Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Hotfeet444]

No problem. I looked at Dark Matter online since I rarely play Kirby, and he does seem to be a major villain. Don't get me wrong, I like him more than someone like Prince Fluff or Waddle Dee, but I'm not sure Kirby warrants another rep. I feel like it does best with the three we have now, even though two of them can be deemed broken in ways. Still, I could be wrong, and I give you permission to troll me if we do get another Kirby rep.

No no no, there's no need for trolling about another kirby rep, I'm not like that.

I'm saving all my trolling for the Ridley naysayers that call him too big to be in Smash Bros.

It is, but Ganon's not exactly a man in Beast state. He's a wolf....pig....thing....

Oh crud that's right. Okay, Gerudobearpig it is.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Then just put Mewtwo? Is it really that hard? At least then you're using an actual name...

"What? all I said was Neomew. it's no big deal really..."

agreed Waluigi does have 1 more likely rep Bowser Jr. so I might *** Bowser Jr.
wait than that only leaves Jigglypuff being cut not sure how much I like that
Dixie I feel has more of a chance to get in over King K. Rool she is in the upcoming game he isn't shes a main character hes just the final boss
they said less 3rd parties and 4 might be too much what do you suggest on the 3rd party thing

Beware, the "S" key is rather close to the "D" key.

And King K. Rool is more deserving and IS a main character of the franchise. Tropical Freeze doesn't change anything. That's like removing Bowser for not being in Super Mario 3D World.

Though, Dixie can have her own moves, she's just Girl Diddy. King K. Rool is the only reason for HAVING a third DK rep. It's perfectly fine as Donkey & Diddy without Dixie.

 

[TumblrFamous]

No no no, there's no need for trolling about another kirby rep, I'm not like that.

I'm saving all my trolling for the Ridley naysayers that call him too big to be in Smash Bros.

Very true. I will be joining you then. We shall troll the threads together.

 

[Reznor]

"What? all I said was Neomew. it's no big deal really..."

Beware, the "S" key is rather close to the "D" key.

And King K. Rool is more deserving and IS a main character of the franchise. Tropical Freeze doesn't change anything. That's like removing Bowser for not being in Super Mario 3D World.

well that was not what I meant
ya I need a new keyboards this one has messed up keys and it takes me so long to post because I have to reread every thing

 

[FlareHabanero]

It's strange, but true. Maybe it's that tiara; it plays with the mind.

One thing for sure, Marth is still not the most feminine guy in Fire Emblem. That title easily belongs to Lucius.

 

[Deleted member]

One thing for sure, Marth is still not the most feminine guy in Fire Emblem. That title easily belongs to Lucius.

....that's a dude?
W. T. F.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Alright everybody, since I feel like I'm in the drawing mood, I'm going to be drawing some support pictures for characters in Smash Bros 4. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm taking requests.

 

[TheCreator]

We don't know if he is going to have an official name yet.

Yes we do, the movie is out in Japan and his name is Mewtwo Awakened form.

agreed Waluigi does have 1 more likely rep Bowser Jr. so I might *** Bowser Jr.
wait than that only leaves Jigglypuff being cut not sure how much I like that
Dixie I feel has more of a chance to get in over King K. Rool she is in the upcoming game he isn't shes a main character hes just the final boss
they said less 3rd parties and 4 might be too much what do you suggest on the 3rd party thing

I don't think anybody has to get cut from the pokemon roster.
And on Dixie, it's BECAUSE he's the final boss that I think he's more likely than Dixie. Because with Dixie we'd have 3 good guys from donkey kong.
And on 3rd parties, I just don't see any way they can get away with cutting Sonic. Maybe Snake, but Snake is in for certain reasons to where him being cut would make Sakurai an as$holio. I say they both return alongside Megaman, and if we get another, I think for sure it's Pacman.

@Hotfeet: OMG Dillon Tingle Pacman

 

[jaytalks]

don't forget Libra:

Most of his supports start with someone confusing him as a woman.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

One thing for sure, Marth is still not the most feminine guy in Fire Emblem. That title easily belongs to Lucius.

Don't forget Libra.

don't forget Libra:
Most of his supports start with someone confusing him as a woman.

Dude, I think we just hiveminded.

Alright everybody, since I feel like I'm in the drawing mood, I'm going to be drawing some support pictures for characters in Smash Bros 4. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm taking requests.

