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Chrom is a rehash of Ike because his design is based off of Ike. Even his personality takes some inspiration form Ike, the proof is int he pudding CHROM LEARNS AND CAN USE AETHER, and ability that was originally exclusive to ONLY Ike. It's one of Chrom's signature moves. So you're telling me, that having TWO characters in Smash who use the same recovery move is "fresh and unique?"
Y'know, Manly, I'm not a Chrom supporter, but using the fact that Ike and Chrom both have Aether really doesn't mean much considering that the two versions of Aether are very different. Ike's Aether is a vertical move, while Chrom's is horizontal(at least when he's using a close ranged weapon). Literally the only thing they have in common is that they are a combination of Sol and Luna, which will probably not mean jack **** for Smash seeing as Ike's Aether in Brawl doesn't heal.
 

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Mewtwo's second form isn't unique from his original form and that does NOT make up for 3 missing Poke'mon each a new type and with their own uniqueness, interchangeable while being controlled by the Main character of the series. Poke'mon Trainer will NOT be removed I can assure you. As popular as Lucario is and I like him more than Mewtwo. He is the one who should be replaced (and by the new Mewtwo). The Poke'mon Trainer is more important as well as JigglyPuff and Pikachu. Lucario is someone who might be DLC if not Mewtwo.

It's process of elimination. Lucario is VERY loved, popular, and important. But, he's not AS important as JigglyPuff, Pikachu, or Poke'mon Trainer. So if a Poke'mon character HAS to be removed, I think it should be him.
Oh, we were just making a list of who were 100% coming back. Gune said that the Pokemon Trainer isn't 100% likely to come back, but rather Mewtwo is. It wasn't a roster prediction.
 

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I like it. I'm just not sure with 4 FE reps and the inclusion of Bomberman. 9/10
Thank you, that's a very fair rating you gave. I'm not very leaning towards 4 Fire Emblem reps either and I only have Lyn just in case.

no one said anything about my first roaster so I shall post it again


  • Classic Link aint' gonna get in over Toon Link
  • Ganon is already a Final Smash, so he's not going to be a Zelda/Sheik thing.
  • Replace Lucario with Poke'mon Trainer.
  • I doubt we will get a 2nd Yoshi rep, but if we do it's gonna be Shy Guy in my opinion.
  • I'd get rid of Pac-Man. He's not as likely as everyone use to think he was. Namco helping development is not a reason to put him in, and he hasn't a lot of move set potential. Pac-Man is a good guest character for video games, but if you ask me Super Smash Brothers is not one of those games.
  • Replace Dixie with King K. Rool, that's a no-brainer.
  • Waluigi is a neat additon and a unique fighter.
 
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Y'know, Manly, I'm not a Chrom supporter, but using the fact that Ike and Chrom both have Aether really doesn't mean much considering that the two versions of Aether are very different. Ike's Aether is a vertical move, while Chrom's is horizontal(at least when he's using a close ranged weapon). Literally the only thing they have in common is that they are a combination of Sol and Luna, which will probably not mean jack **** for Smash seeing as Ike's Aether in Brawl doesn't heal.
Yeah, I know, but Ike's Aether is broken into two moves for Smash, Quick Draw is the horizontal animation of Aether from FE9/10. I dunno what Chrom's looks like, but the argument was that Chrom was based off of Ike, not that their Aether's can't be different. That said, a slightly different Aether is very Fox to Wolf, not very exciting if you ask me...
 

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Oh my.... I got roasted by Reznor's fire breath. :troll:




>Cuts Pokémon Trainer
>Cuts Sonic
>Adds Kamek instead.

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it was either PT or Lucario hard choice

Thank you, that's a very fair rating you gave. I'm not very leaning towards 4 Fire Emblem reps either and I only have Lyn just in case.



  • Classic Link aint' gonna get in over Toon Link
  • Ganon is already a Final Smash, so he's not going to be a Zelda/Sheik thing.
  • Replace Lucario with Poke'mon Trainer.
  • I doubt we will get a 2nd Yoshi rep, but if we do it's gonna be Shy Guy in my opinion.
  • I'd get rid of Pac-Man. He's not as likely as everyone use to think he was. Namco helping development is not a reason to put him in, and he hasn't a lot of move set potential. Pac-Man is a good guest character for video games, but if you ask me Super Smash Brothers is not one of those games.
  • Replace Dixie with King K. Rool, that's a no-brainer.
  • Waluigi is a neat additon and a unique fighter.
A perfectly fine roster, though I would put Shy Guy instead of Kamek.
wait why Shyguy over Kamek?
 

