Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[FalKoopa]

Luigi was playable and super iconic, and he actually had his own game before that mario's missing, so yeah, your point doesnt stand at all. (there are more reasons than this for his inclusion as well)

Magnes is from a new series, (idk if he is a main plot point I havnt played uprising yet), and you play krystal at the very beginning of the game, she has been in multiple games, etc. she has way more merit than him.

I can't help but think that you're making up these arguments.

Also, how is Magnus from a new series? Kid Icarus began in 1986!

 

[Reznor]

The polls dont lie good sir, its also ignorant to discriminate.

I've seen polls were Sora is the most requested

 

[MagnesD3]

Kid Icarus isn't new. You meet Magnus at the very beginning play as him in the middle and fight him at the end, and if you want to say that Kid Icarus is a new series, that means that Magnus hasn't had the chance to appear in multiple games.

Actually I totally forgot the old stuff lol (in my head I just see new pit), is magnes important to the plot (no spoilers plz) krystal was a main plot point, also was magnes interesting, look like he would have a cool moveset, and would seem to be a recurring main character later on? (i need to play the game that way I could have a better chat on the matter.)

I've seen polls were Sora is the most requested

Sora is cool (but improbable) but in truth mewtwo leads the pack. Sora is way behind...

 

[TumblrFamous]

I've seen polls were Sora is the most requested

I've seen that too. My inner fanboy was screaming in glee, but the logical me was all like, "no".

I don't think I could have worded that any better than that right there.

Actually I totally forgot the old stuff lol (in my head I just see new pit), is magnes important to the plot (no spoilers plz) krystal was a main plot point, also was magnes interesting, look like he would have a cool moveset, and would seem to be a recurring main character later on? (i need to play the game that way I could have a better chat on the matter.)

So you're just assuming things for a game you've never played?

 

[Reznor]

Sora is cool (but improbable) but in truth mewtwo leads the pack. Sora is way behind...

Krystal is also improbable thats the point

 

[CalumG]

Polls don't mean jack. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Sakurai knows whats good for the roster better than we do. If you looked at it on character popularity and polls alone, we'd have a roster with Geno, Waluigi, Krystal, Ghirahim, Skull Kid, more Fire Emblem characters than I care to count, Lloyd Irving, Knuckle Joe and a fair share of other characters. Are any of them bad ideas individually? No - each of them have their redeeming factors and good points about them - but if the new additions to the roster were primarily the ones who are topping the polls rather than the interesting choices, the newcomer franchises and the actual crucial all-star characters, I think I'd have to bow out of the Smash series for good.

 

[MagnesD3]

So you're just assuming things for a game you've never played?

Well I kinda have to man, Im just giving examples of why krystal is important, he is giving an example of magnes that is similar which is why I asked him more questions on the validity of the character as I havnt got the chance to play the game yet.

Krystal is also improbable thats the point

Krystal is not that improbable, her chances are 50/50 at this point, sora's is like 10/90 lol, just because you dont like her doesnt make her improbably, but I do think her inclusion is kind of a coin flip, it will all be on sakurai's shoulders to make the choice.

Polls don't mean jack. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Sakurai knows whats good for the roster better than we do. If you looked at it on character popularity and polls alone, we'd have a roster with Geno, Waluigi, Krystal, Ghirahim, Skull Kid, more Fire Emblem characters than I care to count, Lloyd Irving, Knuckle Joe and a fair share of other characters. Are any of them bad ideas individually? No - each of them have their redeeming factors and good points about them - but if the new additions to the roster were primarily the ones who are topping the polls rather than the interesting choices, the newcomer franchises and the actual crucial all-star characters, I think I'd have to bow out of the Smash series for good.

look at the pools krystal is the only one out of those characters you listed in the upper tier, thats the difference (however I do agree sakurai has his own process of choosing characters.)