Starfy maybe?

 

[TumblrFamous]

Alright everybody, since I feel like I'm in the drawing mood, I'm going to be drawing some support pictures for characters in Smash Bros 4. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm taking requests.

Um... Saki? How about Toon Zelda?

 

[FalKoopa]

....that's a dude?
W. T. F.

You need to play Fire Emblem 7, Golden. NOW.

 

[FlareHabanero]

....that's a dude?
W. T. F.

Welcome to Japan, where men are women.

Also to add more fuel to the fire, there are implications that Lucius is in a relationship with Raven.

 

[jaytalks]

Ranking newcomers:
Isaac (1)
Saki (2)
Bowser Jr. (3)
Lyn (4)
Roy (5)
Waluigi (6)
Ashley (7)

Next in vets.

Most likely cut:
Lucas (1)
Toon Link (2)
Snake (3)
Falco (4)
Jiggs (5)
Ice Climbers
Sheik (least likely cut)

I think too many people are using this quote to discredit other newcomers: "They have to have something really unique that makes them stand apart from other characters in the game, and not limit yourself to characters that are just combat-based."

I think that speaks more to Sakurai's game design, in that he wants to make the newcomers he selects unique in how they fight and not only focus on combat-based newcomers.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Alright everybody, since I feel like I'm in the drawing mood, I'm going to be drawing some support pictures for characters in Smash Bros 4. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm taking requests.

If you haven't, Takamaru or Shulk.

 

[Reznor]

Alright everybody, since I feel like I'm in the drawing mood, I'm going to be drawing some support pictures for characters in Smash Bros 4. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm taking requests.

wait misread

Waluigi hes da best

 

[BluePikmin11]

Hey whatever happened to Frostwraith, hadn't seen him in a while in the forums.

 

[Hotfeet444]

If you haven't, Takamaru or Shulk.

Spoiler

Already did both actually.

 

[mimgrim]

Whatever dude, it's a significant weapon and it's a canon ability of his. There's nothing saying he can't have a moveset adapted in Smash where he uses both swords and axes, especially considering all the creative freedom Sakurai takes in Smash. If I were a dev, it'd be a logical move to make, I don't see any arguments against Ike using axes that hold any ground. Hell, I don't even know why you are arguing this...

It being canon is actually debatable. He never uses axes in a cutscene and in every offical artwork of his he is wielding a sword, usually ragnell. But being canon or not doesn't matter in Smash. I don't mind if he gets one move that uses axes, but that is it. I only brought it up in the first place to correct your mistake on it.

Chrom is a rehash of Ike because his design is based off of Ike. Even his personality takes some inspiration form Ike, the proof is int he pudding CHROM LEARNS AND CAN USE AETHER, and ability that was originally exclusive to ONLY Ike. It's one of Chrom's signature moves. So you're telling me, that having TWO characters in Smash who use the same recovery move is "fresh and unique?"

Also, Lucina is a rehash of Marth and you know it, quit spouting stupid **** to derail the topic. Both of the heroes of FEA were based off of the two most popular and iconic lords in the series, Marth and Ike. It's a simple marketing strategy that has been done in Japanese media for ages, it's nothing new. You see this kinda pattern bull**** in anime and manga all the time. Copying off of previous successes sells well because the sheeple will eat what's popular before they eat what's good. It's why ****ing Nurutu is so goddamn popular. And before we get off topic, Western media is guilty of this too, it's just Japanese media is more subtle about it and thus is more commonly seen there.

They both use Aether, but their versions of Aether are different from each other. Chrom doesn't throw his sword up in the air and jumps and catches it while preforming it. And sorry but I don't see the desing similarites to him and Ike, and very few similar peronality traits. I know Lucina is based off of Marth, however using your logic of Aether she is obviously a rehash of Ike as she starts out with Aether before Chrom learns it usually.

The word you're looking for is "subjective," and no it's not.

Take a look at this thread over here:
http://smashboards.com/threads/character-archetypes-in-smash-bros.331574/

Ok, now please tell me, where exactly would you put Chrom? And what exactly can you do to make him stand out from the rest of the sword users. Yes, Chrom is not only competing with Ike, Marth, Roy and Lyn. He also has to stand out from Link, his clone, Shulk, Isaac, Takamaru and all other sword users that we could potentially have in Smash. Smash isn't there to represent all series equally or evenly. It is a fighting game where all competitors have to stand on equal ground in regard to gameplay. So in this light, Chrom has to be seen as an appealing candidate that can do something unique that no one else can to be seen as interesting.

