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TheTuninator

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Takamaru is not really an "almost guaranteed" character, and indeed the fact that so many people want him as a retro rep makes me think that Sakurai may look elsewhere. He seems to like his retro reps to be at least somewhat surprising.
 

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Have you ever played a multi player match with the exact same character?
You mean when someone picks like regular Mario and the other person picks random and gets the exact same Mario with no lighting or shading?? :D

But yea, Idk if that's the same thing but I get you're point.

Yeah but it's still Megaman, there should be no controversy at all.
True as well. I mean don't get me wrong It's not like I don't want Snake in the game. I just can't see it happening again.
 

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Takamaru is not really an "almost guaranteed" character, and indeed the fact that so many people want him as a retro rep makes me think that Sakurai may look elsewhere. He seems to like his retro reps to be at least somewhat surprising.
Pit was decently popular before his inclusion, apparently. So, he did not have the surprise factor. Atleast, that's what I hear from the pre-Brawl era users here.
 

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You mean when someone picks like regular Mario and the other person picks random and gets the exact same Mario with no lighting or shading?? :D

But yea, Idk if that's the same thing but I get you're point.

I mean when player one picks Mario and player two picks Mario as well etc. Yes.

Good then you agree that it is possible for both Toon Link's to coexist, especially since the one on the Spirit Train Stage is not the same one who was playable in Brawl and the fact he looks slightly different and is wearing different clothing and all.
 

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Nana and Popo have the same body (sorry couldn't find a better word :p), they share the same moves, so it's not complicated to understand them.
Diddy and Dixie are different characters, it would be complicated to learn.
 

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I mean when player one picks Mario and player two picks Mario as well etc.

Good then you agree that it is possible for both Toon Link's to coexist, especially since the one on the Spirit Train Stage is not the same one who was playable in Brawl and the fact he looks slightly different and is wearing different clothing and all.
I still can't see a Toon Link being played and then one being on the stage background at the same time. We'll have to see though. I hope they announce a character every month though sounds fair imo.

The only duo character that has a chance of happening would be diddy Dixie and even then it could be similar to transforming.
I was thinking that too, but i'm not sure, that could be a way to get Dixie and K Rool in.
 

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I still can't see a Toon Link being played and then one being on the stage background at the same time. We'll have to see though. I hope they announce a character every month though sounds fair imo.

Fair enough, so long as you acknowledge that this doesn't exactly deconfirm him as it's still too vague unless Sakurai comments about it himself. Then it's cool. ;)
 

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Fair enough, so long as you acknowledge that this doesn't exactly deconfirm him as it's still too vague unless Sakurai comments about it himself. Then it's cool. ;)

Yea, nothing is guranteed other than the stuff they posted on the site. No matter what kind of logic we have for our reasons, and no matter what makes the most sense. It's all up to Sakurai~
 

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Once again "Not being able to see it happen" means NOTHING. That's literally his ONLY reason for anything. :facepalm:
 

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I still can't see a Toon Link being played and then one being on the stage background at the same time. We'll have to see though. I hope they announce a character every month though sounds fair imo.



I was thinking that too, but i'm not sure, that could be a way to get Dixie and K Rool in.
I think they will both get in this time, diddy and dixie due to sakurais original vision and k. rool due to popularity.
 

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Um...no they're not.

New Unique characters + "The 3DS version is having problems with characters like "ICE CLIMBERS" + WarioWare series needs another character + "More strong females" + Kat and Ana being a duo character like Ice climbers = Kat and Ana for Smash 4.
I think you're missing the point of "3DS version is having problems with characters like Ice Climbers". If we had a lone Ice Climber as a playable character, then no problem, that works. The issue is getting two characters to work as one in the 3DS version. This means that duo characters are especially unlikely and that if they were to make the effort to re-implement duo characters, that position would go straight to veterans like Ice Climbers rather than new characters like Kat & Ana.

From a technical standpoint, Kat & Ana are very unlikely right now.
Once again "Not being able to see it happen" means NOTHING. That's literally his ONLY reason for anything. :facepalm:
Meanwhile, Noah's own answers are long-winded ways of "Not being able to see it happen" with a hint of hostile undertones. He's ready to post videos and .gifs of his reactions, but seldom ever posts anything credible to what he says. Good effort.
 

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I think you're missing the point of "3DS version is having problems with characters like Ice Climbers". If we had a lone Ice Climber as a playable character, then no problem, that works. The issue is getting two characters to work as one in the 3DS version. This means that duo characters are especially unlikely and that if they were to make the effort to re-implement duo characters, that position would go straight to veterans like Ice Climbers rather than new characters like Kat & Ana.

From a technical standpoint, Kat & Ana are very unlikely right now.

Meanwhile, Noah's own answers are long-winded ways of "Not being able to see it happen" with a hint of hostile undertones. He's ready to post videos and .gifs of his reactions, but seldom ever posts anything credible to what he says. Good effort.