 

[Autumn ♫]

Actually I totally forgot the old stuff lol (in my head I just see new pit), is magnes important to the plot (no spoilers plz) krystal was a main plot point, also was magnes interesting, look like he would have a cool moveset, and would seem to be a recurring main character later on? (i need to play the game that way I could have a better chat on the matter.)

He was fairly important, he wasn't quite as important as Pit, Dark Pit, Viridi, Palutena, or Mudusa but he was fairly important. If Sakarai made another Kid Icarus game, it seems likely that he would appear again.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Let's just leave the Starfox characters alone...

How about that?

Pretty sure just having these guys would make the majority happy.

 

[Reznor]

Well I kinda have to man, Im just giving examples of why krystal is important, he is giving an example of magnes that is similar which is why I asked him more questions on the validity of the character as I havnt got the chance to play the game yet.



Krystal is not that improbable, her chances are 50/50 at this point, sora's is like 10/90 lol, just because you dont like her doesnt make her improbably, but I do think her inclusion is kind of a coin flip, it will all be on sakurai's shoulders to make the choice.

krystals chances are not 50/50 they are way lower but if you think they are 50/50 explain why Starfox should get 4 characters

 

[CalumG]

look at the pools krystal is the only one out of those characters you listed in the upper tier, thats the difference (however I do agree sakurai has his own process of choosing characters.)

Let it be known that I'm talking of polls in general, internationally and going all the way back to the pre-Melee days. The poll that is among the stickied threads is by no means the first poll Smash has had, nor will it be the last, or the most accurate (us as Smashboarders being a niche compared to the wider scope of people who play Smash overall).

 

[MagnesD3]

Let's just leave the Starfox characters alone...

How about that?

Pretty sure just having these guys would make the majority happy.

Add krystal in ssb4 and I will be completely happy with the sf series representation, they would never need anyone else (probably).

krystals chances are not 50/50 they are way lower but if you think they are 50/50 explain why Starfox should get 4 characters

Popularity, unique moveset, she's important to the series, has recurring game appearances, and has been playable as well as a major plot point in one of the games (and presumably the future). The negatives against her are really the fact that she didnt make it in brawl (when her popularity peaked.) and the fact that there hasnt been a new sf game since the remake sf643d. So its a coin toss.

 

[Reznor]

Popularity, unique moveset, she's important to the series, has recurring game appearances, and has been playable as well as a major plot point in one of the games (and presumably the future). The negatives against her are really the fact that she didnt make it in brawl and the fact that there hasnt been a new sf game since the remake sf643d. So its a coin toss.

I mean why should Starfox have 4 reps the biggest rason why she shouldn't get in is because 4 starfox reps is way too many

there are more important characters (slippy and peppy)
any character can have a unique moveset
there are characters that are more important than her (slippy comes to mind)
many characters are recurring characters
she was important to 1 game that is considered one of the worst 1st party nintendo games

 

[CalumG]

I mean why should Starfox have 4 reps the biggest rason why she shouldn't get in is because 4 starfox reps is way too many

This.

Having 3 Starfox characters was already a push in Brawl - Starfox may go down in reps, it may stay at three, or it may have one of its current three reps replaced with a new one, but I think the one certainty we can say about Starfox in Smash 4 is that it will not get an increased number of characters. 4 characters for Starfox is absurd (well personally I think 3 is absurd but other beg to differ).

 

[FlareHabanero]

Let's just leave the Starfox characters alone...

How about that?

Pretty sure just having these guys would make the majority happy.

NO WE MUST HAVE OUR BLUNT SEXUAL PANDERING BECAUSE **** YOU WE WANT TO JACK OFF TO BLUE FOX BOOBS.

Oh, and something about gameplay I guess, BUT FOX BREASTS HOLY ****.

