Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[FlareHabanero]

Hey, Hotfeet, do you have an archive for all of these images by any chance?

Oh, and while his poll results may be something especially in the U.S. for noticing him, there were still quite a few obscure characters in that/via email.

There was not a poll like that.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Sukapon is one of those things that really hinges on many factors yet such little at all. I think it's really if the other producers with Sakurai find him interesting or not when digging up Nintendo's history. Thankfully, by that logic, he can never miss the wagon to come in, but it really makes you wonder.

Then again, many characters talked about for Smash 4 don't even have a trophy. I'd love Sukapon not only because he's a great character but he's important to history.

There was not a poll like that.

Sorry for the double post mods but there was those "Emails sent to him in Japan' (Somebody has the list) and the NSider poll.

By the by, for people asking about the NS poll, I'm in talks with a few people who were there AND actually voted, so I might have something to share soon.

 

[MargnetMan23]

Also Hotfeet, draw omastar I'm sure he's not as important as baby seal but still

 

[Hotfeet444]

Hey, Hotfeet, do you have an archive for all of these images by any chance?



There was not a poll like that.

I do actually, it's my tumblr account for the most part.

http://hotfeet444.tumblr.com

Just going to warn you, there are a couple of things on here that make me look like an @$$hole. If you don't mind fanboys being bashed, then I don't think you'll have a problem.

Edit: I apologize for any stupid fanboy comments in advance

 

[BluePikmin11]

We talkin about Sukapon now?

I can support that. :3

That's a nice look for Sukapon

 

[CalumG]

Sukapon is one of those things that really hinges on many factors yet such little at all. I think it's really if the other producers with Sakurai find him interesting or not when digging up Nintendo's history. Thankfully, by that logic, he can never miss the wagon to come in, but it really makes you wonder.

Then again, many characters talked about for Smash 4 don't even have a trophy. I'd love Sukapon not only because he's a great character but he's important to history.

I really feel as if people overstate Sukapon's importance to Nintendo's history. It may have been one of Nintendo's earlier attempts at the fighting genre, but what has it actually contributed to Nintendo's legacy overall?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Just call Sukapon a retro.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Sukapon would probably end up getting in as a Retro instead of a WTF. I really doubt a *** only character for Retro, though.

I really feel as if people overstate Sukapon's importance to Nintendo's history. It may have been one of Nintendo's earlier attempts at the fighting genre, but what has it actually contributed to Nintendo's legacy overall?

Oh, I meant to say to Ninetndo's fighting game history. If you want real history though, people who worked on JMF moved to work on later smash bros games. If you don't think that's important... I'm not even going to bother.

In all fairness, a lot of characters in Smash aren't technically important to a specific part of Nintendo's history, but yeah. Sukapon's (Or rather, JMF) is more important to Nintendo's fighting game history, which is very scarce even with Smash Bros.

 

[CalumG]

Sukapon would probably end up getting in as a Retro instead of a WTF. I really doubt a *** only character for Retro, though.


Oh, I meant to say to Ninetndo's fighting game history. If you want real history though, people who worked on JMF moved to work on later smash bros games. If you don't think that's important... I'm not even going to bother.

If my sources are correct, Nintendo R&D1 made Joy Mech Fight - that is, the people who went on to make Wario Land, WarioWare, Metroid Fusion etc. And as far as researching individual personnel, the Lead Designer, Programmer, Graphic Designer and animator each went on to do various projects, none of which were Smash Bros.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

If my sources are correct, Nintendo R&D1 made Joy Mech Fight - that is, the people who went on to make Wario Land, WarioWare, Metroid Fusion etc. And as far as researching individual personnel, the Lead Designer, Programmer, Graphic Designer and animator each went on to do various projects, none of which were Smash Bros.

Yeah, I know they did other stuff.

Did you check every individual? I'm pretty sure some of them at least gave on assets to help with Smash 64, at the very least.

 

[CalumG]

Yeah, I know they did other stuff.

Did you check every individual? I'm pretty sure some of them at least gave on assets to help with Smash 64, at the very least.

