Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[God Robert's Cousin]

Not that this hasn't already been done to death, but:

SSB4 Roster with Newcomers in Red

Justification:
King K. Rool for being one of the most requested characters as well as giving well-needed villain-support to the Donkey Kong series.
Ridley for being Ridley.
Mewtwo for being the most requested character in Smash Bros., as well as being a veteran and an important Pokemon in general.
Palutena for Kid Icarus' triple-A success with Uprising, Sakurai bias in general, and expansion to Nintendo's most recent truly revived series.
Little Mac and Isaac for representing two of the few remaining critically acclaimed series of Nintendo not yet in Smash, as well as having familiarity in the form of being Assist Trophies in Brawl.
Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, and Mega Man for all being confirmed.
K. Rool can be replaced with Dixie, Toon Link can be replaced with a different Link, Ike can be replaced with Chrom or Roy, and Lucario can be replaced with Zoroark (or dropped altogether for someone else entirely) if any of them aren't your cup of tea.

In keeping with the smaller amount of newcomers expected this time, certain series did not get new characters. Mario and Zelda are already large enough as it is. Yoshi, Wario, F-Zero, Mother, and Pikmin lack any legitimate choices to get in with a stricter selection this time around. Kirby and Star Fox already have enough aspects of their series represented from their trios already in Brawl. Fire Emblem has many possible choices but the combination of most of them losing relevancy all the time and a stricter selection in general calls for a more minimalistic approach to allow new series to come in instead. The remaining retro and 3rd-party characters shouldn't expect to have more than one character in their series in the first place.

SSB4 Roster Split between Starting and Hidden Characters

Justification:
Brawl's starting roster minus Lucas and Ike, plus Ness, Marth, Captain Falcon, Palutena, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, and Isaac. Each would have gotten a reveal on the Smash Bros. Dojo, obviously.
Luigi, Jiggs, Ganondorf, Falco, and Mr. Game & Watch are hidden as they always have been.
Toon Link, Wolf, Lucario, and R.O.B. are hidden again in that they don't contribute anything essential to the cast of starting characters, lacking the same star power as them.
Ridley and King K. Rool are star-power characters that function as an excellent foil to their series without being outright essential, making them hidden on the same grounds as Ganondorf and Wolf.
Mewtwo was hidden in Melee and missing in Brawl. For him to jump all over the place from being hidden to missing to starting would seem odd. Hence, unlockable.
Lucas and Ike are less famous than Ness and Marth. I figured that for that reason, it would make more sense to have them hidden on basis of being more atone to being "second banana" of their series' representation in Smash Bros.
Snake, Sonic, and Mega Man are hidden as 3rd parties for consistency.

That said, assuming we can look forward to DLC for characters that wouldn't make the initial cut, is there anything wrong with this as the roster? Would we be satisfied with these being the characters on-disk/cartridge? Can we be unanimous about something for once? Any legitimate flaws whatsoever that weren't already explained? I just really want to see if we can, for once, find something to agree on in this thread... I'm just really sick of the endless banter of Pokemon and Fire Emblem discussion, you know?

 

[Gam3rALO]

Another Realistic Rosta

I don't think diddly and Dixie would transform into another. If anything they will be seperate characters.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

I don't think diddly and Dixie would transform into another. If anything they will be seperate characters.

No they would be like the Ice Climbers. A tag team. I don't like the idea, but it does make sense. K Rool is more important than Dixie in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member]

Given how Sakurai tends to revisit old concepts (such as Villager), Diddy/Dixie isn't that farfetched.
Especially since tripping isn't in the game; having a tag-out to switch who is the lead Kong ala DKC2 to replace the banana peels makes sense.

 

[BKupa666]

By 2014 that logic won't work anymore.

 

[Knight Dude]

Given how Sakurai tends to revisit old concepts (such as Villager), Diddy/Dixie isn't that farfetched.
Especially since tripping isn't in the game; having a tag-out to switch who is the lead Kong ala DKC2 to replace the banana peels makes sense.

Wait...Tripping as a whole was removed? I thought it was just the randomized tripping that was removed. It'd make sense for Diddy's bananas to still trip, since well it's a banana peel on the floor. But aside from that I still feel Diddy will stay separate from Dixie. Though the whole revisiting old ideas is interesting nonetheless.

 

[MagnesD3]

I don't think diddly and Dixie would transform into another. If anything they will be seperate characters.

Well the diddy and dixie duo was Sakurai's original vision this is why I think it will come into fruition. I imagine it would be similar to ice climber combined with a transformation character, the second character can do attacks with the character up front sometimes but most of the time they are just in the background, and you can switch characters with b down.

 

[BKupa666]

About the whole Sakurai revisiting old ideas bit? It only applies to some of his ideas, not all of them...just because something has crossed his mind in the past does not mean it will be at the top of his priorities the next game. He may have put in old ideas like Mewtwo, King Dedede and the Final Smashes, but he left out all of the non-Ice Climbers retro characters he thought about in Melee, as well as Sukapon.

