Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Flying walrus]

I don

Mostly a solid roster, however I'd replace Prince Puff with R.O.B. - R.O.B. is crucial to Nintendo's history. What has Prince Puff done?

I don't think R.O.B. is really all that crucial to Nintendo's history TBH. He didn't even debut in a game; he debuted OUTSIDE of one. And since then he hasn't actually been in a game unless you count his cameo in Mario Kart and maybe a few other minor appearances; at the very least he hasn't actually starred in his own game.

The only thing going for R.O.B. is his unique moveset, meaning, he doesn't have any clones, so you could argue he's not just a throwaway character. Still I see him as kind of a joke character. I imagine for the next Smash (ten years down the line) Wii Fit Trainer will be in the same situation. It seems like she's also kind of a one and done character.

Edit: Sorry double post. Is there a way to delete comments? I'm new here

 

[Reznor]

I don
I don't think R.O.B. is really all that crucial to Nintendo's history TBH. He didn't even debut in a game; he debuted OUTSIDE of one. And since then he hasn't actually been in a game unless you count his cameo in Mario Kart and maybe a few other minor appearances; at the very least he hasn't actually starred in his own game.

The only thing going for R.O.B. is his unique moveset, meaning, he doesn't have any clones, so you could argue he's not just a throwaway character. Still I see him as kind of a joke character. I imagine for the next Smash (ten years down the line) Wii Fit Trainer will be in the same situation. It seems like she's also kind of a one and done character.

Edit: Sorry double post. Is there a way to delete comments? I'm new here

R.O.B is one of the most important Nintendo characters ever stop saying he isn't

Krystal and Wolf could go either way, but I say Krystal for two reasons: One, she's a girl, which I know isn't a good enough reason on its own, but in addition, two, she wouldn't be a clone. You can argue Wolf wasn't a clone but at the very least he was very similar to Fox and Falco. Krystal would be completely different. I can imagine her using a staff ala Star Fox Adventures (even though I really didn't like that game). In fact, Krystal, in a way, makes more sense than Fox since the game she debuted in had her actually fighting on the ground. Also, I just have a gut feeling Wolf is a one and done character, but maybe that's just me.

Dixie Kong is pretty simple. She's in the next DKCR so I feel as though she has priority over K. Rool

Prince Fluff (who I called Prince Puff, whoops) is a long shot but he'd be a unique character from a pretty successful game (which I personally loved). Either him or Bandanna Waddle Dee are viable new Kirby candidates, though my problem with Waddle Dee is the same problem I have with Toad: Too much like the generic enemies/NPCs from their respective games. Toad and Waddle Dee aren't really characters themselves; they're like species in their games.

Also I completely forgot Pikmin. I think it'll just be Olimar. MAYBE a new character from Pikmin 3 but doubtful.

being a girl should not be an advantage of any kind even a small one

 

[CalumG]

I don
I don't think R.O.B. is really all that crucial to Nintendo's history TBH. He didn't even debut in a game; he debuted OUTSIDE of one. And since then he hasn't actually been in a game unless you count his cameo in Mario Kart and maybe a few other minor appearances; at the very least he hasn't actually starred in his own game.

The only thing going for R.O.B. is his unique moveset, meaning, he doesn't have any clones, so you could argue he's not just a throwaway character. Still I see him as kind of a joke character. I imagine for the next Smash (ten years down the line) Wii Fit Trainer will be in the same situation. It seems like she's also kind of a one and done character.

I wouldn't really call him a joke character, although I see what you're trying to say. Pichu was a joke character - Mr. Game and Watch and R.O.B. are Hardware Characters, which I'd argue is just as important to Nintendo as some of their high-flying all-star characters. Without R.O.B., there wouldn't even be a console market as we know it today, so we have him to thank for that. I wouldn't be completely adverse to removing R.O.B., but for him to be removed I'd want to see him replaced by another character like him - that is, a character who is crucially important to Nintendo's history, but in a non-traditional sense (as opposed to more obvious characters). That, and I can't really see what Prince Fluff has going for him.

