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I agree that Pokemon Trainer has a remote chance of being removed, but I think it's more cause of the difficulty programming and time it takes to make him can be put into more characters. I dont think it is all related to his popularity. Also, Pokemon is still very generation1 heavy and you have to think he is the first to go out of the generation 1 representatives.If I could make a subject pivot here:
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The Original 12 for obvious reasons.
Bowser and Pit for being already confirmed.
Peach, Zelda, Falco, and Ganondorf for being Melee veterans with no apparent reason for being removed.
Diddy Kong and King Dedede for being Brawl veterans to have had a large amount of support pre-Melee.
Everyone else for being a part of the SSB4 concept "art" Sakurai made.
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Ice Climbers on part of "technical difficulties of being implemented in the 3DS version".
Young Link, Roy, Dr. Mario, Pichu, and Mewtwo on part of being absent from Brawl.
Lucas, Toon Link, and Wolf on part of being considered semi-clones that do not diversify the roster as much as other newcomers would.
Pokemon Trainer and R.O.B. on part of being unpopular, even post-Brawl.
Lucario and Ike on part of possibly being replaced by "the new faces" of Pokemon X&Y and Fire Emblem: Awakening, respectively.
Snake and Sonic on part of their 3rd-party contract being only applicable to Brawl, as well as definite lack of focus on 3rd-party characters this time around.
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Can we agree on all of this? If not, make points as to who should go where. If possible, I'd love it if we can reach a consensus on this, considering how there was complaints a while back that we've covered everything already in this discussion.
(I hope this post doesn't sound too rude, I intend it to be in no way. I have difficulties so it may sound rude without me even noticing, I'm just trying to make a point when I say...)
Gogogo Masked Link. >_>
He didn't really consider him, though he did answer a question in regards to his inclusion in Super Smash Bros Melee (Or what he called Super Smash Bros. 2 in early development). "He might be included if he have another game" The following can be interpreted as him needing a sequel or making more appearances more other video games. This have been brought up by many Smashboards users (including Habanero and Golden) complete with a source. I guess it's really down to if Sakurai is aware of his recent promotion post-Brawl like Nintendo Land or Samurai Warriors 3.
Some of use can't read Japanese. and I will not go near google translate becuas eof how hirrible it is. So cna someone who knows Japanese translate? >_>
In the fifth post: "Or The Mysterious Murasame Castle from the past, you get in the rewrite and such s it would be quite interesting, and has a lot of expectations."
Basically it's that someone talking about characters that are attractive enough, not wanting cuts, mentions Samus from Metroid, mentions Joy Mech Fight and something about expecting it, and suggests the idea of bringing back The Mysterious Murasame Castle due to being interesting.
Uhm, Falco is far more compatetive the Wolf..... Like allot more competive... Wolf is like mid tier while Falco is jsut a tier above high tier I believe. Also if I'm not mistaken Wolf has been asked for since SSB64. So i think it is a fair bet to say Wolf is more popular. Plus there are people like me who don't like the actual Starfox games but like the characters in the game, and don't forget Wolf is a wolf and wolves are boss.
Leave both of them on the chopping block. I already pointed out why on Pokemon Trainer. Toon Link seems to be just as generational as Ike/Roy or Mewtwo/Lucario for a comparison. The "2nd" Link character can be any of the other different Link.
I said that falco is more competitive (I think you misread.), thats why I said he was more popular probably according to that poll, even though its really dumb because wolf is so much more important.Uhm, Falco is far more compatetive the Wolf..... Like allot more competive... Wolf is like mid tier while Falco is jsut a tier above high tier I believe. Also if I'm not mistaken Wolf has been asked for since SSB64. So i think it is a fair bet to say Wolf is more popular. Plus there are people like me who don't like the actual Starfox games but like the characters in the game, and don't forget Wolf is a wolf and wolves are boss.
Falco's popularity only came from his inclusion of melee, If it had been wolf things would have been different, also wolf's playstyle is way more interesting than falco's in smash, falco's playstyle is too samey when compared to fox's. Also Idk why krystal supporters wouldnt like wolf (Ive been rooting for wolf and krystal since brawl).
The Krystal and Wolf fanbases were rivals/enemies in the pre-Brawl speculation era, because it was kinda obvious that StarFox won't get two additional reps in Brawl.
I was happy with brawl because one of them was included, he was one of my most wanted characters (same for krystal), I remember being really disappointed as a kid when you see wolf in the opening movie but he wasnt unlockable. Wolf was a huge win.
Yea I did misread, my bad. >_> I somehow read "It kills me that poll says that more people want wolf than falco, how silly, they must not be star fox fans and probably only like him since he is competitive." instead. My bad. Sorry. >_<
I'm a Krystal supporter and I like wolf. allot. But I think I just love furries to much tbh.
To be fair Falco is pretty dang different from Fox in Brawl. The only have 2 Specials that are the same, the Reflector and Blaster both works differently, and almost none of their Attacks are the same in Brawl. Plust they both have vastly different play styles. Falco is about Chain Grabs and areial combat. So even calling the Semi-Clones in Brawl is being genouros tbh. and ofc Wolf is completly different from both of them.
I still think they can make falco alot more interesting, hopefully they will try to change him further in 4.
If all the characters in that trailer were really in, them plus the veterans from brawl, I wouldnt need anymore characters this time.Roster Speculation is always great, and to try and stray away from complaining and comparing about Starfox characters, I have this:
A quick little custom trailer featuring some newcomers, the veterans, the three confirmed newcomers, and some great music.
Assuming we believe this picture, Dark Pit will be in the roster.I don't think PT is in Jeopardy. I only say this because of that Twitter post Sakurai posted back in February-March: