Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[God Robert's Cousin]

He's obviously making a point because he knows how to post images.

 

[mimgrim]

I think Roy has had his chance to be in Smash, and smash should look forward not back. i've already made my roy argument before, but when it comes right down, to it, Roy is known for Smash to Smash fans, not FE. And if you are going to represent FE, it should be the other way around.

he's from custom robo.

Roy is quite popular to the FE fanbase, so there is always that. But I don't see Roy getting in either myself as I only see SSB4 having 3 FE character slots at most, though possibly 4 characters altogether if they decide to promote the Pair Up feature of FEA.

Never heard of that game. Must be another Retro. All the Retros I would want (and know) are from 3rd parties. :/

 

[FlareHabanero]

He's obviously making a point because he knows how to post images.

How dark and edgy. Now watch as he makes poorly made videos using varies disturbing images found on Google search and uses Microsoft SAM to portray us as complete idiots.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Yes, we already discussed EVERY thing there is to say about Skull Kid, just go back a few pages.

APPARENTLY, We are on the topic of idiots who think a recolor of a character is more likely than other popular characters because Kid Icarus: Uprising came out 2 years ago. And why people have come to the conclusion that ANYBODY can get in for being "fresh" and that anybody who was not released 1-3 years ago makes no sense.

(Eddybear may be the biggest troll since Krispy Kreme 2012) This is worse than when that one guy said IKE was a CLONE OF MARTH.

 

[kikaru]

Roy is quite popular to the FE fanbase, so there is always that. But I don't see Roy getting in either myself as I only see SSB4 having 3 FE character slots at most, though possibly 4 characters altogether if they decide to promote the Pair Up feature of FEA.

Never heard of that game. Must be another Retro. All the Retros I would want (and know) are from 3rd parties. :/

Unless the N64 era is the new retro... Custom Robo has seen six games throughout its lifetime.

The first three games were Japan only with two N64 titles and one GBA title.
A Gamecube title was released for both Japan and North America.
A DS title was released worldwide.
And one DS title is Europe only.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

How dark and edgy. Now watch as he makes poorly made videos using varies disturbing images found on Google search and uses Microsoft SAM to portray us as complete idiots.

It's horrifying when he does that. But dude, I'd be absolutely devastated if he says things in all caps, colorful fonts, and larger text sizes again. We don't stand a chance against that!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Both Dark Pit and Skull Kid are bad choices.

Well, if you think so about Skull Kid then Agree to Disagree.

I am still mentally scarred by EddyBear believing Dark Pit is more likely on the account of recency. Not to mention "YOU CAN'T GET IN IF YOU'RE A MIYAMOTO CHARACTER!!!!!!!!"

Smashboards: If it just came out, it's the next Smash character.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Both Dark Pit and Skull Kid are bad choices.

 

[EddyBearr]

but Sakurai's inherent desire to avoid seeming to favor his own series

You mean like him adding 2 kirby reps in Brawl, and making MK "omg death megatron broken" intentionally? Sakurai lets his biases get in. Lol. But it's okay because Sakurai actually knows how to perfectly represent those characters.

@ScatmansWorld25: Skull kid is much more likely than Vaati. Vaati has no chance.

Presenting the Skull Kid as a villain completely undercuts the story of the game, along with giving him the puppeteers moves...He's not the villain.

That's just it: That makes Skull Kid soooo much better. He's not a villain, he's a whole new type of character Smash lacks: The puppet. The pawn. The poor kid who is made to do be evil against their will, all because he just wanted to have a little fun through materials to fill an emptiness in his heart.

Skull Kid is inherently fighting against the mask.

Skull kid offers so much to the table. A Zelda "common enemy" in the Skull kid, a Zelda villain in the Mask, a puppet in Skull Kid, and Tatl/Tael could be "assistants" that do some of his attacks for him. He's such a unique character that he'd bring something to Smash that Smash has yet to ever see.

I think there's even a scene where he's struggling to get the mask off him. I'll see if I can find it. That'd be an awesome taunt, representing his endless struggle for his self from the "pure evil entity" that is Majora's Mask. Bowser just wants a wife, DeDeDe just wants to be important, even Ganon shows pride in Link becoming stronger, but Majora is just...completely and utterly evil...

MAN I LOVE THIS GAME!! I'm getting so many chills thinking about just how dark and deep his story really is.

Found the cutscene. I think he's actually covering his ears to hide from reality, set off by the moans of his old friends struggling to save the world he's about to destroy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IsIB5L1emg#t=2m44s

1. Well, then I guess ALL Miyamoto characters should be removed A.S.A.P.

I don't want to know what kind of absurd and backwards logic you used to come to that conclusion. No, it's to represent that Sakurai might prefer to have a Sakurai character in than a Miyamoto character. Nowhere in my statements should any rational person come to the conclusion you just came to.

