Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[FalKoopa]

Hey guys....what exactly happened here?

A dog-fight over Krystal's "importance" and her chances.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Hey guys....what exactly happened here?

StarFox and Slot Balancing happened here.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I just saw this on the Arwingpedia for all Slippy fans (or what ever you want to call them) :

Due to Falco Lombardi only making a cameo appearance in Star Fox Adventures and Peppy's retirement from active duty in Star Fox: Assault, Slippy can be said to be the second most prominent character in the series, after Fox McCloud himself.

 

[Gune]

StarFox and Slot Balancing happened here.

A dog-fight over Krystal's "importance" and her chances.

Basically Star Fox arguments, mostly involving Krystal and Wolf.

Oh... sounds interesting? Kind of hate krystal to be honest so I wont perticipate.

 

[CalumG]

Removing Characters out of personal distaste or being semi-clones is not a good idea.

Semi-clones? Arguably, although I'd say Toon Link edges closer to the border of clone than semi-clone. He's certainly the closest thing to a full clone that Brawl has, and if they gave the best of his attributes to regular Link I doubt anybody would miss him.

Wave Race should still be an Assist Trophy, I don't know you intend to bring a speedboat into SSB and expect it to work on land, or have that character do anything else. Or why you think Wave Race is important enough to deserve a playable representative.

Understandable, though I should point out that I wasn't in any way calling Ryota likely - he's a personal choice.

As for Dillon and Mallo, and your intention to have characters that aren relatively popular to casual audiences, Sakurai isn't marketing this game to characters that the kids of this generation recognize because they didn't play older games, he's marketing it to hardcore Nintendo fans. Also how many people play a game doesn't really influence the chances, you can ask anybody here and they will tell you Takamaru is WAY more deserving then the eShop Characters.

You misunderstand. Sakurai is not aiming Smash Bros. at the "hardcore Nintendo fans". The quicker people realize that Smash is aimed at every Nintendo fan (Wii Fit Trainer and Villager say hello) and not aimed at Smashboards, the better. Anybody here could try to tell me that Takamaru is more deserving than eShop characters - and that's a fair opinion to have - but it's just an opinion at the end of the day and opinions don't make a character choice. And secondly, how many people play a game definitely influences a characters chances. Villager is pretty much the defining example, proving Sakurai is willing to put in characters not typically considered "natural fighters" if he considers them worthy, iconic, well-known or highly-played.

If your idea was to go for All-Stars you've done the exact opposite. You are missing the All-Stars and instead you have characters that may have sold well, but they are not up there with Nintendo's best franchises at all. These are the kinds of frachises that tend to be assist trophies, Murasame and XenoBlade are more important to Nintendo than those 2 eShop titles.

"Best" franchise, again, comes down to opinion. I'm gonna stop here because that was a personal roster and not a genuine roster prediction, but I really feel some people need to come to realize that characters like Takamaru are not necessarily the shoe-ins people make them out to be. That's not to say they don't have a chance - they all have fairly good chances - but outside of places like Smashboards, Takamaru (to keep rolling with that example) is not as popular as we think. In fact, I'll have to pull the links up again but evidence suggests that for a Japanese-only character, Takamaru's support in Japan itself is actually rather small. It's another case of character ideas being bounced around the online Nintendo echo-chamber to the point where we as the hardcore suspect them to be 'likely' choices when outside of our own communities, there is nothing that makes them more likely than any other character - especially when sales are involved.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Gee whizzical. Okay, well, to break the ice, does anyone have a new improved roster they'd like to share?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Are you guys STILL talking about Krystal and Starfox? Really? As much as I like the idea of Krystal getting in, it's not going to happen. Maybe she'll be considered for DLC down the line, but for the initial roster, it's just not likely.

So...for those that wanted Krystal...

Spoiler

Don't worry, you're welcome amongst us Midna fans.

 

[Reznor]

Gee whizzical. Okay, well, to break the ice, does anyone have a new improved roster they'd like to share?