 

[mimgrim]

Eh, Krystal getting in as a 4th SF character isn't improbably as SF has gotten a new rep with each new installment of Smash games. And this whole debate of should X series get X reps because it isn't as popular is really stupid imo. Honestly I really doubt Sakurai even cares about over repping series or anything like that. I mena for crying out loud Pokemon has 6 reps in Brawl and LoZ has 5 reps in Brawl. More then what Mario has. And don't spout the BS of Sakurai only counting the roster slots. You have no way in hell of knowing that unless you are Sakurai, and since Sakurai actually considers Brawl to have like 40-42 characters (I forget th actual number) making it safer to presume that LoZ and Pokemon has 5 and 6 reps instead of respectivly. So yea SF getting 4 characters isn't our of the realm of possibilty and is actually more probable to happen then people think. .-.

 

[FalKoopa]

Popularity, unique moveset, she's important to the series, has recurring game appearances, and has been playable as well as a major plot point in one of the games (and presumably the future). The negatives against her are really the fact that she didnt make it in brawl (when her popularity peaked.) and the fact that there hasnt been a new sf game since the remake sf643d. So its a coin toss.

Thing is, the points you make in Krystal's favour are shared by too many characters:
Bowser Jr.
Toad
Paper Mario
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool
Ridley
Waddle Dee
Zoroark
Genesect
Samurai Goroh
Black Shadow
Palutena
Medusa
etc. etc.

The list could go on and on. Why should Krystal be given priority over even half of these characters?

 

[MagnesD3]

I mean why should Starfox have 4 reps the biggest rason why she shouldn't get in is because 4 starfox reps is way too many

there are more important characters (slippy and peppy)
any character can have a unique moveset
there are characters that are more important than her (slippy comes to mind)
many characters are recurring characters
she was important to 1 game that is considered one of the worst 1st party nintendo games

Slippy and peppy are not more important, I like the dudes but cmon ones retired and ones a mechanic who sucks at flying. 4 characters is fine for the series, they have gotten a rep every game, I think 1 more is suited. Off topic but I also think FE should get 4 eventually (if not in ssb4.)

NO WE MUST HAVE OUR BLUNT SEXUAL PANDERING BECAUSE **** YOU WE WANT TO JACK OFF TO BLUE FOX BOOBS.

Oh, and something about gameplay I guess, BUT FOX BREASTS HOLY ****.

Are you 12?

 

[FalKoopa]

Slippy and peppy are not more important, I like the dudes but cmon ones retired and ones a mechanic who sucks at flying..

The underlined part makes him more important than Falco if you think about it. If Slippy fails to fix the arwings....

 

[TumblrFamous]

Are you 12?

Actually, he was making a very blunt and accurate remark towards the Krystal fanbase, mainly because that most of the people in it fawn over the fact that there is undeniably visible cleavage.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Are you 12?

I find this funnier than I should...

You think anyone who uses the word "pandering" correctly in a sentence is 12?

 

[CalumG]

Eh, Krystal getting in as a 4th SF character isn't improbably as SF has gotten a new rep with each new installment of Smash games. And this whole debate of should X series get X reps because it isn't as popular is really stupid imo. Honestly I really doubt Sakurai even cares about over repping series or anything like that. I mena for crying out loud Pokemon has 6 reps in Brawl and LoZ has 5 reps in Brawl. More then what Mario has. And don't spout the BS of Sakurai only counting the roster slots. You have no way in hell of knowing that unless you are Sakurai, and since Sakurai actually considers Brawl to have like 40-42 characters (I forget th actual number) making it safer to presume that LoZ and Pokemon has 5 and 6 reps instead of respectivly. So yea SF getting 4 characters isn't our of the realm of possibilty and is actually more probable to happen then people think. .-.

I think it's safe to say that Pokemon Trainer counts as a single character on account of it being, you know, a single character. Pokemon Trainer appears as a single character on the roster, appears as a single character in All-Star mode and so on. Pokemon Trainer's switching mechanic was specifically designed the way it is to bind those three Pokemon - you can't just play as one because of the stamina mechanic, so in that sense, Pokemon Trainer is one character, not three.