In addition, his implementation has to be simple and logical. I've seen the 'pair up' mechanic come and go as an excuse for the FE:A lords, but lets be real here. That isn't natural, it's forced as ****. People are grasping at straws at that. The best way you could make it work is as a sort of tag-team mechanic, but here's the deal. Why should the FE characters get that over Diddy and Dixie where it makes a HELL of a lot more sense to have it, or why them over Zelda+Impa? That's why it's forced, it's looking for a way out to make the characters stand out from the rest. And that's not even looking at the programming complications of putting a duo character like that in the game. We already heard how Smash 4 3DS has problems with the AI on duo characters, meaning we might not see Melee vets the Ice Climbers because of it, and this is your proposed solution? So the only way out is a transforming character like Zelda, but once again, we already have that mechanic/character in the game. Why add another? How is that different, unique or fresh? Not to mention Zelda already suffers from balancing issues due to the lack of synergy between her transformations. On top of that, it means adding TWO FE characters with a forced gimmick that might not work, when if we got two FE characters Lyn and Roy together would make just about everyone happy adding a character that can do what Chrom can already do in regard to playstyle, but much better, and a speedy swordmaster that is TOTALLY fresh and new in regard to playstyle. Smash has yet to see as super-quick battousai sword user similar to Kenshin, and many have been wanting one for a while now.

tl;dr, Chrom is boring, period, and the Duo mechanic is forced and lame. Disagree, then once again, I invite you to write up a moveset for him to make me eat my words. If you can make a moveset for Chrom that is more appealing that my Lyn or Ashley movesets then I will eat my words, praise you, and support Chrom.

The best I ever came up with was by outstretching what Holy Shield can do, and making it into a sort of stat boosting move and the central focus of his fighting style, but guess what, we ALREADY have a clone character that can do that canonically and could really benefit from it as seen in his incarnation in Project M (Lucas). So once again, why Chrom over him?

I disagree with it being forced. It was a major part of the game and was heavily avertised and pushed in the game and if don right it wouldn't feel forced. But fin you want a friggen movset here is one for you;

Spoiler

Jabs - Slices with a overhand slash fowards moving him forward a little bit. Then does a underhand slash forward movving him forward a little bit again. Finally does a side slash and repeates side slashes from side to side until you let go of the attack button.
Ftilt - Pierces foward quickly.
Utilt - Quickly does multiple pierces upwards.
Dtilt - Does a one 180 turn while crouching with his sword stick out.
Fsmash - Brings his sword arm to his oppisit side and slashes sidways with it.
Usmash - Brings his sword arm down to the ground in front of him and then slashes it upward and does a 180 sommersault with it cause it to attack in a full circle around him.
Dsmash - Kneels down with his sword in front of him point towards the ground and stabs the sword in one directing towards the ground then quickly in the other direction.
Nspec - Throws a javelin, can be charged. (It could be argued Ike could do this with an axe if they gave him it and he could, but there are vast differenced between an axe and lance, And axe is slower stronger and doesn't have as much range while a javelive is faster, weaker, and has more range and there are big differiences in animation)
Sspec - does thrusts of a lance and can do multiple ones depending on if you keep pressing the button and is you change the direction on the control stick. (Again Ike could do this with an axe and Marth already does it with a sword. but there are differences between sowrds, lances, and axes. Such as power, speed, range, and animation.
Dspec - Pulls out the shield of seals and guards with it. Becomes imune to attacks in the front, but cannot attack and is vunerabale in the back.
Uspec - He spins around verticlay (up/down, I couldn't think of the word for it) and travels upwards a good amount.

Give me some time to think up of airs and grab attacks, as I'm coming up black with that. But this will hopefully hold you over untill I can think up of air attacks and Grab attacks.

Then you and I are gonna disagree in just about everything, and that attitude is probably why you and I will likely butt heads and come to blows until I grow bored of arguing with you. I don't care if you like them or not, you should at least try them. Saying "I refuse to play X because I don't like that genre" is like saying "I refuse to listen to Nujabes because I dislike Rap." It is a very closed minded and (rather) annoying attitude, and you miss out on experiencing some really amazing and beautiful stuff. Word of advice, drop that and learn to be more open-minded, not only will you expand your vision and horizons, but it will make you a more likable person. Just friendly advice is all. After all, we only live once, so you should at least give yourself the opportunity to try everything once, otherwise you're not really living, just existing.