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Yeah, I know, but Ike's Aether is broken into two moves for Smash, Quick Draw is the horizontal animation of Aether from FE9/10.
Quick Draw is his critical animation as a Ranger. Not sure about FE10, but in FE9 Aether is two strikes: the first is basically his ^B in Brawl, and the second is an uppercut.
I dunno what Chrom's looks like, but the argument was that Chrom was based off of Ike, not that their Aether's can't be different.
Chrom's Aether doesn't have a special animation, it just looks like any other double strike he might perform(oh, and it's not limited to just close-range attacks). While I agree that the two characters are similar, and I have a hard time seeing how Chrom would not wind up as similar to Ike, using Aether as part of that comparison only weakens your argument.
 

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Might I ask for a couple of reviews on my latest roster? And thank you Ariend/AEM for the review.



I thought it was manbearpig. :p
It's pretty good. As long as it has Jr., Palutena, and Mewtwo I love it. But I'm still not sure on some of the characters. You must know by now how I feel of Classic Link and Sylveon, so I won't discuss that. I'm not sure of another Kirby rep. I'm not sure having Impa and Sheik is a good idea, but that's just my opinion. And is Paper Mario his own Franchise? Because I think Paper Mario should just stay with the Mario groups. Because Nintendo's website for Mario has Paper mario in there, so I think he should be included as part of the Mario cast (although it should be either Jr. or Paper Mario). I would also add another franchise in favor of Dark Matter (Isaac or Saki perhaps?). Other than that, pretty good roster, although they are just my opinions. I'd give it an 8/10.
 

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Noah, why are you calling Mewtwo "Neomew?" To my knowledge, it's not the name of the form...
because it doesn't have a name yet. I gotta call it something. So I combined "Neo" and "Mew"


Might I ask for a couple of reviews on my latest roster? And thank you Ariend/AEM for the review.
Mike Jones and Paper Mario as his own franchise ain't

gonna happen.

And after all this you still refuse to get rid of Classic Link and you still have OOT Ganondorf (which makes NO sense.)

wait why Shyguy over Kamek?
  • Most recurring and iconic enemy of the series.
  • There are so many variations of Shy Guys that can be implemented into his move set.
But, don't count on a second Yoshi rep.
 

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because it doesn't have a name yet. I gotta call it something. So I combined "Neo" and "Mew"
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It already has a name though. Mewtwo.

  • I'd get rid of Pac-Man. He's not as likely as everyone use to think he was. Namco helping development is not a reason to put him in, and he hasn't a lot of move set potential. Pac-Man is a good guest character for video games, but if you ask me Super Smash Brothers is not one of those games.
Someone hasn't done any research...
 

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Most recurring and iconic enemy of the series.

There are so many variations of Shy Guys that can be implemented into his move set.
But, don't count on a second Yoshi rep.
ok sorry to bring up the Dry Bowser thing people but

same can be said about Koopas and Dry Bowser

and I know a 2nd Yoshi rep isn't likely but I like Kamek
 
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Quick Draw is his critical animation as a Ranger. Not sure about FE10, but in FE9 Aether is two strikes: the first is basically his ^B in Brawl, and the second is an uppercut.

Chrom's Aether doesn't have a special animation, it just looks like any other double strike he might perform(oh, and it's not limited to just close-range attacks). While I agree that the two characters are similar, and I have a hard time seeing how Chrom would not wind up as similar to Ike, using Aether as part of that comparison only weakens your argument.

Fair enough, I'll take it to heart, thanks man.

Anyway guys, I'm gonna name 7 characters, assuming all other possible choices are already in, I want you to rank these 7 from most likely to least likely in your opinions. Try to be as objective as possible.

Here goes:
Isaac
Saki
Lyn
Roy
Ashley
Waluigi
Bowser Jr.

Next in vets.

Choose 5 to cut from this list:
Lucas
Falco
Jiggs
Snake
Ice Climbers
Toon Link
Sheik

No need to give reasoning, just choose.
 

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THE MOST STATISTICALLY IMPROBABLE CHARACTER, AND YET THE MOST AWESOME.

P.S:I did this

Not to reply from something a lot of pages ago, but it seems important in this case.

This is the best thing I have ever seen. Ever.