Now in terms of development time and resources? Yes, I'm sure Sakurai considers Brawl to have 39 characters, because of the nature of developing the game. From a development standpoint, he considers Brawl to have 39 characters, but from a representation standpoint it goes without saying that he limited each of the big three series' to four characters for a reason.

 

[MagnesD3]

Thing is, the points you make in Krystal's favour are shared by too many characters:
Bowser Jr.
Toad
Paper Mario
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool
Ridley
Waddle Dee
Zoroark
Genesect
Samurai Goroh
Black Shadow
Palutena
Medusa
etc. etc.

The list could go on and on. Why should Krystal be given priority over even half of these characters?

Well quite a few of the characters on your list are very viable picks, I did say 50/50, I mean clearly ridley and K. rool as well as Jr. and dixie have her beat for getting in chance wise, like is said I think its a coin flip if she gets in this time or not.

 

[Reznor]

Slippy and peppy are not more important, I like the dudes but cmon ones retired and ones a mechanic who sucks at flying. 4 characters is fine for the series, they have gotten a rep every game, I think 1 more is suited. Off topic but I also think FE should get 4 eventually (if not in ssb4.)

Slippy has been in every game and is the reason why fox and his friends can even fly
4 characters is too much for a series that died years ago

Eh, Krystal getting in as a 4th SF character isn't improbably as SF has gotten a new rep with each new installment of Smash games. And this whole debate of should X series get X reps because it isn't as popular is really stupid imo. Honestly I really doubt Sakurai even cares about over repping series or anything like that. I mena for crying out loud Pokemon has 6 reps in Brawl and LoZ has 5 reps in Brawl. More then what Mario has. And don't spout the BS of Sakurai only counting the roster slots. You have no way in hell of knowing that unless you are Sakurai, and since Sakurai actually considers Brawl to have like 40-42 characters (I forget th actual number) making it safer to presume that LoZ and Pokemon has 5 and 6 reps instead of respectivly. So yea SF getting 4 characters isn't our of the realm of possibilty and is actually more probable to happen then people think. .-.

doesn't every one on this site say don't look for patterns
Sakurai says that transformation characters are their own character but the screen select says different
if Sakurai said Mario was a Zelda character would that make it true?

 

[Autumn ♫]

Eh, Krystal getting in as a 4th SF character isn't improbably as SF has gotten a new rep with each new installment of Smash games. And this whole debate of should X series get X reps because it isn't as popular is really stupid imo. Honestly I really doubt Sakurai even cares about over repping series or anything like that. I mena for crying out loud Pokemon has 6 reps in Brawl and LoZ has 5 reps in Brawl. More then what Mario has. And don't spout the BS of Sakurai only counting the roster slots. You have no way in hell of knowing that unless you are Sakurai, and since Sakurai actually considers Brawl to have like 40-42 characters (I forget th actual number) making it safer to presume that LoZ and Pokemon has 5 and 6 reps instead of respectivly. So yea SF getting 4 characters isn't our of the realm of possibilty and is actually more probable to happen then people think. .-.

Well, if we go by patterns like you are doing. Smash 64 had 2 Pokemon and 2 Mario being the 2 biggest franchises, Melee had 4 Pokemon and Zelda being the 2nd and 3rd biggest and Mario had 5 being the biggest. In Brawl Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda had 3 being the big 3, so it would be an intelligent guess that he counts slots for balance.

 

[MagnesD3]

Actually, he was making a very blunt and accurate remark towards the Krystal fanbase, mainly because that most of the people in it fawn over the fact that there is undeniably visible cleavage.

Maybe the online fanbase but not a huge portion of the smash fanbase, discrimination and ignorance go hand in hand.

I find this funnier than I should...


You think anyone who uses the word "pandering" correctly in a sentence is 12?

Ok Ill bump him up 2 grades, 14 it is.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Maybe the online fanbase but not a huge portion of the smash fanbase, discrimination and ignorance go hand in hand.

