Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[FlareHabanero]

So, how 'bout we take down this "leaked" shot?

Yup, that fake image is legit.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

So, how 'bout we take down this "leaked" shot?

Yes splat found proof its a fake picture

 

[Autumn ♫]

So, how 'bout we take down this "leaked" shot?

Ness doesn't have a shadow, Jigglypuff and Ness don't have the same art style as the rest of the characters in SSB4 and look more like their Brawl selves and Ness's left ear looks very undetailed compared to Toon Link and Link. So, it's pretty much fake.

 

[Gunla]

That, and that image just looks too much like Jigglypuff's Brawl Model to be on 3DS. Limitations.

 

[Lasifer]

Yes splat found proof its a fake picture

It's best to assume all "leaked" screenshots are fake until it's confirmed they are real.

That, and that image just looks too much like Jigglypuff's Brawl Model to be on 3DS. Limitations.

It's a lot less detailed than Jigg's Brawl model.

 

[Gunla]

It's a lot less detailed than Jigg's Brawl model.

My eyes are likely playing tricks on me. When I see the Jiggs in that image, I see her Brawl Eyes. Otherwise, the model does look less detailed.

 

[Chandeelure]

Why Jigglypuff has Pound instead of Double Slap?
Double Slap is much more iconic.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Why Jigglypuff has Pound instead of Double Slap?
Double Slap is much more iconic.

Why do we have Jigglypuff instead of Meowth?
Meowth is much more iconic.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Why do we have Jigglypuff instead of Meowth?
Meowth is much more iconic.

because at the time of release of smash 64 Jigglypuff was more popular than meowth in japan,
so they chose her.
and she is too much of a staple now, to be replaced than meowth

 

[Gunla]

I can see why Meowth is more Iconic. Which, though in true bias, while I prefer Jigglypuff, I've always wondered why Meowth wasn't chosen... I mean, don't we see it in 90% of the episodes of the show, at least?!

 

[FlareHabanero]

I can see why Meowth is more Iconic. Which, though in true bias, while I prefer Jigglypuff, I've always wondered why Meowth wasn't chosen... I mean, don't we see it in 90% of the episodes of the show, at least?!

Probably because it never came up.

Also in context, Jigglypuff was probably easier to include because she was basically an edit of Kirby. Hence why they share similar characteristics, especially in Smash 64 where they shared many attack animations.

 

[IsmaR]

I think the fact that the Meowth that popularized the character never using any attacks besides the occasional Fury Swipes might have contributed to it.

At least the Pokeball used its signature move.

 

[Gunla]

Yeah, it kind of shot Meowth's chances way back in 64 seeing how Jiggs was easy to make off of Kirby, as their frames and hitboxes are nearly identical. Then again, Jigglypuff has more viability with moveset, as it didn't just talk smack at people and use a very limited set of moves, like Meowth is mostly known for...

 

[SchAlternate]

I'M BACK!

So, did I miss anything?

Wait, lemme guess: it's nothing I wanna know, right?

 

[IsmaR]

Yeah, it kind of shot Meowth's chances way back in 64 seeing how Jiggs was easy to make off of Kirby, as their frames and hitboxes are nearly identical. Then again, Jigglypuff has more viability with moveset, as it didn't just talk smack at people and use a very limited set of moves, like Meowth is mostly known for...

It's a shame, really. Look at how badass Tyson's Meowth shows off its potential.

Truth be told, I think it would have been at least a little weird if it did (or didn't) talk in its anime voice, though.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd imagine at this point that the reason Meowth is not in Smash at this point is because Sakurai doesn't see that much he can do with him.

I mean, I'd be all for Meowth even if at Jigglypuff's expense, but really....all you have is a "Scratch Cat". As in, scratching, scratching, more scratching, and the occasional bite or hiss. Oh, and coin tossing that would only be used for one move.
Couple that with the main reason Meowth is iconic, the talking one from the anime, is known to be a poor fighter (unless he's fighting for love) and is more or less just a furry human ****** with claws, and that may be why he hasn't been included yet.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I'M BACK!

