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My thoughts:

Chance of being cut:
Ness or Lucas
Falco or Wolf
ROB
Snake
Jigglypuff

Being Replaced:
Ike
Lucario
PkMn Trainer

Apart from Mewtwo, I don't think any veteran that wasn't in Brawl will come back.

There's an extremely tiny chance of Diddy being replaced with Dixie, so tiny it shouldn't even be considered, so ignore this sentence.

Mario vs Sonic is too marketable to cut sonic, and Toon Link represents 50% of Zelda games. G&W is an amazing Smasher, Ice Climbers will come back even if it delays release 6 months, and everyone else basically guaranteed.
 

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That happens to everyone mate. Usually when you make a point that everyone agrees with. We rarely respond to things we agree with on forums.
I was mostly joking. lol Though since it seems to happen allot to me at forums, I must make allot of good points. :awesome:(I don't actually think that as it totally conflicts with the way I am, I generally think I am probably making a bad point (even though it looks good to me) and expect it to get riped apart like no tomorrow and surprised everytime it doesn't happen. Sheesh I am so negative on myself.)

But really on the whole Skull Kid thing. MASKED LINK to replace Toon Link as child Link or keep Toon Link or GTFO. (Not serious with the gtfo out, I jsut borred and wann be dramatic :p)
 

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Closed mindedness will lead to you being rather surprised at the SSB4 Roster. Remember The huge list of reasons we had for Villager, and the people we doubted for having them. And now we are going to do it for someone who is even more likely than Villager was to us.

If it ain't Palutena or Ridley, it ain't gonna be a Smash rep :troll:



Picking Vaati over Skull Kid proves you pick characters for the SOLE reason of how many games they are in and nothing else. Thus you will be very surprised at the roster of SSB4.

Also Wart has a chance in SSB???

I never said anything about that. He has a large timeline influence, has a good possibility of being in another Zelda game, is the 2nd most important and 2nd most reoccuring Zelda villian, and has a very, very large moveset potential. Although yes, being in more games does have it's importance, if it didn't we would have seen someone like Wart or Zant. I also think that Skull Kid's best chance would have been during Melee.
 

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My Argument: In the actual final boss fight, you don't fight the skull kid. You fight Majora's Mask, so the Skull Kid's more of a pawn and not the real villain. Similarly, as the Skull Kid, he doesn't really show any moves that lend him being a character, because you never really fight him.

Majora's Mask itself is the big villain in the game. The mask has an evil spirit in it and that's the game's antagonist. That's why you fight it, its incarnation, and it's wrath. In the Final Boss fight. It has its own subtitle. On every conceivable level of villainy, it's the big bad in the game. After he is freed from the mask (after he fails the mask), the mask tries to kill him. And it calls the Skull Kid a worthless pawn. So the Skull Kid doesn't even qualify as Majora's Mask's real villain. Majora's Mask could work, but it's a hard to have a mask floating without context. Having Skull Kid with a Majora's Mask would not presenting the true villain of the game, or how you fight Majora. And I'm a big advocate of presenting true game mechanics.
What you said is completely invalid because

A: Skull Kid WEARS Majora's Mask, meaning that Majora's Mask would be present meaning the "Big villian" would be. Also, Skull Kid WITH the mask is the more popular character than the actual Mask alone regardless of who the final boss is.

and

B: After the mask is defeated the evil has QUOTE: "Left the mask after all."However there was never any confirmation nor hinting that you could not USE it. Also we are now bringing 'Canon' into the subject. Doesn't this mean that we can't have 2 Link present at once, Ridley will be as big as he ever was, Marth is dead, R.O.B. is a malfunctioning piece of S***, Sheriff can only shoot in 8 directions, Link, Ness, Olimar, Villager, and Ike cannot jump, Fox doesn't have a reflector sheild, Pikachui can't use Skull Bash, and Pit can't fly unless Palutena is present in the battle.

I never said anything about that. He has a large timeline influence, has a good possibility of being in another Zelda game, is the 2nd most important and 2nd most reoccuring Zelda villian, and has a very, very large moveset potential. Although yes, being in more games does have it's importance, if it didn't we would have seen someone like Wart or Zant. I also think that Skull Kid's best chance would have been during Melee.
1. Actually Skull Kid is the 2nd most important/popular villian.

2. Being in more games HELPS and IS important, but it's not ESSENTIAL.

3. When you say "WART" are you reffering to SMB2??? I can't think of what situation in what alternate universe we "would have had" Wart.
 

