Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Bajef8]

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Pushed it up to a tidy 48 by re-adding Ike, Jiggly and Wolf into the roster. The layouts gone a bit messy because of it being a quick job (characters representing the same franchise aren't necessarily near each other anymore) but overall this does look a lot more well-rounded.

Much better. The only things I don't like about it are the lack of 2nd Link and Impa over Sheik (I'm guessing, since there isn't a Zelda/Sheik icon). Your odd choices of Mallo and Ryota are funny and maybe we will get some other WTFs. Everything else i can say about it are just minor things, but overall I like this one a lot better (mostly because unjustified cuts don't sit well with me).

 

[CalumG]

Much better. The only things I don't like about it are the lack of 2nd Link and Impa over Sheik (I'm guessing, since there isn't a Zelda/Sheik icon). Your odd choices of Mallo and Ryota are funny and maybe we will get some other WTFs. Everything else i can say about it are just minor things, but overall I like this one a lot better (mostly because unjustified cuts don't sit well with me).

Actually Sheik was supposed to be in there... I just put the wrong icon by mistake My bad.

 

[SchAlternate]

Huh. Now I understand why some people say they rip their own eyebrows every time they see Noah's posts.

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Pushed it up to a tidy 48 by re-adding Ike, Jiggly and Wolf into the roster. The layouts gone a bit messy because of it being a quick job (characters representing the same franchise aren't necessarily near each other anymore) but overall this does look a lot more well-rounded.

It is quite messy, yes. Don't try to align it like Brawl's roster, you're just asking for trouble there.

Anyway, who is Ryota? Why Toad? Or Impa? Or Tingle? Or... Mallo?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Huh. Now I understand why some people say they rip their own eyebrows every time they see Noah's posts.




It is quite messy, yes. Don't try to align it like Brawl's roster, you're just asking for trouble there.

Anyway, who is Ryota? Why Toad? Or Impa? Or Tingle? Or... Mallo?

Ryota is the main character from Wave Race, I believe.
Toad just to piss you off.
Impa because of a lack of better ideas.
Tingle because he's Tingle.
Mallo because he's much more likely than Geno.

Spoiler

I'm kidding.

 

[Bajef8]

Actually Sheik was supposed to be in there... I just put the wrong icon by mistake My bad.

Ah. Well then, that's better!

 

[CalumG]

Huh. Now I understand why some people say they rip their own eyebrows every time they see Noah's posts.




It is quite messy, yes. Don't try to align it like Brawl's roster, you're just asking for trouble there.

Anyway, who is Ryota? Why Toad? Or Impa? Or Tingle? Or... Mallo?

Ryota is from Wave Race.

As for Toad, Impa and Tingle, I think they pretty much go without saying - they're far more re-occurring characters than nearly any other suggested newcomers in their franchise. Toad has been in the Mario series since Day 1 (every Mario character in Smash so far, excluding Dr. Mario, showed up in the original SMB), has had three separate platformer outings (SMB2, NSMBWii, NSMBU) and is soon to get a fourth in Mario 3D World, and quite frankly seems more deserving than characters such as Waluigi. Also, if we're looking at Japanese popularity, Toad/Kinopio is incredibly popular. Not just as a Mario character - he's one of the most popular characters out of all Nintendo characters in Japan.

Tingle and Impa were choices made out of the fact that, in my opinion, the only characters eligible for inclusion as a Zelda char in Smash should be characters who have had multiple incarnations - or at least, that's what the current set of Zelda characters would suggest. Why should we get a one-off like Ghirahim, Zant, Midna, Masked Link or Skull Kid (with Majora's Mask) when Impa has been there since Day 1, and Tingle has had three games of his own? Plus it's not like they don't both have their share of fighting potential.

 

[Bajef8]

Ryota is from Wave Race.