I have mine from last time only 2 people commented on it and one comment was just 2 words

 

[SuperBrawler]

I thought we were talking about why Krystal SHOULDN'T be in, whatever, nice anyway!

 

[MagnesD3]

Bear in mind that the poll was before Assault, when Wolf's popularity skyrocketed.
Wolf was not as popular, noteworthy, or even important back then as at this point in time. (And no, not even his "Can't let you do that, Star Fox!" quote can be applied, as that didn't get memetic until 2008, surprisingly after his appearance in Brawl.)
All Wolf essentially was back then was "Evil Fox".

Granted, Falco also had less to go with back then as well, but he had plenty more reason to be popular than Wolf did, making his higher number of votes on Sakurai's poll understandable and justified.



Aside from that, who in the **** are you to decide who should be more popular? Can't tell if that's a superiority complex where you feel your opinion is law or just an incredible level of sheer bias.

I just don't understand wolf is so cool, he was your rival in battle how could he not be more popular than falco.

 

[SuperBrawler]

I don't think anyone but MagnesD3 read my post about Wolf above...

 

[MagnesD3]

Pigma is evil and is more of a villian, wolf is just fox's rival.

 

[Bajef8]

Why call him Red? There are other versions too (Blue, Green, Yellow) and that's only one of the many optional pre set names. It makes sense just to call him Pokemon Trainer.

Pretty much what God Robert's Cousin said, is what I'd say. And by other versions I hope you aren't referring to the game versions in 1st Gen. The character's name itself is Red. Naming him Red isn't naming him after one of the versions of Gen 1 Pokemon. Blue is your rival. Green I believe is the female Kanto Trainer. And Yellow is literally based of the anime instead. So Yellow=Ash.

And awwww why'd we move off of Toon characters when I got back? I was gonna suggest the best Toon ever.

 

[Deleted member]

Falco was the snarky hotshot with traits that we know today as comparable to a Tsundere; he's cold and harsh to his teammates, but he genuinely cares for them as if they were family.

It should really be no surprise why he would be popular, let alone more popular than (at the time) an evil doppelganger with stereotypical "evil" traits.
Then comes Assault, when Wolf's character evolved into something more complex. And not coincidentally, this was when his popularity shot up.

 

[Gune]

I got to admit im one hell of a sucker for tsundere charecters...

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I got to admit im one hell of a sucker for tsundere charecters...

So are most people.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Naming him Red isn't naming him after one of the versions of Gen 1 Pokemon. Blue is your rival. Green I believe is the female Kanto Trainer. And Yellow is literally based of the anime instead. So Yellow=Ash.

To be fair, this:

Resembles this:

More than this:

This one being the manga's adaptation of "Yellow". Ash is basically the anime's Red, with Gary being Blue.

 

[MagnesD3]

Hands off my prey. Yeah I like falco for that as well, I just think wolf is super cool that's all.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I though Gary resembled Green?

 

[Sebz]

Gee whizzical. Okay, well, to break the ice, does anyone have a new improved roster they'd like to share?

Ta-da!

Just decided to go crazy on this one. Not my most serious roster but, if the dev team decides to go all out I could see them pushing past the 50 characters point.
Here are some crazy ideas which I'd like to see the reaction to:
-4 reps for FE and Star Fox cuz why not
-Toon Zelda as it's own franchise
-FZero gets a second rep

 

[Hotfeet444]

To be fair, this:

Resembles this:

More than this:

This one being the manga's adaptation of "Yellow". Ash is basically the anime's Red, with Gary being Blue.

Technically Gary is actually Green if you're going by the japanese Manga, Blue is actually the female trainer.

Hands of my prey. Yeah I like falco for that as well, I just think wolf is super cool that's all.

Pretty much ever since Wolf stopped becoming a bad russian stereotype, he became a really popular character. Seriously, who could take that voice seriously?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Falco was the snarky hotshot with traits that we know today as comparable to a Tsundere; he's cold and harsh to his teammates, but he genuinely cares for them as if they were family.