Well well well, look who jumped to assumptions on me never playing thoise kinds of fighting games before and made an ass out of himself and me. I've played hardcore fighting games before. I have played Tekken, I have played Street Fighter, I have played Dead or Alive. Each and every time I tried playing them I did not like them. They are to technical for me. Which is why I like Smash because it is the p[erfect fighting game for me. But jsut because I say I don't like a certain types of game doesn't mean I haven't played them, in fact it means the opposite. I don't comment on wether or not I like X game style unless I have played X game style. And I have played the hardcore fighting games and jsut don't like them.

 

[Gune]

One thing for sure, Marth is still not the most feminine guy in Fire Emblem. That title easily belongs to Lucius.

Holy crap! that looks like Bridget from guilty gear.

 

[FalKoopa]

Alright everybody, since I feel like I'm in the drawing mood, I'm going to be drawing some support pictures for characters in Smash Bros 4. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm taking requests.

Can I request Porky?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Holy crap! that looks like Bridget from guilty gear.

Everyone is gay for Lucius?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Draw Muddy Mole or Prince Sable.

 

[Curious Villager]

Hey whatever happened to Frostwraith, hadn't seen him in a while in the forums.

Probably still playing Fire Emblem Awakening I'd assume, or he's just busy with real life stuff that he doesn't have time to be here. Though I could have sworn I saw him here yesterday.... :/

 

[jaytalks]

Don't forget Libra.

Dude, I think we just hiveminded.

Starfy maybe?

Right down to the same picture. I remember specifically looking for the most feminine picture of Libra.

Hey whatever happened to Frostwraith, hadn't seen him in a while in the forums.

He was recently editing the signature icon thread.

OOT Ganondorf is possible with the 3DS remake, as well as the fact that using that form could make him faster, as Sakurai speakly said TP Ganondorf walked slower because he was middle aged. I would personally prefer all Zelda reps to come from different games in the series, and/or be amalgamation characters.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Alright, so I've got requests for...

Saki
Toon Zelda
Dillon
Tingle
Starfy
Waluigi
Porky
Muddy Mole
Prince Sable

That's a nice list, since I was also planning two other characters as well. Thanks for the requests.

Also, TheCreator:

Spoiler

Already drew Pac-Man.

 

[Arcanir]

Everyone is gay for Lucius?

Nah, Lucius can't match Bridget's ability to transcend gender.

Now, Libra on the other hand...

 

[Deleted member]

Mmk, well here's my most recent roster.

I took a couple gambles which I'll explain, I suppose a couple are a bit biased, but hey, what's a good roster without a bit of bias.

Obviously the bottom 4 are the "hidden characters" So like in Brawl, there are 4 characters that aren't shown in the actual roster.

The stats:
49 characters, with 45 being on the roster. 30 vets, 15 newcomers, it seems like a solid prediction to me, however, 15 newcomers certainly made it tough to really settle on the most likely final 3, and I'll explain why I went with Jr. Lyn, and Isaac.

Anyway,
-6 Mario characters: Well technically Paper Mario is the Mario RPG franchise, which is different enough if Yoshi can be different. But looking at it from a playstyle POV, there's nothing preventing both Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. from getting in. Both have tons of unique moveset potential, both are recent in Mario entries, both are fairly popular requests. I can definitely see that happening, especially with 15 newcomers to fill. Plus Mario being Nintendo's flagship franchise can get away with the most representation.

-Is that Impa I see, where's Sheik?: This is one of my gambles. Aside from the usual talk we hear Diddy say about Sheik being rather unimportant, the main reason I do this is for balance issues for Zelda's sake. I'd much rather have her be alone and a solid Zoning character. Even in P:M she suffers from having Down B Sheik, they need not be together, and if you really like Sheik that much, she can be an Alt for Impa, who'd most likely see only minor changes from what Sheik can do (though I'd opt for a totally new moveset with the same playstyle in mind).