Villager is also proof that not all of his old ideas are visible within the Forbidden 7 data.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Personally, I'd like Diddy to stay by himself.
If Dixie is a character, she should be paired up with Kiddy Kong, like in DKC3, and be able to tag out with him.

 

[Reznor]

Personally, I'd like Diddy to stay by himself.
If Dixie is a character, she should be paired up with Kiddy Kong, like in DKC3, and be able to tag out with him.

wanting kiddy kong in smash
I have still never met a person who likes kiddy

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

wanting kiddy kong in smash
I have still never met a person who likes kiddy

Well, the purpose would be to have Diddy stay by himself while still having a tag-out character similar to Sakurai's original plans for Diddy. It could also make Dixie stand out more from Diddy.

If there's only a third DK character, though, I want K.Rool.
Not exactly sure who is more predictable. Him, or Dixie?

Dixie has the Tropical Freeze thing going for her, but there's a chance that K.Rool might turn out to be in the game, and Sakurai's team might've already finished plannng and started development on the fighters before hearing about Tropical Freeze.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Wait...Tripping as a whole was removed? I thought it was just the randomized tripping that was removed.

We don't know how extensive this goes. Tripping is removed, but we don't know if that's referring to random tripping, or tripping as a whole.

 

[Reznor]

Well, the purpose would be to have Diddy stay by himself while still having a tag-out character similar to Sakurai's original plans for Diddy. It could also make Dixie stand out more from Diddy.

If there's only a third DK character, though, I want K.Rool.
Not exactly sure who is more predictable. Him, or Dixie?

Dixie has the Tropical Freeze thing going for her, but there's a chance that K.Rool might turn out to be in the game, and Sakurai's team might've already finished plannng and started development on the fighters before hearing about Tropical Freeze.

I put my money on Dixie just seems more likely sorry King K. Rool

 

[3Bismyname]

at this point when it comes to Dixie and K Rool, their chances are fairly even i'd say. K Rool for being the iconic DK villain, and Dixie for her multiple appearences and importance within the games she appears. personally i think the DK series could warrant both as it is one of their bigger series. if i could only choose one i'd choose K Rool because of his gameplay potential. but i could still very well see Dixie making it. it just better not be as a tag team with Diddy.

 

[BluePikmin11]

You guys think Ness will be revealed tomorrow, given that Earthbound has finally released on Virtual Console.

 

[3Bismyname]

You guys think Ness will be revealed tomorrow, given that Earthbound has finally released on Virtual Console.

yeah either Lucas or Ness are possible for an upcoming reveal. whoever is on the starting roster really

 

[Rinnin]

I don't know how I feel about another reveal so soon; it hasn't even been a week since Olimar showed up on the site...

Pikmin's thing was that it was the first new game for the series in almost a decade; it was huge and Pikmin does have a respectably-sized fanbase. I'm not saying that it isn't big for Earthbound as well, since it's a new release, but it's not really a new game. I... don't really consider that the same, honestly. But I guess we'll see. I don't think anything's happening with Earthbound in Japan though, is it? I'll admit I don't know (or care) much for the series.

(This is also why I don't think we're getting reveals for every release from a franchise. Mario and Pokemon, for example, get new games all the time. ... Though X/Y seems to be pretty huge, so we're probably getting a new Pokemon reveal around that time anyway. Eh, I don't know. Speculatory.)

 

[TumblrFamous]

yeah either Lucas or Ness are possible for an upcoming reveal. whoever is on the starting roster really

Personally, I'm just going to lower my expectations and wait for new pictures. Just so when a new character is announced I can be even more excited than ever. I can hardly wait for the next character reveal, but only time will tell. I'm hoping for Zelda, though.

 

[mimgrim]

Welp it is offcial. Samus is a murder and because of that Ridley is deconfirmed as Metroid only has room for one sadistic rep and Samus fits that bill now.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Alright, good afternoon everyone! I have a good amount of goodies for you today.

Spoiler

Thank you to everyone who requested and I hope you enjoy. Note: This was my first time drawing a majority of these characters, so if they don't look that good, apologies in advance.

So, what's the topic right now?

 

[Reznor]

Welp it is offcial. Samus is a murder and because of that Ridley is deconfirmed as Metroid only has room for one sadistic rep and Samus fits that bill now.

first the metroid now the pikmin when will the madness end

 

[BluePikmin11]

@Hotfeet If Ness is gonna be revealed tomorrow due to Earthbound releasing today :DDD

 

[AEMehr]

Alright, good afternoon everyone! I have a good amount of goodies for you today.

Spoiler

Thank you to everyone who requested and I hope you enjoy.

So, what's the topic right now?

there is no baby seal
;-;

But I suppose Muddy, Dillon, and WAAH-luigi make up for it.

