Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

I don't think it's disrespectful. The characters are there at the pleasure of Nintendo. It was not a guarantee about them being the next one. Putting both characters together like that doesn't make sense. They are not a package deal. They are just likely to come back as one of is cut or even both are to get cut.

Dont you think they would be treated equally though? Sakurai is a humble guy, and also respectful of each character and series. It would make more sense for him to treat their guest appearances in the same manner, and not favor one over the other. Sure he doesnt have to be respectful either, but id say with as much personal thought that sakurai puts into each character (and after he said how much anguish he goes through for it), i dont think hes gonna play any favoritism towards sonic over snake, when the fans and their favorites also play a part in that decision too.

 

[Starbound]

I do think that if one of Snake/Sonic gets cut, the other one should get cut as well. If I were Sakurai, I wouldn't want to show possible preference between the companies. I doubt it'd be considered good business, and I wouldn't want to choose between the Smash Fans (Sonic) and his friendship with Kojima (Snake).

 

[EddyBearr]

Why else would he be "impossible"?

A complete and utter lack of individualistic personality. He comes off as "nothing more than a snarling beast" as opposed to a character.

 

[Swift Fox]

changes:
Falco over Krystal (Sad to see Krystal with her potential new unique movesets to go for cloned fighter >_>)
Roy over ROB64
Ridley over Nabooru

I think this is the most realistic roster yet. yeah?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I'm somewhat pessimistic about Snake.
I'd like him to return with Sonic, but the team might have to cut one of the original 3rd-parties, and I imagine there'd be a huge uproar if Sonic was the one cut.

I do think that if one of Snake/Sonic gets cut, the other one should get cut as well. If I were Sakurai, I wouldn't want to show possible preference between the companies. I doubt it'd be considered good business, and I wouldn't want to choose between the Smash Fans (Sonic) and his friendship with Kojima (Snake).

I sure hope that's his mindset on the third-parties.

A complete and utter lack of individualistic personality. He comes off as "nothing more than a snarling beast" as opposed to a character.

Bowser is pretty "primitive" himself in Melee and Brawl.

Ridley has been shown to talk, though. Not sure if he's talked in the games, but he spoke to Samus on the day he attacked her home planet and killed her parents. Not sure if that makes him a character in your eyes.

changes:
Falco over Krystal (Sad to see Krystal with her potential new unique movesets to go for cloned fighter >_>)
Roy over ROB64
Ridley over Nabooru

I think this is the most realistic roster yet. yeah?

Can't think of much to say about this one.
K.Rool should be in, possibly replacing Bandana Dee.

Having Ike, Meta Knight, Diddy Kong, Wario, and Olimar become unlockable is interesting...

I can see Lucas being unlockable, though, if they make Falcon and Ness starters again like in Melee.

Game and Watch being a starter feels odd. I assume you made him a starter because he was on that one drawing with all the other characters.

 

[Swift Fox]

Well, I added some to the unlockable list what I see fits and find it interesting. It would be funny to see people's reaction for not finding their favorite fighters as the starters and afraid whether some got cut or not.

Also, I like the last part of your post XD

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

@swiftfox: I would bet we get a new DK rep in the form of K. Rool or Dixie. As well, I find your lack of new franchises surprising. Counting both Wii fit, animal crossing, and Megaman, you only have one more new franchise.

I think we would get more than than 4 for SSB4.

 

[zauberdragon]

changes:
Falco over Krystal (Sad to see Krystal with her potential new unique movesets to go for cloned fighter >_>)
Roy over ROB64
Ridley over Nabooru

I think this is the most realistic roster yet. yeah?

Overall pretty decent.

I think we'll get more 3rd party reps than just MegaMan. At the very least I think Sonic will make it back.

I'm not a huge fan of Waddle Dee but I agree he's the most likely new Kirby rep. Personally I find Waddle Dee generic, it'd be like putting a goomba or Metroid in in my eyes. Still, if he's got that spear and bandanna I could just about live with it.

I'd love to see Tom Nook make an appearance. A few months ago I would've called you crazy but I'd say he has a good chance now.

Seeing as it's got some of my favourite potential new characters it looks good. However if it was me I'd say remove Waddle Dee, add a new franchise and add another 3rd party.