EXCEPT, it needs moogle wings and maybe a pom pom!
 

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because it doesn't have a name yet. I gotta call it something. So I combined "Neo" and "Mew"



Mike Jones and Paper Mario as his own franchise ain't

gonna happen.

And after all this you still refuse to get rid of Classic Link and you still have OOT Ganondorf (which makes NO sense.)
I asked for a review, not an opportunity for you to complain about the second Link and what form of Ganondorf is used. By the way, it's called "Awakened Forme Mewtwo", so yes, it does have a name.

It's pretty good. As long as it has Jr., Palutena, and Mewtwo I love it. But I'm still not sure on some of the characters. You must know by now how I feel of Classic Link and Sylveon, so I won't discuss that. I'm not sure of another Kirby rep. I'm not sure having Impa and Sheik is a good idea, but that's just my opinion. And is Paper Mario his own Franchise? Because I think Paper Mario should just stay with the Mario groups. Because Nintendo's website for Mario has Paper mario in there, so I think he should be included as part of the Mario cast (although it should be either Jr. or Paper Mario). I would also add another franchise in favor of Dark Matter (Isaac or Saki perhaps?). Other than that, pretty good roster, although they are just my opinions. I'd give it an 8/10.
See Noah? This is a review. And thank you, I'll gladly take that 8/10. :p And it's not so much labeling Paper Mario as his own series, but rather a seperate series to represent the RPG titles. And I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think Dark Matter warrants some kind of importance, being the overall antagonist of the Kirby franchise, being almost directly connected to almost every villain in the franchise, whether it be through possession, manipulation or just plain inspiration/motivation, the Dark Matter is almost always there, being the threat of Dreamland. Not to mention it's one of the darkest and gruesome characters in Nintendo in general. I'll gladly say that Dark Matter is the next most important character to represent in Kirby.

Now I really want Sakurai to use OoT Ganondorf so that I can troll the hell out of you. :troll:
You are awesome, here, would you like a cookie? (Holds up a box) :)
 

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Anyway guys, I'm gonna name 7 characters, assuming all other possible choices are already in, I want you to rank these 7 from most likely to least likely in your opinions. Try to be as objective as possible.

Here goes:
Isaac
Saki
Lyn
Roy
Ashley
Waluigi
Bowser Jr.
I'll play just this one.

1. Isaac
2. Roy
3. Bowser Jr.
4. Saki
5. Waluigi
6. Lyn
7. Ashley
 

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I'm not going to put "Awakened Form Mewtwo" As the name on the roster. It's kind of a long name.
"A.Mewtwo", is that really so hard?
Fair enough, I'll take it to heart, thanks man.

Anyway guys, I'm gonna name 7 characters, assuming all other possible choices are already in, I want you to rank these 7 from most likely to least likely in your opinions. Try to be as objective as possible.

Here goes:
Isaac
Saki
Lyn
Roy
Ashley
Waluigi
Bowser Jr.

Next in vets.

Choose 5 to cut from this list:
Lucas
Falco
Jiggs
Snake
Ice Climbers
Toon Link
Sheik

No need to give reasoning, just choose.
Bowser Jr.
Isaac
Saki
Waluigi
Ashley
Roy
Lyn

And there's never a need to cut Snake, he's Konami's biggest character and one of the most famous videogame characters out there. The only characters that could be cut are Jigglypuff and Toon Link and possibly Lucas. And cutting Ice Climbers? LOLwut?
 

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Ahhhh.....


Mmkay, I'm gonna give this one last go.

I'm gonna break this down into parts.



Whatever dude, it's a significant weapon and it's a canon ability of his. There's nothing saying he can't have a moveset adapted in Smash where he uses both swords and axes, especially considering all the creative freedom Sakurai takes in Smash. If I were a dev, it'd be a logical move to make, I don't see any arguments against Ike using axes that hold any ground. Hell, I don't even know why you are arguing this...



Chrom is a rehash of Ike because his design is based off of Ike. Even his personality takes some inspiration form Ike, the proof is int he pudding CHROM LEARNS AND CAN USE AETHER, and ability that was originally exclusive to ONLY Ike. It's one of Chrom's signature moves. So you're telling me, that having TWO characters in Smash who use the same recovery move is "fresh and unique?"