And this is why people like to compare me to Falco.

 

[FalKoopa]

And this is why people like to compare me to Falco.

To be honest, this is the first time I'm hearing this.

 

[Bajef8]

Technically Gary is actually Green if you're going by the japanese Manga, Blue is actually the female trainer.



Pretty much ever since Wolf stopped becoming a bad russian stereotype, he became a really popular character. Seriously, who could take that voice seriously?

Well I'm not trying to base it off of the manga. Since in Gen 2 the trainer of Viridian is Blue, not Green. Also Jesse and James are in Yellow and their 3 Pokemon are Meowth, Ekans, and Koffing (who all evolve except Meowth). Yellow was completely based off of the anime though when it was made. But yes, I agree with GRC, Red and Blue's anime counterparts are Ash and Gary.

EDIT: I just double checked it, Blue is the rival and Green is the female Kanto trainer.

 

[Deleted member]

And this is why people like to compare me to Falco.

I actually had to resist bringing you up as an example.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Semi-clones? Arguably, although I'd say Toon Link edges closer to the border of clone than semi-clone. He's certainly the closest thing to a full clone that Brawl has, and if they gave the best of his attributes to regular Link I doubt anybody would miss him.



Understandable, though I should point out that I wasn't in any way calling Ryota likely - he's a personal choice.



You misunderstand. Sakurai is not aiming Smash Bros. at the "hardcore Nintendo fans". The quicker people realize that Smash is aimed at every Nintendo fan (Wii Fit Trainer and Villager say hello) and not aimed at Smashboards, the better. Anybody here could try to tell me that Takamaru is more deserving than eShop characters - and that's a fair opinion to have - but it's just an opinion at the end of the day and opinions don't make a character choice. And secondly, how many people play a game definitely influences a characters chances. Villager is pretty much the defining example, proving Sakurai is willing to put in characters not typically considered "natural fighters" if he considers them worthy, iconic, well-known or highly-played.



"Best" franchise, again, comes down to opinion. I'm gonna stop here because that was a personal roster and not a genuine roster prediction, but I really feel some people need to come to realize that characters like Takamaru are not necessarily the shoe-ins people make them out to be. That's not to say they don't have a chance - they all have fairly good chances - but outside of places like Smashboards, Takamaru (to keep rolling with that example) is not as popular as we think. In fact, I'll have to pull the links up again but evidence suggests that for a Japanese-only character, Takamaru's support in Japan itself is actually rather small. It's another case of character ideas being bounced around the online Nintendo echo-chamber to the point where we as the hardcore suspect them to be 'likely' choices when outside of our own communities, there is nothing that makes them more likely than any other character - especially when sales are involved.

That's true, people on Smashboards users usually have a problem with any character that doesn't have a support thread.

 

[MagnesD3]

Technically Gary is actually Green if you're going by the japanese Manga, Blue is actually the female trainer.



Pretty much ever since Wolf stopped becoming a bad russian stereotype, he became a really popular character. Seriously, who could take that voice seriously?

I am glad they changed his voice to show his age and wisdom more (and it sounds more badass).

 

[Reznor]

That's true, people on Smashboards users usually have a problem with any character that doesn't have a support thread.

then make a support thread for the character you want also we have problems with characters that do have support threads also

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

That's true, people on Smashboards users usually have a problem with any character that doesn't have a support thread.

I think there's a reason for that. I mean, support threads exist because there is support for that character. If a character has support, that usually means they have merit to be in Smash Bros. Otherwise, you know, not having a support thread probably means they don't have support. When a support thread doesn't look that good either in terms of explaining what they can provide in Smash Bros. and countering arguments as to why they shouldn't be in Smash Bros., it doesn't look as impressive for those not currently for or against that character.

That said, make a Metal Mario thread and see how well that goes. You'll quickly see the difference between the support for him and the support for someone like Waluigi, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Making support threads, however, seems kind of pointless at this time.