 

[josh bones]

changes:
Falco over Krystal (Sad to see Krystal with her potential new unique movesets to go for cloned fighter >_>)
Roy over ROB64
Ridley over Nabooru

I think this is the most realistic roster yet. yeah?

It has Waddle dee. This roster is perfect.

 

[mimgrim]

changes:
Falco over Krystal (Sad to see Krystal with her potential new unique movesets to go for cloned fighter >_>)
Roy over ROB64
Ridley over Nabooru

I think this is the most realistic roster yet. yeah?

I really really doubt Kirby will be getting a 4th rep. Roy getting in over Crhom just seems unlikely. DK will most likely be getting a 3rd rep. If Mewtwo comes back it's gonna most likely be in his new form, I just don't see him coming back any other way if he comes back. I also see Lucario getting replaced by Zoroak. You really need at least one more third party and couple more new franchises. I really doubt AC will be getting 2 reps. Otherwise seems ok.

 

[TheTuninator]

I really doubt that we'll see Waddle Dee as that would necessitate a complete rework of both DDD's side-B and his Final Smash. Sure, they could change these moves, but both of them are pretty iconic to the character's Smash incarnation. I don't see it happening.

 

[johno1995]

51 characters: 25 starters/26 unlockables
Cuts from Brawl: Toon Link (Zelda), Pokemon Trainer: Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard (Pokemon, replaced by Unova Trainer: Oshawott/Servine/Emboar), Lucario (Pokemon), and Snake (3rd Party)

Pokemon was the toughest series, just in terms of the generations and what should be represented. Every generation has gotten a representative EXCEPT for the 3rd, 5th and 6th. Keeping Jigglypuff because of her new Fairy typing would represent both the 1st and 6th generations, same with Mewtwo possibly using his new form (whether it be as his permanent design, a transformation, or Final Smash). Plusle & Minun could be great 3rd generation representatives, as they were advertised quite a bit throughout the 3rd generation. Hoenn remakes are very possible too, so perhaps they could hint at that. They'd also be great "surprise" characters. The Trainer was replaced by the Unova trainer, who uses Oshawott, Servine and Emboar as his Pokemon.

Toon Link was cut in favor of Toon Zelda, who would have her own transformation whether it be Tetra or Phantom Zelda. Skull Kid was added for nostalgic/surprise purposes, as well as with the hope of a new moveset.​

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Those seemed to be the only things I really wanted to explain from my roster.^^ Tried to go for something a bit more unconventional, but still realistic. All this talk of cuts makes me feel like I didn't cut enough, but I feel like there's no point in a ridiculous amount of cuts so 3 (technically 6 since Squirtle/Ivy/Char had unique movesets) seems fair to me...​

 

[Sid-cada]

I really doubt that we'll see Waddle Dee as that would necessitate a complete rework of both DDD's side-B and his Final Smash. Sure, they could change these moves, but both of them are pretty iconic to the character's Smash incarnation. I don't see it happening.

Are you so sure? I mean, the fact that he has the nickname "Bandana Dee," plus a spear and a dark red coloration (compared to normal Waddle Dee's orange), was enough to separate them in Return to Dreamland. They could even give him a different animations, if they wanted.

As much as I want him in, I still think it's not quite his time yet, though.

 

[josh bones]

I really doubt that we'll see Waddle Dee as that would necessitate a complete rework of both DDD's side-B and his Final Smash. Sure, they could change these moves, but both of them are pretty iconic to the character's Smash incarnation. I don't see it happening.

The waddle dees he throws are mindless. An actual character with actual attacks wouldn't be.

 

[TheTuninator]

The waddle dees he throws are mindless. An actual character with actual attacks wouldn't be.

Yeah, I know. It'd just be demeaning to the character if another used him, or even a version of him, as a throwable. Same reason Peach would probably need to lose her Toad counter if we got Toad in SSB4.

Mind you, I loved him in Return to Dreamland. His spear moveset was awesome. I just don't see him as playable. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[FlareHabanero]

A complete and utter lack of individualistic personality. He comes off as "nothing more than a snarling beast" as opposed to a character.

I guess we should scrap about 80% of the roster considering they have the personality of a bag of sand.

