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Because people don't realize that Sakurai never said anything about size.
Let's throw in Marx and Andross while we're at it then.

Also, quote a May 2008 interview with Sakurai for Nintendo Power:

Nintendo Power: "There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration?"

Sakurai: "I think that would be pretty impossible. *laughs* If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be alright? *laughs*"

Pretty sure this has been brought up before but there it is. Not sure, but it sounded like he might change his mind.
 

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Let's throw in Marx and Andross while we're at it then.

Also, quote a May 2008 interview with Sakurai for Nintendo Power:

Nintendo Power: "There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration?"

Sakurai: "I think that would be pretty impossible. *laughs* If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be alright *laughs*"

Pretty sure this has been brought up before but there it is. Not sure, but it sounded like he might change his mind.
Don't forget about the Bionis and Mechonis.
 

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Also, quote a May 2008 interview with Sakurai for Nintendo Power:

Nintendo Power: "There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration?"

Sakurai: "I think that would be pretty impossible. *laughs* If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be alright? *laughs*"

Pretty sure this has been brought up before but there it is. Not sure, but it sounded like he might change his mind.
Alright, so where are you getting at with this statement?
 

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Alright, so where are you getting at with this statement?
Well there is actually a thread on this forum about it, and I can't link you to the article since it was in Nintendo Power, so I'll link you to the thread instead.
http://www.smashboards.com/threads/nintendo-power-interviewed-sakurai-in-the-latest-issue.160577/ Wait. Misinterpreted. Thought you asked where I got it from. Sry. I mean that Ridley was regarded by Sakurai in Smash before and didn't have too much intention of making him playable.
 
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Let's throw in Marx and Andross while we're at it then.

Also, quote a May 2008 interview with Sakurai for Nintendo Power:

Nintendo Power: "There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration?"

Sakurai: "I think that would be pretty impossible. *laughs* If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be alright? *laughs*"

Pretty sure this has been brought up before but there it is. Not sure, but it sounded like he might change his mind.
That quote indicated nothing about size, only that Sakurai considered him pretty impossible, but then backpedels.
 

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That quote indicated nothing about size, only that Sakurai considered him pretty impossible, but then backpedels.
Not to mention he didn't really have time to think of...an actual answer, for lack of a better term. Probably didn't really know what to say in response since he wasn't expecting the question. At least that's why I think he was laughing while he was saying it.

Why else would he be "impossible"?
I'd imagine he was referring to how Ridley has a fairly awkward body structure in some parts. At least when compared to any existing character in Smash. At least that's how I interpret it. But having such a bigger team this time around is why many, including myself, think this isn't that big a problem anymore.
 

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Let's throw in Marx and Andross while we're at it then.
Size doesn't matter, it's importance and uniqueness to their fighting potential that matters. Neither Marx nor Andross are as core to the series as the antagonistic anti-heros already featured in Brawl. The former was only in one game while the latter has moves that only make use of his size. Beyond that, they float in the air at all times and feature attacks that would be nowhere near as effective if they didn't take up so much space, and each feature regular forms that otherwise prove using them as large examples to be completely moot.

Name a very large character not named Ridley that deserves a spot in Smash Bros. but can't be playable based on "being too big", and then you'll have a valid size matters argument.
As a quick note, you know who else Sakurai regarded as "impossible" due to one reason or another during Brawl's development?

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I'd imagine he was referring to how Ridley has a fairly awkward body structure in some parts. At least when compared to any existing character in Smash. At least that's how I interpret it. But having such a bigger team this time around is why many, including myself, think this isn't that big a problem anymore.
They managed to just get his design right as a boss character..., but maybe it was design on a downscaled model that proved to be too hard.
As a quick note, you know who else Sakurai regarded as "impossible" due to one reason or another during Brawl's development?
He said The Villager wasn't suited for battle. That's a little different from impossible. But it does show that Sakurai can make these things work, but he didn't even sound too interested in Ridley to try, in complete contrast to villager.
 

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They managed to just get his design right as a boss character..., but maybe it was design on a downscaled model that proved to be too hard.
He said The Villager wasn't suited for battle. That's a little different from impossible. But it does show that Sakurai can make these things work, but he didn't even sound too interested in Ridley to try, in complete contrast to villager.
He seemed interested.

He even talked about how he could make him work. Him being a slow character.
 

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He seemed interested.

He even talked about how he could make him work. Him being a slow character.
But not serious. Hence the laughter.
Name a very large character not named Ridley that deserves a spot in Smash Bros. but can't be playable based on "being too big", and then you'll have a valid size matters argument.
It was originally intended as a joke, but since you asked...Porky.
 

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But not serious. Hence the laughter.
Sakurai laughs at everything.

Even then, it could be a light hearted laugh or a reaction to the interviewers smiles (hypothetical situation) or simply nervous laughter. Sakurai is not necessarily laughing the idea off.
 

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While Ridley's size definitely lends itself to his cinematic exposure, it doesn't directly harm his chances of getting in. We've gone over this before.