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1. Actually Skull Kid is the 2nd most important/popular villian.

2. Being in more games HELPS and IS important, but it's not ESSENTIAL.

3. When you say "WART" are you reffering to SMB2??? I can't think of what situation in what alternate universe we "would have had" Wart.
I really don't see how Skull Kid is the 2nd most important Zelda character.

Universe:Wart replaces Bowser as new Mario villian :troll:
 

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I never said anything about that. He has a large timeline influence, has a good possibility of being in another Zelda game, is the 2nd most important and 2nd most reoccuring Zelda villian, and has a very, very large moveset potential. Although yes, being in more games does have it's importance, if it didn't we would have seen someone like Wart or Zant. I also think that Skull Kid's best chance would have been during Melee.
Might want to say something else before he flashes the Sheik icon again, goes into an entire paragraph about how Sheik is the sole reason you're wrong, and disregards you as another poor speculator.

I'm just really tired of him repeating his half-baked arguments over and over like nobody has even tried to get him to realize that he's not straight-up correct all the damn time.

Nevermind, looks like he already responded.
 

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I was arguing for the main antagonist of Majora's Mask. Not just any random Skull-Kid. As such I want Majora using Skull-Kid as his pawn. They could obviously improvise and use certain moves from each form with Skull-Kid. It wouldn't really accurately portray him. But they could do it.

I don't care about Falco's ranking. I still think Peppy is way more important. In a Professor Oak kind of way. I do not want him in the game or anything crazy like that. I just think he is more important to the Star Fox team. To be honest I think Slippy is more important than Falco too. Falco is a clone of Fox in his own franchise. I mean really?
But that's not how you face him in the game. In a game that's all about history, I think it's very important to depict characters as they are, or they risk misrepresenting the game. The skull kid was a victim who fell prey to the fear of being alone, not the villain. If you want the villain, you all should advocate for Majora's Wrath.

Oh, well then I agree with that. But Falco is still pretty important and definitely earns his spot on the smash roster. you can't beat 64 in canon without him. He saves fox in adventures. All the original Starfox Team is almost equally important to series. Who ranks first is just personal preference.

And on the Starfox clone thing: it makes sense. The moves reflect the aspects of an Arwing. Blaster = Lasers. Recovery special and forward= boost. Reclfector = barrel roll. If they ever mainly pilot anything else besides an arwing, they can change moves. if not, they all should keep them. ithey could differentiate the forward special, but it really isnt that big a deal.t's very faithful to their series. I wouldnt mind if they ever change moved, but I could also understand if they kept them.
 

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Might want to say something else before he flashes the Sheik icon again, goes into an entire paragraph about how Sheik is the sole reason you're wrong, and disregards you as another poor speculator.

I'm just really tired of him repeating his half-***** arguments over and over like nobody has even tried to get him to realize that he's not straight-up correct all the damn time.
I'm already prepared for that battle. It's mostly that Sheik is part of Zelda and would not contribute to another character slot like Skull Kid would. Something like that.
 

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I was mostly joking. lol Though since it seems to happen allot to me at forums, I must make allot of good points. :awesome:(I don't actually think that as it totally conflicts with the way I am, I generally think I am probably making a bad point (even though it looks good to me) and expect it to get riped apart like no tomorrow and surprised everytime it doesn't happen. Sheesh I am so negative on myself.)

But really on the whole Skull Kid thing. MASKED LINK to replace Toon Link as child Link or keep Toon Link or GTFO. (Not serious with the gtfo out, I jsut borred and wann be dramatic :p)
Yeah you're way too hard on yourself lol. Your opinions are just as good as anyone else's. And yes I agree Skull kid would be awesome and alot more fun than a young Link. I love bizarre surreal characters like him. I don't think it's very likely though.
 

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B-b-b-b-but Makse Link could be the new child Link and be unique by being able to put on different makss and getting a new moveset. ;-;
 

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Well i'm in no way a Dark Pit supporter, but as I said if Sakurai were to consider Dark Pit as a potential character, then he would have to think of a whole new moveset. And if you have played Kid Icarus: Uprising you would know that Pit/Dark Pit have a whole arsenal of weapons they could choose from. Anything from claws, staves, blades, orbitars etc...Dark Pit could possibly, use any of those weapons if Sakurai were to consider him.