 

[josh bones]

Yeah, I know. It'd just be demeaning to the character if another used him, or even a version of him, as a throwable. Same reason Peach would probably need to lose her Toad counter if we got Toad in SSB4.

Mind you, I loved him in Return to Dreamland. His spear moveset was awesome. I just don't see him as playable. Maybe I'm wrong.

He's probably not going to get in, but if he does, I'd play this game forever

 

[Deleted member]

You think it will end with him being revealed?!

Gif inserted.


And I was going to give a serious argument about the issue....until I saw the COMPLETELY IDIOTIC argument of "oh, then let's add Marx and Andross then DURR".

Why do all Ridley detractors go to such ******** extremes?

"OMG HE TOO BIG!"
"HE TOO COOL TO BE SMALL; SMALL MAKES HIM UNCOOL!"
"HE TOO SCARY!"
"HE TOO DUMB!" (ironic, really)

Whenever Olimar is brought up:
"THAT DON'T COUNT BECAUSE *insert one of the following bull**** arguments*!"
Bull**** arguments include:
a) "OLIMAR HAS NO ONE TO COMPARE TO FROM HIS WORLD LIKE RIDLEY!"
Olimar has an established size as being the same height as a US quarter (with or without his antenna, I don't remember.) The next highest character to compare to would be the 8 inch Kirby. Regardless of being set in a different world, 8 inches is still frigging big compared to the size of a quarter. Established size canon trumphs the "different world" excuse. As for in-universe examples, don't get me started on the Pokémon.
b) "UPSCALING IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM DOWNSCALING!"
No, it's not. That's all that needs to be said about this pathetic excuse for an argument. At this point, this is showing the detractors ran out of ideas and are just pulling arguments out of a hat.

Whenever Bowser is brought up:
"THAT DON'T COUNT BECAUSE MAGIC *SNORT SNORT*!"
Magic only applies to when Bowser goes mega-Kaiju size for final battles, and at those points, he's bigger than any size Ridley has ever been.
Magic is not an excuse for every other instance in main Mario games where Bowser naturally towers over Mario. Which includes Super Mario 64, the last main Mario game before his debut in Smash Bros.
The only times (outside of old games due to limitations) that Bowser is a feasible size are when he's a playable character. W-what? You mean to tell me that Bowser has to be SHRUNK to fit as a playable character? Go figure.

Last act of desperation:
"THEN WHY NOT INCLUDE *insert ridiculous idea here* TOO, THEN?!?"
Ridiculous ideas include any large character or object for the sake of being large.
No logic is used within this argument whatsoever, and thus examples such as Andross (who is just a giant HEAD), the moon from Majora's Mask (just a big piece of rock that isn't even alive), Marx (a one-time Kirby villain. Ironically enough, he isn't really "too big" at all.) are used.

I mean full offense on this: Most Ridley retractors are idiots with no decent argumentation.

 

[FalKoopa]

Marx being playable would be awesome, actually.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Back to a prediction roster:

-Harry is added as a WTF character.
-Removed King Hippo, Toon Link, and Red Hero for Snake, Dixie Kong, and Harry.
-And I still think Animal Crossing deserves 2 reps for it's popularity.

 

[EddyBearr]

I guess we should scrap about 80% of the roster considering they have the personality of a bag of sand.

80% of the roster has an advantage in being human. Much easier to see subtle personality traits and relate to.

With...Ness, they just have to give him that taunt and he has his personaltiy. With Ridley, they have to not only give him a personality, but also make it seem like it actually works and isn't just out of place, since he isn't human or humanoid.

 

[TheTuninator]

With...Ness, they just have to give him that taunt and he has his personaltiy. With Ridley, they have to not only give him a personality, but also make it seem like it actually works and isn't just out of place, since he isn't human or humanoid.

Bowser's personality of a somewhat goofy, comical foe isn't really expressed in his Smash moveset at all. They really don't need to give Ridley a personality beyond "fierce dragon", i.e. the one he already has, in order to make him work.

 

[josh bones]

80% of the roster has an advantage in being human. Much easier to see subtle personality traits and relate to.

With...Ness, they just have to give him that taunt and he has his personaltiy. With Ridley, they have to not only give him a personality, but also make it seem like it actually works and isn't just out of place, since he isn't human or humanoid.