Are you the person that watched first hand a fanbase crash straight first into a brick wall for all of the wrong reasons and bloating expectations out of proportion, even to the point of discrimination?

 

[TumblrFamous]

Maybe the online fanbase but not a huge portion of the smash fanbase, discrimination and ignorance go hand in hand.

You'd be surprised. And he's not acting immature. He wrote in a tone and style of voice so simpletons can understand the satire and humor in it. Obviously not everyone got it.

 

[mimgrim]

I think it's safe to say that Pokemon Trainer counts as a single character on account of it being, you know, a single character. Pokemon Trainer appears as a single character on the roster, appears as a single character in All-Star mode and so on. Pokemon Trainer's switching mechanic was specifically designed the way it is to bind those three Pokemon - you can't just play as one because of the stamina mechanic, so in that sense, Pokemon Trainer is one character, not three.

Now in terms of development time and resources? Yes, I'm sure Sakurai considers Brawl to have 39 characters, because of the nature of developing the game. From a development standpoint, he considers Brawl to have 39 characters, but from a representation standpoint it goes without saying that he limited each of the big three series' to four characters for a reason.

Where is your proof that he considers it like that? Pokemon Trainer is 3 characters plain and simple. Sakurai said himself he considers Brawl to have 39 characters meaning he counts Pokemon Trainer as 3. And he said nothing about it being from a development stand point and when people say this they are talking out of their ass plain and simple. There is more evidence to support what I said then there is for the the whole "Sakurai only counts the what is shown on the roster" when he has said no such think making it safer to presume the Pokemon has 6 reps instead of 4 because he considers Brawl to have 39 characters.

doesn't every one on this site say don't look for patterns
Sakurai says that transformation characters are their own character but the screen select says different
if Sakurai said Mario was a Zelda character would that make it true?

So you are saying that something the creator himself said on his own game isn't true because the game only shows X amount of things? That is bull**** right there. And Mario being called a Zelda character is entirely different. Stop talking out of your ass.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Well, if we go by patterns like you are doing. Smash 64 had 2 Pokemon and 2 Mario being the 2 biggest franchises, Melee had 4 Pokemon and Zelda being the 2nd and 3rd biggest and Mario had 5 being the biggest. In Brawl Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda had 3 being the big 3, so it would be an intelligent guess that he counts slots for balance.

You mean 4 in Brawl, and I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[MagnesD3]

Are you the person that watched first hand a fanbase crash straight first into a brick wall for all of the wrong reasons and bloating expectations out of proportion, even to the point of discrimination?

Ill be honest im not following you here. I just love star fox so much

 

[Reznor]

So you are saying that something the creator himself said on his own game isn't true because the game only shows X amount of things? That is bull**** right there. And Mario being called a Zelda character is entirely different. Stop talking out of your ***.

yes just because the creator says something doesn't make it a fact if I draw a picture of a tree and say its a dog does that make it a dog?
and if you disagree with the Mario being called a Zelda character thing than say why its wrong instead of saying i'm talking out my ass

 

[CalumG]

Where is your proof that he considers it like that? Pokemon Trainer is 3 characters plain and simple. Sakurai said himself he considers Brawl to have 39 characters meaning he counts Pokemon Trainer as 3. And he said nothing about it being from a development stand point and when people say this they are talking out of their *** plain and simple. There is more evidence to support what I said then there is for the the whole "Sakurai only counts the what is shown on the roster" when he has said no such think making it safer to presume the Pokemon has 6 reps instead of 4 because he considers Brawl to have 39 characters

http://www.smashbros.com/wii/en_uk/characters/pokemon_trainer.html

You'd do well to read the Dojo sometime (because it seems clear you haven't). It's pretty clear through his manner of talking that he considers the Pokemon Trainer to be three characters unified into one. In fact, this quote says it all:

I guess you could say using this character is like playing three for the price of one!