Wouldn't they want at least 1 more kind of duo character to have I guess some kind of diversity?
 

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Wouldn't they want at least 1 more kind of duo character to have I guess some kind of diversity?
You're not listening.

They are having trouble implementing any duo character. Inside the software, not their own ideas, it is troublesome to code duo characters for the 3DS version. They want a duo character either in the form of Ice Climbers or someone else, that's implied, but Sakurai has said that there are issues with actually adding them. Yes, they want a duo character, but they may not be able to add one in the first place.
 

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Robert, calm down man. I REALLY don't want see Noah making a wall of text again. (>_>)
 

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They might want another duo character if they really want one and are willing to put the effort in them for the 3DS version, but yeah if any duo character makes it in, Ice Climbers would definitely get the full priority. Speaking of duo characters. I tried having four Ice Climbers in the Fountain of Dreams stage after I heard about the mirroring thing today and the game did lag a little. Was kinda surprised I never noticed that. Then again, I never had 4 Ice Climbers on the Fountain of Dreams stage in Melee before.
 

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They might want another duo character if they really want one and are willing to put the effort in them for the 3DS version, but yeah if any duo character makes it in, Ice Climbers would definitely get the full priority. Speaking of duo characters. I tried having four Ice Climbers in the Fountain of Dreams stage after I heard about the mirroring thing today and the game did lag a little. Was kinda surprised I never noticed that. Then again, I never had 4 Ice Climbers on the Fountain of Dreams stage in Melee before.
makes sense. the game is pretty much trying to process 8 moving models on a fairly busy stage.
 

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makes sense. the game is pretty much trying to process 8 moving models on a fairly busy stage.

Not just that, but somebody also said that the reflections on the water were also moving models that played along, making it 16 characters on the stage. The game doesn't lag in any other stage when you have 4 Ice Climbers playing on them. (So far I know at least)
 

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Not just that, but somebody also said that the reflections on the water were also moving models that played along, making it 16 characters on the stage. The game doesn't lag in any other stage when you have 4 Ice Climbers playing on them. (So far I know at least)
yeah as cool and unique as the duo gimmick is, its easy to see why it can have some technical problems.
 

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Robert, calm down man. I REALLY don't want see Noah making a wall of text again. (>_>)
He blocked me the other day. You don't have to worry about any more walls of text (directed at me, at least). He can go off on any tangent he wants while I can poke at it without having to hear him lash out. It's a perfect win-win.

yeah as cool and unique as the duo gimmick is, its easy to see why it can have some technical problems.
Speaking of duo gimmicks, what if we took it a step further? I'd love to see how nutso duo characters that transform would play out. Like, as an example, if Zelda and Sheik came as a duo where you can press Down B to switch which form is the leader.
 

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Speaking of duo gimmicks, what if we took it a step further? I'd love to see how nutso duo characters that transform would play out. Like, as an example, if Zelda and Sheik came as a duo where you can press Down B to switch which form is the leader.
so like what people imagine the Diddy/Dixie duo would be? yeah that could be ok. those are the only characters i think could pull that off correctly though as its an actual mechanic from their game. that said i dont want it. on them specifically not in general
 

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He blocked me the other day. You don't have to worry about any more walls of text (directed at me, at least). He can go off on any tangent he wants while I can poke at it without having to hear him lash out. It's a perfect win-win.


Speaking of duo gimmicks, what if we took it a step further? I'd love to see how nutso duo characters that transform would play out. Like, as an example, if Zelda and Sheik came as a duo where you can press Down B to switch which form is the leader.

I fancied this idea with Jonathan and Charlotte from Castlevania Portrait of Ruin. (I think I might've even posted this on a potential roster back in 2011 whilst asking for advice) Essentially Jonathan would be a whip-based user while Charlotte would be able to cast magic but instead both would be present. Instead of mimicking their partner's attacks (Like Ice Climbers) they would each use a unique attack that would successfully combo, and you would also have the ability to switch who the leader/controlled character is.

Examples would be that Jonathan attacks with his whip but if Charlotte is present she could buff the attack with magic, or if Charlotte casts a short range fireball Jonathan would strike with his whip so the attacks could combo/flow together.

Edit again: Now I'm inspired to make a moveset for them...
 