...The non human character's have more personality. Look at sonic, for instance, he's all about speed and that's good. Compare that to captain falcon, and tell me who has more personality. Ridley has more personality most of the roster.

 

[3Bismyname]

80% of the roster has an advantage in being human. Much easier to see subtle personality traits and relate to.

With...Ness, they just have to give him that taunt and he has his personaltiy. With Ridley, they have to not only give him a personality, but also make it seem like it actually works and isn't just out of place, since he isn't human or humanoid.

yeah cause Mario, Link and Samus have so much personality right. Ridley does have a personality. it's being a sadistic A**hole. not that personality really matters in Smash.

 

[mimgrim]

80% of the roster has an advantage in being human. Much easier to see subtle personality traits and relate to.

With...Ness, they just have to give him that taunt and he has his personaltiy. With Ridley, they have to not only give him a personality, but also make it seem like it actually works and isn't just out of place, since he isn't human or humanoid.

Excpet Ridley does have personality. Ridley isn't just some snarling beat people misinterpet him as. He shows inteligience and allot of it. He is also the leader of the Space Pirates, if he was jsut some snarling beast do you think he would be able to control and lead the space pirates? His personality is being a cruel monster (Not monster as in species but monster as in how you would describe certain human beings) yes despite the curelity he is also quite intelect. But I'm not able to explain welle nough so jsut read this small thing http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Ridley#Personality_and_traits. Peronality is already there, they just have to get it to work in the game.

And there is an actual valid arguemtn as to why Ridley might not get in. But most people against Ridley seem to be to dumb to realize it. .-.

 

[Silverjay323]

"OLIMAR HAS NO ONE TO COMPARE TO FROM HIS WORLD LIKE RIDLEY!"

No, it's not. That's all that needs to be said about this pathetic excuse for an argument. At this point, this is showing the detractors ran out of ideas and are just pulling arguments out of a hat.

Actually it is. Olimar actually looks perfect upscaled because in Pikmin, even though he's the size of a quarter on a post apocalyptic earth, The way the game presents itself makes it feel as if Olimar is normal size and that the world around him is big when actuality, that is not the case. However, Ridley was always intended to be big and did not alter perspective as Pikmin did.

Magic only applies to when Bowser goes mega-Kaiju size for final battles, and at those points, he's bigger than any size Ridley has ever been.
Magic is not an excuse for every other instance in main Mario games where Bowser naturally towersover Mario. Which includes Super Mario 64, the last main Mario game before his debut in Smash Bros.
The only times (outside of old games due to limitations) that Bowser is a feasible size are when he's a playable character. W-what? You mean to tell me that Bowser has to be SHRUNK to fit as a playable character? Go figure.

Bowser was only that size without any type of magic in 64. Just as the only time Ridley wasn't huge was in the original Metroid

I mean full offense on this: Most Ridley retractors are idiots with no decent argumentation.

All things considered, most people say this when defending any character being in Smash.
I thought I gave good evidence with Sakurai's interview and other points, Big, No character,etc. But you've obviously completely disregarded everything about these factors in a few sentences making me, and anyone else who thinks differently on the matter, an idiot. Ok.

 

[EddyBearr]

Bowser's personality of a somewhat goofy, comical foe isn't really expressed in his Smash moveset at all. They really don't need to give Ridley a personality beyond "fierce dragon", i.e. the one he already has, in order to make him work.

Bowser: Truth, but it's still there, so anyone with even basic knowledge of Bowser will recognize that. Simultaneously, Bowser is "the Nintendo bad guy," so leaving him out is kinda not an option. Unfortunately, he does compete with Ridley for the snarling beast spot, so even if Bowser had a personality as basic/mindles as Ridley does in the Metroid games he'd still almost be necessary due to who he is. His new posture sheds hope for Ridley, though, because it's a bit more silly.
Ridley: That's a perfect personality: For an assist trophy or boss. Not a "character." Not someone you play as. It's like playing as an octorok.

...The non human character's have more personality. Look at sonic, for instance, he's all about speed and that's good. Compare that to captain falcon, and tell me who has more personality. Ridley has more personality most of the roster.

"Humanoid." Sonic is definitely anthro.

