Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Fire Emblemier]

I know it's going to happen, I'm not even joking. People thinking that he will be decloned are crazy, and Luigi and Toon Link are more than enough justifiable for my point. I expect all the clones/semi-clones to stay clones and semi-clones. It really is a pipe dream even with thinking Black Shadow could use the Captain Ganondorf stuff. This is what I truly expect to happen. Do I want it? Not really, but if you don't like it, you just have to deal with it.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

why are people saying Sakurai is going for uniqueness it's obvious what Sakurai is doing
showing off he unique characters with their own trailers until the game is about to come out then HE SHALL SHOW US THE REST OF THE NEWCOMERS AND THEY SHALL ALL BE CLONES
I went cap locks on yall

Mainly for the reason some people like playing as clone ganondorf. Why doesn't he change toonlink? because some people actually like his playstyle, its YL-esque.

All i'm saying is some clones might not actually be de-cloned. Not that the newcomers will be clones... lol

 

[Deleted member]

I'm on the grounds that Ganondorf is going to be a troll move.
He's going to SEEM different, but then....when one takes the time to actually notice his moves.....he hasn't changed. Just has different animations.
i.e. "Warlock Punch" replaced with a sword thrust that does the EXACT SAME THING.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'm on the grounds that Ganondorf is going to be a troll move.
He's going to SEEM different, but then....when one takes the time to actually notice his moves.....he hasn't changed. Just has different animations.
i.e. "Warlock Punch" replaced with a sword thrust that does the EXACT SAME THING.

Well to be fair, if we're strictly talking properties here, then Ganondorf does have a lot of differences from Captain Falcon. So having different animations would probably make it more apparent.

 

[APC99]

Well to be fair, if we're strictly talking properties here, then Ganondorf does have a lot of differences from Captain Falcon. So having different animations would probably make it more apparent.

Different animations wouldn't bother me too much, as long as he gets an increase in speed, keeps the Flame Choke, a hovering ability and some sort of projectile, I'm good.

 

[TopTierPichu]

like a mewtwo hover?

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

I'm not arguing Snake's inclusion is inevitable as of now. I'm arguing Snake's previous induction had nothing to do with being a so-called "Nintendo All-Star", but rather other factors taken into consideration.

But could that even be proven for sonic as well? His popularity had little to do with nintendo or a nintendo all star status especially at that time where he was still barely making his way in during the gamecube era. He was a gaming star like snake, and both should get equal treatment since i doubt sakurai has any of the same reason for inclusions that most seem to think he does.

Oh and id like to see people use this new snake render in their rosters too

Spoiler

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

My roster have 45 characters and 12 newcomers...

 

[Fire Emblemier]

But could that even be proven for sonic as well? His popularity had little to do with nintendo or a nintendo all star status especially at that time where he was still barely making his way in during the gamecube era. He was a gaming star like snake, and both should get equal treatment since i doubt sakurai has any of the same reason for inclusions that most seem to think he does.

Oh and id like to see people use this new snake render in their rosters too

Spoiler

What Metal Gear game is that render from because it's awesome and I've never seen it before?

View attachment 5305 My roster have 45 characters and 12 newcomers...

No Snake or Lucas? People shouldn't even bother with cuts on prediction rosters unless they have been truly decomfirmed, as they mostly cause big arguments around here.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

What Metal Gear game is that render from because it's awesome and I've never seen it before.

Its was created for the MGS legacy collection, along with this one too

Spoiler

 

[majora_787]

I had actually posted this before, but I don't remember getting commentary on it. Now it's lost in the thread forever. It's vertically oriented, and the reason Rosalina is where she is is because Mii used to be there, but after the 3D World reveal of Rosalina, I had an excuse to slap her on the roster over the Mii.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

How about this one?​

Nope, people would still be happy to have characters like Kaiba, Amy Rose, Reshiram, Regigigas, Zurg, and Jenna in Smash. (I'd find Yu-Gi-Oh characters to be awesome myself)
0.5/10.

I've been thinking about it, and having absolutes would be impossible.
I think someone will be happy with something, even if I put a generic rock as a playable character.

