not freak out? Now you're exaggerating things.

Hope you realize you have nothing verifying your "rank" as a better speculator either. And that last sentance of yours is not necessarily true, you said it yourself: One person/group that disagrees with something does not mean the opposing side is incorrect or illogical. Saying he handled anything BUT fine isn't true. It seemed to me he handled it perfectly fine, but that doesn't mean I'm correct or incorrect. (at least, that's probably how you would view it)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You're telling him to not freak out? Now you're exaggerating things.

not even

This is hilarious coming from you. You're not one to avoid over-the-top theatrics with your large fonts and insulting gifs...but anyways, I'm done addressing pointless things with you. My last comment on that is grow up.

That fact that I don't care as much about other's roster choices where as you you get this ****y about it is enough to say you should grow up, you act like this is essential to your life or that your defending your family. and I didn't even post any gifs.

 

[TheCreator]

God damn it Noah everybody on the site tells you the same thing, maybe we aren't all ******* and there's some reason for that
Edit: lol internet

 

[Bajef8]

I don't understand these insults at all haha. I even moved on, but now you're being immature and ignoring a normal conversation. If you're gonna post your rosters here, expect us to discuss it and give logical reason of why we disagree. You ignored our assessments. I'm okay with that. You are attacking me. Not cool at all. I'm not upset about your roster one bit, I could care less about it. All I did was seek a civil conversation about it because clearly you care enough to even post it here. I'm upset that you are reduced to personal insults now. And you don't post gifs? Really? Are we done with our tantrum yet little Noah?

Let's try again though. Why not name him Red instead of PKMN Trainer?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Again, how is he acting like he's defending his familiy or something? He said he was done addressing pointless things with you.

And if by any chance you are reffering to me as caring about the matter in a similar way, I don't.

In all honesty, I have no plans to argue on anyone else's roster, no matter what it is. I either like it or I don't.

I don't act like this is essential to my life either, you simply confuse me.

But, it's probably for the best I leave you be as well.

 

[3Bismyname]

i feel like i hardly comment anymore. i just read this thread to watch the Noah hate at this point lol.

 

[Bajef8]

i feel like i hardly comment anymore. i just read this thread to watch the Noah hate at this point lol.

I used to do that...then I got sucked in, and I feel the need to defend myself from this troll...I pray he finds a new target...or maybe, just maybe, he'll actually have a conversation.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'm glad I never had a conversation (or rather argument) with Noah before.

If I wind up being a target of him, the ignore button will be my savior.

 

[3Bismyname]

I used to do that...then I got sucked in, and I feel the need to defend myself from this troll...I pray he finds a new target...or maybe, just maybe, he'll actually have a conversation.

yeah he'll just move onto whoever else makes a criticism on his next roster, or next stupid comment. he just loves to argue which is fine, but he really needs to learn that his ideas aren't always good ones.

 

[IsmaR]

You're not exactly helping you're case by mentioning/acknowledging him, Phantoms. Hell, everyone replying to him, really.

 

[Deleted member]

Forget Noah. Rhythm Wrestler time.

.....and his sidekick, the reporter girl. I guess she can be spectating the fight on the same area as Pokémon Trainer.

Wii Fit Trainer, meet your match. Only this time, it shouldn't be that much of a shock.

 

[CalumG]

How's about I break up the hate with a roster of my own?

Newcomers: Toad, Impa, Tingle, Mewtwo/Mewtwo Awakened, Zoroark, Mallo, Ridley, Palutena, Chrom, Dillon, Little Mac, Ryota Hayami, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Megaman and Pac-Man.

Cut characters: Jigglypuff, Lucario, Ike, Snake, Toon Link and Wolf.

I can already hear some people eating their hearts out at some of my character removals and character inclusions, but this is more of a personal roster than a roster prediction (after all, how much can we really predict with the knowledge we have so far?). This was sort of a challenge to see if I could fit my ideal roster into a 45 character limit (transformations not included in that number), and it actually went pretty well.

That being said, I did have legitimate reasons for removing the characters I did, even if they're deemed controversial. Lucario and Ike were cut to make way for newer characters from their franchises, Toon Link was cut because I don't like clones, Wolf was cut because frankly I don't think Star Fox needs three characters and Snake was cut because I felt he wouldn't fit in as well with the aesthetic of Smash 4 (plus I was a bit cheeky and wanted him out to make room for the Pac). Jigglypuff's reasons for removal were two-fold - firstly, Jigglypuff is the only character of the original 12 who isn't actually fundamentally important to their franchise of origin, and secondly, between Mewtwo's two formes and Pokemon Trainer's three Pokemon, there are technically seven Pokemon reps on this roster as it is - 8 seemed like overkill, so I prioritised importance over seniority.