I checked every individual who had significant involvement with Joy Mech Fight, and none of them, to my knowledge, went on to help with Smash Bros. (or again, not in any significant way). I think this may be one of those cases of somebody getting their information wrong in the Brawl days, people citing that as evidence, and it getting out of hand to the point where these days dozens of people think it's true, like people who think Meowth was supposed to be playable in Smash 64. xD

EDIT: Yep, there were only like 14 members of staff for Joy Mecha Fight in fairness, but none of them have any involvement with Smash except for the Sound Designer contributing to Brawl (for the Famicom Medley). Just one of those Smash Community urban legends, I suppose.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I checked every individual who had significant involvement with Joy Mech Fight, and none of them, to my knowledge, went on to help with Smash Bros. (or again, not in any significant way). I think this may be one of those cases of somebody getting their information wrong in the Brawl days, people citing that as evidence, and it getting out of hand to the point where these days dozens of people think it's true, like people who think Meowth was supposed to be playable in Smash 64. xD

EDIT: Yep, there were only like 14 members of staff for Joy Mecha Fight in fairness, but none of them have any involvement with Smash except for the Sound Designer contributing to Brawl (for the Famicom Medley). Just one of those Smash Community urban legends, I suppose.

It's probably not an urban legend considering I heard it around other parts, but what does happen with Game Design a lot (That most people in here don't know) is people helping and only getting on the credits. I didn't get it from anyone on here, I just have this habit at knowing really useless stuff/useful stuff even if I'm sometimes wrong (Which I'm fully willing to admit) xD

Either way, it's probably not possible to confirm/deny this until actually talking with the people who did work on the games.

 

[CalumG]

It's probably not an urban legend considering I heard it around other parts, but what does happen with Game Design a lot (That most people in here don't know) is people helping and only getting on the credits. I didn't get it from anyone on here, I just have this habit at knowing really useless stuff/useful stuff even if I'm sometimes wrong (Which I'm fully willing to admit) xD

Either way, it's probably not possible to confirm/deny this until actually talking with the people who did work on the games.

Well, aside from none of the staff having apparent involvement, a quick Google Search of the two games (and of relations between HAL Labs and R&D1) turns up with nothing but support threads for Sukapon in Smash. I think, until proven otherwise, it's the safer and more logical option to assume that the Joy Mech Fight developers weren't involved with Smash Bros, and its just a rumour borne out of misinformation and gameplay similarities (both games having notoriously simple/easy-to-learn control schemes, tap-jumping, and other attributes). Wherever it came from though, it's certainly been circulating for a while - I remember hearing similar claims way back in the day on the original NSider before it got shut down.

I would love to see Sukapon playable whether his game was related to Smash or not; I just find it odd that multiple people use that as reasoning for him being in Smash, when there seems to be no solid evidence for any of JMF's developers having an involvement in Smash or HAL laboratory.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I would love to see Sukapon playable whether his game was related to Smash or not; I just find it odd that multiple people use that as reasoning for him being in Smash, when there seems to be no solid evidence for any of JMF's developers having an involvement in Smash or HAL laboratory.

Oh trust me, I'm not saying it as a reason for him to be in Smash, and if I were, I'd imply a lot of other ridiculous characters. I'm just saying JMF is still significant to at least some histories of Nintendo. Not many singular games are that significant to Nintendo, truthfully. (When it comes to History, not sales. History =/= Sales)

Sukapon would be awesome regardless, yeah

 

[Opossum]

Sukapon would probably end up getting in as a Retro instead of a WTF. I really doubt a *** only character for Retro, though.
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I feel the need to ask your opinion on Takamaru, considering he's Japanese-only. Do you feel the same way about him?


Oh, and Hotfeet, do you mind me putting that Muddy drawing in the Muddy thread? He needs more fanart.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I feel the need to ask your opinion on Takamaru, considering he's Japanese-only. Do you feel the same way about him?

Yes, but to a slightly lesser extent. I'm not sure if his appearance in that one fighting game is japanese only, but based on the producers in the past, I'm not even sure if they'll care much for that. If his VC release is north-american though, that might be more power to him, and nintendo has been stated to work on new IP's and more revivals.