I don't believe Prince Fluff should be in. The 3 we have should be fine. Besides, Sakurai wouldn't want to overrepresent his own series. Dixie Kong in the upcoming Donkey Kong game gives her zero priority over K. Rool. He's more relevant to the franchise as a whole. Tropical Freeze isn't even out yet. The new Smash games, drawing trends from the previous 3, will be basing new characters from games like the Wii and really early 3DS and Wii U. K. Rool is still more likely than Dixie being more relevant as THE villain of the franchise. And Krystal? No. Being a female is not justifiable, and any character can be unique if they really want them to.

I'll give you Krystal and Prince Fluff (which was basically just wishful thinking) but I'm sticking with Dixie. K. Rool hasn't even been in a game since Mario Sluggers, and before that he hasn't actually been a prominent part of a game since DK 64 (correct me if I'm wrong). I just feel as though Nintendo is sort of brushing him to the side, since the recent DK games make no reference to him. He's definitely possible, but I just feel as though Dixie is slightly more likely and I think her appearance in TF is a valid reason. TF will be released later this year while Smash 4 won't come 'til probably late 2014, which gives her plenty of time to gain back her popularity.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I think if anybody from the StarFox franchise had to be cut, it would be Falco.

 

[FalKoopa]

Edit: Sorry double post. Is there a way to delete comments? I'm new here

You can report the post. Also, avoid clicking the "Post Reply" button twice.

My main gripe against removing Wolf for Krystal is the comparatively mixed reception Krystal has received compared to Wolf.

As for who might be cut from StarFox, it will likely be Wolf. I believe every character that survived the "Melee" cuts aka made it Brawl, is safe.
Largely these ( ), who some people expect to be axed.

EDIT: Sorry for double post.

 

[MagnesD3]

When it comes down to it, I think a lot of us simply don't feel as if Starfox needs three reps, considering how dormant it has been recently (and it probably didn't need three in Brawl for that matter). That, and some people want Krystal, but having four reps for Starfox would be bordering on ********.

So the question for a lot of people, whether they want Krystal as a third rep or just less Starfox reps altogether, is "Which Starfox rep could be most easily removed?". Unfortunately, the answer to that is usually Wolf due to Falco's seniority in the Smash series. That's why I removed Wolf from my roster at least; I'm simply not convinced that Starfox needs three characters, and I hardly think that's an unfair observation to make, considering how low down Wolf was on Brawl's list of priorities and how little the Starfox series has done with itself in the last 10 years.

Then cut falco as he is less important to the lore for krystal, or better yet give star fox 4 characters. Cutting Wolf is so dumb as he is fox's rival.

My main gripe against removing Wolf for Krystal is the comparatively mixed reception Krystal has received compared to Wolf.

As for who might be cut from StarFox, it will likely be Wolf. I believe every character that survived the "Melee" cuts aka made it Brawl, is safe.
Largely these ( ), who some people expect to be axed.

EDIT: Sorry for double post.

Its funny because the only two who I could see getting cut are on your list (toon link and falco).

 

[TumblrFamous]

I'll give you Krystal and Prince Fluff (which was basically just wishful thinking) but I'm sticking with Dixie. K. Rool hasn't even been in a game since Mario Sluggers, and before that he hasn't actually been a prominent part of a game since DK 64 (correct me if I'm wrong). I just feel as though Nintendo is sort of brushing him to the side, since the recent DK games make no reference to him. He's definitely possible, but I just feel as though Dixie is slightly more likely and I think her appearance in TF is a valid reason. TF will be released later this year while Smash 4 won't come 'til probably late 2014, which gives her plenty of time to gain back her popularity.