As for Toad, Impa and Tingle, I think they pretty much go without saying - they're far more re-occurring characters than nearly any other suggested newcomers in their franchise. Toad has been in the Mario series since Day 1 (every Mario character in Smash so far, excluding Dr. Mario, showed up in the original SMB), has had three separate platformer outings (SMB2, NSMBWii, NSMBU) and is soon to get a fourth in Mario 3D World, and quite frankly seems more deserving than characters such as Waluigi. Also, if we're looking at Japanese popularity, Toad/Kinopio is incredibly popular. Not just as a Mario character - he's one of the most popular characters out of all Nintendo characters in Japan.

Tingle and Impa were choices made out of the fact that, in my opinion, the only characters eligible for inclusion as a Zelda char in Smash should be characters who have had multiple incarnations - or at least, that's what the current set of Zelda characters would suggest. Why should we get a one-off like Ghirahim, Zant, Midna, Masked Link or Skull Kid (with Majora's Mask) when Impa has been there since Day 1, and Tingle has had three games of his own? Plus it's not like they don't both have their share of fighting potential.

The thing is, I couldn't come up with someone else who really needed to be in for the Zelda series. I think they hit all the major bases w/ Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, and a 2nd Link. In my opinion, Zelda doesn't warrant another rep cuz it doesn't have any major ones left. Tingle and Impa are just exmaples of scraping the bottom of the barrel.

And the Toad thing, I just feel Bowser Jr. has better potential as a character over Toad. Jr. has played a major role since he first showed up as the next major villain in Mario besides Bowser. And he frequently shows up with Bowser as the pair of main villains. Toad just kinda is there to do, well, I don't even really know. He's just there. Plus Jr. has room to have a pretty interesting moveset, and he also appeals to younger audiences who've kinda grown up with him seeing as he almost always appears in the recent games, mains and spin-offs. All Toad has going for him, in my opinion, is age.

As for Waluigi, he should'nt even be considered. He needs to stick to spin-offs an rep as an AT trophy.

 

[CalumG]

Impa, understandably, is a bit of a controversial "wishlist" character moreso than a logical prediction. However, I absolutely must disagree in regards to Toad and Tingle. Tingle is definitely not scraping the bottom of the barrel - he's unique, re-occurring, has a quirky personality and has had three of his own games. I keep bringing up the spin-offs even though it's been ages since they were released, but the fact Tingle had spin-offs at all makes it pretty clear that Nintendo saw some big potential in him, not just as a character but as a face that would sell. Granted, the Western hatebase of Tingle sort of takes his chances down a notch or two; I guess if the Tingle games had seen release outside of Japan and Europe (Eurofag here) he'd at least have a little more support going for him from American fans. His spin-off games are of importance though; there are characters in Smash who don't have much history to their name, whereas Tingle has the advantage of having both his own spin-off games and a long-running series of cameos in the main Zelda series. Between that, his interesting playstyle and his potential for a unique moveset, I'd say he's not 'bottom of the barrel' at all.

As for Toad, it was neck and neck between him and Bowser Jr. for a while, but Toad won it out in the end. Yes, it was partly based on his age and long-running position in the Mario series, but it's also due to his popularity in Japan. I'll pull the links up for you in a bit if you'd like, but Toad was ranked 8th most popular video game character in a Japanese poll that took place in 2008, as well as one of the top 3 playable characters in a poll concerning peoples favourite racers in Mario Kart. And just like Tingle, Toad has had a spinoff title of his own, called Wario's Woods. As for playstyle potential? Toad has plenty of it, being able to take reference from games spanning as wide as Mario 2, to Wario's Woods, all the way to the newest Mario platformers - and that's to say nothing of his unique attributes, being small and incredibly light, whilst also being fast, poor in the air yet able to carry characters and throw them around with the same prowess as Donkey Kong. I can't think of any other character with these kinds of unique stats and attributes.

 

[Bajef8]

Yeah the Toad VS Bowser Jr. thing really boils down to preference. I'm curious to see who the next Mario rep will be, if there is one. However 2008 was 5 years ago, so I'd point that out. Plus it was just a puzzle game, so I wouldn't put to much stock into that. You could argue it was a Wario game as well.