In short, I believe it does effect Takamaru, but probably a little bit less than Sukapon at very least.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I feel the need to ask your opinion on Takamaru, considering he's Japanese-only. Do you feel the same way about him?


Oh, and Hotfeet, do you mind me putting that Muddy drawing in the Muddy thread? He needs more fanart.

No problem at all, feel free to.

As for those that have left requests, I'll do them at a later time, I'm taking a break from that right now.

 

[FlareHabanero]

It effects Takamaru less in a sense, considering The Mysterious Murasame Castle has generally more exposure then Joy Mech Fight. So, there is already a sense of familiarity.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

It effects Takamaru less in a sense, considering The Mysterious Murasame Castle has generally more exposure then Joy Mech Fight. So, there is already a sense of familiarity.

I'm not sure about Japan but I really doubt that in the U.S. it'll effect much unless it's dramatically more. Though I'm not shocked at all of the former being emulated more than the latter. If I remember right, it got a translation patch earlier as well.

 

[Hotfeet444]

It effects Takamaru less in a sense, considering The Mysterious Murasame Castle has generally more exposure then Joy Mech Fight. So, there is already a sense of familiarity.

Not to mention that Takamaru has had exposure through appearances in Samurai Warriors 3 and NintendoLand, so people do have a good gist of who he is. Sukapon, on the other hand, almost nobody knew who he was before he was a sticker in Brawl.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

It effects Takamaru less in a sense, considering The Mysterious Murasame Castle has generally more exposure then Joy Mech Fight. So, there is already a sense of familiarity.

Plus we just got Nintendo Land. So everyone who bought the Deluxe Wii U knows who Takamaru is.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Plus we just got Nintendo Land. So everyone who bought the Deluxe Wii U knows who Takamaru is.

...

Okay, that's pushing it

(Though I don't know if Takamaru actually appears in the minigame)

 

[Ninka_kiwi]

...

Okay, that's pushing it

(Though I don't know if Takamaru actually appears in the minigame)

Close enough? The minigame is also called "Takamaru's Ninja Castle" sooooo....

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Takamaru appeared in his original game as well as Samurai Warriors 3.

Takamaru's Ninja Castle does not actually feature Takamaru in the mini-game, unless you count your Mii's costume. He's only there in name-sake. The fact that it's still his series though is still pretty significant.

 

[TheBakonBitz]

There isn't any Pokemon or Kid Icarus attractions, but there is a Takumaru attraction, so he must be important in the eyes on Nintendo.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Sure. I wouldn't say every Wii U Deluxe owner, but it certainly does help, if only a bit.

 

[FlareHabanero]

There isn't any Pokemon or Kid Icarus attractions, but there is a Takumaru attraction, so he must be important in the eyes on Nintendo.

I think it has to do more with what franchises were readily available to the developers.

Note how every franchise represented in Nintendo Land is based on something developed internally by Nintendo. This means stuff like Nintendo EAD and such. This is why we have nothing based on, say, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Kirby, Mother, and such.

It's not just Nintendo Land, other games also follow a similar type of cameo style. Like for example, in Animal Crossing New Leaf, there is references to other franchises but it's limited to Super Mario Bros., Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda, Pikmin, Metroid, Star Fox, and F-Zero.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I think it has to do more with what franchises were readily available to the developers.

Note how every franchise represented in Nintendo Land is based on something developed internally by Nintendo. This means stuff like Nintendo EAD and such. This is why we have nothing based on, say, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Kirby, Mother, and such.

It's not just Nintendo Land, other games also follow a similar type of cameo style. Like for example, in Animal Crossing New Leaf, there is references to other franchises but it's limited to Super Mario Bros., Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda, Pikmin, Metroid, Star Fox, and F-Zero.

Well, Gulliver also references Paper Mario by mentioning Bobbery and Rogueport, AKA Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door. It'd be kind of funny if they existed in the same world, lots of games these days like to do that.

Also, everyone, I've got a serious question because I've been getting messages almost all morning regarding this one picture.