Therefore, my current roster is this:

However, someone could still be happy with still having 4 players, or happy about the design of the logo and such.
....
Sigh.

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[TopTierPichu]

im still certain that Mii is very likely and because Mii will be in it there will be no need for Waluigi

 

[Deleted member]

I need someone who knows more than just one semester of Elementary Japanese and doesn't need to use a translator to help me out here.

"J.S."

スタッフの皆さん！イカしたゲームをありがとう！
スマブラ２、「ジャイロ＆ブロック」出せませんか？

Sakurai

どういたしまして！
でも「ロボット」関連はムズカシイでしょう！

This was at the bottom of page 7 on the Smash 64 questionnaire page. With a brief glance, it sounds as though Sakurai is saying that incorporating anything from the "Robot" franchise (R.O.B.) would be difficult.
If this is true....this adds an interesting point in speculation, wouldn't everyone agree?


EDIT:
Miis and Waluigi do not correlate.

 

[TopTierPichu]

I need someone who knows more than just one semester of Elementary Japanese and doesn't need to use a translator to help me out here.

"J.S."

スタッフの皆さん！イカしたゲームをありがとう！
スマブラ２、「ジャイロ＆ブロック」出せませんか？

Sakurai

どういたしまして！
でも「ロボット」関連はムズカシイでしょう！

This was at the bottom of page 7 on the Smash 64 questionnaire page. With a brief glance, it sounds as though Sakurai is saying that incorporating anything from the "Robot" franchise (R.O.B.) would be difficult.
If this is true....this adds an interesting point in speculation, wouldn't everyone agree?


EDIT:
Miis and Waluigi do not correlate.

the robot series would be difficult because the only character left in the series is that scientist that created R.O.B.
also Everybodies moveset for Waluigi involve stuff from party games and sports games, all which Mii's have also done

 

[XStarWarriorX]

@Golden: Too bad lonewolf or venus aren't here, they could probably help out when they show up. (sadly I can't help)

But yes, agreed it would be an interesting tidbit.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I think when it comes to R.O.B., it's more like the limited material you can work with. Stack Up and Gyromite, that's basically it. It's probably the second hardest "franchise" to get material from, the hardest being Ice Climber.

 

[Deleted member]

"Everybodies".

Clearly you've only seen a few. And none of those few being my old moveset from a while back.
Waluigi has abilities of his own to use rather than just "hit with tennis racket", "hit with golf club", "throw baseballs at people" etc.



On another note, if anyone wants to know what the Smash symbol is about, here it is:
「スマブラのロゴ」とは丸に十字のマークのことですか？
あれは、スマブラが他の世界観を集めているゲームなので、
それを１つにまとめるマークがなにか必要ということで
シンプルであることを重視してデザインされました。

線がクロスしていることでクロスオーバー
（アメコミなどに見られる、別々の世界を持つ作品を併せる手法）を、
４つに割れていることで４人対戦をあらわし、
縦横の線の太さがちがう理由は・・・うーん、わすれた。

From what I can tell, he's saying that the circle is split into four parts to reflect 4 players, while the cross that breaks it apart reflects the game being a crossover. The differing thickness of the two crossing lines, however, is something Sakurai doesn't remember what it means.

I'm coming with a bit of a gold mine it seems.
Page 10 has Sakurai commenting on a person's ideas for what would essentially become Mr. Game & Watch with interest, and it was one of the few he responded to on that page.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I've created a new roster!

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Huh. So the people talking about it representing light going through window panes were thinking about it too deeply.
The lines "cross over" each other, so the only thing I could think of were the different series fighting one another.

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[XStarWarriorX]

I can't.... stop laughing......at that roster.

 

[Manny Toons]

I've created a new roster!

My God, I needed that laugh.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I've created a new roster!

Still needs more Swanky Kong.

No roster is complete without this:

 

[FlareHabanero]

For some reason when I saw that roster the first thing that came to mind was "Everyone in the future is Chrom!".