-Isaac and Shulk: I see Shulk as a solid candidate. Isaac I've been on the fence about, but that's mostly cause I still haven't gotten around to playing GS. His popularity is what got him in in my eyes. I know he's got tons of unique moveset potential so that certainly makes him a viable and likely option going by Sakurai's current approach. Also, him and Shulk are rather different (Shulk has his neat extendo sword). Also, 'X' has no say in Shulk getting in or not. The newer protag coul always replace Shulk in future Smash games.

-Lyn over Roy? That's totally biased: Yes, it is... But I'm gambling on the fact that Sakurai is going for gameplay over popularity. This really raises Lyn's chances imo. It all depends to Takamaru and what Sakurai does with him though. I was originally gonna go with no FE newcomers, but since I needed to add 3 more, Lyn won out over the other options in my eyes.

-Snake is back, didn't you say you thought he'd be cut?: Yes I did, but out of the 5 cuts, many people felt that he should return, and as objective as I wanna be, I'd love to have Snake back. So I let my bias get the better of me on this one too. I don't see Pac-Man or any other 3rd parties happening. Snake depends on the rights to his character though.

-As for the cuts...?: Well, IC like I've said suffer from the AI issue. I like to think that like Diddy+Dixie, this will be the nail in their coffin, shame too as I like Duo characters. Toon Link, Falco, and Lucas are all very clone-like characters, and with Sakurai's new approach toward gameplay and uniqueness are very likely to be low priority entries. If we do get them, we might see them as post-development DLC, alongside Roy. Jigglypuff is another low priority character considering she barely made Brawl, so another for the grave or DLC.

So yeah, anyway, that's it. Thoughts? I don't think I'll stray from this one (ok, I might, I'm always changing my mind about things and adapting to the current ideas).

 

[Deleted member]

It being canon is actually debatable. He never uses axes in a cutscene and in every offical artwork of his he is wielding a sword, usually ragnell. But being canon or not doesn't matter in Smash. I don't mind if he gets one move that uses axes, but that is it. I only brought it up in the first place to correct your mistake on it.





They both use Aether, but their versions of Aether are different from each other. Chrom doesn't throw his sword up in the air and jumps and catches it while preforming it. And sorry but I don't see the desing similarites to him and Ike, and very few similar peronality traits. I know Lucina is based off of Marth, however using your logic of Aether she is obviously a rehash of Ike as she starts out with Aether before Chrom learns it usually.




I disagree with it being forced. It was a major part of the game and was heavily avertised and pushed in the game and if don right it wouldn't feel forced. But fin you want a friggen movset here is one for you;

Spoiler

Jabs - Slices with a overhand slash fowards moving him forward a little bit. Then does a underhand slash forward movving him forward a little bit again. Finally does a side slash and repeates side slashes from side to side until you let go of the attack button.
Ftilt - Pierces foward quickly.
Utilt - Quickly does multiple pierces upwards.
Dtilt - Does a one 180 turn while crouching with his sword stick out.
Fsmash - Brings his sword arm to his oppisit side and slashes sidways with it.
Usmash - Brings his sword arm down to the ground in front of him and then slashes it upward and does a 180 sommersault with it cause it to attack in a full circle around him.
Dsmash - Kneels down with his sword in front of him point towards the ground and stabs the sword in one directing towards the ground then quickly in the other direction.
Nspec - Throws a javelin, can be charged. (It could be argued Ike could do this with an axe if they gave him it and he could, but there are vast differenced between an axe and lance, And axe is slower stronger and doesn't have as much range while a javelive is faster, weaker, and has more range and there are big differiences in animation)
Sspec - does thrusts of a lance and can do multiple ones depending on if you keep pressing the button and is you change the direction on the control stick. (Again Ike could do this with an axe and Marth already does it with a sword. but there are differences between sowrds, lances, and axes. Such as power, speed, range, and animation.
Dspec - Pulls out the shield of seals and guards with it. Becomes imune to attacks in the front, but cannot attack and is vunerabale in the back.
Uspec - He spins around verticlay (up/down, I couldn't think of the word for it) and travels upwards a good amount.

Give me some time to think up of airs and grab attacks, as I'm coming up black with that. But this will hopefully hold you over untill I can think up of air attacks and Grab attacks.