2. You picked...................a clone/recolor of another character.........................over one of the most popular Zelda characters................................................................. Because he's more RECENT???????????????

There are many reasons. Let me just list TEN of them.
1. Sakurai made Kid Icarus, and is making Smash. He might let his bias get in the way.
2. The game is recent. Yes, this is A variable.
3. Kid Icarus is being shown as a bigger franchise with Nintendo advertising lately.
4. Kid Icarus has one rep, LoZ has FOUR.
5. Dark Pit has a massive assortment of moveset potential (both Pits do actually) that's visible in Plain sight while Skull Kid actually has to be dug up.
6. The chance for a Majora's Mask remake is really being lost lately, with basically every other LoZ game getting a re-make instead.
7. Skull Kid brings such a dark atmosphere to the game with how terribly dark his story is that Sakurai might not find it suitable for a "party game."
8. Skull Kid has become less relevant as LoZ has carried on, with his Majora's Mask role basically no longer being addressed.
9. Skull Kid was prime for Melee and Brawl, yet both those have passed. Dark pit's best chance would be ssb4.
10. LoZ might not even get another rep.

So yes, I obviously based it off just ONE variable. Yep, obviously. Totally.

FOR LITERALLY NO OTHER REASON

Reading. It goes a long way. You should try it some time.

This may be the first time in my history of existence, where I felt need to PHYSICALLY slap somebody in the face through he interent.

Superb maturity. Yep. A+.

It's hilarious that your infantile flashy cartoons seem to exemplify how you're reacting to honest debate.

 

[mimgrim]

With Toad, I believe he would be a better choice as a new Mario character than King Boo and Jr as he is one of the 5 last original Mario characters to get in, has a large amount of moveset potential, is getting more important roles in Mario games, and he is a playable character in the new non-NSMB game.

I don't think 4 DK characters is really pushing it too much as DK is Nintendo's 4th biggest franchise, K.Rool and Dixie would finish the DK characters, I can elaberate more if you want.

Not exactly sure what you meant about Impa. Have her replace Sheik as the transformation for Zelda?

Vaati and Child Link- Going to get Child Link out of the way 1st, Sakarai said that he felt he was important during Melee and Brawl, seeing how Sakarai's been changing his mind alot lately, it's not to far-fetched to say he won't be in and Sakarai said that there won't be any clones and Sakarai also said as a rule that both Link's will have the same moves.
Vaati is in because he is the 2nd most important and reoccuring Zelda villian, who is very important timeline wise and has alot of potential appearing again in another Zelda game. For a full explaination, I have one also covering counter-arguments in the Vaati thread if you want to see it.

Currently playing through KI right now, I might add Palutena in once I see her moveset potential.

Lucario is still a very popular and heavily promoted Pokemon with a very unique moveset and gimmick. He also replaced Zoroark as the mascot of Pokemon Smash. I also don't think Sakarai really cares about representing every generation and if he did add a gen 5 pokemon it would probably be Genesect

Unless Sakarai and Kojima, I believe it was, got into a huge argument and stopped being friends, I really don't see Snake leaving.

I don't think Chrom would be a very good customizable character.

Ray is from a Nintendo IP known as Custom Robo that was very popular on the Gamecube, don't know too much about it.

I just can't see Toad getting in. I think he will jsut stay as a move for Peach. I just feel like when compared to Jr, King Boo, and Waluigi he jsut doesn't stand much of a chance. I mean look at Anna from FE, she is like the Toad for FE games being in almost all FE games and as much as I would love to see her get in, I don't find it likely.

DK is kinda just starting to get new games again, I just feel like 3 reps would make more sense, with dixie making more sene then Rool, and then wait to see how recent DK game do, besides Rool isn't really as important character as much as he was, not saying he isn't important all just not as much as he once was, and that it might be better to see if we get a new recouring villian for DK first.

What I mean about Impa is that to have Impa it would make the most sense to turn Zelda into Skyward version and have her turn into Impa, so yea in a sense. Though I think Zelda and Shiek is more likey. But I don't see Impa having her own slot

Yopu can only take that argument so far and I honestly don't think it enough to rule out a child Link of some kind. Granted I don't know much about the Zelda universe in some cases but I think making Gannondorf into Gannondorf + Gannon would be better.

She has the moveset potential for sure, however you might not see all of it due to the pace of KIU, I suggest going to the KI wikia and looking for her powers and abbilities.

I don't know what Pokemon Smash is but would it really affect a SSB roster? Zoroak could also have a unique moveset and gimmick and there really is potential for both.

The creator of Snake got his character in in a SSB game. That should be enough. Snake doesn't really bring anything of importance that much for Nintendo aside from originating from there and the remake for the 3DS. I think a character like Simon Belmont or Alucard from the recent Castlevania game for the 3DS is more likely, though I find a Namco rep more likely.