Besides having the same abilities isn't a valid limitation, seeing how Fox, Wolf and Falco differ in moves. They can use their same weapons in different ways like how Falco kicks his reflector. But like I said i'm no Dark Pit supporter, and would rather have him as an Alt costume. So that twitter post picture can go either way.
Yeah, except Falco and Wolf were DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. Not just recolors with an attitude. Also they are IMPORTANT characters. Also I can't grasp the concept of having a character that is just a recolor of another and having their own move set. I mean you could do that with Ninten because he's a completely different person entirely, and like any NES/FAMICOM character would be rebooted to fit his OWN unique design. And different PSI powers are used like Beam, Teleport, or Hypnosis.

I don't think we are going to make a recolor a separate character for the sole purpose of making use of more in game weapons from Uprising.

I really don't see how Skull Kid is the 2nd most important Zelda character.
I said Villian. And are you implying Vaati is the 2nd most important and not Zelda???

And you think Vaati is a more popular Zelda VILLIAN.......................................................I have no comment.
 

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But that's not how you face him in the game. In a game that's all about history, I think it's very important to depict characters as they are, or they risk misrepresenting the game. The skull kid was a victim who fell prey to the fear of being alone, not the villain. If you want the villain, you all should advocate for Majora's Wrath.

Oh, well then I agree with that. But Falco is still pretty important and definitely earns his spot on the smash roster. you can't beat 64 in canon without him. He saves fox in adventures. All the original Starfox Team is almost equally important to series. Who ranks first is just personal preference.

And on the Starfox clone thing: it makes sense. The moves reflect the aspects of an Arwing. Blaster = Lasers. Recovery special and forward= boost. Reclfector = barrel roll. If they ever mainly pilot anything else besides an arwing, they can change moves. if not, they all should keep them. ithey could differentiate the forward special, but it really isnt that big a deal.t's very faithful to their series. I wouldnt mind if they ever change moved, but I could also understand if they kept them.
They are already misrepresenting Zelda in the game. The title character. Have you seen her in Brawl? It would be no different to have Majora in SSB4 with some mixed moves than it would be to have this weird hybrid Zelda. She mostly has Ocarina-esque moves in Brawl. She can also transform into Sheik. No one really cares. So I doubt anyone would care if they borrowed some substance for Skull-Kid. That is all I am getting at.

They don't really make any efforts to make the move-sets unique either. Look at Toon Link/Young Link. So much potential. Instead they made them clones.

In the end Majora has better chances than some no name Nintendo character that no one cares about. He is a great Zelda rep with a lot of popularity to back him.
 

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Yeah, except Falco and Wolf were DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. Not just recolors with an attitude. Also they are IMPORTANT characters. Also I can't grasp the concept of having a character that is just a recolor of another and having their own move set. I mean you could do that with Ninten because he's a completely different person entirely, and like any NES/FAMICOM character would be rebooted to fit his OWN unique design. And different PSI powers are used like Beam, Teleport, or Hypnosis.

I don't think we are going to make a recolor a separate character for the sole purpose of making use of more in game weapons from Uprising.



I said Villian. And are you implying Vaati is the 2nd most important and not Zelda???

And you think Vaati is a more popular Zelda VILLIAN.......................................................I have no comment.
Sorry about that, I meant villain. And I never said anything about him having more popularity, just importance.
 

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In regards to extra reps for Zelda, it's a distinct possibility.

Competition:
Impa
Toon Zelda/Tetra
YL w/ Masks
"One of the bad guys."

-Impa seems kinda unlikely because Sheik is there already.
-Toon Zelda/Tetra seems quite likely with WW, it being a Forbidden 7, it repping the "cartoon half" of zelda games. The tetra aspect brings new things to the roster.
-YL w/ Masks is unrealistic unless MM remake is announced. At which point, it's just slightly less unrealistic.
-"Bad guys" are Skull Kid(majora), Vaati, Demise, Ghirahim, Toon Ganondorf, and if there's another it's not relevant.
--Vaati has basically no chance. Not popular enough, not relevant, not big enough, not enough of a definitive fighting style.
--Demise...The only argument for him is "what he really is to the Zelda series." True story-wise, yeah, but I don't think anyone honestly views anyone other than Ganondorf as "the zelda bad guy."
--Ghirahim...It's kinda late for him, and the lack of Skyward Sword art suggests that Skyward Sword is going to get brushed aside a bit.
--Skull kid. His popularity is massive, and he's part of one of the best Zelda games of all time. Out of all the "other zelda bad guys," he's among the top mostly due to popularity and character appeal. He's got almost no chance unless MM is re-made.
--Toon Ganondorf...He's get a chance, a decent one, but he's not "The 24/7 Zelda bad guy," so making a toon counterpart for him, unlike Link or Zelda, is pushing it.