Not only does he change size throughout Metroid, but he has changed size over the course of Smash Bros. In the Melee intro, he is roughly the same height as Samus, but in Brawl, he is clearly much larger. Really, Ridley is a fictional character so it doesn't matter what they do.

However, if this were a fighting game called "President Evil", and they planned to put Abraham Lincoln vampire slayer in, making him shorter to fit with the cast would be silly. That would be because that literally would make no sense because he is known historically as a tall man. A similar case to this would be making William Howard Taft or Grover Cleveland skinny.

To get away from that random tangent, my point about Ridley's size is that really, it doesn't matter. So many other factors are put into the game when creating a character. Do we really think that something like the size of a character would stop Sakurai, the guy who includes such wacky things in Smash Bros., from fixing this issue with a mere downsizing? Ridley doesn't have feelings. If he DID have feelings, he would probably prefer to be downsized if that was the only way he could get his hands on Samus, right?

...although that President Evil idea sounds pretty awesome.
 

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Sakurai laughs at everything.

Even then, it could be a light hearted laugh or a reaction to the interviewers smiles (hypothetical situation) or simply nervous laughter. Sakurai is not necessarily laughing the idea off.
Nor is he necessarily thinking about how his gameplay could work. Odds are, he made that right on the spot, not listing concepts from a scrapped idea, which is why he may have said impossible at first. It could be interpreted either way really.
However, if this were a fighting game called "President Evil", and they planned to put Abraham Lincoln vampire slayer in, making him shorter to fit with the cast would be silly. That would be because that literally would make no sense because he is known historically as a tall man. A similar case to this would be making William Howard Taft or Grover Cleveland skinny.
But that's just a couple of feet. Ridley is twice, or even three times the size of the tallest character, Ganondorf.
Do we really think that something like the size of a character would stop Sakurai, the guy who includes such wacky things in Smash Bros., from fixing this issue with a mere downsizing?
In the interview he basically said with alot of hard work, it could've been done, but didn't really sound interested or like he cared to. The "Would that be alright?" sarcastic remark sorta implies that i he had been included, players would've no liked the way he controlled. Big, slow, etc.
 

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Size doesn't matter, it's importance and uniqueness to their fighting potential that matters. Neither Marx nor Andross are as core to the series as the antagonistic anti-heros already featured in Brawl. The former was only in one game while the latter has moves that only make use of his size. Beyond that, they float in the air at all times and feature attacks that would be nowhere near as effective if they didn't take up so much space, and each feature regular forms that otherwise prove using them as large examples to be completely moot.

Name a very large character not named Ridley that deserves a spot in Smash Bros. but can't be playable based on "being too big", and then you'll have a valid size matters argument.

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Well actually andross is very important, its just all he is really is a floating head with two hands so that would be really weird to implement.
 

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I'd love to see Ridley in, but just because it'd be so epic to fight him again (I don't think I'd use him). Especially with Samus, Mega Man, or Little Mac if he gets in. (A small boxer fighting a space pirate dragon ftw).

I think I'm not the only one with a "Passive" Wishlist, am I?
 

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Can we please just get more character updates? I'm pouting and impatient so i'm going to complain about it. Come at me bro.
 

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Can we please just get more character updates? I'm pouting and impatient so i'm going to complain about it. Come at me bro.

Seriously. Where's my Little Mac, Sakurai?!

Wait! I found a temporary cure!


Awwwwwwwwwwwww yeah~
 

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You think it will end with him being revealed?!

*insert Golden's GIF of Bruce the shark laughing here*

I suppose I foolishly mispoke. At least after a reveal I'll be able to flash the images of Smash K. Rool and Ridley at the non-believers while cackling. :shades:
 

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So what would happen if Ridley, K.Rool, Mewtwo, Little Mac, and Palutena didn't make it? I feel like Smashboards would just collapse upon itself.

EDIT: It kinda upsets me that nobody noticed my President Evil idea. I thought that was awesome.
 

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Can we please just get more character updates? I'm pouting and impatient so i'm going to complain about it. Come at me bro.
Fine by me. Where do we meet?

You think it will end with him being revealed?!

*insert Golden's GIF of Bruce the shark laughing here*
Of course it isn't. I'll be calling hacks on every new screenshot until the game is released.

It kinda upsets me that nobody noticed my President Evil idea. I thought that was awesome.
Sounds like a film full of zombie presidents retaking the White House. That concept seems to be popular in the film industry lately. -_-
 

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So what would happen if Ridley, K.Rool, Mewtwo, Little Mac, and Palutena didn't make it? I feel like Smashboards would just collapse upon itself.

EDIT: It kinda upsets me that nobody noticed my President Evil idea. I thought that was awesome.

Honestly, if most of them don't make it, particularly the middle three, I don't think I'll be very interested in Smash 4. Sure, I'm ****ing pumped for Mega Man, but even he can't hold up a ship that sunk *that* deeply for me.

I'm maintaining my faith that Sakurai won't totally let me down, though. :shades:

C'mon, Sakurai, you can do it!
 