As for Tingle, he's not your quintessential Zelda character. All the important ones are there, so all I'm saying is they don't need anymore additions. However I will give you that Tingle would be a great choice, IF Zelda even needed someone else.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Super Mario Bros. Series

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Toad ( He's been in the series forever. Give him some limelight. )
Bowser Jr. ( It makes sense, he's been in most big mario platform games. Sunshine, Galaxy, etc. )

Donkey Kong Series

DK

Diddy Kong

Dixie Kong ( I could see her being added with similar moves to Diddy, but her own unique style )

King K. Rool ( We need a Donkey Kong Villain, he's the one )

Yoshis Island Series

Yoshi

Birdo ( She'd be a good add from Yoshi, who else could they really put in? )

Wario series

Wario ( With his original costume and move set more based on Wario land. )

Walluigi ( Why the hell not, add another rep for Wario. Who else is there really. )

Legend of Zelda Series

Link

Zelda/Sheik

Ganandorf

Tingle ( Lol please just please )

Toon Link ( One of him or young link will probably be in the new game, and he's more likely )

Toon Zelda ( I could see it )

Metroid series

Samus/Zero Suit Samus

Ridley ( Yea it'd be hard to put Ridley in because of shear size, but they'd shrink Ridley down to reasonable proportion to make it work. )

Kid Icarus

Pit

Palutena ( With Pit being one of the first characters announced, expect another Kid Icarus character )

Star Fox Series

Fox

Falco

Krystal ( A lot of people want her, I see it happening )

Wolf ( We'll see if he's back, if anyone gets cut it's him )

F. Zero Series

Captain Falcon

Samurai Gohro ( F. Zero is pretty irrelevant now, but Captain Falcon will be in the game as one of the original 12, and as a mainstay i'd like to see him get a character from his series added. )

Pokemon Series

Pikachu

Jigglypuff

Pokemon Trainer ( New Gen. Pokemon )

Mewtwo ( In his apparent newform )

Mew ( Come on why not )

Fire emblem Series

Marth

Micaiah ( If any character should be added, I think it's her. If we were to get a female from FE I wouldn't mind Lynn either. )

Krom ( I see him being added. )

Roy/Ike ( I could see ONE of the two returning from their respective smash games )

Pikmin Series

Olimar

Louie ( Why not? haha )

Alph ( Pikmin 3 character likely, whether it's him or one of the 2 others. )

Game and Watch Series

Mr. Game and Watch

Sonic the Hedgehog Series

Sonic ( He'll be back, why would you take him out if you had the choice. Sega better not hoe on us. )

Shadow the Hedgehog ( He'd be the clear choice if there was to be a sonic villain )

Knuckles ( The Anti-Hero of the series, he could have a unique move set that i'd like to see "

Metal Gear Solid Series

Solid Snake ( It's a mystery whether he'll be back. I can't even say how I feel about his chances. )

Big Boss ( He'd be a good replacement for Solid if only one was to be in there, especially with Snake Eater on the 3DS. My favorite mgs character.

Grey Fox ( Unlikely, but he'd be a fantastic mgs character to throw in with snake )

Earthbound Series

Ness

Lucas ( I think he'll be back for sure, hopefully with a new moveset! )

Claus ( I'd like to see a new character, regardless of EB's popularity in the west, he'd be the one to add )

Kirby Series


Kirby

King Dedede ( He'll probably be back )

Meta Knight ( He'll be back )

New Characters From Miscellaneous Series

Little Mac- Punchout ( Great classic nintendo character to add, how his moveset would work is the only question )

Pacman- Pacman Series ( Capcom is helping make the new game, come on... Very likely )

Crash- Crash Bandicoot Series ( Considering he wasn't in PS all stars, why not. Maybe he'd replace Snake, hard to say. Not likely, but if he was to be in a fighting game, it might as well be one like Super Smash Bros where he'd square off wih real gaming icons. Crash is a legend, and PS All Stars doesn't have icons of his caliber.

Megaman- Megaman Series ( Confirmed )

Ryu- Street Fighter ( Another Capcom legend. I think it's a distinct possibility, regardless of him being from a fighting game. )

Kid Goku- Dragonball series ( It won't happen, but Kid Goku would be a good fit. Obviously Goku from DBZ would just be too over powered to even make sense.