I never said Chrom would be customizable but that it gives him a advantadge of being in over Robin on top of being the Lord. Mii would better done as the customizable character.

Yea... I think Ray has some over all low chances then.

 

[---]

Yes, we already discussed EVERY thing there is to say about Skull Kid, just go back a few pages.

Not everything, I'm still waiting for your response on whether Skull Kid is a legitimate and notable character for discussion. As well as what makes him so enduring as a character that puts him above Tingle, Ghirahim, Zant, Midna, Wolf Link, Impa, whatever new version of Child Link we might get, and previously dismissed characters Toon Zelda & Toon Sheik (the latter of whom hasn't even made an appearance in Zelda).

I have my N64 all ready.

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[jaytalks]

Roy is quite popular to the FE fanbase, so there is always that. But I don't see Roy getting in either myself as I only see SSB4 having 3 FE character slots at most, though possibly 4 characters altogether if they decide to promote the Pair Up feature of FEA.

Never heard of that game. Must be another Retro. All the Retros I would want (and know) are from 3rd parties. :/

It depends on how you look at it. Roy is popular in Japan, but not as much anywhere else due the fact his game wasnt released worldwide. which is unfortunate, but you can say that about Leaf and Sigurd and Seliph too. Roy does outranks most others in japan, but Lyn beat him in a poll of spotpass characters for awakening in japan. a great deal of his popularity stateside comes from his appearance in smash. but there's a great deal of people who just havent played his game, and theres a different level of closeness to a character when you play a game.

For the Dark Pit stuff, I was just rationalizing the twitter pic. And saying he could be a clone. because smash does clones. i'm not saying i want him over any other character. im saying this characters not likely and i dont want this character, and I think dark pit would be an interesting choice. have floated the idea in various places. but the thing is if youve never played the game he appears in, then it would hard to understand why hes not just a palette swap. And if you have played the game, you should understand why he's better than the other shadow characters. because he's not just pure evil, his much more a dark version of pit.

That's just it: That makes Skull Kid soooo much better. He's not a villain, he's a whole new type of character Smash likes: The puppet. The pawn. The poor kid who is made to do be evil against their will, all because he just wanted to have a little fun through materials to fill an emptiness in his heart.

That's an interesting way to look at it. I still wouldnt want to see it. because it present the halfway point of skull kids story, and the struggle really isnt present within the entire game. i think he did the head shaking thing because of fear, rather than trying to remove the mask. present him as someone that is struggling and strong enough to struggle gives him characteristics not present in the game. the story isnt of his struggle, but his weakness. because he was too weak to fight majora himself, so he needed to be saved by tatl and link. he got strength from his friends.

but an interest idea.

 

[EddyBearr]

That's an interesting way to look at it. I still wouldnt want to see it. because it present the halfway point of skull kids story, and the struggle really isnt present within the entire game. i think he did the head shaking thing because of fear, rather than trying to remove the mask. present him as someone that is struggling and strong enough to struggle gives him characteristics not present in the game. the story isnt of his struggle, but his weakness. because he was too weak to fight majora himself, so he needed to be saved by tatl and link. he got strength from his friends.

but an interest idea.

Well, one could say that a struggle is a struggle whether it makes a difference or not, so we could say he was struggling to have control. It could have been fear of trying to get destroyed, but it's hard to really interpret it. He seemed to not mind getting destroyed by the moon crashing on him beforehand, but as soon as the giants start wailing trying to stop it, he's "afraid"? It's kinda hard to buy, to me.

But yeah it's an interesting idea. Simultaneously, getting more into stories is for trophies and etc. By having "Ganondorf," we're only having him half there because he always gets "sealed away" and thus shouldn't really be there in the end.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

There are many reasons. Let me just list TEN of them.
1. Sakurai made Kid Icarus, and is making Smash. He might let his bias get in the way.
2. The game is recent. Yes, this is A variable.
3. Kid Icarus is being shown as a bigger franchise with Nintendo advertising lately.
4. Kid Icarus has one rep, LoZ has FOUR.
5. Dark Pit has a massive assortment of moveset potential (both Pits do actually) that's visible in Plain sight while Skull Kid actually has to be dug up.
6. The chance for a Majora's Mask remake is really being lost lately, with basically every other LoZ game getting a re-make instead.
7. Skull Kid brings such a dark atmosphere to the game with how terribly dark his story is that Sakurai might not find it suitable for a "party game."
8. Skull Kid has become less relevant as LoZ has carried on, with his Majora's Mask role basically no longer being addressed.
9. Skull Kid was prime for Melee and Brawl, yet both those have passed. Dark pit's best chance would be ssb4.
10. LoZ might not even get another rep.

So yes, I obviously based it off just ONE variable. Yep, obviously. Totally.