So out of all the "zelda bad guys" besides Ganondorf, Skull Kid has a good chance arguably the best or 2nd best, but I don't think another zelda bad guy has a good chance.

With all that said, Skull Kid is an extremely unique character, and it's hard to compare him to anything beyond really vague language ('smallish size. Zelda-bad-guy. Dark/Depressing vibe.") Ghirahim in the very least seems a lot like a Waluigi-Ganondorf.

As for Fox, Falco, and Wolf.. In order to give them new moves, you have to really think outside the box. And even beyond all that, they all "seem the same" until you look closely. They're far more similar than multiple characters should be, especially for such a lackluster/unpopular franchise (it's reps are popular in Smash. The franchise kinda sucks nowadays.) It's nothing like comparing Skull kid to anything.
 

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Closed mindedness will lead to you being rather surprised at the SSB4 Roster. Remember The huge list of reasons we had for Villager, and the people we doubted for having them. And now we are going to do it for someone who is even more likely than Villager was to us.
Villager was always the best Animal Crossing rep and was the one everyone was predicting should Sakurai had change his mind. People dismissed him due to the fact that Sakurai had previously dismissed him, that's not acting close minded, in fact that's the farthest thing from it when it comes to speculation.

That said, Villager or any other of the WTF characters we can't directly predict but predict will happen (like the Wii Fit Trainer) should not be used as an excuse to stop making educated guesses or stop using common sense, both being the basis and foundation of speculating.


Based on what we know, do you seriously consider Skull Kid as a character with a legitimate and notable chance for getting into Smash 3DS & Wii U who's worthy of our discussion?
 

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Sorry about that, I meant villain. And I never said anything about him having more popularity, just importance.
If Time-Line wise you mean then yes.

But that's not how you face him in the game. In a game that's all about history, I think it's very important to depict characters as they are, or they risk misrepresenting the game. The skull kid was a victim who fell prey to the fear of being alone, not the villain. If you want the villain, you all should advocate for Majora's Wrath.

Oh, well then I agree with that. But Falco is still pretty important and definitely earns his spot on the smash roster. you can't beat 64 in canon without him. He saves fox in adventures. All the original Starfox Team is almost equally important to series. Who ranks first is just personal preference.

And on the Starfox clone thing: it makes sense. The moves reflect the aspects of an Arwing. Blaster = Lasers. Recovery special and forward= boost. Reclfector = barrel roll. If they ever mainly pilot anything else besides an arwing, they can change moves. if not, they all should keep them. ithey could differentiate the forward special, but it really isnt that big a deal.t's very faithful to their series. I wouldnt mind if they ever change moved, but I could also understand if they kept them.
"But, that's not how you face him in the game"

I think we made it PRETTY clear that a lot of characters don't do stuff from the official game.

Okay, Falco is okay because of Starfox 64, but Majora's Mask ISN'T for Skull Kid???

That defense on Fox's moves still leaves questioning for C. Falcon. And a couple moves for other charactes. What about how Lucas's moves consist of ALL of Kumatora's. A lot of Character's have moves that are just made up, like R.O.B. So what about all the stuff the Mask CAN do but was never SHOWN.
 

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Villager was always the best Animal Crossing rep and was the one everyone was predicting should Sakurai had change his mind. People dismissed him due to the fact that Sakurai had previously dismissed him, that's not acting close minded, in fact that's the farthest thing from it when it comes to speculation.

That said, Villager or any other of the WTF characters we can't directly predict but predict will happen (like the Wii Fit Trainer) should not be used as an excuse to stop making educated guesses or stop using common sense, both being the basis and foundation of speculating.


Based on what we know, do you seriously consider Skull Kid as a character with a legitimate and notable chance for getting into Smash 3DS & Wii U who's worthy of our discussion?
I am pretty sure most people wanted/thought Tom Nook would be in if anything. Wii Fit Trainer is also logical. Anyone could have made the educated guess. No one thought of it though.

I am pretty sure everyone here can agree that it is likely that Zelda will be getting another rep. So it is fair to consider Skull Kid as a character with a legitimate and notable chance. At this point it is all speculation.