Also, Lucina is a rehash of Marth and you know it, quit spouting stupid **** to derail the topic. Both of the heroes of FEA were based off of the two most popular and iconic lords in the series, Marth and Ike. It's a simple marketing strategy that has been done in Japanese media for ages, it's nothing new. You see this kinda pattern bull**** in anime and manga all the time. Copying off of previous successes sells well because the sheeple will eat what's popular before they eat what's good. It's why ****ing Nurutu is so goddamn popular. And before we get off topic, Western media is guilty of this too, it's just Japanese media is more subtle about it and thus is more commonly seen there.


The word you're looking for is "subjective," and no it's not.

Take a look at this thread over here:
http://smashboards.com/threads/character-archetypes-in-smash-bros.331574/

Ok, now please tell me, where exactly would you put Chrom? And what exactly can you do to make him stand out from the rest of the sword users. Yes, Chrom is not only competing with Ike, Marth, Roy and Lyn. He also has to stand out from Link, his clone, Shulk, Isaac, Takamaru and all other sword users that we could potentially have in Smash. Smash isn't there to represent all series equally or evenly. It is a fighting game where all competitors have to stand on equal ground in regard to gameplay. So in this light, Chrom has to be seen as an appealing candidate that can do something unique that no one else can to be seen as interesting.

In addition, his implementation has to be simple and logical. I've seen the 'pair up' mechanic come and go as an excuse for the FE:A lords, but lets be real here. That isn't natural, it's forced as ****. People are grasping at straws at that. The best way you could make it work is as a sort of tag-team mechanic, but here's the deal. Why should the FE characters get that over Diddy and Dixie where it makes a HELL of a lot more sense to have it, or why them over Zelda+Impa? That's why it's forced, it's looking for a way out to make the characters stand out from the rest. And that's not even looking at the programming complications of putting a duo character like that in the game. We already heard how Smash 4 3DS has problems with the AI on duo characters, meaning we might not see Melee vets the Ice Climbers because of it, and this is your proposed solution? So the only way out is a transforming character like Zelda, but once again, we already have that mechanic/character in the game. Why add another? How is that different, unique or fresh? Not to mention Zelda already suffers from balancing issues due to the lack of synergy between her transformations. On top of that, it means adding TWO FE characters with a forced gimmick that might not work, when if we got two FE characters Lyn and Roy together would make just about everyone happy adding a character that can do what Chrom can already do in regard to playstyle, but much better, and a speedy swordmaster that is TOTALLY fresh and new in regard to playstyle. Smash has yet to see as super-quick battousai sword user similar to Kenshin, and many have been wanting one for a while now.

tl;dr, Chrom is boring, period, and the Duo mechanic is forced and lame. Disagree, then once again, I invite you to write up a moveset for him to make me eat my words. If you can make a moveset for Chrom that is more appealing that my Lyn or Ashley movesets then I will eat my words, praise you, and support Chrom.

The best I ever came up with was by outstretching what Holy Shield can do, and making it into a sort of stat boosting move and the central focus of his fighting style, but guess what, we ALREADY have a clone character that can do that canonically and could really benefit from it as seen in his incarnation in Project M (Lucas). So once again, why Chrom over him?



Then you and I are gonna disagree in just about everything, and that attitude is probably why you and I will likely butt heads and come to blows until I grow bored of arguing with you. I don't care if you like them or not, you should at least try them. Saying "I refuse to play X because I don't like that genre" is like saying "I refuse to listen to Nujabes because I dislike Rap." It is a very closed minded and (rather) annoying attitude, and you miss out on experiencing some really amazing and beautiful stuff. Word of advice, drop that and learn to be more open-minded, not only will you expand your vision and horizons, but it will make you a more likable person. Just friendly advice is all. After all, we only live once, so you should at least give yourself the opportunity to try everything once, otherwise you're not really living, just existing.
It seems that Aether has become a Lord-exclusive attack, as both Chrom and Lucina can use it. They are the first new lords after FE10, so I don't think that whole Ike's signature move matters, at least in the context of the FE series. And just because they have Aether doesn't mean they have to use it as their recovery in their moveset, or even have it in their moveset.

I don't think either Chrom or Lucina are rehashes of their respective counterparts. Chrom has a fairly different backstory than Ike, and doesn't really fight the same way. Ike uses a really rough style and unconventional stance. What they share in common is that they are based on FE's Hero/Mercernary archetype. Lucina, besides being female, also shares a different backstory. She also gets the lord archetype character in the game (others include Eirika, Eliwood, Roy, and of course Marth). Her outfit is homage to Marth's, but like many lords in the series it uses the same basic design (so does Roy, Seliph, etc in their initial appearances. Marth was redesigned to look closer to her for the game. And she also uses a different stance for fighting than Marth, as she is two handed sword wielded who holds her blade pointing at the opponent. They fight differently in the games. The FE:A lords share the same basic similarities that many of the lords in the series, but that doesn't mean they are rehashes.