Let me enlighten you on how dumb you really are

First off your reasons for Dark Pit

1) Sakurai will add the dumbest ideas for characters as long as they originated from his game. NOT A REASON. Also YOU SAID META KNIGHT AND KING DEDEDE WERE BIASED!?!? LET ALONE AS BIASED AS DARK PIT!!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?
2) Being recent doesn't mean **** for recolors of other characters.
3) So add Palutena! and if you want a clone add MEDUSA!!!!!!
4) A reason to add Palutena NOT Dark Pit
5) Dark Pit has moveset potential??? You really are hopeless.
6) Again you come to the conclusion that people only get in for being recent characters even if they are the same as another. That is why you fail.
7) Giga Bowser............ Also SSB isn't a kiddy game. That's seriously you're reason?????????? It's too dark and scary???? WHERE IS YOU BRAIN!?
8) Not a reason for Dark Pit
9) Not a reason for Dark Pit
10) THAT'S NOT A REASON FOR DARK PIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DARK PIT IS A RECOLOR OF PIT YOU IGNORANT FOOL!

The rest of your Anti-Skull Kid BS is just Recency again.

I have NO problem with almost anybody's reasons for NOT having Skull Kid so far. BUT

I am simply ASTONISHED that you would pick Dark Pit over him.......LET ALONE ANYBODY!

And even if Dark Pit used different weapons that is still a dumb idea.

Congratulations, you are the first person I put on ignore for the sole reason of being illogical.

You doubt Skull Kid for those reasons FINE WITH ME! But, this Dark Pit Bull****................You are just trolling. This is worse than that troll that came on talking about Ike being a clone of Marth.

GOOD NIGHT!

 

[Opossum]

How can you doubt that at least Dark Pit has obvious moveset potential, though, Noah? That's more ignorant on your part than his. Keep in mind, I don't support Dark Pit, but he has a ton to use as far as moveset potential. Do you realize how many weapons KI:U has that Dark Pit can use at his disposal?

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

The prediction thread has officially descended into madness no small thanks to Noah...

 

[3Bismyname]

i would pick Dark Pit over Skull Kid anyday. but thats cause i like Uprising more than Majora's Mask. though i dont advocate for either character as there are better characters on both sides. why is this even an argument? they aren't in direct competition of eachother.

 

[---]

Looks like I'm being ignored now. And here I had Zelda Dungeon up and running for another play-through.


Dark Pit's okay with me. Would personally bet on him as the next character to get in after Palutena. He definitely has a niche in that he's the only real obvious semi-clone (not that he doesn't have potential for a regular moveset given all of the various Uprising weapons) for the next game in the event of time constraints. Question is, of course, is if he's made it past being a palette swap of Pit and is now Pit's Luigi.

 

[EddyBearr]

1) Sakurai will add the dumbest ideas for characters as long as they originated from his game. NOT A REASON. Also YOU SAID META KNIGHT AND KING DEDEDE WERE BIASED!?!?LET ALONE AS BIASED AS DARK PIT!!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?
2) Being recent doesn't mean **** for recolors of other characters.
3) So add Palutena! and if you want a clone add MEDUSA!!!!!!
4) A reason to add Palutena NOT Dark Pit
5) Dark Pit has moveset potential??? You really are hopeless.
6) Again you come to the conclusion that people only get in for being recent characters even if they are the same as another. That is why you fail.
7) Giga Bowser............ Also SSB isn't a kiddy game. That's seriously you're reason?????????? It's too dark and scary???? WHERE IS YOU BRAIN!?
8) Not a reason for Dark Pit
9) Not a reason for Dark Pit
10) THAT'S NOT A REASON FOR DARK PIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1. The exemplification of his bias was in making MK broken. Nowhere did I ever say that adding dark pit would be less biased than that (I'd actually say it'd be super biased, whereas adding MK and DDD is "super reasonable and obvious with maybe a quarter teaspoon of developer's bias.")
2. Relevance is a factor, because things that are relevant are recognizable to the current market, and thus makes it easier to sell. It's also easier for it to be in the developers' minds, making them far more likely to favor it over something that isn't relevant that they may have never heard of.
3. It applies to all possible Kid Icarus reps. I consider dark pit an "almost impossible" addition. I just consider Skull Kid "slightly less possible than Dark pit."
4. It applies to all possible Kid Icarus reps. I consider dark pit an "almost impossible" addition. I just consider Skull Kid "slightly less possible than Dark pit."
5. Both pit and Dark Pit have a vast assortment of weapons, tools, and tricks. Yes, he has moveset potential.
6. "for only beign recent" try reading.
7. Giga Bowser is a Final Smash or a boss, not a playable game. SSB is a PARTY game, I didn't say Kiddy game. SSB is a game designed to have fun with people, and such a depressing character as Skull kid made "just kill the buzz."
8. Not a rebuttal. Explain why.
9. Not a rebuttal. Explain why.
10. NOT A REBUTTAL!!!!!!!! EXPLAIN WHY!!!!!!!!!!!