 

[Deleted member]

More things.
Page 11 has someone asking for Sakurai to include more....I'm guessing ugly guys, since I'm getting "real, dark, and sweaty" characters, and he responds with listing Wario, Blakkie (Foreman Spike), and Samurai Goroh with questioning who else could be considered to fit the description.
Not sure if it means anything, but it might be something for the Goroh fans.

It also has what appears to be why Sakurai had an original final boss instead of someone like Bowser like someone asked.
His response is that it would have ended the game in Mario's world. Bowser was apparently not the only one he considered; he seems to have considered Ganon, Dedede, and Andross of all things, but went with an original to end it in Smash's own world.

 

[JamesDNaux]

For some reason when I saw that roster the first thing that came to mind was "Everyone in the future is Chrom!".

"Cohrm is inervetable!" Fire Emblem shields activate!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

If there is a fourth DK rep, it's definitely going to be Confederate Kong. And I don't mean the one from Diddy Kong Pilot.

 

[Deleted member]

Page 12 apparently has a statement by Sakurai that Smash was inspired by two games; the four-player fighting aspect by Yu Yu Hakusho Makyoutohissen for the Mega Drive (which
many people seemed to ask him about) and Shao Lin's Road.

ここで出ている『幽遊白書』とは、
４人同時プレイができる、
メガドライブの傑作対戦ゲームです。

スマブラとも共通点がいくつかありますが、
実はスマブラ構想の核となったゲームがあるとしたら、
それは別のゲームだったりします。

『ショーリンズロード（少林寺への道）』という
オールドゲームなのですが、ごぞんじでしょうか？

強いて言うなら、のハナシです。
内容のあまりの違いに、あっけにとられるかもしれません。

Double post, but the Multi-Man Melee/Brawl?
It was something planned for 64.

 

[Manny Toons]

Page 12 apparently has a statement by Sakurai that Smash was inspired by two games; the four-player fighting aspect by Yu Yu Hakusho Makyoutohissen for the Mega Drive (which
many people seemed to ask him about) and Shao Lin's Road.

ここで出ている『幽遊白書』とは、
４人同時プレイができる、
メガドライブの傑作対戦ゲームです。

スマブラとも共通点がいくつかありますが、
実はスマブラ構想の核となったゲームがあるとしたら、
それは別のゲームだったりします。

『ショーリンズロード（少林寺への道）』という
オールドゲームなのですが、ごぞんじでしょうか？

強いて言うなら、のハナシです。
内容のあまりの違いに、あっけにとられるかもしれません。

Keep 'em coming, dude. This is some real intriguing stuff. (If there is any more, lol)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I still think Dry Bowser is going to be part of Bowser somehow. Even if it isn't that much of a difference.

 

[Deleted member]

Not much now, other than Sakurai boldly shouting that 50+ characters in the 2nd game is impossible. (Remember, this would be for Melee, not now)

Ah.
Sakurai shows lack of concern over size discrepancies right in the first game.

Someone sent him a message about how Kirby is supposed to be 20 centimeters tall, yet Link is only two Kirby's tall in Smash, which Sakurai responds with characters not being to scale because they're toys.

As if there wasn't enough reason that the "Ridley is too big" argument is full of crap.

 

[SuperBrawler]

[COLLAPSE=Reasoning]
Most of these are pretty obvious except Cranky Kong.

Cranky Kong: Important to his series, somewhat popular, unique, to see what would happen.
Ridley: duh
Palutena: duh
Takamaru: Popular, unique, another blue haired swordsman.
Little Mac: duh
Isaac: I think he is more likely than Shulk, and he would be unique. He is also pretty popular.
Reggii: just a generic Mii, but it is Reggii's Mii.
Mewtwo: duh
Robin: More unique than Roy or Chrom, pretty important to series, popular.
Pac-Man: Popular, I think he is better than the other 3rd Parties.
[/COLLAPSE]

 

[Deleted member]

I would be perfectly happy with that roster.
(Only change I would make is replace Isaac with Wrestler & Reporter from Rhythm Heaven. )


Also, minor point, but Sakurai mentioned (in response to someone saying Smash 2 should have James Bond) that it would take a lot of money to include a character from 007 and Star Wars (because he admits earlier that the Beam Sword is essentially a lawyer-friendly version of a lightsaber), and thus Hal Labs. would likely not go for it.
Then lists other examples:
Popeye
"Spartan X" (which some may know as Kung-Fu or Kung-Fu Master); which is referring to the protag Thomas
Nakayama Miho (since Nintendo did Nakayama Miho no Tokimeki High School)

as what would most likely be impossible to feature as well.