So, did I miss anything?

Wait, lemme guess: it's nothing I wanna know, right?

Well there was FE discussion

so yeah, basically you didn't miss much.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Probably because it never came up.

Also in context, Jigglypuff was probably easier to include because she was basically an edit of Kirby. Hence why they share similar characteristics, especially in Smash 64 where they shared many attack animations.

Yeah, that could very well be a major benefactor to her inclusion. The fact that she was a minor edit yet an entirely different character in terms of mechanics (having a much greater emphasis on horizontal recovery and aerial-juggling). I'm surprised more people here don't pay more attention to the mechanical aspect of characters in terms of prediction. Not like who would be a clone if added, but rather, why a character was added in the first place. Pokemon Trainer and Zero Suit Samus are two excellent examples of what I mean. Nobody really expected them, yet they were added to Brawl not only on their own merits to their series, but also because of what they can provide as unique additions to the roster entirely. Look at Sheik, who introduced the transforming mechanic. Look at Villager, who was added despite Sakurai's former opinions thanks to his unique anti-projectile playstyle. Mega Man, who has seamlessly makes use of projectiles outside of his special moves. Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, Wii Fit Trainer... We really don't give him enough credit for his choices. He isn't assembling a comic book of Nintendo's All-Stars. He's creating a video game. Shocking, I know!

I'd like it more if people would talk about characters with that in mind rather than simply choosing who has the most support or who has the most significance to their series. Of course, there are a lot of things we'd all like more of...

 

[SchAlternate]

I mean, I'd be all for Meowth even if at Jigglypuff's expense, but really....all you have is a "Scratch Cat". As in, scratching, scratching, more scratching, and the occasional bite or hiss. Oh, and coin tossing that would only be used for one move.

Didn't stop him from making a viable moveset for someone that only ever swings a sword.

Yeah, I know it's kind of a crappy comparison (is it?), but I just felt like being somehow involved in a Meowth discussion

 

[Deleted member]

There's more you can do with a sword than you can do with a set of claws without going overkill and/or still remain interesting.
EDIT: Not even Wolf uses his claws for everything.
EDIT2: Which actually reminds me; Wolf's fighting style also would get in the way of Meowth; he already fills the niche Meowth would.

 

[SchAlternate]

Well, he could use the claws... on his feet? As in, when he kicks? I don't know

Y' know, I can imagine him making a very stylish looking Genocide Cutter.

 

[Deleted member]

Does Meowth even have claws on his feet?

 

[FlareHabanero]

There's more you can do with a sword than you can do with a set of claws without going overkill and/or still remain interesting.

Don't know, there are whole characters that use a claw-based combat. For example, Wolverine, Vega, Taokaka, Felicia, hell even Wolf, and so forth.

Though, a character like Dillon would probably be more fitting then Meowth for that type of thing.

 

[Deleted member]

Meowth's Fury Swipes being the new Swiss Cheese confirmed.

 

[SchAlternate]

Does Meowth even have claws on his feet?

Cats in general do. So why wouldn't he?

 

[Deleted member]

Because Pokémon anatomy =/= real animal anatomy on default.

EDIT: Aside from that, I don't recall cats in general walking on two feet.

 

[Pacack]

Does Meowth even have claws on his feet?

Since declawing a Meowth would probably be frowned upon, I imagine he has four paws full of claws.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I'm so glad he chose Jigglypuff, Meowth would have been so boring.

 

[BKupa666]

I bet Meowth at least wouldn't constantly be on users' personal cut lists if he were the three game veteran rather than Jigglypuff. If there's one dark horse Pokemon character that gets in, my money is on him. And yet it's not, because he's not happening this late into the series.

To address God Robert's Cousin's comment, I think we're fortunate enough that most of the popular, important characters left over could easily rival any of the characters you listed in sheer uniqueness. The question becomes, once they're out of the way, how much longer do you keep setting your standards for popularity and importance lower and lower before branching out more?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

There isn't much one can do with claws compared to a sword, that is a notion I agree on.