K. Rool has been in the first 3 main platformers, all 3 Donkey Kong Land games, 64, Jungle Climber & King of Swing, Barrel Blast, and Sluggers as a Mario spinoff. Dixie was in DKC 2 and 3, soon to be in TF, DK Land 3, brief cameos in Jungle Climber and King of Swing, two Donkey Konga games, and an assortment of Mario spinoffs. For the main games, not counting the spinoffs, K. Rool has more. Altogether, Dixie has more. However, K. Rool's role as a character in the DK series is much greater than Dixie. They're both fine choices, but Tropical Freeze does not warrant anything. Its not even out yet! Sakurai can't draw anything from a few seconds of gameplay. And besides, even if Tropical Freeze made a difference, K. Rool could still be in the game, we just could not know it yet. I think I made my point.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I'd say cut none and just don't add Krystal.

 

[CalumG]

My main gripe against removing Wolf for Krystal is the comparatively mixed reception Krystal has received compared to Wolf.

As for who might be cut from StarFox, it will likely be Wolf. I believe every character that survived the "Melee" cuts aka made it Brawl, is safe.
Largely these ( ), who some people expect to be axed.

EDIT: Sorry for double post.

Agreed on all of this except for Toon Link. Firstly, I don't agree with the notion that Toon Link is somehow the same character as Young Link - though he could be considered as such on the technicality of being a lighter clone of Link, I'd say Young Link and Toon Link are undoubtedly their own characters. Toon Link was a newcomer, not a returning vet.

All technicalities aside however, I just have a dislike of Toon Link and having multiple incarnations of the same character in general. Plus I think it speaks volumes that most people never choose to play as Link once they've unlocked Toon Link - not because people like the variety of choosing between two different Links, but because people want to play as the best version of Link available. I know anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much, but every person I've ever known who has played as Toon Link has played as him because he's a superior version of Link, not because they have any opinions one way or another about Toon Link's games. Apply similar buffs to regular Link and we won't need a second, more capable Link in the first place.

 

[Reznor]

Then cut falco as he is less important to the lore for krystal, or better yet give star fox 4 characters. Cutting Wolf is so dumb as he is fox's rival.


Its funny because the only two who I could see getting cut are on your list (toon link and falco).

Falco is a 2 time veteran and is more important than krystal
just because shes Foxs girlfriend doesn't make her important

K. Rool has been in the first 3 main platformers, all 3 Donkey Kong Land games, 64, Jungle Climber & King of Swing, Barrel Blast, and Sluggers as a Mario spinoff. Dixie was in DKC 2 and 3, soon to be in TF, DK Land 3, brief cameos in Jungle Climber and King of Swing, two Donkey Konga games, and an assortment of Mario spinoffs. For the main games, not counting the spinoffs, K. Rool has more. Altogether, Dixie has more. However, K. Rool's role as a character in the DK series is much greater than Dixie. They're both fine choices, but Tropical Freeze does not warrant anything. Its not even out yet! Sakurai can't draw anything from a few seconds of gameplay. And besides, even if Tropical Freeze made a difference, K. Rool could still be in the game, we just could not know it yet. I think I made my point.

he could be in game but Dixie is just more likely and you are forgetting King K. Rool is too big

 

[MagnesD3]

I'd say cut none and just don't add Krystal.

Or just add krystal (or cut falco for her Id take that).

 

[TumblrFamous]

Falco is a 2 time veteran and is more important than krystal
just because shes Foxs girlfriend doesn't make her important



he could be in game but Dixie is just more likely and you are forgetting King K. Rool is too big

If you're slightly bigger than Bowser and haven't appeared in game in a few years, than there is NO way you can be in Smash.

 

[Hotfeet444]

If you're slightly bigger than Bowser and haven't appeared in game in a few years, than there is NO way you can be in Smash.

K.Rool bigger than Bowser? You sure about that?

 

[FalKoopa]

Agreed on all of this except for Toon Link. Firstly, I don't agree with the notion that Toon Link is somehow the same character as Young Link - though he could be considered as such on the technicality of being a lighter clone of Link, I'd say Young Link and Toon Link are undoubtedly their own characters. Toon Link was a newcomer, not a returning vet.

I should have clarified there. There will likely be a 2nd child Link (not necessarily Toon Link, though.)

 

[Reznor]

Or just add krystal (or cut falco for her Id take that).