Well well well, look who jumped to assumptions on me never playing thoise kinds of fighting games before and made an *** out of himself and me. I've played hardcore fighting games before. I have played Tekken, I have played Street Fighter, I have played Dead or Alive. Each and every time I tried playing them I did not like them. They are to technical for me. Which is why I like Smash because it is the p[erfect fighting game for me. But jsut because I say I don't like a certain types of game doesn't mean I haven't played them, in fact it means the opposite. I don't comment on wether or not I like X game style unless I have played X game style. And I have played the hardcore fighting games and jsut don't like them.

I dunno dude, I'm not into this topic anymore. I honestly don't care. You certainly aren't as much fun to argue with as Chrono was.

Anyway man, give me move than just some moves for Chrom, I could care less about what the animations look like. Give me a general playstyle and strategy, take a look at MYM or at my movesets for Lyn and Ashley to get an idea of what I mean.

Separate him from the crowd by doing more than: "b-but, he has javelins as a projectile" neat, and Ike can dash, so? How does that make him interesting? Give me some combos, give me some ideas, etc... I wanna visualize this character in the game. Once again, look at my Lyn moveset. You gotta make your words convince me that he's a better choice than the other sword users. Being kinda ok, but not as good is mediocrity and does not deserve a spot over th other options. Put yourself in the dev's chair and find inspiration for him, you gotta have passion man...

Anyway, quit being a ***** and play Blazblue, it's literally "Baby's First Competitive Arcade Fighter" it's geared toward teaching casual players what Arcade fighters are supposed to be like, SF has nothing on the Arc System Works games. And the others are 3D fighters, a totally different genre. Guilty Gear and King of Fighters are also awesome, but much more difficult to get into. BB will teach you what I mean about uniqueness in playstyle. Play it if anything for that reason. It has a roster of 25 characters where no two characters are ANYTHING alike, and each one has unique playstyles that make them exciting and different from the rest of the cast.

That's all I gotta say on that.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Mmk, well here's my most recent roster.

I took a couple gambles which I'll explain, I suppose a couple are a bit biased, but hey, what's a good roster without a bit of bias.
View attachment 1491

Obviously the bottom 4 are the "hidden characters" So like in Brawl, there are 4 characters that aren't shown in the actual roster.

The stats:
49 characters, with 45 being on the roster. 30 vets, 15 newcomers, it seems like a solid prediction to me, however, 15 newcomers certainly made it tough to really settle on the most likely final 3, and I'll explain why I went with Jr. Lyn, and Isaac.

Anyway,
-6 Mario characters: Well technically Paper Mario is the Mario RPG franchise, which is different enough if Yoshi can be different. But looking at it from a playstyle POV, there's nothing preventing both Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. from getting in. Both have tons of unique moveset potential, both are recent in Mario entries, both are fairly popular requests. I can definitely see that happening, especially with 15 newcomers to fill. Plus Mario being Nintendo's flagship franchise can get away with the most representation.

-Is that Impa I see, where's Sheik?: This is one of my gambles. Aside from the usual talk we hear Diddy say about Sheik being rather unimportant, the main reason I do this is for balance issues for Zelda's sake. I'd much rather have her be alone and a solid Zoning character. Even in P:M she suffers from having Down B Sheik, they need not be together, and if you really like Sheik that much, she can be an Alt for Impa, who'd most likely see only minor changes from what Sheik can do (though I'd opt for a totally new moveset with the same playstyle in mind).

-Isaac and Shulk: I see Shulk as a solid candidate. Isaac I've been on the fence about, but that's mostly cause I still haven't gotten around to playing GS. His popularity is what got him in in my eyes. I know he's got tons of unique moveset potential so that certainly makes him a viable and likely option going by Sakurai's current approach. Also, him and Shulk are rather different (Shulk has his neat extendo sword). Also, 'X' has no say in Shulk getting in or not. The newer protag coul always replace Shulk in future Smash games.

-Lyn over Roy? That's totally biased: Yes, it is... But I'm gambling on the fact that Sakurai is going for gameplay over popularity. This really raises Lyn's chances imo. It all depends to Takamaru and what Sakurai does with him though. I was originally gonna go with no FE newcomers, but since I needed to add 3 more, Lyn won out over the other options in my eyes.

-Snake is back, didn't you say you thought he'd be cut?: Yes I did, but out of the 5 cuts, many people felt that he should return, and as objective as I wanna be, I'd love to have Snake back. So I let my bias get the better of me on this one too. I don't see Pac-Man or any other 3rd parties happening. Snake depends on the rights to his character though.