Look at Marth for example, you can see him swinging his sword back and forth with ease in the air, perform a series of quick strikes with high accuracy for an effective combo, and use it to block for an effective counter attack.

I think the length and strength of typical claws would limit their range and capabilties, though that's just me. I can't really see a character like Meowth or Dillion being able to use claws very effectively in the air or for Smash attacks, not to mention being able to do so in ways that keep their moveset interesting.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

ah a fine meowth discussion, though there really isn't much to say, other than Jigglypuff kind of stole his spot and that he has a ever dwindling chance of making it in, though if he does, it would be nice

There's more you can do with a sword than you can do with a set of claws without going overkill and/or still remain interesting.
EDIT: Not even Wolf uses his claws for everything.
EDIT2: Which actually reminds me; Wolf's fighting style also would get in the way of Meowth; he already fills the niche Meowth would.

did you guys really think I was going to leave a wolf reference alone

 

[IsmaR]

I'm so glad he chose Jigglypuff, Meowth would have been so boring.

 

[SchAlternate]

I'm so glad he chose Jigglypuff, Meowth would have been so boring.

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK HE IS!?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Actually there was an episode in the anime where Meowth (along with a female Meowth which he was in love with) stood on all fours, like real cats. Though that isn't saying too much..

Also, new avatar. (for now) What do you all think?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK HE IS!?

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Billy McBlanderson

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Also, new avatar. (for now) What do you all think?

Terrible. Just like you.

 

[ChronoBound]

I am curious if there is an expectation that we will be getting another character confirmation next week.

Here are possible dates that could coincide with a character confirmation:

Newcomers:
Toad (Super Mario 3D World release)
Little Mac (Punch-Out anniversary)
Rosalina (Super Mario 3D World release)

Veterans:
Zelda (A Link Between Worlds release)
Diddy Kong (Donkey Kong Country 2 anniversary)
Captain Falcon (F-Zero anniversary)

I think a veteran confirmation is far more likely. It might be possible we get Falcon next week because there is really no other better time to confirm him (contrast that with Diddy Kong who could be used to promote Tropical Freeze, and Zelda who could be used to promote A Link Between Worlds's Japanese release next month).

 

[YoshiandToad]

I'd have to go with Falcon too, Chrono. I know Marth's thrown a wrench in the works, but it's the best time to release old Cap if they want a meaningful date.

A secondary veteran seems likely to be revealed this month, but I'd probably guess it'd only be one more.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

So I was browsing stuff on the internet and ended up exploring the PSABR wiki, and found some fan rosters in the files section.

First one is a SSB4 prediction made by User: Gabriel Rock.

Look who's using the recency...uh...what's the word? Recency argument? Recency clause? Can someone help me? :anime sweat drop:
I like that Red wasn't replaced by the Kalos Trainer, though.

Next are fakes of a SSB/PSABR crossover which look quite nice. Posted by User: LeeHatake93

Main problem is that Toon Link and Lucario are alt costumes. Boo!

Last is another SSB/PSABR roster, made by DarKingdomHearts:

I must say that I like this one, as it has every veteran from Smash (including the removed Melee characters), and has Ridley, Shulk, Sora, Cloud, Crash, and Spyro.
It also has the planned PSABR characters and a few playable Minions.
Krystal has a scary **** face.

So yeah, post your thoughts, critique, etc.
I'm probably gonna get in trouble for posting these without their permission, but oh well.

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[MasterOfKnees]

I'd have to go with Falcon too, Chrono. I know Marth's thrown a wrench in the works, but it's the best time to release old Cap if they want a meaningful date.

A secondary veteran seems likely to be revealed this month, but I'd probably guess it'd only be one more.

Captain Falcon could be revealed, and if he is, Zelda is probably saved for the Japanese release of ALBW in December, which would make it all even out. So yeah, I hope that'll be the case, but I'm expecting Zelda, and then for Sakurai to either throw in a random character in December, or reveal newcomers in a Direct (which he could also do in January if we want to go the "halfway to E3" route.)