 

[mimgrim]

So, what's the topic right now?

How Samus being a sadistic murderer now deconfirms Ridley.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Samus is a sadistic murderer? Please, it looks like she's in some sort of rave party or something with those sweet moves.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sabure Prince looks pretty adult, I like that alot Hotfeet.

 

[FalKoopa]

Wow, they're awesome, Hotfeet.

Adding the Tingle and Porky ones to their respective threads.

 

[Hotfeet444]

@Hotfeet If Ness is gonna be revealed tomorrow due to Earthbound releasing today :DDD

I don't know, Ness is usually a hidden character, so maybe if Lucas is returning, they'll reveal him instead since he's a starter character.

there is no baby seal
;-;

But I suppose Muddy, Dillon, and WAAH-luigi make up for it.

Kinda got the request a little too late.

How Samus being a sadistic murderer now deconfirms Ridley.

I guess Ganondorf is deconfirmed as well.

 

[Reznor]

Hotfeet444 love the Waluigi he looks awesome

 

[BluePikmin11]

Wow, they're awesome, Hotfeet.

Adding the Tingle and Porky ones to their respective threads.

I probably should do the same for the Sable thread. I added tons of stuff in the OP yesterday, so why not.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Glad to do it, I may have to do another request session sometime soon.

 

[BluePikmin11]

How bout you draw Anna, it would make me very happy!

 

[TumblrFamous]

Hotfeet I'm loving Saki and Muddy Mole.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I'd love to see a Masked Man drawing and Isaac.

 

[Ninka_kiwi]

So anyone else besides me thinking that if Wonder Red from W101 gets in Sm4sh, he's going to be announced during the W101 Nintendo Direct that was teased by Nintendo during the direct mini?

Also I'd be so okay with Ness being revealed tomorrow, does anyone know if Mother 2 is coming out in Japan as well tomorrow? If that's the case, I think we can say almost a 90% chance he gets announced.

 

[Deleted member]

He may have put in old ideas like Mewtwo, King Dedede and the Final Smashes, but he left out all of the non-Ice Climbers retro characters he thought about in Melee, as well as Sukapon.

How many times do I have to explain this? He didn't "think about" other Retros, he just made a list of options and went through process of elimination until he was left with the Ice Climbers.
As for Sukapon, that's still debatable.

However, what you're talking about are characters that were denied. What I'm talking about is a concept he initially planned on, but had to change when it could not be implemented.
Bowser, Mewtwo, Dedede, and Final Smashes are examples of this, which you mentioned.
The denied Retros/Sukapon? Not so much.

Villager is also proof that not all of his old ideas are visible within the Forbidden 7 data.

That is rather irrelevant to the discussion.
Villager, while he had some ideas for how he could theoretically (at the time) fight, it wasn't a planned concept like Diddy/Dixie. He decided against adding Villager (or any "non-fighter" character) early on, whereas Diddy/Dixie had to be altered due to complications.

 

[BKupa666]

How many times do I have to explain this? He didn't "think about" other Retros, he just made a list of options and went through process of elimination until he was left with the Ice Climbers.
As for Sukapon, that's still debatable.

However, what you're talking about are characters that were denied. What I'm talking about is a concept he initially planned on, but had to change when it could not be implemented.
Bowser, Mewtwo, Dedede, and Final Smashes are examples of this, which you mentioned.
The denied Retros/Sukapon? Not so much.

That is rather irrelevant to the discussion.
Villager, while he had some ideas for how he could theoretically (at the time) fight, it wasn't a planned concept like Diddy/Dixie. He decided against adding Villager (or any "non-fighter" character) early on, whereas Diddy/Dixie had to be altered due to complications.

I don't believe you've explained it at all before, at least not to me. This seems more of a difference in semantics between 'thought about' and 'planned' than anything, with the former being far broader than the latter.

 

[Deleted member]

I've said it multiple times on this board, so it means it happened to all be when you weren't online and following, I guess.

In that case, I'll explain again.
How Sakurai picked the Ice Climbers was not a matter of "couldn't add so and so or such and such" like people assumed it was.
Going by what he says on the Ice Climber's page on the Melee "Dojo", he compiled a list of NES stars, and eliminated them from the list to leave only one left standing. The one left standing would be who he goes with.
He mentions Balloon Fighter, Urban Champion, Excitebiker, and Bubbles and the reasons they were eliminated as examples as to how he went through this process, while stating that the Ice Climbers had "no such reasoning".

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Sukapon's really one of those things that's up in the air, and if I'm to be frank, I really don't think Sakurai gives a **** for his status as the first fighting game under Nintendo. (Even though that's stupid sfa; )

edit: Oh, and while his poll results may be something especially in the U.S. for noticing him, there were still quite a few obscure characters in that/via email.

Assist Trophy is totally possible.

 

[Hotfeet444]

We talkin about Sukapon now?

I can support that. :3