4 Starfox characters is way too many the only ones have 4 characters are the 3 biggest franchises Mario,Zelda and Pokemon
Storfox is not on their level 3 characters is generous

 

[TumblrFamous]

K.Rool bigger than Bowser? You sure about that?

Okay, Bowser in his size for the Smash games. Sorry I wasn't being so clear.

 

[MagnesD3]

Falco is a 2 time veteran and is more important than krystal
just because shes Foxs girlfriend doesn't make her important



he could be in game but Dixie is just more likely and you are forgetting King K. Rool is too big

Krystal is more important but I agree it is argue able, falco maybe a better skilled pilot but krystal is more important to the lore of certain star fox games, being fox's gf is important, shes a telepath, a staff wielder, shes been playable in a game before, and been a goal in the plot of a starfox game. It is extremely debatable that krystal is more important than falco and vice versa. Ultimately Id like to see her moveset come into the game as well over falco's who is a clone.

 

[CalumG]

I should have clarified there. There will likely be a 2nd child Link (not necessarily Toon Link, though.)

Yup... it's a shame really, that roster spot could go to someone far more deserving yet Sakurai seems dead-set on having two Links in each installment. Not a bad thing by any means, just a personal gripe of mine.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Or just add krystal (or cut falco for her Id take that).

but Star Fox shouldn't have 4 characters. Heck, Star Fox getting 3 in Brawl was really pushing it.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Okay, Bowser in his size for the Smash games. Sorry I wasn't being so clear.

That's better. (Pats head)

 

[MagnesD3]

4 Starfox characters is way too many the only ones have 4 characters are the 3 biggest franchises Mario,Zelda and Pokemon
Storfox is not on their level 3 characters is generous

Well the thing is sakurai has never put a limit on a character bases for a series based on popularity, it is only us the fans that has made up that arbitrary system...

 

[FalKoopa]

being fox's gf is important

Oh really?

 

[MagnesD3]

Oh really?

Peach, (but I guess you could argue that she is being rescued everytime and thats the real reason so maybe it isnt that important but hey krystal has been a plot point for rescuing before). Ok maybe that isnt a great point, but the other ones are good.

 

[Reznor]

Peach, (but I guess you could argue that she is being rescued everytime and thats the real reason so maybe it isnt that important but hey krystal has been a plot point for rescuing before). Ok maybe that isnt a great point, but the other ones are good.

peach has her own game and does things in tons of spin offs that are important she isn't just "marios gf"

Well the thing is sakurai has never put a limit on a character bases for a series based on popularity, it is only us the fans that has made up that arbitrary system...

considering the only franchises that got 4 characters are the biggest I think its safe to say it is slightly based on popularity

Krystal is more important but I agree it is argue able, falco maybe a better skilled pilot but krystal is more important to the lore of certain star fox games, being fox's gf is important, shes a telepath, a staff wielder, shes been playable in a game before, and been a goal in the plot of a starfox game. It is extremely debatable that krystal is more important than falco and vice versa. Ultimately Id like to see her moveset come into the game as well over falco's who is a clone.

Falco is playable in a ton of games (mostly multiplayer though) and most of what makes her important is in 1 game that is one of the most hated 1st party nintendo games

 

[Autumn ♫]

I think that Krystal should just stay the freak out. Falco's got the popularity and Wolf's got the importance, Krystal is pretty hated and isn't nearly as important as Wolf so, just keep Krystal out.

 

[FalKoopa]

Well the thing is sakurai has never put a limit on a character bases for a series based on popularity, it is only us the fans that has made up that arbitrary system...

Actually it's not that arbitrary. It's based on one of Sakurai's four criteria "The character must contribute to series balance."

Looking at the three Smash games, 2nd banana characters seem to have an edge over villains and damsels-in-distress.
are examples.