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I see allot of people say that if another duo character gets in, presuming they fix the problem with the 3DS version that is, that it will be Diddy and Dixie. I have another idea however. What if instead if there was a new duo character with the ICs it is to show the new game mechinac of FE, Pair Up? I mean the Pair Up mechanic in FEA was a pretty big step foward adn was postively recieved very well, and was advertise pretty big as well. So it could be possible a new FE character slot could be 2 character from FEA in 1 to represent the Pair Up feature with it being either Chrom + Robin or chrom + Lucina. I dunno I think that could stand a good chance as well if they get the limitations of the 3DS figured out and add a new duo character. o.o
 

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I see allot of people say that if another duo character gets in, presuming they fix the problem with the 3DS version that is, that it will be Diddy and Dixie. I have another idea however. What if instead if there was a new duo character with the ICs it is to show the new game mechinac of FE, Pair Up? I mean the Pair Up mechanic in FEA was a pretty big step foward adn was postively recieved very well, and was advertise pretty big as well. So it could be possible a new FE character slot could be 2 character from FEA in 1 to represent the Pair Up feature with it being either Chrom + Robin or chrom + Lucina. I dunno I think that could stand a good chance as well if they get the limitations of the 3DS figured out and add a new duo character. o.o
That's another definite possibility and my preferred new duo character. :awesome:

I just don't think it will happen sadly.
 

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I see allot of people say that if another duo character gets in, presuming they fix the problem with the 3DS version that is, that it will be Diddy and Dixie. I have another idea however. What if instead if there was a new duo character with the ICs it is to show the new game mechinac of FE, Pair Up? I mean the Pair Up mechanic in FEA was a pretty big step foward adn was postively recieved very well, and was advertise pretty big as well. So it could be possible a new FE character slot could be 2 character from FEA in 1 to represent the Pair Up feature with it being either Chrom + Robin or chrom + Lucina. I dunno I think that could stand a good chance as well if they get the limitations of the 3DS figured out and add a new duo character. o.o

If they did Lucina + Chrom then I think they should make it so that if Chrom gets KO-d Lucina disappears from existence, thus KO-ing the pair. :troll:
 

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If they did Lucina + Chrom then I think they should make it so that if Chrom gets KO-d Lucina disappears from existence, thus KO-ing the pair. :troll:
that actually kind of brings up an interesting question. can the second character be KO-d even if they aren't the one ur controlling at the time?

and on an unrelated note i just found this video of Smash. it made me laugh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY8EoXDCk0Y
 

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If they did Lucina + Chrom then I think they should make it so that if Chrom gets KO-d Lucina disappears from existence, thus KO-ing the pair. :troll:
Well I was unable to find a FEA meme of does not approve, but couldn't find one and to lazy to make one myself. So this will have to do.
 

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that actually kind of brings up an interesting question. can the second character be KO-d even if they aren't the one ur controlling at the time?

and on an unrelated note i just found this video of Smash. it made me laugh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY8EoXDCk0Y

I would imagine that it would be similar to Ice Climbers in that if you were successful to separate the pair you could essentially KO the partner while not KO-ing the primary character.
 

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I don't expect the duo character to be Diddy/Dixie.

First off, I don't see Sakurai throw away the completely good moveset he gave Diddy.

Second, if the Diddy/Dixie idea couldn't work out on the Wii, I don't expect the 3DS to be able to handle it.
 

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Play 4 Ice Climbers on Giant Melee on Fountain of Dreams with Items set only to Super Mushrooms on high.
 

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Does the game explode?
First you will hear a ringing noise, but only soft enough to make you wonder if it's real. Then As you are entranced in the game, the TV gets bigger and you get smaller, and then all the food you ate goes right to your thighs...................and then you blow up. :skull:

Trust me I've seen it before. (11 times as a matter of fact.) :troll:
 

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First you will hear a ringing noise, but only soft enough to make you wonder if it's real. Then As you are entranced in the game, the TV gets bigger and you get smaller, and then all the food you ate goes right to your thighs...................and then you blow up. :skull:

Trust me I've seen it before. (11 times as a matter of fact.) :troll:
Oh my. So you've been killed 11 times.... You must have had a lot of spare 1-up mushrooms. :troll:
 

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I think for Dixie and Diddy Kong on the Wii, it's not that the Wii could not handle it; it's that the overall game would have less characters due to the amount of work that needs to be done for the pair. It's like how Pokemon Trainer was basically developing three characters. I think I remember Sakurai remarking that one possible character could have happened, but it would have taken the time of four other characters.

For Ice Climbers, others duos, and transformations, I think we are still far enough out where they can still fix these problems. Sakurai mentions that the team is experiencing problems; not that they are unsurmountable. For Dixie and Diddy or Lucina and Chrom pairings, I would prefer that if one of the characters dies, the other character disappears in a similar fashion to their game. For the DKC characters, they would start crying and then fade away, For Chrom and Lucina, I would prefer they fade as a unit does when it dies, along with the sound effect. If you zoom in on their face, you should be able to see them grit their death as they do in the large portraits before they die. This is of course if you can switch off between the characters. And you should only be able to switch the characters on the ground.
 

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I don't see ANY reason not to add Skull Kid other than "he wasn't in the most recent Zelda games." I don't see that as a reason not to add him AT ALL. So why do people have a problem with him. What Majora's Mask didn't leave a GIANT impact on the Zelda universe, because I beg to differ. I think a Majora's Mask rep is understandable in every respect and is actually very likely.
 
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