King Piccolo- Dragonball series ( I can dream, if Kid Goku was in there from Dragonball he's be the villain to throw in with him. )

Wii Trainer- WiiFit ( Confirmed )

Villager- Animal Crossing ( Confirmed )

Tom Nook- Animal Crossing ( If we can have villager why the hell not? )

Please tell me you're not serious. Not only you have terrible explanations for characters (why the hell not being the primary reason for newcomers), 67 characters? Nuh-uh. The roster will most likely be anywhere between 40-50 slots, so the amount of characters will at most be about 55 give or take. Mario does not need six reps, StarFox and F-Zero don't deserve another Rep. You have over ten third party characters. Sonic and Metal Gear are not established franchises in Smash, they're guest franchises. Stop being stupid.

 

[mimgrim]

Eh I think if we keep a 2nd Link, espically if that 2nd Link is Toon Link, we should now get a 2nd Zelda, preferably Toon Zelda & Tetra. :L

 

[TumblrFamous]

Eh I think if we keep a 2nd Link, espically if that 2nd Link is Toon Link, we should now get a 2nd Zelda, preferably Toon Zelda & Tetra. :L

Yeah, if we keep the four we have now on Brawl's roster, Toon Zelda/ Tetra is pretty darn likely. But only if Toon Link is there. It'd be weird if we have a Toon Zelda and no Toon Link.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Yeah the Toad VS Bowser Jr. thing really boils down to preference. I'm curious to see who the next Mario rep will be, if there is one. However 2008 was 5 years ago, so I'd point that out. Plus it was just a puzzle game, so I wouldn't put to much stock into that. You could argue it was a Wario game as well.

Yeah, me, as a HUGE fan of both, always gets stressed out trying to pick Toad vs Bowser Jr. I always end up with Toad though.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'd honestly prefer that other series get reps before Mario and Zelda do. More like Metroid (Ridley), Donkey Kong (K.Rool or Dixie), Fire Emblem (Roy or Chrom), Kid Icarus (Palutena), and then a few new series, such as Xenoblade, Golden Sun, Punch Out!!, etc...

 

[Autumn ♫]

If we kept the 4 characters from Zelda that we have in Brawl, I'd prefer they add Vaati. Got to give that Toon series a villian

 

[TumblrFamous]

What about Toon Ganondorf? Toon Ganondorf will be more relevant than regular Ganondorf when WW HD is released

 

[Autumn ♫]

What about Toon Ganondorf? Toon Ganondorf will be more relevant than regular Ganondorf when WW HD is released

But when he only appears in one game, it's like SS getting a remake, still doesn't make Ghirihim any better of a choice.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Could somebody repost the new Roster icons? I'm on my laptop instead of my PC now and I don't have access to them.

 

[mimgrim]

The reason I would support Toon Ganadorf is because we would (hypothetical future) already have Toon Link and Toon Zelda. So that we have realistic versions of each and toon versions of each. :L

 

[Reznor]

why do you guys want Toon versions of every one why not ask for a new character like Tingle or Impa (I don't know anything about Zelda)

 

[Autumn ♫]

The reason I would support Toon Ganadorf is because we would (hypothetical future) already have Toon Link and Toon Zelda. So that we have realistic versions of each and toon versions of each. :L

But that wouldn't be very interesting though. It would be like having Paper Mario, Paper Luigi, Paper Peach, and Paper Bowser.

 

[3Bismyname]

i want Tetra, if Toon Zelda comes along for the ride then so be it.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I hope everyone knows I was kidding. I don't support having Toon Ganondorf. I do support Toon Characters like Tetra, Toon Zelda, and Vaati, though.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I hope everyone knows I was kidding. I don't support having Toon Ganondorf. I do support Toon Characters like Tetra, Toon Zelda, and Vaati, though.

Yeah, I know. I was just explaining why it doesn't really help his chances. I'd be okay with Tetra, but I don't really want to see Toon Zelda. But of course, Vaati's my #1 choice.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Good afternoon, I come to you from another trip to the dentist for an extra filling. So, might I ask what the topic is today?