I don't see anything within Chrom's game that makes him inherently unique, but I definitely can see ways for the developers to create unique styles. I think they can easily make Chrom (or Lucina) fit into one of those other archetypes. They could be stance users, since they both use lances as well. Ike could be one for that matter. They could be a more counter focused character. They could be mix up characters with their javelin throws. I also could see Chrom being a beat down character.

The pair up mechanic, like how the Diddy and Dixie mechanic comes from DKC, comes from Awakening's game engine. It replaced rescuing and is one of the game's most important features. I think that's why most people are suggesting it. I don't think Diddy and Dixie will use it in this game because Diddy is already a separate character. It makes context in their games, so the gimmick isn't forced. We are suggesting this should they solve the IC IA problem; the game still has over a year of development time.

I'm not saying Chrom over any FE lord. I think Sakurai could make any of the more recent FE main characters unique with his team's work. But after reading over your archetype list, I think I will edit my next Lucina moveset with that in mind, so thanks.
 

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@ Reznor's Roster: I like it a lot. As far as Waluigi, mario has liklier reps, and don't cut Pokemon trainer or Lucario. Dixie over K.Rool is iffy, and don't cut the third parties. Overall: 9/10
@ Hotfeet's Roster: Impa, Paper Mario, Sylveon and Dark Matter, I disagree with. Maybe Paper Mario. And an interesting choice with Mike Jones, me likey.
8/10
And lol at Noah saying Bomberman earned a spot more than Megaman.
 

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Fair enough, I'll take it to heart, thanks man.

Anyway guys, I'm gonna name 7 characters, assuming all other possible choices are already in, I want you to rank these 7 from most likely to least likely in your opinions. Try to be as objective as possible.

Here goes:
Isaac
Saki
Lyn
Roy
Ashley
Waluigi
Bowser Jr.

Next in vets.

Choose 5 to cut from this list:
Lucas
Falco
Jiggs
Snake
Ice Climbers
Toon Link
Sheik

No need to give reasoning, just choose.
Bowser Jr
Isaac
Ashley
Roy
Lyn
Waluigi
 

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See Noah? This is a review. And thank you, I'll gladly take that 8/10. :p And it's not so much labeling Paper Mario as his own series, but rather a seperate series to represent the RPG titles. And I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think Dark Matter warrants some kind of importance, being the overall antagonist of the Kirby franchise, being almost directly connected to almost every villain in the franchise, whether it be through possession, manipulation or just plain inspiration/motivation, the Dark Matter is almost always there, being the threat of Dreamland. Not to mention it's one of the darkest and gruesome characters in Nintendo in general. I'll gladly say that Dark Matter is the next most important character to represent in Kirby.
No problem. I looked at Dark Matter online since I rarely play Kirby, and he does seem to be a major villain. Don't get me wrong, I like him more than someone like Prince Fluff or Waddle Dee, but I'm not sure Kirby warrants another rep. I feel like it does best with the three we have now, even though two of them can be deemed broken in ways. Still, I could be wrong, and I give you permission to troll me if we do get another Kirby rep.
 

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Then just put Mewtwo? Is it really that hard? At least then you're using an actual name...
 

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@ Reznor's Roster: I like it a lot. As far as Waluigi, mario has liklier reps, and don't cut Pokemon trainer or Lucario. Dixie over K.Rool is iffy, and don't cut the third parties. Overall: 9/10
@ Hotfeet's Roster: Impa, Paper Mario, Sylveon and Dark Matter, I disagree with. Maybe Paper Mario. And an interesting choice with Mike Jones, me likey.
8/10
And lol at Noah saying Bomberman earned a spot more than Megaman.
agreed Waluigi does have 1 more likely rep Bowser Jr. so I might pick Bowser Jr.
wait than that only leaves Jigglypuff being cut not sure how much I like that
Dixie I feel has more of a chance to get in over King K. Rool she is in the upcoming game he isn't shes a main character hes just the final boss
they said less 3rd parties and 4 might be too much what do you suggest on the 3rd party thing
 
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