Done and done. Three characters, except they're not three characters - they're one character. Straight from the mouth of Sakurai.

 

[mimgrim]

Well, if we go by patterns like you are doing. Smash 64 had 2 Pokemon and 2 Mario being the 2 biggest franchises, Melee had 4 Pokemon and Zelda being the 2nd and 3rd biggest and Mario had 5 being the biggest. In Brawl Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda had 3 being the big 3, so it would be an intelligent guess that he counts slots for balance.

Yea, that isn't a pattern. A pattern is something that is added at a consitent rate or a combantion of the 2 the is repeated. For what you said to become a pattern the next Smash game would need to only had 2 Mario characters and 2 Pokemon character and repeat the proccess because otherwise the transgression from 64 to Melee to Brawl for Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda is to inconsitent for there to even be a patter.

 

[MagnesD3]

Btw I hope they complicate the mechanics of Red further, (like healing, different switching properties, faster manual switch) idk I feel they could make red really feel like three characters if there was a better incentive to switch pokemon.

 

[Deleted member]

Even though I am neutral on Krystal's addition now (though it's 4th character or not at all; and the latter is very much likely at this point in time), I still cringe whenever someone tries to argue how Krystal is so important to the series, especially for bull**** reasons like "Fox's girlfriend" or "she was playable for a short while at the beginning of Adventures".

Candy Kong and Kafei for Smash 4, by that logic.

First, it was argued against Slippy, despite Slippy being Fox's childhood friend and the team's mechanic (and is the reason the team even has functioning ships and weapons in the first place).
Now I constantly see Magnes say she's more important than Falco, who is:

-Fox's "bro" (close friend; possibly best friend)
-the 2nd-in-command member of the team as well as the ace pilot (which is more important to a team of pilots than a "telepath")
-one of the most popular characters of the franchise after Fox himself (and no, Wolf's popularity didn't shoot up until after Assault)

And even has a spin-off manga dedicated to him, his past, and his absence in-between 64 and Adventures.

Honestly, I'm getting real sick of it to the point that I'm considering going anti-Krystal again.


EDIT: And then there's the equally ******** "pattern" that Smash has added a new Star Fox character in every release.

....except that would mean that Krystal's or any other SF character's addition is low priority or decided much later. As well as that would mean Krystal would undeniably have the same type of Special moves as Fox.
That's of course, going by patterns.

 

[mimgrim]

yes just because the creator says something doesn't make it a fact if I draw a picture of a tree and say its a dog does that make it a dog?
and if you disagree with the Mario being called a Zelda character thing than say why its wrong instead of saying i'm talking out my ***

Yes it is a dog because you drew it and it can be whatever the hell you want it to be. Whenever someone creates something they have full control to say anything on what they made and what it can be called. The difference with your Mario and Zelda example is that Sakurai didn't create Mario or Zelda meaning he can group one in with another as the same series because he didn't create them. However he certainly did create Smash and can say w/e the frick he wants about it and what he considers it to be.

http://www.smashbros.com/wii/en_uk/characters/pokemon_trainer.html

You'd do well to read the Dojo sometime (because it seems clear you haven't). It's pretty clear through his manner of talking that he considers the Pokemon Trainer to be three characters unified into one. In fact, this quote says it all:



Done and done. Three characters, except they're not three characters - they're one character. Straight from the mouth of Sakurai.

Key words in the quote, "guee", "could", "like", and "for the price of one". That doesn't prove anything, considering he specifically said in a interview he considers Brawl to have 39 characters meaning he himself doesn't consider them as one character.

 

[MagnesD3]

Even though I am neutral on Krystal's addition now (though it's 4th character or not at all; and the latter is very much likely at this point in time), I still cringe whenever someone tries to argue how Krystal is so important to the series, especially for bull**** reasons like "Fox's girlfriend" or "she was playable for a short while at the beginning of Adventures".

