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Yoshi IS a Mario franchise. Yoshi's Island is Super Mario World 2.

Besides, it's Sakurai that decides how to classify characters in his game, not you nor me.

Paper Mario is no different in that regard. Also my reasoning isn't cause it's a different franchise, it's cause both are unique characters that can make the roster independent of the other. PM can be a Mario franchise and he'd still get in. If SF and Pokemon are proof, there is not cap on the maximum number of reps a franchise can get. He's looking at characters for what they are, not in contrast to competitors from the same franchise.
Okay, you got me there. But still, Yoshi is even considered a different franchise in Sakurai's eyes. You're right, though, Paper Mario can be considered as a different Franchise. But Yoshi IS NOT a Mario Franchise. Yoshi himself was a part of Mario, until he made his debut in different games. He made himself as a new Franchise, but still appears in Mario games.
And I only meant that relating Paper Mario to Yoshi was flawed, not the whole thing. He is very unique and could add diversity to the roster.
 

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Honestly, any FE character fight is just downright ********.

We have people that only care for relevancy.
We have people that look to a "pattern" that doesn't even exist.
We have people that are too biased toward particular characters.
We have people that pretty much don't give a **** about anything someone says about certain other particular characters. (In other words, too biased against particular characters.)
We have people that are hypocritical about their argumentation.
We have people that don't give good argumentation at all.
etc. and etc.

So at this point:
EFF Ike.
EFF Roy.
EFF Chrom.
EFF Lyn.
EFF Micaiah.
EFF Lucina.
EFF Anna.
EFF Robin/The Avatar.
EFF Tharja.
EFF them all to high Hell.

Just leave it at Marth and be done. He's the only one the series "needs" anyway.
Hey, you shouldn't hate the FE characters. Give the hate to where it deserves: the ******** that you just summarized in the beginning.
 

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No, it's just with that statement now there will be some rogue Entei at my doorstep wanting to toast my hide with Fire Blast.
Well, are you a **** who expresses his opinion too harshly and are too close-minded to see and accept anyone else's opinion? If no, then you should be fine.
 

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I think the problem with FE newcomers is that people see this quote: "They have to have something really unique that makes them stand apart from other characters in the game, and not limit yourself to characters that are just combat-based" and apply it to a newcomer they don't want, while not realizing it can apply to the character that they arguing for. I think if you played through each of the main characters games, it's not inconceivable to come with some type of unique moveset for each of the main characters. FE characters mainly have 4 animations with their main weapon (normal, critical, and the same in their promoted class), so the rest of the moveset is made up anyways.
 

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All I want out of Fire Emblem is Anna anyway and Lyn to some extend. Everyone else would just be a bonus to me.... Too bad she's only likely if IS actually suggests her to Sakurai, which they will probably only do for Chrom/Lucina/Robin/Whatever.....

So yeah, eitherway, I guess I'm probably looking more forward to how other franchises will stack up than Fire Emblem...
 

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You know, I wonder: Should Marth be a starter character? I mean, he's the main character of the series, makes sense to me.
Marth is one of several main characters. He is just the oldest and therefore most iconic. I think if FE gets another newcomer, that individual should be a starter and Marth (as well as Ike) should be a secret characters. If they keep it to just Ike and Marth then they should do what they did in Brawl and make Ike the starter.
 

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Sorry, poor choice of wording, but my point still stands. Why would the most iconic character of a popular franchise be an unlockable character and have another character from said franchise as a starter? That makes no sense. It's like having, I dunno, Meowth and Jiggs as starters and then Pikachu as an unlockable.
 

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Sorry, poor choice of wording, but my point still stands. Why would the most iconic character of a popular franchise be an unlockable character and have another character from said franchise as a starter? That makes no sense. It's like having, I dunno, Meowth and Jiggs as starters and then Pikachu as an unlockable.
It's what they did in Brawl. I think they will keep Marth as a secret character like Luigi. My thinking is that because the newcomer is the character more people want to play (since he or she's new), so that's why they are available right away. The newcomer would also presumable fit the "smash as a reflection of the previous generation" better than Marth, although Marth did also get his remakes last generation.
 

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Talking **** on the Prediction thread.



The lowest of lows.
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On that note, FE discussions usually lead to nowhere good. It's always a rehash of the same argument.
 
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I never imagined Yuii was fat.

Now I picture Yuii as Coop in my mind, and that... is totally awesome.

Do you have a Giant Robot Yuii? Chicks dig Giant Robots you know...

 

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Another realistic roster,

OK this for the most part is pretty realistic and possible but I can't say I agree with everything, for one as far as I'm concerned there is almost no chance at all they'd put Roy back in over an awakening rep. OK that's my main problem with it, though I will say the moveset idea of having Bowser Jr. with shadow mario as an important part of his character isn't interesting to me at all, "OK what will make him unique?" "Making him able to turn him into mario except ummm SHADOWY" "Genius! You don't see bowser turning into Mario BOWSER JR IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE CHARACTER!"
 

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The fact that Paper Mario IS Mario, and everything in game is Mario stuff that makes it a reason why he's not his own franchise. Same reason people don't have Baby Mario as a Yoshi character, because he's dressed as and named Mario. That and you'd be beaten the **** out of a baby, or more so a Baby would be beating the **** out of you.
 