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How about instead for the Zelda franchis in SSB we just do this..... Gannondorf + Gannon, just imagine being able to play as Gannondorf and then tranforming into a upright walking boar wield a trident or dual swords. That would be so awesome and make Gannondorf more unique from Falcon. The awesomness for it be awesome. o.o
 

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Yeah, except Falco and Wolf were DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. Not just recolors with an attitude. Also they are IMPORTANT characters. Also I can't grasp the concept of having a character that is just a recolor of another and having their own move set. I mean you could do that with Ninten because he's a completely different person entirely, and like any NES/FAMICOM character would be rebooted to fit his OWN unique design. And different PSI powers are used like Beam, Teleport, or Hypnosis.
Noah has crossed the line from being arrogant into outright being in denial. His argument now is that Dark Pit is a recolor with an attitude, not a character. Despite being an actual character in Kid Icarus. While still insisting Ninten is different enough from Ness to warrant his inclusion in Smash Bros. based on his ideas, not canon.

I haven't seen anyone make such an ass out of himself since that time Wario wore a donkey suit at the plumber's crack convention. On that note, I look forward to New Super Wario Bros. U
 

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Noah has crossed the line from being arrogant into outright being in denial. His argument now is that Dark Pit is a recolor with an attitude, not a character. Despite being an actual character in Kid Icarus. While still insisting Ninten is different enough from Ness to warrant his inclusion in Smash Bros. based on his ideas, not canon.

I haven't seen anyone make such an *** out of himself since that time Wario wore a donkey suit at the plumber's crack convention. On that note, I look forward to New Super Wario Bros. U
To be fair Dark Pit is literally a clone. Like in the game he is a copy of Pit. He has his own personality, but he is the same person. Ninten is a different person.

How about instead for the Zelda franchis in SSB we just do this..... Gannondorf + Gannon, just imagine being able to play as Gannondorf and then tranforming into a upright walking boar wield a trident or dual swords. That would be so awesome and make Gannondorf more unique from Falcon. The awesomness for it be awesome. o.o
We might just get Giga-Bowser again for some demented reason. I would love a Ganon transformation though.
 

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Villager was always the best Animal Crossing rep and was the one everyone was predicting should Sakurai had change his mind. People dismissed him due to the fact that Sakurai had previously dismissed him, that's not acting close minded, in fact that's the farthest thing from it when it comes to speculation.

That said, Villager or any other of the WTF characters we can't directly predict but predict will happen (like the Wii Fit Trainer) should not be used as an excuse to stop making educated guesses or stop using common sense, both being the basis and foundation of speculating.


Based on what we know, do you seriously consider Skull Kid as a character with a legitimate and notable chance for getting into Smash 3DS & Wii U who's worthy of our discussion?
1. Everyone was NOT predicting Villager. Maybe like a COUPLE people, but those were the most unrealistic of rosters. The closest we got was Tom Nook.

2. Comparing Wii Fit Trainer to Skull Kid lowers your reputation, no offense. And is why I consider you closed minded, because you clearly exaggerate Skull Kid's unlikeliness. Saying Skull Kid is unlikely is respectable in every fashion. The way you described his unlikeliness through that gif shows some lack of consideration before dismissing a somewhat likely/possible character.

I'd also like to add Wii Fit Trainer was added for a number of GOOD reasons all of which would be immediately dismissed on Smashboards because she is in fact Wii Fit Trainer.

If you want characters that are predicted through lack of common sense, bias, or education. Try AR Man, Prince Sable, or Goku.

But, to consider Masked Skull Kid as such leads me to believe you may not know much about him or the incredible impact he left in the history of both Gamers, Nintendo, and of course most of all: The Legend of Zelda.

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Putting Vaati over Skull-kid is supposed to make the argument go away?
What he said. :laugh:
 

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It doesn't matter how similar he is to Pit, the fact is that from an extrinsic view, he's his own character with just as many merits as Skull Kid has. I'm not in favor of either, I'm saying that Noah is simply making claims based on whatever the hell fits his biases. "Dark Pit won't work because he's Pit but dark, but Ninten will work because we can MAKE him different!"

Can you seriously tell me those types of claims follow the same kind of scientific method used to debate in court or prove theories in science?

Also for the love of god, someone tell him Masked Skull Kid is already implied. Nobody is talking about the damn beak-faced version.
 

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Anyone who watched the reaction to the fake MM 3DS trailer knows just how important Skull kid (possessed by Majora) is.

I'm letting a hardcore bias get in my way of viewing Skull kid well, but the thing about Skull Kid is that this skull-kid-philia is very common.