Ridley's personality is perfect for an AT or boss, but not as someone you "play as."

yeah cause Mario, Link and Samus have so much personality right. Ridley does have a personality. it's being a sadistic A**hole. not that personality really matters in Smash.

Mario: absolutely. Hoo-hoo! -falls asleep and starts snoozing-
Link: Yes, but more importantly, Link is "The second Nintendo icon," behind the Mario bros. Links falling screams in the N64 games are also much more relate-able than any snarl Ridley could throw out. Plus, human.
Samus: Not much, but this is where human is a benefit. When Samus does her taunt, you can easily imagine her just sitting there thinking something along the lines of, "Alright!" samus was already cemented as a playable character, too.

Ridley's personality up-front (in the games even if digging) is "a snarling beast," no different from any octorok or redead. Sure, it's a "personality," but it's not something any human can relate to, almost as if he only works on bare instincts. And yes, personality matters in smash, where you "play" as a "character."

Excpet Ridley does have personality. Ridley isn't just some snarling beat people misinterpet him as. He shows inteligience and allot of it. He is also the leader of the Space Pirates, if he was jsut some snarling beast do you think he would be able to control and lead the space pirates? His personality is being a cruel monster (Not monster as in species but monster as in how you would describe certain human beings) yes despite the curelity he is also quite intelect. But I'm not able to explain welle nough so jsut read this small thing http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Ridley#Personality_and_traits. Peronality is already there, they just have to get it to work in the game.

And there is an actual valid arguemtn as to why Ridley might not get in. But most people against Ridley seem to be to dumb to realize it. .-.

I was actually aware of his manga development before your post, but I've always viewed that as having to go far too far for a video game character, and view it as irrelevant to a video game about video game characters. As canon as his mangas may be, this is Super Smash Bros, not Super Manga Bros.
And also, this is a game where you want to get as broad an audience as possible, and having to dig very deep, so far that you get out of video game territory, to get Ridley's personality, just isn't very good for him.

 

[Gilius Thunderhead]

Of course Ridley is possible, Sakurai said himself that he was. Sure it would take ALOT of work to find the ideal size and moveset and even more for any balancing issues, but Ridley is one of the most requested characters so his chances are probably pretty high, it all depends on Sakurai in the end though.

 

[Sid-cada]

80% of the roster has an advantage in being human. Much easier to see subtle personality traits and relate to.

With...Ness, they just have to give him that taunt and he has his personaltiy. With Ridley, they have to not only give him a personality, but also make it seem like it actually works and isn't just out of place, since he isn't human or humanoid.

Dude, did you ever even take a look at the Metroid Manga? There, Ridley has an impressive amount of personality. (Now before you even think that doesn't matter for smash, Z-suit Samus' agility is based off of her agility in it).

And after reading that, all I can say is that I think that he is more terrifying than some mindless beast. Ridley speaks in there, and it makes it clear that he is sadistic, crewel, and definitely evil. He loves the slaughter, he mocks our attachment to the dead, and like to torture.

Now, while I don't think Ridley should speak in his portrayal, it's almost way too easy to make him seem sadistic: Have him grab the opponent, fly upwords, roar in triumph, then plummet into the ground; Crush their chest on the floor, before tossing them like garbage; etc..

 

[Silverjay323]

And there is an actual valid arguemtn as to why Ridley might not get in. But most people against Ridley seem to be to dumb to realize it. .-.

The fact that he had in game data as an assist trophy? Oh no, it's because he's purple isn't it?

 

[EddyBearr]

Actually it is. Olimar actually looks perfect upscaled because in Pikmin, even though he's the size of a quarter on a post apocalyptic earth, The way the game presents itself makes it feel as if Olimar is normal size and that the world around him is big when actuality, that is not the case. However, Ridley was always intended to be big and did not alter perspective as Pikmin did.

Legitimate argument.

Bowser was only that size without any type of magic in 64. Just as the only time Ridley wasn't huge was in the original Metroid

Super Mario World is proof of this.

There are strong arguments against Ridley, and there are weak ones. With that said, the arguments against Ridley are much stronger than against any of the other "likely" characters.


@Sid-Cada: I mentioned in a couple posts above that I don't consider Manga, as canon as it may be, to be relevant in Super Smash Bros, the video game. It's not Super Manga Bros. In order to get Ridley's personality, you realllly have to get into it, so only the most serious of Metroid fans (or serious smash fans like us) know what lies beyond the game. I can see all too many people who'd buy the game viewing Ridley as a basic primitive monster.