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OK this for the most part is pretty realistic and possible but I can't say I agree with everything, for one as far as I'm concerned there is almost no chance at all they'd put Roy back in over an awakening rep. OK that's my main problem with it, though I will say the moveset idea of having Bowser Jr. with shadow mario as an important part of his character isn't interesting to me at all, "OK what will make him unique?" "Making him able to turn him into mario except ummm SHADOWY" "Genius! You don't see bowser turning into Mario BOWSER JR IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE CHARACTER!"
Shadow mario would use all of his paintbrush techniques, he would feel like a heavy mario but he wouldnt have any of marios normals or specials as he is a fake mario, he would use his paint brush and paint techniques for everything, it would be sweet.
 

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Shadow mario would use all of his paintbrush techniques, he would feel like a heavy mario but he wouldnt have any of marios normals or specials as he is a fake mario, he would use his paint brush and paint techniques for everything, it would be sweet.
Seems like a large hassle to represent a part of a game that's 10 years old :p
 

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I don't agree with Shadow Mario at all, but that's not a reason to ignore him. There are plenty of better reasons to not have him.
OK lack of relevancy isn't a valid reason? Well fine then what do you have against him I would like to listen to your long list of things that strengthen my argument XD
 

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A Shadow Mario transformation was all the rage during the Brawl days, but now, support for it has largely died off. I'd attribute that to the "relevance" schtick in part, but also because people brought it up in the first place to make Bowser Jr. unique. Now, his repertoire of attacks from the Galaxy and "New" Mario games do enough in that regard to render Shadow Mario obsolete. Maybe there's also some residual dislike for Sunshine playing a role as well, kind of like it does with Mario's FLUDD, even though the game itself was excellent IMO.
 

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How about it makes bowser jr's moveset quite a bit more interesting an unique as well as shadow mario being linked to the character. It makes sense, shiek is old and irrelevant but she isnt going anywhere, as she is interesting and a persona zelda created.
 

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OK lack of relevancy isn't a valid reason? Well fine then what do you have against him I would like to listen to your long list of things that strengthen my argument XD
Lack of recency is rarely a reason for any character to be unlikely. And recency isn't always a reason FOR a character either. Not appearing recently does not shun you from Nintendo's History, and old characters are brought back in video games all the time. In games like Mario, Zelda, and Donkey Kong, they bring back characters people thought were dead and they often become standards again.

Shadow Mario however is overshadowed (no pun intended) by several other Mario Doppelgangers and I can bet you he won't appear unless MAYBE in a Mario Sports title (just because they like to exploit Bowser Jr.'s paintbrush). But, he's no worse than Sheik in terms of relevance, in fact he's more recent than Sheik and appeared in 2 Mario games where as Sheik only appeared in 1 Zelda game.

Not to mention I'm TRYING to strengthen your argument. I'm just saying you are weakening your argument by using Shadow Mario's recency as your reason.

My reason is mostly because it is incredibly weird to have a different version of a character playable within a completely different character. Like if Poke'mon Trainer had a Raichu with it's own moves. And that it's incredibly weird to have someone that's basically a dark version of someone else but, they of all characters are not semi-clones. Another situation is having Dark Samus not transform into a Dark Zero Suit Samus, because it doesn't exist. And Dark Pit having his own moves or even being a separate character when he's CLEARLY just a recolor of Pit.

And Bowser Jr. has shown he is more independent and utilizes SEVERAL of his own moves and only used Shadow Mario as a disguise to fool people. If you want to utilize the paintbrush than make it his Upward Special. It's Bowser Jr's thing, not Shadow Mario's.
 

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At least a Shadow Mario transformation for Bowser Jr. makes more sense than Zelda transforming into Impa :troll:

Would prefer if Junior had his sunshine paintbrush but didn't transform into Shadow Mario. The goop would help him be a unique character.
 

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OK this for the most part is pretty realistic and possible but I can't say I agree with everything, for one as far as I'm concerned there is almost no chance at all they'd put Roy back in over an awakening rep. OK that's my main problem with it, though I will say the moveset idea of having Bowser Jr. with shadow mario as an important part of his character isn't interesting to me at all, "OK what will make him unique?" "Making him able to turn him into mario except ummm SHADOWY" "Genius! You don't see bowser turning into Mario BOWSER JR IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE CHARACTER!"
Someone hasn't played Sunshine.
 

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Based off a post I had on the IGN SSB4 thread

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What is the uniqueness of this character? Gun-Sword & Jetpack
What does the character bring into the Smash Bros. universe? A new moveset and a new franchise.
What do they have that other characters don't? The gun-sword, the only Nintendo franchise I believe that has some at least similar to this.
How do they complement or contrast other characters? Fits in with smaller franchises and brings in a Nintendo franchise that has been around for a while. Contrasts the big names but compliments the likes of Olimar, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, and other possible newcomers from other unrepresented franchises.
 
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I never imagined Yuii was fat.

Now I picture Yuii as Coop in my mind, and that... is totally awesome.

Do you have a Giant Robot Yuii? Chicks dig Giant Robots you know...

Love that you're bringing the Megas love, but I'm not Coop size. :laugh: And I'm too lame to own a GIANT ROBOT CAAAAAAAR.....
I was actually making an overstatement; I'm not fat, but I do have a bit of a beer belly that I'm losing over time.


....speaking of Megas, I'm now reminded of the Mega Slush. And I also remember wanting one after that whole episode dedicated to getting one (with continuous battles against the Regis MK V thrown in).
 
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