Spoiler

People accordingly found this artwork of Sonic that has no connection to any Sonic games right now, and people are actually claiming it's his art in Smash Bros 4. Does anyone know what game this is from so I can de-confirm it?

 

[Thirdkoopa]

No matter what it's from, it looks good. I can't deny that.

 

[mimgrim]

Well, Gulliver also references Paper Mario by mentioning Bobbery and Rogueport, AKA Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door. It'd be kind of funny if they existed in the same world, lots of games these days like to do that.

Also, everyone, I've got a serious question because I've been getting messages almost all morning regarding this one picture.

Spoiler

People accordingly found this artwork of Sonic that has no connection to any Sonic games right now, and people are actually claiming it's his art in Smash Bros 4. Does anyone know what game this is from so I can de-confirm it?

Can you give me a link of the pic? As IE doesn't let me copy links from pics given on a forum site. :/

 

[CalumG]

Safest assumption would obviously be that it comes from Lost World. I'm not sure what it is about the image - I really can't put my finger on it - but something about it does not seem particularly consistent with the art revealed for the other characters in Smash 4 right now, and the positioning of the character (and his mouth in particular) looks far too awkward to be done by the Smash team, as opposed to Sonic Team who are pretty much notorious for somehow contorting Sonic and putting him in poses that look unnatural (often for reasons unexplainable).

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Hmmm... I don't know if that is his art for Smash 4. It doesn't look like the other characters for the most part. Like Mario, Link, etc...

I mean I'd probably **** myself if it was, but i'm kinda doubting this unfortunately

 

[Curious Villager]

Well, Gulliver also references Paper Mario by mentioning Bobbery and Rogueport, AKA Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door. It'd be kind of funny if they existed in the same world, lots of games these days like to do that.

Also, everyone, I've got a serious question because I've been getting messages almost all morning regarding this one picture.

Spoiler

People accordingly found this artwork of Sonic that has no connection to any Sonic games right now, and people are actually claiming it's his art in Smash Bros 4. Does anyone know what game this is from so I can de-confirm it?

It might belong to that one unrevealed third Sonic game perhaps.... Wasn't there supposed to be another unrevealed Sonic game in the works along with Sonic Lost World and all?

 

[Hotfeet444]

Can you give me a link of the pic? As IE doesn't let me copy links from pics given on a forum site. :/

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/067/0/0/sonic_the_hedgehog_by_mintenndo-d5xf9qj.png

Turns out it was just a fan with too much time on his hands.

 

[BluePikmin11]

It's from deviantart.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Also, everyone, I've got a serious question because I've been getting messages almost all morning regarding this one picture.

Spoiler

People accordingly found this artwork of Sonic that has no connection to any Sonic games right now, and people are actually claiming it's his art in Smash Bros 4. Does anyone know what game this is from so I can de-confirm it?

I've done some quick research regarding to this image.

It seems like there isn't anything in particular this image is connected. Not to mention the art style is a tad different from any current game being developed, like Sonic Lost World. Whether or not this is official or connected to anything in particular, I cannot say with a straight face.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I've done some quick research regarding to this image.

It seems like there isn't anything in particular this image is connected. Not to mention the art style is a tad different from any current game being developed, like Sonic Lost World. Whether or not this is official or connected to anything in particular, I cannot say with a straight face.

Turns out it was nothing more than a fan with too much time on their hands. How he got such a detailed model of Sonic I have no idea, especially considering I use Gmod and the models available for Sonic are nowhere near that detailed.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Well the eyes look VERY 2Dimensional and the lips look excessively 3Dimensional. At least that's what it appears to me.

Most of the Lost World art has Sonic with an open mouth though... At least from what I've seen so far.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's official artwork for something. There is no way somebody made that for no reason. It doesn't have anything to do with the Mario & Sonic games. It also seems that if that were connected to Lost World, it would be seen everywhere as art for that game.

As much as I would like to believe that it's for Smash, I don't know that it's the same artwork for the other characters. Maybe we can try and get a comparison up in here?

 

[BKupa666]

I don't think that's a Smash image, simply because all of the existing character renders have visible shadows, which Sonic lacks here.