-As for the cuts...?: Well, IC like I've said suffer from the AI issue. I like to think that like Diddy+Dixie, this will be the nail in their coffin, shame too as I like Duo characters. Toon Link, Falco, and Lucas are all very clone-like characters, and with Sakurai's new approach toward gameplay and uniqueness are very likely to be low priority entries. If we do get them, we might see them as post-development DLC, alongside Roy. Jigglypuff is another low priority character considering she barely made Brawl, so another for the grave or DLC.

So yeah, anyway, that's it. Thoughts? I don't think I'll stray from this one (ok, I might, I'm always changing my mind about things and adapting to the current ideas).

Your reason behind adding Paper Mario is flawed. It is not a similar case as Yoshi. Paper Mario is a Mario game. The RPGs are part of the Franchise. Yoshi took off to make its own franchise, as did someone like Wario or Tingle. Paper Mario is even said to be a part of Mario, on wikis and Nintendo's Mario website. "Oh, but Yoshi is still in Mario games!" Yeah, well so is DK. So either Jr. or Paper Mario in my opinion, but one of them should be replaced with the Ice Climbers (Sakurai is going to try his hardest to bring him back). I say a 9/10

 

[Deleted member]

Your reason behind adding Paper Mario is flawed. It is not a similar case as Yoshi. Paper Mario is a Mario game. The RPGs are part of the Franchise. Yoshi took off to make its own franchise, as did someone like Wario or Tingle. Paper Mario is even said to be a part of Mario, on wikis and Nintendo's Mario website. "Oh, but Yoshi is still in Mario games!" Yeah, well so is DK. So either Jr. or Paper Mario in my opinion, but one of them should be replaced with the Ice Climbers (Sakurai is going to try his hardest to bring him back). I say a 9/10

Yoshi IS a Mario franchise. Yoshi's Island is Super Mario World 2.

Besides, it's Sakurai that decides how to classify characters in his game, not you nor me.

Paper Mario is no different in that regard. Also my reasoning isn't cause it's a different franchise, it's cause both are unique characters that can make the roster independent of the other. PM can be a Mario franchise and he'd still get in. If SF and Pokemon are proof, there is not cap on the maximum number of reps a franchise can get. He's looking at characters for what they are, not in contrast to competitors from the same franchise.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, any FE character fight is just downright ********.

We have people that only care for relevancy.
We have people that look to a "pattern" that doesn't even exist.
We have people that are too biased toward particular characters.
We have people that pretty much don't give a **** about anything someone says about certain other particular characters. (In other words, too biased against particular characters.)
We have people that are hypocritical about their argumentation.
We have people that don't give good argumentation at all.
etc. and etc.

So at this point:
EFF Ike.
EFF Roy.
EFF Chrom.
EFF Lyn.
EFF Micaiah.
EFF Lucina.
EFF Anna.
EFF Robin/The Avatar.
EFF Tharja.
EFF them all to high Hell.

Just leave it at Marth and be done. He's the only one the series "needs" anyway.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

Maybe even replace ice climbers with kat and ana, would be nice

I agree, the Ice Climbers can go, Kat and ana could be better.

Go home guys, both of you are drunk.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Honestly, any FE character fight is just downright ********.

We have people that only care for relevancy.
We have people that look to a "pattern" that doesn't even exist.
We have people that are too biased toward particular characters.
We have people that pretty much don't give a **** about anything someone says about certain other particular characters. (In other words, too biased against particular characters.)
We have people that are hypocritical about their argumentation.
We have people that don't give good argumentation at all.
etc. and etc.

Welcome to 2006/2007.

 

[FalKoopa]

Just leave it at Marth and be done. He's the only one the series "needs" anyway.

This post is an appropriate reply.

Go home guys, both of you are drunk.

 

[Deleted member]

I may be fat, but I am not fat enough to be two people.

So grammatically, the response is not appropriate.

 

[Curious Villager]

Just leave it at Marth and be done. He's the only one the series "needs" anyway.

He's the only character everyone can pretty much agree on so yeah......

 

[AEMehr]

My God, everytime I read your posts, I want to punch a baby seal.

 

[Deleted member]

Ok, maybe not a baby seal.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

My ears, what the h*ll! I forgot I had my headphones on full blast.