 

[Reznor]

Good afternoon, I come to you from another trip to the dentist for an extra filling. So, might I ask what the topic is today?

people wanting more Toon characters

 

[CalumG]

why do you guys want Toon versions of every one why not ask for a new character like Tingle or Impa (I don't know anything about Zelda)

I'm gonna have to second this sentiment. Whether or not Zelda deserves any new reps is very much up for debate, but if it were to get new reps, surely we can all agree that Impa and Tingle would be better choices than the Toon's, being re-occurring characters as well as unique ones? I just have a personal hatred of any character being included on the roster twice. I'd maybe be able to put that hatred aside for the likes of Paper Mario, but I don't think we need Toon Link, and I certainly don't think we need Toon Link as well as Toon Zelda. Toon Ganondorf? Absolutely not.

I could maybe get on board with Tetra though, although I dislike people habitually pairing her with Toon Zelda - I think she's got the potential of her own that she doesn't need to be tied down to Toon Zelda, but that's just me.

 

[Hotfeet444]

people wanting more Toon characters

Oi Vey...it shouldn't happen. It COULD happen, but it shouldn't. Sure, the idea of Toon Link was interesting (I just hope this time he's ACTUALLY cell-shaded to fit his actual style) but bringing in more characters from it is a bit excessive, especially when they'll most likely just be Toon renditions of characters we already have in the game and not someone unique. I'd just chalk up the new Zelda character to Impa, or maybe Tingle if Sakurai is daring enough, but regardless, no more Toon characters.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I'm gonna have to second this sentiment. Whether or not Zelda deserves any new reps is very much up for debate, but if it were to get new reps, surely we can all agree that Impa and Tingle would be better choices than the Toon's, being re-occurring characters as well as unique ones? I just have a personal hatred of any character being included on the roster twice. I'd maybe be able to put that hatred aside for the likes of Paper Mario, but I don't think we need Toon Link, and I certainly don't think we need Toon Link as well as Toon Zelda. Toon Ganondorf? Absolutely not.

I could maybe get on board with Tetra though, although I dislike people habitually pairing her with Toon Zelda - I think she's got the potential of her own that she doesn't need to be tied down to Toon Zelda, but that's just me.

I do agree with this to a certain extent. I usually just pair up Tetra and T. Zelda because they're the same person, like Zelda and Sheik. But that's me. I really don't care for the inclusion of Tingle, I wouldn't care one bit. And, to be honest, I can only see Impa come onto the roster if we cut Sheik, which may or may not happen. I really want Toon Zelda and Tetra though. But only if Toon Link comes back. Or we can have Vaati representing. If Toon Link does not, I'd be happy with characters like Ghirahim, Impa, or Tingle.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I'm gonna have to second this sentiment. Whether or not Zelda deserves any new reps is very much up for debate, but if it were to get new reps, surely we can all agree that Impa and Tingle would be better choices than the Toon's, being re-occurring characters as well as unique ones? I just have a personal hatred of any character being included on the roster twice. I'd maybe be able to put that hatred aside for the likes of Paper Mario, but I don't think we need Toon Link, and I certainly don't think we need Toon Link as well as Toon Zelda. Toon Ganondorf? Absolutely not.

I could maybe get on board with Tetra though, although I dislike people habitually pairing her with Toon Zelda - I think she's got the potential of her own that she doesn't need to be tied down to Toon Zelda, but that's just me.

Eh, I'd like to see Vaati get in and he would be pretty unique, we sure don't have a Windmage yet.

 

[mimgrim]

A wind mage?

Soren is obviously the best choice for a wind mage character then.