 

[MagnesD3]

peach has her own game and does things in tons of spin offs that are important she isn't just "marios gf"



considering the only franchises that got 4 characters are the biggest I think its safe to say it is slightly based on popularity



Falco is playable in a ton of games (mostly multiplayer though) and most of what makes her important is in 1 game that is one of the most hated 1st party nintendo games

Actually multiplayer doesnt count, only main game for being playable. Also just because you hate sfa doesnt mean its one of the most hated first party games, I also believe it would be second party since rare developed it, sfa is only hated as a star fox title.

I think that Krystal should just stay the freak out. Falco's got the popularity and Wolf's got the importance, Krystal is pretty hated and isn't nearly as important as Wolf so, just keep Krystal out.

She may have a hate group but she has a large fan base just look at the various polls if you dont believe me, krystal is the last star fox character that needs to be in.

 

[Reznor]

Actually multiplayer doesnt count, only main game for being playable.

isn't krystal only playable for a very short time

 

[FalKoopa]

Actually multiplayer doesnt count, only main game for being playable.

I guess Luigi should not have been in Smash 64 then.

 

[MagnesD3]

I guess Luigi should not have in Smash 64 then.

you know what im saying, hes trying to compare a multiplayer character as being playable compared to a character being playable in single player mode and being important to the plot. You know that. Luigi has a ton of other merits, and doesnt belong in my comparison.

isn't krystal only playable for a very short time

True, but that is better than no time.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I guess Luigi should not have in Smash 64 then.

You're so sassy, I love it.

 

[Reznor]

you know what im saying, hes trying to compare a multiplayer character as being playable compared to a character being playable in single player mode and being important to the plot. You know that. Luigi has a ton of other merits, and doesnt belong in my comparison.

I still don't see why a Multiplayer only character can't be more important than a character that is playble for 5 min

 

[FalKoopa]

you know what im saying, hes trying to compare a multiplayer character as being playable compared to a character being playable in single player mode and being important to the plot. You know that. Luigi has a ton of other merits, and doesnt belong in my comparison.

My point still stands. Luigi had no importance to the plot of any of the Mario games until Luigi's Mansion.

 

[MagnesD3]

I still don't see why a Multiplayer only character can't be more important than a character that is playble for 5 min

Im not saying that it cant be but im saying falco doesnt have enough merit compared to krystal, but like I said you can argue this till the cows come home, Id honestly say krystal is only a little more important than falco but hey Ill take it if it means shes in.

My point still stands. Luigi had no importance to the plot of any of the Mario games until Luigi's Mansion.

Luigi was playable and super iconic, and he actually had his own game before that mario's missing, so yeah, your point doesnt stand at all. (there are more reasons than this for his inclusion as well)

 

[Autumn ♫]

True, but that is better than no time.

That would be like saying Magnus should be playable since he was seen and playable in Uprising for a short time.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Why are the Krystal fans so ****ing stupid and desperate?

 

[MagnesD3]

That would be like saying Magnus should be playable since he was seen and playable in Uprising for a short time.

Magnes is from a new series, (idk if he is a main plot point I havnt played uprising yet), and you play krystal at the very beginning of the game, she has been in multiple games, etc. she has way more merit than him.

 

[Reznor]

Why are the Krystal fans so ****ing stupid and desperate?

because the only people who want krystal only want her because she looks "hot" and no other reason and there is no real reason she should be in game
Geno fans and Krystal fans are all the same

 

[MagnesD3]

Why are the Krystal fans so ****ing stupid and desperate?

Why are you so ignorant and hateful. It only looks desperate when your in a room full of krystal haters, my points are valid (except the gf one).

because the only people who want krystal only want her because she looks "hot" and no other reason and there is no real reason she should be in game
Geno fans and Krystal fans are all the same

The polls dont lie good sir, its also ignorant to discriminate.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Magnes is from a new series, (idk if he is a main plot point I havnt played uprising yet), and you play krystal at the very beginning of the game, she has been in multiple games, etc. she has way more merit than him.

Kid Icarus isn't new. You meet Magnus at the very beginning play as him in the middle and fight him at the end, and if you want to say that Kid Icarus is a new series, that means that Magnus hasn't had the chance to appear in multiple games.