Lol @ the idea of Dark Pit being "as much his own character" as Skull kid. That's complete nonsense. Dark Pit has a better chance, but Dark Pit is a literal clone. Hek, Skull kid is more a unique character than Ninten is, because Ninten and Ness seem like the exact same thing.
 

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Anyone who watched the reaction to the fake MM 3DS trailer knows just how important Skull kid (possessed by Majora) is.

I'm letting a hardcore bias get in my way of viewing Skull kid well, but the thing about Skull Kid is that this skull-kid-philia is very common.

Lol @ the idea of Dark Pit being "as much his own character" as Skull kid. That's complete nonsense. Dark Pit has a better chance, but Dark Pit is a literal clone. Hek, Skull kid is more a unique character than Ninten is, because Ninten and Ness seem like the exact same thing.
Dark Pit has a better chance than Skull Kid?????????

 

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A 2nd KI rep definitely isn't even close to guaranteed. By rights it should be, since KI is very popular right now, Sakurai loves KI, and Palutena is in high demand as a newcomer, but Sakurai's inherent desire to avoid seeming to favor his own series may work against her.
 

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What you said is completely invalid because

A: Skull Kid WEARS Majora's Mask, meaning that Majora's Mask would be present meaning the "Big villian" would be. Also, Skull Kid WITH the mask is the more popular character than the actual Mask alone regardless of who the final boss is.

and

B: After the mask is defeated the evil has QUOTE: "Left the mask after all."However there was never any confirmation nor hinting that you could not USE it. Also we are now bringing 'Canon' into the subject. Doesn't this mean that we can't have 2 Link present at once, Ridley will be as big as he ever was, Marth is dead, R.O.B. is a malfunctioning piece of S***, Sheriff can only shoot in 8 directions, Link, Ness, Olimar, Villager, and Ike cannot jump, Fox doesn't have a reflector sheild, Pikachui can't use Skull Bash, and Pit can't fly unless Palutena is present in the battle.
There's a difference between including characters from different generations (FE and Zelda), selectively choosing size (Ridley as they did with Bowser), bringing retro character to the modern era (ROB and sheriff), giving a character mechanics that their genre doesn't include (jumping), presenting barrel rolls in a ground setting (reflector), giving a character one move or two moves from their games in which other similar characters use (Pokemon and Earthbound) and presenting a character completely contrary to the nature of their personality and their overall story in their game. And you have Pit thing wrong, Palutena gives him limited flight and is watching him the whole battle (hence his final smash). Presenting the Skull Kid as a villain completely undercuts the story of the game, along with giving him the puppeteers moves.

Spoilers ahead, because you should really play this game.

Skull Kid was lonely because he had found friends in the four giants, but they left him in order to perform their roles in Termina. So Majora's Mask preys on this vulnerable kid and takes over his body. It influences his decisions and causes him to set the moon to destroy Termina in 3 days. In his destructive nature, he mistreats one of his other friends, Tael the fairy, and fails to take care of Tatl, another fairy. Link finds the Skull Kid and in shorts learns of his plot and tries to stop him with the help of Tatl. Tatl always tells Link he didnt used to be like this, and knows that the mask is manipulating him.

Link spends the game gaining strength, weapons, but most importantly masks. When Link is finally ready to stop him (with the help of four giants stopping the moon), Majora's Mask tries to kill skull kid. And it calls the Skull Kid a worthless puppet and garbage. It was his lack of will that made him a target. Tael remarks he wishes he was strong enough to see what was happening his friend. Link is summoned into the moon and encounters a bunch of kids wearing the masks hes collected. They all want someone to play with. And in the middle, is a kid sitting down wearing Majora's Mask. After you play with all the rest of the kids, you can play with Majora's Mask kid. Good guys vs bad guys. And he gives you the fierce deity mask, which contains the same evil powers as Majora's. But Link can control it, because his trials and friendship with Tatl and those in the game have made him stronger. And after epic battle with the three forms of Majora's Mask (Mask, Incarnation,and Wrath), Link defeats it and destroys the moon.

The Skull Kid learns that the four giants hadnt forgot about him, but he must let them go. and he learns that link risked everything to save him. he asks link to be his friend. They becomes friends, even as he and link parts ways. Skull Kid doesn't put on a new mask, or even the mask link gave him in OOT. Masks can bring great happiness, but true strength comes from yourself. The most important part of a mask isnt the design, or its power, but who wears it. The Skull Kid is now strong enough to live without masks, but with friends, even if they are far apart.