DARK PIT IS A RECOLOR OF PIT YOU IGNORANT FOOL!

If you would try reading, you'd see than in the very first post you quoted me in, I said that Dark Pit is a complete clone of Pit.

The rest of your Anti-Skull Kid BS is just Recency again.

Hey, I hear that these new furby dolls are all the rage right now! I can totally market them!

And even if Dark Pit used different weapons that is still a dumb idea.

I agree it's a dumb idea.

Congratulations, you are the first person I put on ignore for the sole reason of being illogical.

You continuously argue strawman arguments and baselessly come to conclusions about what I think that aren't even in-line with what I think, and yet you call me illogical? You act like saying "Not a reason" is a rebuttal, and yet you call my illogical? Enjoy running from the argument by putting me on ignore. It's better than further embarrassing yourself.

You doubt Skull Kid for those reasons FINE WITH ME! But, this Dark Pit Bull****................You are just trolling. This is worse than that troll that came on talking about Ike being a clone of Marth.

I think both have less than a 1% chance. I just think Dark Pit has like 0.56% chance while Skull Kid has 0.4% chance.

GOOD NIGHT!

Running from debates doesn't make you the winner.

And with everything said, I think Skull Kid would be a better character. I just think Dark Pit is ***more likely to actually be in the game***. Make an MM remake and I'll push Skull kid to 20-25%.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Not everything, I'm still waiting for your response on whether Skull Kid is a legitimate and notable character for discussion. As well as what makes him so enduring as a character that puts him above Tingle, Ghirahim, Zant, Midna, Wolf Link, Impa, whatever new version of Child Link we might get, and previously dismissed characters Toon Zelda & Toon Sheik (the latter of whom hasn't even made an appearance in Zelda).

I have my N64 all ready.

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Start from Here: http://smashboards.com/threads/roster-prediction-discussion-thread.336018/page-179

To where you are now.

How can you doubt that at least Dark Pit has obvious moveset potential, though, Noah? That's more ignorant on your part than his. Keep in mind, I don't support Dark Pit, but he has a ton to use as far as moveset potential. Do you realize how many weapons KI:U has that Dark Pit can use at his disposal?

You're basing his moveset off items in the game and not Dark Pit himself. Sakurai doesn't need to add a recolored Pit because he ran out of moves.

Couldn't ANYBODY use them? Why a black pit, why not give Palutena some of the weapons.

Seriously........

The prediction thread has officially descended into madness no small thanks to Noah...

It descended into madness the moment Dark Pit was mentioned. Considering Dark Pit is madness enough. I give full credit to most of those people and nobody else. So if you don't want the thread to descend into madness maybe stop posting such stupid stuff.

"Oh, what about all the weapons in the gaaaaaaaaaaayme!!!!"

So give some to Palutena. END

 

[jaytalks]

Well, one could say that a struggle is a struggle whether it makes a difference or not, so we could say he was struggling to have control. It could have been fear of trying to get destroyed, but it's hard to really interpret it. He seemed to not mind getting destroyed by the moon crashing on him beforehand, but as soon as the giants start wailing trying to stop it, he's "afraid"? It's kinda hard to buy, to me.

But yeah it's an interesting idea. Simultaneously, getting more into stories is for trophies and etc. By having "Ganondorf," we're only having him half there because he always gets "sealed away" and thus shouldn't really be there in the end.

i'm saying in the narrative i didnt see a struggle and the only scene that could be a sign of that is debatable. The skull kid is weak and that his characteristic. majora's mask appears to be controlling skull kid the entire game. theres no sense that the skull kid is trying to break free. and in the end, the mask leaves him.

it could because of actually hearing the oath to order. majora is an agent of chaos and the oath to order its polar opposite. he is afraid of the four giants after all.

tael tells you to bring them here, so skull kid tells him to shut up. so sounds like to me that majora is afraid of something. the four giants are the one thing that can stop him. and theres nothing in that scene to suggest that its not majora being afraid.

I dont think they should put too much in the trophies, as i dont want to spoil anyone who might play the game later.

dark pit's a possibility. like any other character. that's all i'm saying. and if you can't accept that playable characters, side characters, and villains in nintendo's history are possible characters, then you will have continue to have a hard time on a roster prediction thread.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Let me enlighten you on how dumb you really are

Here we go.

1) Sakurai will add the dumbest ideas for characters as long as they originated from his game. NOT A REASON. Also YOU SAID META KNIGHT AND KING DEDEDE WERE BIASED!?!? LET ALONE AS BIASED AS DARK PIT!!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?

Calm down.

10) THAT'S NOT A REASON FOR DARK PIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DARK PIT IS A RECOLOR OF PIT YOU IGNORANT FOOL!