So... yeah. Not quite everybodys ideal roster - I prioritized representing a wealth of franchises over simply adding a metric crap-ton to the existing ones, and I've got no qualms with removing characters regardless of seniority if I don't feel they're important enough to return. I doubt anybody would call it their favourite roster but I'd love to hear opinions all the same.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Rhythm Wrestler time.

He stole Waluigi's line!

 

[Deleted member]

He stole Waluigi's line!

shhh....
it's a secret, but he is really Waluigi in disguise.

 

[3Bismyname]

How's about I break up the hate with a roster of my own?

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So... yeah. Not quite everybodys ideal roster - I prioritized representing a wealth of franchises over simply adding a metric crap-ton to the existing ones, and I've got no qualms with removing characters regardless of seniority if I don't feel they're important enough to return. I doubt anybody would call it their favourite roster but I'd love to hear opinions all the same.

well since u say its a personal roster than i have 0 problems with it. but i do have to ask who is Ryota?

 

[CalumG]

well since u say its a personal roster than i have 0 problems with it. but i do have to ask who is Ryota?

Ryota is one of the racers in Wave Race 64 and Wave Race Blue Storm. He's not the main character of the series as such but he's the top of the character list and he's the most balanced of the racers - he's what Falcon is to F-Zero, for lack of a better way to put it.

Also, I'd say it's only partly a dream roster. Ryota, Mallo and Impa are all personal favourites with sketchy chances, but I'd say every other character there has had some thought put into them and I spent a fair bit of time going over traditional fan favourites (Ridley and the like) as well as long-standing characters from franchises (Toad, to name one).

 

[KingofPhantoms]

How's about I break up the hate with a roster of my own?

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So... yeah. Not quite everybodys ideal roster - I prioritized representing a wealth of franchises over simply adding a metric crap-ton to the existing ones, and I've got no qualms with removing characters regardless of seniority if I don't feel they're important enough to return. I doubt anybody would call it their favourite roster but I'd love to hear opinions all the same.

I approve of everyone I recognize here except Tingle.

I'm not gonna argue on it though. I like it overall. Nice choices.

 

[Bajef8]

How's about I break up the hate with a roster of my own?

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So... yeah. Not quite everybodys ideal roster - I prioritized representing a wealth of franchises over simply adding a metric crap-ton to the existing ones, and I've got no qualms with removing characters regardless of seniority if I don't feel they're important enough to return. I doubt anybody would call it their favourite roster but I'd love to hear opinions all the same.

Not too shabby at all. Kinda think Wolf and Jiggs should say for various reasons, but if you must cut I'm okay with the 3rd parties, a FE dude besides Marth, and cutting a Pokemon for a newer Gen. Personally also like repping 2 Links just cuz I'm a Zelda buff.

Overall I'm okay with most of the personal choices. And props for naming Trainer Red, as he should be.

 

[Sebz]

I don't really see what's wrong with DLC being planned from the start, if you're not cutting characters from Brawl and making them DLC. All I've heard is people didn't like it when Capcom did it in this one game. If there is no room for a character it makes sense, wouldn't it make more sense to have a Melee rep be brought back that way to make room for new reps?

To actually address a legitimate issue here:

Planning DLC from the get go is bad. This strategy shows that you're planning to milk consumers for something that should be on the game, given that the content was brought up during developement. If they don't get to add all the characters they want during the time frame given to them, they should push back the release date so that we can buy the full product as it was intended.
DLC should be considered only AFTER the game is done, when the consumers and the community demand additions be made to the game.

However, if they (for some reason) aren't able to push back release, then yeah, adding those characters as DLC would be ok.

 

[CalumG]

Out of curiosity, since I mostly just put these characters in to fill roster spots and keep fans happy:

Is Falco okay in everyones books or would they rather have Wolf? And is there any other Pokemon people could think of that would be better suited than Zoroark (that isn't a genwunner - Jigglypuff isn't an option)?

 

[shinhed-echi]

I like everyone's optimism on DLC, but I'm sure Sakurai stated somewhere that DLC would not come in the form of characters. :S


Kind of an off topic question but... Why is it that Stage Maker stages were never tournament viable? (Even if they made just ONE stage for tournament purposes, like a better Final Desination without arm-pits)

 

[Bajef8]

To actually address a legitimate issue here:

Planning DLC from the get go is bad. This strategy shows that you're planning to milk consumers for something that should be on the game, given that the content was brought up during developement. If they don't get to add all the characters they want during the time frame given to them, they should push back the release date so that we can buy the full product as it was intended.
DLC should be considered only AFTER the game is done, when the consumers and the community demand additions be made to the game.