Candy Kong and Kafei for Smash 4, by that logic.

First, it was argued against Slippy, despite Slippy being Fox's childhood friend and the team's mechanic (and is the reason the team even has functioning ships and weapons in the first place).
Now I constantly see Magnes say she's more important than Falco, who is:

-Fox's "bro" (close friend; possibly best friend)
-the 2nd-in-command member of the team as well as the ace pilot (which is more important to a team of pilots than a "telepath")
-one of the most popular characters of the franchise after Fox himself (and no, Wolf's popularity didn't shoot up until after Assault)

And even has a spin-off manga dedicated to him, his past, and his absence in-between 64 and Adventures.

Honestly, I'm getting real sick of it to the point that I'm considering going anti-Krystal again.

I agree the gf reason was not great (as pointed out earlier), and we have already had the krystal vs. falco debacle so I try not to bring it up since it goes nowhere.

 

[Reznor]

Yes it is a dog because you drew it and it can be whatever the hell you want it to be. Whenever someone creates something they have full control to say anything on what they made and what it can be called. The difference with your Mario and Zelda example is that Sakurai didn't create Mario or Zelda meaning he can group one in with another as the same series because he didn't create them. However he certainly did create Smash and can say w/e the frick he wants about it and what he considers it to be.

no just because you make something doesn't mean it can be what ever you want it to be and since you don't seem to under stand that with art I have to use a real world example
If I bake a Cake and call it a Pizza is it a Pizza

Even though I am neutral on Krystal's addition now (though it's 4th character or not at all; and the latter is very much likely at this point in time), I still cringe whenever someone tries to argue how Krystal is so important to the series, especially for bull**** reasons like "Fox's girlfriend" or "she was playable for a short while at the beginning of Adventures".

Candy Kong and Kafei for Smash 4, by that logic.

First, it was argued against Slippy, despite Slippy being Fox's childhood friend and the team's mechanic (and is the reason the team even has functioning ships and weapons in the first place).
Now I constantly see Magnes say she's more important than Falco, who is:

-Fox's "bro" (close friend; possibly best friend)
-the 2nd-in-command member of the team as well as the ace pilot (which is more important to a team of pilots than a "telepath")
-one of the most popular characters of the franchise after Fox himself (and no, Wolf's popularity didn't shoot up until after Assault)

And even has a spin-off manga dedicated to him, his past, and his absence in-between 64 and Adventures.

Honestly, I'm getting real sick of it to the point that I'm considering going anti-Krystal again.


EDIT: And then there's the equally ******** "pattern" that Smash has added a new Star Fox character in every release.

....except that would mean that Krystal's or any other SF character's addition is low priority or decided much later. As well as that would mean Krystal would undeniably have the same type of Special moves as Fox.
That's of course, going by patterns.

do it the krystal fans are now dissing Falco and Slippy just to make kystal seem important

 

[CalumG]

Key words in the quote, "guee", "could", "like", and "for the price of one". That doesn't prove anything, considering he specifically said in a interview he considers Brawl to have 39 characters meaning he himself doesn't consider them as one character.

Using Sakurai's general manner of speech (his tendency to waffle with his words and use uncertain terms like "could" or "I guess") to try and disprove it is not really a legitimate argument. What is a legitimate argument is that he says "Three characters for the price of one". I don't think there's any doubt as to what that can mean - that although Pokemon Trainer is three characters in some sense, they were specifically designed to function under the umbrella of one character. That's pretty much the entire point of the character, and if you can't see that then I really don't see why we're even debating this.

Sheik and Zelda, at the very least, have seperate pages on the Dojo and can be played seperately from one another. Pokemon Trainer doesn't even have that, and you'd be suffering as a player if you tried to exclusively play as one of the three Pokemon. Same can be said for Zero Suit. If Pokemon Trainer is three characters, why don't each of the three have separate Dojo entries when Zero Suit/Samus do, and so do Zelda/Shiek?