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I suppose I foolishly mispoke. At least after a reveal I'll be able to flash the images of Smash K. Rool and Ridley at the non-believers while cackling. :shades:
Don't kid yourself. Next it will be "They'll definitely be removed in the next Smash Bros.!" I'm not even kidding, some of the anti-Ridley campaigners are that dim.
So what would happen if Ridley, K.Rool, Mewtwo, Little Mac, and Palutena didn't make it? I feel like Smashboards would just collapse upon itself.

EDIT: It kinda upsets me that nobody noticed my President Evil idea. I thought that was awesome.
If none of them make it, I will throw a hissy-fit.

As will 400 others here.

I noticed it, but I don't see why you were Lincoln it to the current discussion. Regardless, I gotta say, Teddy Roosevelt would be OP considering the range and hitboxes of that big stick he uses.
 

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Don't kid yourself. Next it will be "They'll definitely be removed in the next Smash Bros.!" I'm not even kidding, some of the anti-Ridley campaigners are that dim.

If none of them make it, I will throw a hissy-fit.

As will 400 others here.

I noticed it, but I don't see why you were Lincoln it to the current discussion. Regardless, I gotta say, Teddy Roosevelt would be OP considering the range and hitboxes of that big stick he uses.

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I see what you did there.

Clearly I related it because President's Taft and Cleveland have more of a "too big" problem than Ridley does. Taft was so fat he got stuck in a bath tub, and they had to smother him with butter just to get him out.

Now if Ridley had that issue, then I'd say he's too big.

Also, on the topic of Lincoln, last time I went to visit my girlfriend in Brockport, I went to a comic book store, and there was a comic book called "Time Lincoln". It was an alternate universe in which Lincoln was a time traveler and in the first pages was confronted by Rasputin. I would have bought it, but it was like $25.

I'm too cheap for that.
 

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Fair enough point. Grant'd, I wasn't actually asking though. I just wanted to Polk at the idea with a pun of my own. You know, Fillmore humor into this discussion. Amidwight??

Okay, I'll stop.
 

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Fair enough point. Grant'd, I wasn't actually asking though. I just wanted to Polk at the idea with a pun of my own. You know, Fillmore humor into this discussion. Amidwight??

Okay, I'll stop.
*slow clap*

Anyways, my thoughts on Ridley: if they sized Olimar up from the size of a Gamecube disc, they can size Ridley down to the size of Bowser. That is all.
 

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*slow clap*

Anyways, my thoughts on Ridley: if they sized Olimar up from the size of a Gamecube disc, they can size Ridley down to the size of Bowser.

See I thought he was the size of a quarter. Even still, it's less than Mario's shoe. :shades:
 

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Well I'm just gonna throw this out there.... Even though sakurai said he was he was limiting the third parties...I think Bayonetta has a good chance. With it being a Wii U exclusive and all and her inclusion will thwart the accusation that the characters are too "kiddy"
 

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With Sakurai saying that he "doesn't let just any character from other companies into Smash Bros.", the only characters I see are Pac Man, and then the return of Sonic and Snake.
 

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Yeah....

Bayonetta isn't really an icon.

Plus, Bayoneta's creator seems annoyed by all of the requests for her in smash. I think... It's hard to tell with that guy.
 

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Well I'm just gonna throw this out there.... Even though sakurai said he was he was limiting the third parties...I think Bayonetta has a good chance. With it being a Wii U exclusive and all and her inclusion will thwart the accusation that the characters are too "kiddy"
no. a lot of characters in Smash really arent that "kiddy" if u look at their source material. take the Mother series for example, i can think of about a dozen instances within those games off the top of my head that arent really kid friendly themes and i havent even played the games. plus Bayo is a waste of space imo
 

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You could write an entire "We Didn't Start The Fire" with the amount of non-kid friendly themes in the Mother series... In fact, I'm going to write one myself. It's going to be my project for July.

But yeah, Smash is plenty non-kiddy enough. Anyone who sees Smash as kiddy in the first place is clearly ignorant clearly hasn't put much research into such a statement.
 

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You think it will end with him being revealed?!

*insert Golden's GIF of Bruce the shark laughing here*

Heh, to me it will end... at least most of the battle ends with Little Mac

The only thing that could top him is if a bleeping miracle happens (avatar). But I'm cool with Litlte Mac and Mega Man.


Dat Macho music.
 

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In the interview he basically said with alot of hard work, it could've been done, but didn't really sound interested or like he cared to. The "Would that be alright?" sarcastic remark sorta implies that i he had been included, players would've no liked the way he controlled. Big, slow, etc.
It's not sarcastic. The Japanese lack really any sarcasm in thier language. I often get asked "Joe, can you make a 45 minute lesson plan in 5 minutes? Would that be alright?" It's almost like an apology? It's not sarcastic.

As well, the Japanese usually laugh to diffuse tough or hard questions. It's showing discomfort or unsurity considering the manner.

Anyways, arguing size is pretty futile. By large, Ridley bring able to be downsized is an accepted fact and vehemently defended by most Smashboards denizens. Ridley is possible but time will tell. Shooting it down just on size doesn't help ones argument.
 
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