 

[FlareHabanero]

With that said, the arguments against Ridley are much stronger than against any of the other "likely" characters.

Go home Eddy, you're drunk.

 

[EddyBearr]

Go home Eddy, you're drunk.

Do you have a rebuttal?

The arguments against characters like Mewtwo or Little Mac, or even Isaac, are nothing compared to the arguments against Ridley.

 

[shuall]

So, there's been no updates on the main smash site. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't be too let down if SSB4 is just going to be melee with all the top tiers (S, A, B; except, apparently, fox) cut, and the announced newcomers. That's probably a little extreme, but if there's more than one page of characters, the average player is just going to be like, "How the crap did all these people get here?".
I hope that ssb4 doesn't get so many characters that they become hard to distinguish or full of clones. More maps are okay though, because you can have two maps that are exactly the same just different textures and not feel let down. My rambling two cents.

 

[3Bismyname]

Mario: absolutely. Hoo-hoo! -falls asleep and starts snoozing-
Link: Yes, but more importantly, Link is "The second Nintendo icon," behind the Mario bros. Links falling screams in the N64 games are also much more relate-able than any snarl Ridley could throw out. Plus, human.
Samus: Not much, but this is where human is a benefit. When Samus does her taunt, you can easily imagine her just sitting there thinking something along the lines of, "Alright!" samus was already cemented as a playable character, too.

Ridley's personality up-front (in the games even if digging) is "a snarling beast," no different from any octorok or redead. Sure, it's a "personality," but it's not something any human can relate to, almost as if he only works on bare instincts. And yes, personality matters in smash, where you "play" as a "character."

yeah cause falling asleep is a real personality trait -.-. and no there is nothing within Samus or Links taunts or movements show any form of personality outside of "I'm ready for action" which is the most generic hero personality out there. and yeah we wanna play as the character for multiple reasons. we like the game they hail from, they have a cool moveset, even shallow reasons like "He just looks cool" is justifiable. the personality argument doesnt work because most of the cast has next to none. being bestial is as much a personality as the "Always ready" personality that most of the heroes in the game share. we don't need to relate to him because thats not crucial for this series or hell even the series they came from necessarily. I don't relate to Peach on any type of level whatsoever, but she's my 2nd most used character in the game. she's also a pretty bland character in her own right. and the difference between Ridley and the common enemies u listed is that HE'S NOT A COMMON ENEMY. he's the most reoccurring character in the series after Samus and is frankly responsible for who Samus became.

 

[shrooby]

I'm not really understanding how this whole "no personality" thing is an argument that supposed to show a reason Ridley will not be included (more like a reason someone would not want a character in, rather than a reason their odds would be lowered). Having no personality doesn't seem like a reason that Sakurai will look at a character and say "Nah, maybe next game." Having no personality (let's just say Ridley has no personality for the sake of argument) has not prevented quite a few characters from getting in. Wii Fit Trainer, Luigi (pre-Melee), or Villager, they didn't have personalities, but that didn't seem to go against them. Instead, their personalities come out of their movesets. Luigi in Melee (and a little in 64) was silly and seemingly random and had moveset to show it. Wii Fit Trainer is a "health nut" and from what we've seen of her moveset it shows it. Villager seems like he's going to be a very silly character with the heart of a collector, and he's going to have a moveset that is also silly and involves a bunch of different objects to show it. But those movesets were just interpreted and not directly taken from the games they were in. Personality (or a lack thereof) doesn't hold a character back. If anything it makes for a more unique character since a personality has to be built though how they move, what they sound like, and their attacks. If you think Ridley doesn't have a personality, then you should want him in the game just to see what Sakurai and his team do with him and to see the personality that is created. It's honestly the only reason I'm not completely against Little Mac or Pac Man. I'd love to see what Sakurai has in store for those characters (if they get in that is!).

 

[FalKoopa]

Does presence of personality even matter for Smash?

Smash isn't an RPG or a story-driven game. What matters is if you can bring any new moveset potential.