So there we go. We know the REAL issue in regards to non-video game characters; licensing costs. Now, Thomas isn't a non-video game character, but he is one that isn't owned by Nintendo, which is a separate issue.

EDIT: Finished 46/169.
Packing it in for the night.

 

[LordJackal]

I just realized I haven't shown you guys my roster. It's in video form, but I get so into the reasoning that it gets to be around twenty minutes. Still, I put a lot of work into it and I hope you like it.

 

[AEMehr]

I just realized I haven't shown you guys my roster. It's in video form, but I get so into the reasoning that it gets to be around twenty minutes. Still, I put a lot of work into it and I hope you like it.

Ah yes, I remember this.

Easily one of the greatest rosters ever made with award winning cinematography.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Personally, am thinking Ridley has more issues than size alone. I think size is often used as an excuse to name those issues. A more hunched Ridley could make a good fighter stance for him, picture Melee / Brawl's Bowser. He would just move around really awkwardly, especially on the ground. Thinking he'll face quite a lot of problems similar to Melee Mewtwo to. Huge tail hurtbox, big target (obviously), lower weight than expected to make up for incredible recovery (despite his size I think Ridley will be lighter than Donkey Kong at least) and slow moves. Think Ridley's range will be less of a problem then it was for Melee Mewtwo however, but still... It's a character that really is a league of his own to make playable. Am just not sure if Sakurai is capable of doing this (yet). I'd be interessted to see Ridley work, but am just not expecting it anymore.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

What's going on? More ignorance?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Lets just talk about Rhythm Heaven Wrestler...

I vote his audience cheer should be: OH YOU GO BIG GUY!

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Personally, am thinking Ridley has more issues than size alone. I think size is often used as an excuse to name those issues. A more hunched Ridley could make a good fighter stance for him, picture Melee / Brawl's Bowser. He would just move around really awkwardly, especially on the ground. Thinking he'll face quite a lot of problems similar to Melee Mewtwo to. Huge tail hurtbox, big target (obviously), lower weight than expected to make up for incredible recovery (despite his size I think Ridley will be lighter than Donkey Kong at least) and slow moves. Think Ridley's range will be less of a problem then it was for Melee Mewtwo however, but still... It's a character that really is a league of his own to make playable. Am just not sure if Sakurai is capable of doing this (yet). I'd be interessted to see Ridley work, but am just not expecting it anymore.

Ridley isn't an easy character to make, even us supporters admit so, but he's definitely not impossible at all. I mean, he's hardly anything compared to Pokémon Trainer, no characters in Smash that are currently implemented can match the amount of work that had to have been put into that character. Included in Pokémon Trainer is the first quadrupedal character and the first dragon character, even those two are big challenges, but the biggest trouble they must have had with him is flat out balancing and making the whole damn switching thing load and work properly. Rosalina and Luma must also have been hard to make I imagine.

I think that the fact that Ridley would be hard to make might be what could gravitate Sakurai towards actually including him. Ridley isn't the kind of character they have done before, which is why he is hard to make, and as far as I can see that's exactly what Sakurai is looking for this time around. Sakurai isn't known for taking the easy way out after all, if anything he always takes the challenging way to get what he believes is the best possible product. If he thinks Ridley is part of that best possible product, he will get him to work, no doubt about that.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Lately I've been feeling like a fool for scrapping some of the Brawl veterans on my roster input, so I decided to do away with at least one of my newcomer inputs that will probably never happen.

At the moment, I've simply scrapped Black Shadow to bring back R.O.B., since R.O.B. is the reason for why the video gaming industry bounced back from disaster.