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So I'm not being a tied to canon in a sense to restrict characters or moves. I don't mind a little creative license and originality. But if a character is going to represent his game, he better represent his whole story and the game whole story. And a skull kid being presented as a villain of the story, isnt the whole story. Even if you call him Majora's Mask or present him as a puppet. Giving him moves of his puppeteer is also a bit off. Because the game deserves better than a poor representation of the story's nuances, final villain, and lessons. Just because it would be cool to have the moon as a final smash.

Of course, this being speculation, I could be wrong, and Skull Kid could still be in the game. But he's not likely. He's not the villain. And I would not prefer it.
 

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LIKE I SAID LET'S STRAY AWAY FROM THIS SKULL KID DEBATE AND LET'S SEE HOW YOU GUYS LIKE MY ROSTER. Robin and Ray are customizable characters. Yay all caps.
Toad - I don't see Toad getting in over the likees of Bowser JR or King Boo. The only thing he has going for him is a decent amount of popularity and being in most if not all Mario games. But he is just such a bland character. Keep him as a move for Peach to nod off to him and show he is the servant of the princess.

4 DK reps - 4 is pushing it, 3 ir more likey. And I expect Dixie to get in over Rool mostly due to recentness, which does play a factor in it.

Impa - Either to SS zelda + her over Zelda + Shiek or don't put her in.

Vaati - No, just no, you don't even have a child Link in your roster.

No 2nd KI character - Yea I think it's a safe bet to say the KI has a rather good chance to get a 2nd rep, most likely Palutena

Lucario - I seem him being replaced by Zoroak in all honesty and just don't see him staying in.

Snake - He was most definatly a one time character and is not making a come back. He was put in as a favor in the first place.

Robin - Yea I doubt robing will be getting in over Chrom, who is the lord of FE and isn't a player created character. If Robin does get in I see Robin a unit to be paired up with Crhom to show off the Pair Up feater of FEA.

Ray - Ermmmmmm who da heck is Ray??????????????????????????????????
 

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Sakurai is designing this game, not Miyamoto. Kid Icarus is fresh, Skull kid is not.
1. Well, then I guess ALL Miyamoto characters should be removed A.S.A.P. and

2. You picked...................a clone/recolor of another character.........................over one of the most popular Zelda characters................................................................. Because he's more RECENT???????????????

I spent HOURS trying to find the appropriate response to such paranormal stupidity, and I am still underwhelmed by what I found:


I had another one, but it was far too(Yet deservingly) inappropriate.


IT'S CONFIRMED, PEOPLE! ON SMASHBOARDS ANY CHARACTER CAN GET INTO SSB OVER ANOTHER CHARACTER FOR LITERALLY NO OTHER REASON THAN BEING IN A RECENTLY RELEASED GAME, NO MATTER HOW F***ING ********!


This may be the first time in my history of existence, where I felt need to PHYSICALLY slap somebody in the face through he interent.
 

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1. Everyone was NOT predicting Villager. Maybe like a COUPLE people, but those were the most unrealistic of rosters. The closest we got was Tom Nook.
Yes no one was betting on Animal Crossing character at all because, based on what we knew, they were characters that were dismissed by Sakurai. However, despite that, no one completely ruled them out due to Sakurai having considered Villager as well as Animal Crossing being the most notable franchise to come out of Nintendo in the past decade.

Villager, do to having been legitimately considered by Sakurai, was therefore on the top of the totem pole. Making him a character that speculators were predicting, but not betting on, of course, should Sakurai have changed his mind.

2. Comparing Wii Fit Trainer to Skull Kid lowers your reputation, no offense.
Coming from someone who has resorted to name calling despite not making any claims as to why you disagree with something that I did not say, none taken.

And is why I consider you closed minded, because you clearly exaggerate Skull Kid's unlikeliness. Saying Skull Kid is unlikely is respectable in every fashion.
I never said that Skull Kid was unlikely, all I asked you was if you personally thought he was worthy of our discussion to which I'm still waiting on an answer.

I'd also like to add Wii Fit Trainer was added for a number of GOOD reasons all of which would be immediately dismissed on Smashboards because she is in fact Wii Fit Trainer.
Yes from what we know now she was added for a good number of reasons that no one on the internet had guessed.