Jesus, it's like he thinks that the hammier he is, the more right his words sound.

I have NO problem with almost anybody's reasons for NOT having Skull Kid so far.

Alright, that's good. You're accepting that others may not share the same opinion as you.

BUT

Spoke too soon.

I am simply ASTONISHED that you would pick Dark Pit over him.......LET ALONE ANYBODY!

You don't get out much if so much as hearing something like that outright astonishes you, good sir.

And even if Dark Pit used different weapons that is still a dumb idea.

"Dumb idea". Yeah, that's valid. You would get chewed to pieces the minute you step into The Debate Hall if that's how you're really going to argue. You can't distinguish fact from opinion... I'd feel pity for you, if you weren't such a self-entitled brat that talks as if every damn person here is an idiot while you're the only high-horse for miles to come.

Congratulations, you are the first person I put on ignore for the sole reason of being illogical.

I believe you already said that about me first when you put me on ignore.

You doubt Skull Kid for those reasons FINE WITH ME! But, this Dark Pit Bull****................You are just trolling. This is worse than that troll that came on talking about Ike being a clone of Marth.

Ah, he's trolling. That's why he disagrees with you yet you can't immediately shut down his logic. That could be the only possible reason.

GOOD NIGHT!

And good riddance.

Since the kid's asleep now, maybe now we can actually talk about something that could have progress and meaning.

Any ideas?

 

[kikaru]

This is what I'm imagining what the roster discussion has turned into.

 

[EddyBearr]

i'm saying in the narrative i didnt see a struggle and the only scene that could be a sign of that is debatable. The skull kid is weak and that his characteristic. majora's mask appears to be controlling skull kid the entire game. theres no sense that the skull kid is trying to break free. and in the end, the mask leaves him.

it could because of actually hearing the oath to order. majora is an agent of chaos and the oath to order its polar opposite. he is afraid of the four giants after all.

tael tells you to bring them here, so skull kid tells him to shut up. so sounds like to me that majora is afraid of something. the four giants are the one thing that can stop him. and theres nothing in that scene to suggest that its not majora being afraid.

I dont think they should put too much in the trophies, as i dont want to spoil anyone who might play the game later.

dark pit's a possibility. like any other character. that's all i'm saying. and if you can't accept that playable characters, side characters, and villains in nintendo's history are possible characters, then you will have continue to have a hard time on a roster prediction thread.

I have no disagreements here, and I think I might have been reading too much into the game. Love the game xD

I think we can both agree that Skull Kid would bring something awesome to Smash. If only it could really happen..

 

[jaytalks]

I have no disagreements here, and I think I might have been reading too much into the game. Love the game xD

I think we can both agree that Skull Kid would bring something awesome to Smash. If only it could really happen..

No worries. Reading too much into the game is a sign that you love it. I'm 100% sure not all I said was in the text and subtext of the game. But like with any art, it's all about how you perceive it. I think everybody wins if he makes in as a boss in single player.

I'm kind of glad that we had this whole discussion on this board, because it reminded me of why MM is my favorite Zelda when I did that post. So I got something out of it.

SPOILERS for KI:U

For anyone who doubts dark pit's awesomeness, you should play the chapters the chaos vortex and scorched feathers. It's by far the best two chapters in the game in terms of story telling. It shows you why Pit is a hero, and what makes Dark Pit not just a palette swap. If you don't plan on getting the game, just watch the let's play (nintendo will get the money anyway [joke dont get started on that]). But I warn you. You'll probably wanna buy the game after that.

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I've alluded to this before, but I'm 100% cool with clones. If the choice is between not having my character in the game and having he/she/it being a clone. I'll take the clone. and like I said, some clones absolutely work in the context of their series. i think fox's moveset is absolutely genius way of connects a fighters moves to his ship and every starfox character who pilots an arwing should have it.

 

[Opossum]

You're basing his moveset off items in the game and not Dark Pit himself. Sakurai doesn't need to add a recolored Pit because he ran out of moves.

Couldn't ANYBODY use them? Why a black pit, why not give Palutena some of the weapons.

Seriously........

Giving the weapons to Palutena would be rather out of character, considering she has tons of other stuff from her boss battle. Dark Pit has actually used these weapons, such as in the Multiplayer for KI:U. Ever seen it? If so, then why would it be an outlandish idea for Dark Pit to use things like the Beam Claws or Dark Pit Staff?

 

[EddyBearr]

Mario/Wario/Yoshi roster?

Mario (Dr mario swap)
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Wario (Biker swap)
Waluigi ("French Lover/sly-Magician" swap)
Yoshi
"Baby Bowser Jr"

 

[FlareHabanero]

Giving the weapons to Palutena would be rather out of character, considering she has tons of other stuff from her boss battle.