 

[Flying walrus]

My personal roster:

Mario Bros.
-Mario
-Luigi
-Bowser
-Peach
-Paper Mario*

Zelda
-Link
-Zelda
-Ganondorf
-Classic Link (aka LttP/ALBW Link)*

Metroid
-Samus
-Zero Suit
-Ridley*

Star Fox
-Fox
-Falco
-Krystal*

Kirby
-Kirby
-King Dedede
-Meta Knight
-Prince Puff* (low chance but Kirby probably deserves 4 characters)

Fire Emblem
-Marth
-Chrom*
-Ike (though Chrom may replace Ike)

Kid Icarus
-Pit
-Paletuna* (I know I spelled that wrong)

F-Zero
-C. Falcon

Pokemon
-Pikachu
-Jigglypuff
-Pokemon Trainer
-Mewtwo/New Mewtwo incarnation*

Mother
-Ness
-Lucas

DK
-DK
-Diddy Kong
-Dixie Kong*

Yoshi
-Yoshi

Wario
-Wario

R.O.B.
-None (pretty sure he was one and done)

G&W
-Mr. G&W

Ice Climbers
-Ice Climbers

Animal Crossing
-Villager*

Wii Fit
-Wii Fit Trainer*

Third Party
-Mega Man*
-Sonic
Namco character (either PAC man or Lloyd)*

New franchises without a rep. yet
-Isaac/Felix/Matthew* from Golden Sun(one of them, my money's on Isaac)
-Shulk* from Xenoblade
-Little Mac* from Punch-Out!!
-Andy/a character* from Advanced Wars
-Saki* from Sin and Punishment
-Ray 01* from Custom Robo ( unlikely considering it's been a dormant series, but he'd be a perfect fit for Smash)
-Takamaru*

Obviously not expecting all these characters. The roster will probably be 45 max. Anyway tell me what you think.

* are new characters or characters that weren't in Brawl

 

[TumblrFamous]

My personal roster:


Obviously not expecting all these characters. The roster will probably be 45 max. Anyway tell me what you thinkl

It's pretty decent. Seems nice and solid. I'm just not sure about Krystal replacing Wolf, Dixie Kong being added, and Prince Fluff. Can you justify your character choices? 8.5/10

 

[CalumG]

Mostly a solid roster, however I'd replace Prince Puff with R.O.B. - R.O.B. is crucial to Nintendo's history. What has Prince Puff done?

 

[MagnesD3]

When I see wolf being cut in rosters my intelligence hurts.

 

[Flying walrus]

It's pretty decent. Seems nice and solid. I'm just not sure about Krystal replacing Wolf, Dixie Kong being added, and Prince Fluff. Can you justify your character choices? 8.5/10

Krystal and Wolf could go either way, but I say Krystal for two reasons: One, she's a girl, which I know isn't a good enough reason on its own, but in addition, two, she wouldn't be a clone. You can argue Wolf wasn't a clone but at the very least he was very similar to Fox and Falco. Krystal would be completely different. I can imagine her using a staff ala Star Fox Adventures (even though I really didn't like that game). In fact, Krystal, in a way, makes more sense than Fox since the game she debuted in had her actually fighting on the ground. Also, I just have a gut feeling Wolf is a one and done character, but maybe that's just me.

Dixie Kong is pretty simple. She's in the next DKCR so I feel as though she has priority over K. Rool

Prince Fluff (who I called Prince Puff, whoops) is a long shot but he'd be a unique character from a pretty successful game (which I personally loved). Either him or Bandanna Waddle Dee are viable new Kirby candidates, though my problem with Waddle Dee is the same problem I have with Toad: Too much like the generic enemies/NPCs from their respective games. Toad and Waddle Dee aren't really characters themselves; they're like species in their games.

Also I completely forgot Pikmin. I think it'll just be Olimar. MAYBE a new character from Pikmin 3 but doubtful.

 

[MagnesD3]

Krystal and Wolf could go either way, but I say Krystal for two reasons: One, she's a girl, which I know isn't a good enough reason on its own, but in addition, two, she wouldn't be a clone. You can argue Wolf wasn't a clone but at the very least he was very similar to Fox and Falco. Krystal would be completely different. I can imagine her using a staff ala Star Fox Adventures (even though I really didn't like that game). In fact, Krystal, in a way, makes more sense than Fox since the game she debuted in had her actually fighting on the ground. Also, I just have a gut feeling Wolf is a one and done character, but maybe that's just me.