However, if they (for some reason) aren't able to push back release, then yeah, adding those characters as DLC would be ok.

I've tried telling him many times why it is a bad idea, and said pretty much that same stuff. Don't try and argue with him...DLC, if it even happens, probably won't be some major thing. My problem is people who say they'll be both cuts and DLC. Why would they cut anyone and then put them as DLC. Sakurai has plenty of time to get everyone he feels needs to be in, meaning there probably won't be significant cuts. Sakurai has cuts, so if there is character DLC, it'll be clones I believe. Something like Pichu or Doc.

 

[3Bismyname]

Out of curiosity, since I mostly just put these characters in to fill roster spots and keep fans happy:

Is Falco okay in everyones books or would they rather have Wolf? And is there any other Pokemon people could think of that would be better suited than Zoroark (that isn't a genwunner - Jigglypuff isn't an option)?

Falco over Wolf is better imo. and uhm idk. there is Genesect but otherwise no other pokemon seriously stand out. i know Victini had a following for awhile but that kind of died out. thing is gen 1 pokemon have just continued to stay relevant for the most part.

 

[Bajef8]

Why isn't Jiggs an option? She and Pikachu have priority over every other Poke-rep in my opinion. She may not have been high on the priority list for Brawl, but she is now a 3-time veteran, being in since the beginning. I think that has some weight now. Even if she isn't very relevant to Pokemon anymore, she is relevant to Smash.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

@CalumG:

You certainly made some interesting cuts and additions; if not downright random. Looking at it as a prediction roster, it's not very good. A lack of a new DK rep and a new Fire Emblem rep, removal of several characters (who do seen likely) plus several odd ball and unlikely additions don not seem very likely to me. However, it is always possible.

As for a wish list, I like your additions -especially in Ryota. Interesting choice.

 

[CalumG]

Why isn't Jiggs an option? She and Pikachu have priority over every other Poke-rep in my opinion. She may not have been high on the priority list for Brawl, but she is now a 3-time veteran, being in since the beginning. I think that has some weight now. Even if she isn't very relevant to Pokemon anymore, she is relevant to Smash.

It's not so much that Jiggs isn't an option, I just decided against Jiggs for my roster because I felt that Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer and Mewtwo were more important to the series overall, and that the final rep for Pokemon should be something that isn't first gen for the sake of diversity. Personally I'd go for Pikachu, Red, Mewtwo/Awakened and Jiggly but considering what Sakurai has said in the past (Pokemon Company are pretty picky about inclusions, he goes to them to ask about the current "Pokemon of the week" and so on), I see it as very unlikely that the list of Pokemon in Smash 4 would be entirely composed of first gen Pokemon... as much as I'd love for that to be the case.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Why isn't Jiggs an option? She and Pikachu have priority over every other Poke-rep in my opinion. She may not have been high on the priority list for Brawl, but she is now a 3-time veteran, being in since the beginning. I think that has some weight now. Even if she isn't very relevant to Pokemon anymore, she is relevant to Smash.

Your avatar only makes this more adorable, lol.


But you're right, Jiggs is as much of a respected vet as Captain Falcon, imo.

 

[Bajef8]

It's not so much that Jiggs isn't an option, I just decided against Jiggs for my roster because I felt that Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer and Mewtwo were more important to the series overall, and that the final rep for Pokemon should be something that isn't first gen for the sake of diversity. Personally I'd go for Pikachu, Red, Mewtwo/Awakened and Jiggly but considering what Sakurai has said in the past (Pokemon Company are pretty picky about inclusions, he goes to them to ask about the current "Pokemon of the week" and so on), I see it as very unlikely that the list of Pokemon in Smash 4 would be entirely composed of first gen Pokemon... as much as I'd love for that to be the case.

My solution to you is have 5 Poke-reps then. Pokemon definitely can have 5 as is it one of the top 3 Nintendo franchises along with Mario and Zelda. I think Pikachu, Jiggs, Red, and Mewtwo are the best 4 to have though.

 

[CalumG]

Pushed it up to a tidy 48 by re-adding Ike, Jiggly and Wolf into the roster. The layouts gone a bit messy because of it being a quick job (characters representing the same franchise aren't necessarily near each other anymore) but overall this does look a lot more well-rounded.