I don't know, those Wolf Claws she used in Palutena's Revolting Dinner did depict her being surprisingly graceful with those things. Not to mention she does have knowledge on the varies weapon types as shown in the random banters.

 

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Start from Here: http://smashboards.com/threads/roster-prediction-discussion-thread.336018/page-179

To where you are now.

Thanks I did find the answer to all the arguments that you were making that I was looking for:

You summed up the last few pages for everyone else in this thread without even knowing it.

 

[Silverjay323]

Mario/Wario/Yoshi roster?

Mario (Dr mario swap)
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Wario (Biker swap)
Waluigi ("French Lover/sly-Magician" swap)
Yoshi
"Baby Bowser Jr"

There are way too many Mario reps as is...Maybe Waluigi, but that's pushing it.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I've alluded to this before, but I'm 100% cool with clones. If the choice is between not having my character in the game and having he/she/it being a clone. I'll take the clone. and like I said, some clones absolutely work in the context of their series. i think fox's moveset is absolutely genius way of connects a fighters moves to his ship and every starfox character who pilots an arwing should have it.

Y'know, speaking of Fox's moveset connecting the Star Fox fighters to their ships, did you ever hear about that theory of the Star Fox crew's legs being robotic? It really stands out more in how much Fox and Falco kicked in Melee, as their moveset, primarily kicks, very well ties in to their ships in the genius way you exclaimed.

Just a little fun bit I thought you'd like to hear.

 

[Opossum]

I don't know, those Wolf Claws she used in Palutena's Revolting Dinner did depict her being surprisingly graceful with those things. Not to mention she does have knowledge on the varies weapon types as shown in the random banters.

I'd actually forgotten about that, to be honest.

But yeah, I just think she has a lot more to work with without having to use the other weapons. That would be Dark Pit's shtick. Not that I personally find him likely, but you get the idea.

 

[3Bismyname]

for me, as far as Kid Icarus is concerned, Palutena should have top priority as a new character. then probably Madusa. Pit Too can wait till Smash 5 if ever. i do like Dark Pit, he can be made quite differently from Pit but overall can be skipped imo.

 

[Admiral Pit]

I don't know, those Wolf Claws she used in Palutena's Revolting Dinner did depict her being surprisingly graceful with those things. Not to mention she does have knowledge on the varies weapon types as shown in the random banters.

Oh boy, imagine Lady Palutena being hotter with them Wolf Claws. Even without, she still has that staff and shield with some projectile attacks, and potentially strong kicking moves.

for me, as far as Kid Icarus is concerned, Palutena should have top priority as a new character. then probably Madusa. Pit Too can wait till Smash 5 if ever. i do like Dark Pit, he can be made quite differently from Pit but overall can be skipped imo.

Palutena first for KI 2nd rep always.

As for the Dark Pit thing, despite him having moveset potential, there's always something I had said about Smash Bros rosters, and you can quote me on them if you want:

"Dark Doppelgangers as standalone playable characters = No."

"If you want to play with a dark character, pick their black/darker costume. If they don't have one (like Pika), then too bad."

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Are you f******* kidding me?

So much for Noah being mature.

You can support who you want to support in Smash Bros. I'm not here to say you can't, no one is.

But at least acknowledge the fact that even though YOU may want him as a character, and YOU THINK he'll get in, doesn't mean that it's going to happen.

I'd like to see Ridley, K.Rool, Mewtwo, Palutena, Shulk, Roy/Chrom, Isaac, Ghirahim, Paper Mario, and several other characters. But just because I want them in, doesn't mean that they are absolutely 100% no doubt about it guaranteed in. That is the logic of a 10 year old, i'm sorry. There are differences in why certain characters appear.

Sheik didn't get in just because she appeared in Ocarina of Time. Sheik was a highly requested character for Melee. As was Ganondorf. It was nice that they were highlighted characters in Ocarina of Time. But was that entirely why they were chosen? Absolutely not. Had Ganondorf not had a similar body structure to Falcon, we may not have even seen him!

Recency DOES play a part in character selection however. I'm not going to argue it is the be all end all instrument of choice, but it's there. I have yet to see ONE choice in Super Smash Bros. 64, Melee, or Brawl that was a character from out of nowhere from an established series besides those who were meant to fill the damn spot on the roster reserved for the "WTF" character, being G&W, R.O.B, and now Wii Fit Trainer.

None of the characters from any of the series from Brawl are as old and random as Skull Kid. Although Pokemon Trainer "Red" is from the first iterations of the Pokemon Franchise, he is far more iconic to the Pokemon series than Skull Kid could ever be to the Zelda Franchise. He is significant to Smash Bros. based on what he brings to the table, being a completely unique gimmick, and bringing some of the most popular Pokemon to Smash Bros.