Also, if Ridley is made Bowser sized, he would still be bigger than Samus.
/discussion

 

[FlareHabanero]

The arguments against characters like Mewtwo or Little Mac, or even Isaac, are nothing compared to the arguments against Ridley.

Bull crap, these arguments against Ridley are just a bunch of flabbergasting statements made from idiots who like to spew out garbage just for the sake of spewing garbage. Literally everything that has been stated against Ridley has been debunked so many times it's not even worth bothering mentioning it.

If you want a character that ACTUALLY HAS ARGUMENTS AGAINST HIM, go with Chrom.

 

[Silverjay323]

yeah cause falling asleep is a real personality trait -.-. and no there is nothing within Samus or Links taunts or movements show any form of personality outside of "I'm ready for action" which is the most generic hero personality out there. and yeah we wanna play as the character for multiple reasons. we like the game they hail from, they have a cool moveset, even shallow reasons like "He just looks cool" is justifiable. the personality argument doesnt work because most of the cast has next to none. being bestial is as much a personality as the "Always ready" personality that most of the heroes in the game share. we don't need to relate to him because thats not crucial for this series or hell even the series they came from necessarily. I don't relate to Peach on any type of level whatsoever, but she's my 2nd most used character in the game. she's also a pretty bland character in her own right. and the difference between Ridley and the common enemies u listed is that HE'S NOT A COMMON ENEMY. he's the most reoccurring character in the series after Samus and is frankly responsible for who Samus became.

These characters, however, all can do something Ridley can't. Show emotion. While this might seem like a plausible argument at first, hear me out. Showing emotion is another way of showing personality. Even silent protagonists such as Link and Ness give some insight to how they're feeling in their respective games. This is one of the reasons people people play as them beside the whole "they look cool" thing. Ridley in a sense is the least "human" out of the likely characters and giving him emotion like R.O.B and G&W wouldn't be staying true to the series. The whole ruthless and cruel personality traits doesn't really justify this, because really what else does Ridley "feel"?

Bull crap, these arguments against Ridley are just a bunch of flabbergasting statements made from idiots who like to spew out garbage just for the sake of spewing garbage. Literally everything that has been stated against Ridley has been debunked so many times it's not even worth bothering mentioning it. ​

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Not debunked, its just that no one is giving justifiable answers against said flabbergasted, garbage arguments.​

 

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The fact that he had in game data as an assist trophy? Oh no, it's because he's purple isn't it?

Your jsut proving my point more and more.

There are strong arguments against Ridley, and there are weak ones. With that said, the arguments against Ridley are much stronger than against any of the other "likely" characters.

There is one legitamate arguemnt I can think of against Ridley. Ther common arguments however..... They have almopst no legitmacy. The "too big" argument is flawed Since Ridely has had different size and can get downscaled. The he has no "character or personality" argument is also flawed as SSB can easily give him personality he already has just liek they have done with other characters in their games. Humanoid or not.


Since people seem to be unable to use the actual legitate argument against Ridley I will state what it is BUT I want to make clear that I am all for Ridley getting in, but I also am not so far blinded to realize that there is at least one reason while Ridley might not be able to get in.

Ridley would be hard to implement. Not because of size or lack of character. It's the way Ridely is portrayed with the way he moves on ground and how he is reliant on flight. Whle generally on the ground Ridley is on all 4s, though there are instances where he is upright though I don't think he ever walked much upright, and just generally how he moves on the ground, which he will need to do in SSB. The other problem is that in the Metroid games his dominat feature is him flying. Just give him multiple jumps and a glide wouldn't feel right for Ridley. Sakurai said himself Ridley would be a difficult character to implement. Most people take this to mean he is talking about size but honestly size would hardly affect it. The problem is the way Ridley generally moves on the ground and how he is so reliant on flight. Making Ridley hard to implement, hard but not impossible. There is also the fact that he isn't humanoid and has a awkward body structure for SSB adding onto the fact that he will be hard to implement into SSB.

Now the above arguemnt is actually legitamte and can show that Ridley might not get on SSB4 BUT Ridley wouldn't be impossible to implement and he has the support and iconicness to all be a highley possible canidate for SSB4.

And again let me state that I am in full support of Ridley getting in and thinking he has quite the good chance of getting in. But I'm not so blinded as I know there are a few reasons as to why he might not get in either.