Dixie Kong is pretty simple. She's in the next DKCR so I feel as though she has priority over K. Rool

Prince Fluff (who I called Prince Puff, whoops) is a long shot but he'd be a unique character from a pretty successful game (which I personally loved). Either him or Bandanna Waddle Dee are viable new Kirby candidates, though my problem with Waddle Dee is the same problem I have with Toad: Too much like the generic enemies/NPCs from their respective games. Toad and Waddle Dee aren't really characters themselves; their like species in their games.

Also I completely forgot Pikmin. I think it'll just be Olimar. MAYBE a new character from Pikmin 3 but doubtful.

Have you played any starfox games?

Terrible graphics but just look at this...

 

[CalumG]

When I see wolf being cut in rosters my intelligence hurts.

When it comes down to it, I think a lot of us simply don't feel as if Starfox needs three reps, considering how dormant it has been recently (and it probably didn't need three in Brawl for that matter). That, and some people want Krystal, but having four reps for Starfox would be bordering on ********.

So the question for a lot of people, whether they want Krystal as a third rep or just less Starfox reps altogether, is "Which Starfox rep could be most easily removed?". Unfortunately, the answer to that is usually Wolf due to Falco's seniority in the Smash series. That's why I removed Wolf from my roster at least; I'm simply not convinced that Starfox needs three characters, and I hardly think that's an unfair observation to make, considering how low down Wolf was on Brawl's list of priorities and how little the Starfox series has done with itself in the last 10 years.

 

[Flying walrus]

I don

Mostly a solid roster, however I'd replace Prince Puff with R.O.B. - R.O.B. is crucial to Nintendo's history. What has Prince Puff done?

I don't think R.O.B. is really all that crucial to Nintendo's history TBH. He didn't even debut in a game; he debuted OUTSIDE of one. And since then he hasn't actually been in a game unless you count his cameo in Mario Kart and maybe a few other minor appearances; at the very least he hasn't actually starred in his own game.

The only thing going for R.O.B. is his unique moveset, meaning, he doesn't have any clones, so you could argue he's not just a throwaway character. Still I see him as kind of a joke character. I imagine for the next Smash (ten years down the line) Wii Fit Trainer will be in the same situation. It seems like she's also kind of a one and done character.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Krystal and Wolf could go either way, but I say Krystal for two reasons: One, she's a girl, which I know isn't a good enough reason on its own, but in addition, two, she wouldn't be a clone. You can argue Wolf wasn't a clone but at the very least he was very similar to Fox and Falco. Krystal would be completely different. I can imagine her using a staff ala Star Fox Adventures (even though I really didn't like that game). In fact, Krystal, in a way, makes more sense than Fox since the game she debuted in had her actually fighting on the ground. Also, I just have a gut feeling Wolf is a one and done character, but maybe that's just me.

Dixie Kong is pretty simple. She's in the next DKCR so I feel as though she has priority over K. Rool

Prince Fluff (who I called Prince Puff, whoops) is a long shot but he'd be a unique character from a pretty successful game (which I personally loved). Either him or Bandanna Waddle Dee are viable new Kirby candidates, though my problem with Waddle Dee is the same problem I have with Toad: Too much like the generic enemies/NPCs from their respective games. Toad and Waddle Dee aren't really characters themselves; they're like species in their games.

Also I completely forgot Pikmin. I think it'll just be Olimar. MAYBE a new character from Pikmin 3 but doubtful.

I don't believe Prince Fluff should be in. The 3 we have should be fine. Besides, Sakurai wouldn't want to overrepresent his own series. Dixie Kong in the upcoming Donkey Kong game gives her zero priority over K. Rool. He's more relevant to the franchise as a whole. Tropical Freeze isn't even out yet. The new Smash games, drawing trends from the previous 3, will be basing new characters from games like the Wii and really early 3DS and Wii U. K. Rool is still more likely than Dixie being more relevant as THE villain of the franchise. And Krystal? No. Being a female is not justifiable, and any character can be unique if they really want them to.

Edit: And R.O.B.! Add him back, did not notice that! He should be back.