If you want characters that are predicted through lack of common sense, bias, or education. Try AR Man, Prince Sable, or Goku.
If I felt like it yes I would, but I have not made any predictions here as of late. All of my posts have been asking for the exact opposite kind of discussion which you claim to be in support of.

But, to consider Masked Skull Kid as such leads me to believe you may not know much about him or the incredible impact he left in the history of both Gamers, Nintendo, and of course most of all: The Legend of Zelda.

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Now that I have my copy ready, please tell me about what makes him such an enduring character even despite having been only in 1 Zelda game (as you said Masked Skull Kid) and what puts him above Tingle, Vaati, Zant, Wolf Link, Midna, and previously dismissed characters Toon Zelda & Sheik.
 

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LIKE I SAID LET'S STRAY AWAY FROM THIS SKULL KID DEBATE AND LET'S SEE HOW YOU GUYS LIKE MY ROSTER. Robin and Ray are customizable characters. Yay all caps.
Sorry, I had to respond to that last one, but I'm basically done with the debate.

I like the all four DK reps. Vaati would be cool so he could represent the toon generation kind of (MC had toon graphics). I don't favor Impa, but I can see a great deal of people want to include her. I just don't see a moveset from SS and I am not in favor of combination of OOT and SS. Keeping Lucario makes it not just gen 1 for pokemon so thats good. Shulk would be great, hes usually on my list.

I think Roy has had his chance to be in Smash, and smash should look forward not back. i've already made my roy argument before, but when it comes right down, to it, Roy is known for Smash to Smash fans, not FE. And if you are going to represent FE, it should be the other way around.
Ray - Ermmmmmm who da heck is Ray??????????????????????????????????
he's from custom robo.
 

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Toad - I don't see Toad getting in over the likees of Bowser JR or King Boo. The only thing he has going for him is a decent amount of popularity and being in most if not all Mario games. But he is just such a bland character. Keep him as a move for Peach to nod off to him and show he is the servant of the princess.

4 DK reps - 4 is pushing it, 3 ir more likey. And I expect Dixie to get in over Rool mostly due to recentness, which does play a factor in it.

Impa - Either to SS zelda + her over Zelda + Shiek or don't put her in.

Vaati - No, just no, you don't even have a child Link in your roster.

No 2nd KI character - Yea I think it's a safe bet to say the KI has a rather good chance to get a 2nd rep, most likely Palutena

Lucario - I seem him being replaced by Zoroak in all honesty and just don't see him staying in.

Snake - He was most definatly a one time character and is not making a come back. He was put in as a favor in the first place.

Robin - Yea I doubt robing will be getting in over Chrom, who is the lord of FE and isn't a player created character. If Robin does get in I see Robin a unit to be paired up with Crhom to show off the Pair Up feater of FEA.

Ray - Ermmmmmm who da heck is Ray??????????????????????????????????
With Toad, I believe he would be a better choice as a new Mario character than King Boo and Jr as he is one of the 5 last original Mario characters to get in, has a large amount of moveset potential, is getting more important roles in Mario games, and he is a playable character in the new non-NSMB game.

I don't think 4 DK characters is really pushing it too much as DK is Nintendo's 4th biggest franchise, K.Rool and Dixie would finish the DK characters, I can elaberate more if you want.

Not exactly sure what you meant about Impa. Have her replace Sheik as the transformation for Zelda?

Vaati and Child Link- Going to get Child Link out of the way 1st, Sakarai said that he felt he was important during Melee and Brawl, seeing how Sakarai's been changing his mind alot lately, it's not to far-fetched to say he won't be in and Sakarai said that there won't be any clones and Sakarai also said as a rule that both Link's will have the same moves.
Vaati is in because he is the 2nd most important and reoccuring Zelda villian, who is very important timeline wise and has alot of potential appearing again in another Zelda game. For a full explaination, I have one also covering counter-arguments in the Vaati thread if you want to see it.

Currently playing through KI right now, I might add Palutena in once I see her moveset potential.

Lucario is still a very popular and heavily promoted Pokemon with a very unique moveset and gimmick. He also replaced Zoroark as the mascot of Pokemon Smash. I also don't think Sakarai really cares about representing every generation and if he did add a gen 5 pokemon it would probably be Genesect

Unless Sakarai and Kojima, I believe it was, got into a huge argument and stopped being friends, I really don't see Snake leaving.

I don't think Chrom would be a very good customizable character.

Ray is from a Nintendo IP known as Custom Robo that was very popular on the Gamecube, don't know too much about it.
 
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