Interesting tidbit. If Skull Kid were as popular as some of you claim him to be, why is his thread on Smashboards, one of the biggest and most well known Super Smash Bros. communities, hardly active with few users in it? Compare this to the heavy hitting newcomers, Ridley, K.Rool, Palutena, etc...who dominate the front page on a consistent basis.

Skull Kid, while YOU may like him, is not even close to likely. Now, had there been a plan to remake Majora's Mask somewhere at E3, maybe it would be a different story. But, that isn't happening. Not to mention, does Zelda really even NEED a fourth character in Smash Bros.? We have the complete Triforce, and a child version of Link. We don't really need another character, not to mention Skull Kid.

One other thing I think is important to add. While Sakurai is the head of development for Super Smash Bros. he is human. He is also employed by Nintendo to create the next Super Smash Bros. Sakurai is not an idiot, he knows what is going on in the company right now, he knows his stuff. While Smash is meant to be fanservice, it must be done within reason. Pleasing a niche crowd is not going to be his best option, and it never will be. Skull Kid isn't relevant to ANYTHING in Nintendo's plans right now. He is extremely outdated. Sure, recency isn't the deciding factor for any character, I agree. But think about it.

Skull Kid was important to ONE game, in his masked form. ONE GAME. Ghirahim, while not the best candidate for Smash, is more important than even Ganondorf if going by series importance. Had Ghirahim not resurrected Demise, nothing else in the Zelda series would happen. Skull Kid and Majora's Mask wouldn't have happened. Ocarina of Time wouldn't have happened. The series wouldn't have happened.

My verdict after this wall o' text rant? Skull Kid is not going to get into Smash Bros., barring an extensive focus on him in Zelda.

That isn't likely.

 

[EddyBearr]

There are way too many Mario reps as is...Maybe Waluigi, but that's pushing it.

Technically three franchises here.

Mario is the biggest Nintendo Franchise, but Mario, Wario, and Yoshi are all considered their own reps. Just as Mario and DK originated in the same game and branched off into their own franchises, Wario and Yoshi did the same with Mario.

So.. it's really, in regards to "Mario Characters," It's

4 true Mario
2 Wario
2 yoshi
2+ Donkey Kong.

 

[jaytalks]

Y'know, speaking of Fox's moveset connecting the Star Fox fighters to their ships, did you ever hear about that theory of the Star Fox crew's legs being robotic? It really stands out more in how much Fox and Falco kicked in Melee, as their moveset, primarily kicks, very well ties in to their ships in the genius way you exclaimed.

Just a little fun bit I thought you'd like to hear.

Yeah, I've heard that theory it's pretty cool. I remember not liking Rare's new design, but it wasnt because of his lack of robot lefs.

I actually remember when smash 64 came out, I was playing it with some friends. my friend picked fox and absolutely destroyed us, while I was playing as Link. I was like: "hows fox so good at fighting. he spends all his time piloting a ship." and my friends thought he kicked so well (his smash) because of his metal legs. and i wish i could have gone back in time to tell him this theory.

My vote (if you can call it that) or bet is that he would one of those characters that could slide right into the clone or semi-clone role, if they feel they need to strengthen the roster. And his name isn't even Dark Pit. It's Pittoo or Pittoey! At least, thats what everyone calls him.

 

[IsmaR]

One does not simply "Drop the argument." in the Roster Prediction Discussion Thread.

 

[Silverjay323]

Technically three franchises here.

Mario is the biggest Nintendo Franchise, but Mario, Wario, and Yoshi are all considered their own reps. Just as Mario and DK originated in the same game and branched off into their own franchises, Wario and Yoshi did the same with Mario.

So.. it's really, in regards to "Mario Characters," It's

4 true Mario
2 Wario
2 yoshi
2+ Donkey Kong.

Sub-series characters then. Donkey Kong has branched of to the point where that's understandable, but Wario and Yoshi don't have that kind of identity as of yet. It's kind of like saying Luigi is from a different franchise when he's only had 3 spinoffs to date. (I believe) I'd rather let the whole Mario franchise rest and give another franchise a new rep. Ninten from mother no. 1 on my list.

 

[EddyBearr]

Sub-series characters then. Donkey Kong has branched of to the point where that's understandable, but Wario and Yoshi don't have that kind of identity as of yet. It's kind of like saying Luigi is from a different franchise when he's only had 3 spinoffs to date. (I believe) I'd rather let the whole Mario franchise rest and give another franchise a new rep. Ninten from mother no. 1 on my list.

But Mother is a dead franchise. Mario is expanding ever more (most notably in the Wario and Yoshi direction.) Mother only has three games of relatively low popularity. It's over-represented with Ness + Lucas and it's pretty widely speculated that one of them will get cut.

Zelda, Pokemon, and Mario have the most reps because they are bigger series. Mario is the Nintendo series, so it's only natural that they get the most reps.