It's kind of fruitless when everything is already set in stone and in the middle of being implemented.

 

[N3ON]

Making support threads, however, seems kind of pointless at this time.

It's kind of fruitless when everything is already set in stone and in the middle of being implemented.

Just because it won't affect the game at this point doesn't mean it's not nice to have some place for people with similar interests in a character to congregate and exchange ideas about how they see the character playing, movesets, fanart, general speculation and that kinda stuff. Plus then they can support each other when their unlikely character inevitably isn't included.

 

[Gene]

Pigma is evil and is more of a villian, wolf is just fox's rival.

I actually take Pigma more seriously because of this. And for the fact that he betrayed James and Peppy, which led to James being captured and killed by Andross. I would've took Andrew seriously if it wasn't for SF Assault and his character being taken as a big joke. His voice was crap as well.

I think Wolf just wants to politely kill Fox. And Panther wants his girl.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Making support threads, however, seems kind of pointless at this time.

It's kind of fruitless when everything is already set in stone and in the middle of being implemented.

Very true.

If a character doesn't have a support thread at this point, they probably don't have much reason to be in Smash Bros. We as a forum are diverse enough to have created support threads of every reasonable and remotely reasonable character to expect in Smash Bros. The grand list of support threads shows that. Anyone else at this point is just plain obscure.

(Not that there aren't already some weird choices for support threads already.)

 

[MagnesD3]

I actually take Pigma more seriously because of this. And for the fact that he betrayed James and Peppy, which led to James being captured and killed by Andross. I would've took Andrew seriously if it wasn't for SF Assault and his character being taken as a big joke. His voice was crap as well.

I think Wolf just wants to politely kill Fox. And Panther wants his girl.

Andrew was always kinda the slippy of the team, forced to join due to andross, the star wolf team kicked out pigma since he had no loyalty. I hope that in the next game star wolf gets a new member (Kat hopefully.)

 

[Reznor]

Edit: never mind read it wrong thought me meant Adross

 

[SchAlternate]

Ta-da!

Just decided to go crazy on this one. Not my most serious roster but, if the dev team decides to go all out I could see them pushing past the 50 characters point.
Here are some crazy ideas which I'd like to see the reaction to:
-4 reps for FE and Star Fox cuz why not
-Toon Zelda as it's own franchise
-FZero gets a second rep

Ha! You call that going overboard? I'll show what's going overboard!

(Heh, been carrying this sucker in my sigg for a long time now )

 

[Sebz]

Ha! You call that going overboard? I'll show what's going overboard!

TIS' TOO MUCH, YOU MADMAN! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Ha! You call that going overboard? I'll show what's going overboard!

(Heh, been carrying this sucker in my sigg for a long time now )

2 new F-Zero characters
All the characters you cut from the roster (Melee clones and Snake)
A fifth or sixth Zelda character
Toad
Mike Jones
Sheriff
Balloon Fighter
Possibly a new Yoshi character
Possibly a new Pikmin character
A third or fourth Metroid character
A seventh Pokemon character (N?)
Porky Minch
A fourth Star Fox character
A fourth or fifth Fire Emblem character
A fourth Kirby character

Add those and I might kill someone for this (sadly unrealistic) roster in SSB4.

---

 

[SuperBrawler]

Ha! You call that going overboard? I'll show what's going overboard!

(Heh, been carrying this sucker in my sigg for a long time now )

Dont worry . Personally Im one of the people who did that. (once)

 

[Swift Fox]

Ta-da!

Just decided to go crazy on this one. Not my most serious roster but, if the dev team decides to go all out I could see them pushing past the 50 characters point.
Here are some crazy ideas which I'd like to see the reaction to:
-4 reps for FE and Star Fox cuz why not
-Toon Zelda as it's own franchise
-FZero gets a second rep

>Over 50 characters
>Z.S.S independent
>No Lucario, Snake

Yes you crazy.