Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[LoneKonWolf]

whelp, for me its coming to a close, I got some studies in the morning, so I will have to say goodbye, I wish you the best of luck mates, for all your troubles

also remember:

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[YoshiandToad]

Have we managed to go more than three days without a Chrom Vs. Roy debate in this thread?

 

[AEMehr]

Chrom vs Roy debates have always seemed to be just people asking you to pick your poison to me.
I don't mind a third Fire Emblem character being added to the mix, the franchise is certainly worthing of having three characters in Smash. I've just kinda grown to the concept that a Fire Emblem character doesn't focus solely on a sword would probably be the best decision in the long run.

Gotta have that diversity people want, you know?
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EDIT: So Smashboards won't let me make posts, so I'm going to quote a post made after this original post.
Gotta live dangerously in these conditions, you know?

@Ariand/AEM

I do agree with the sentiments here. It's why despite being a Roy supporter, I'm pretty open to the inclusion of Awakening's Robin, who in terms of sheer ability to be different from past FE characters trumps both Roy and Chrom rather spectacularly.
I'm sure both sides of the argument can at least agree that Robin is the most unique option that is (semi)likely to occur.

Agreed.
I'm fine with either of them still, granted that they would be mostly unique in comparison to Marth and Ike (cue Hotfeet shamelessly promoting his Chrom moveset video). But I still think that they would still most likely feel like Marth and Ike, despite having a potential unique moveset (Especially for Chrom, considering his sword-handling technique appears to be a mix of Marth's and Ike's from what I've gathered).

In b4 Roy supporters call me a traitor and Chrom supporters point out the lance.

But when it comes to Chrom supporters pointing out the lance, why would it matter? What is Chrom depicted wielding in pretty much every piece of artwork for Awakening? The Falchion.
What would Chrom most likely be using if he was made playable in Smash Brothers? The Falchion, obviously. It's what he's known to have in his possession (Marth being his ancestor and all).

 

[Depressed Gengar]

We kinda had one last night...

 

[YoshiandToad]

@Ariand/AEM

I do agree with the sentiments here. It's why despite being a Roy supporter, I'm pretty open to the inclusion of Awakening's Robin, who in terms of sheer ability to be different from past FE characters trumps both Roy and Chrom rather spectacularly.
I'm sure both sides of the argument can at least agree that Robin is the most unique option that is (semi)likely to occur.

In b4 Roy supporters call me a traitor and Chrom supporters point out the lance.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

People say Roy is more recognizable than Chrom because he was in a Smash Bros. game. Well then put Chrom is this installment of Smash Bros. and he'll be more recognizable than Roy.

I know this was posted 2 pages back, but I still feel the need to respond.

I don't think you can just put whatever random character you want into Smash and expect them to become popular. I mean, of the "fallen five", Mewtwo and Roy are the only ones who see any significant numbers of requests. Pichu and Doc have some supporters, but their support is incredibly niche. And Young Link is pretty much completely forgotten.

Let's not forget Lucario, who received significant backlash due to being perceived as replacing Mewtwo.(note that I'm not saying he did, just that a lot of people seem to think he did and resent him for it).

So no, getting into Smash isn't a one-way ticket to popularity. Depending on what character was included and the circumstances surrounding their inclusion, your mileage may vary.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

http://www.nintendonews.com/2013/11/nintendo-direct-coming-tomorrow-november-13th/

So yeah, there's a Nintendo Direct tommorow.

It's kind of odd, since we've just gotten Marth, and I'm kind of wondering why they didn't just wait a few days before showing Marth then. Maybe we will see something, since we've gotten a veteran each general Direct, but I'm not keeping my expectations up. If anyone though, I'm betting Pokémon Trainer, since the X & Y soundtrack is out tommorow and Origins is soon out in America too.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

My most latest roster. Feel free to tear it apart. I feel comfortable with it.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I agree with you, Wariofan, even if I would rather Jigglypuff be the one to be revealed, if the was going to be a reveal.

I know this was posted 2 pages back, but I still feel the need to respond.

I don't think you can just put whatever random character you want into Smash and expect them to become popular. I mean, of the "fallen five", Mewtwo and Roy are the only ones who see any significant numbers of requests. Pichu and Doc have some supporters, but their support is incredibly niche. And Young Link is pretty much completely forgotten.

Let's not forget Lucario, who received significant backlash due to being perceived as replacing Mewtwo.(note that I'm not saying he did, just that a lot of people seem to think he did and resent him for it).

So no, getting into Smash isn't a one-way ticket to popularity. Depending on what character was included and the circumstances surrounding their inclusion, your mileage may vary.

He said recognizable, not popular.

 

[?????????????]

My most latest roster. Feel free to tear it apart. I feel comfortable with it.

I like it a lot. The one thing that bugs me is that, at this point, it looks like (if I got this right) the ONLY veteran you are not returning from Brawl is Snake.

I don't know your personal feelings on Snake himself, but between all of your "new series" characters, I think you have the room for him.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Nintendo Direct tomorrow about the 3DS http://mynintendonews.com/2013/11/12/nintendo-direct-coming-on-wednesday/

Not sure if it means anything, but it should be interesting.

EDIT: Ninja'd

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Oh hai there, Miss Man Jaw.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

http://www.nintendonews.com/2013/11/nintendo-direct-coming-tomorrow-november-13th/

So yeah, there's a Nintendo Direct tommorow.

It's kind of odd, since we've just gotten Marth, and I'm kind of wondering why they didn't just wait a few days before showing Marth then. Maybe we will see something, since we've gotten a veteran each general Direct, but I'm not keeping my expectations up. If anyone though, I'm betting Pokémon Trainer, since the X & Y soundtrack is out tommorow and Origins is soon out in America too.

You ninja'd me . I'm watching you

Anyway, I think we just might get Zelda tomorrow if she is to correlate with ALBW. But that's a big maybe.

I'm not going to hold my breathe, but this could have the potential to be a big month. Marth, potential character tomorrow, and then we still have F-Zero's anniversary date. Next month may be even bigger if they have a trailer in a direct (which i'm banking on it because it makes perfect sense)

 

[MasterOfKnees]

My most latest roster. Feel free to tear it apart. I feel comfortable with it.

Mach Rider AND Takamaru seems a bit odd, I don't think we're going to get 2 Retros/WTF characters this time around (Mach Rider counts as both I'm sure), so I feel it's either Takamaru or Mach Rider. 49 characters (including Mii) is probably a bit much too, 15 newcomers included, Sakurai has kind of been hinting we're getting less than usual, and this isn't much less than usual.

I'm also not keen on Snake getting cut, there's a good chunk of other characters I see getting cut before Snake, mostly because it's safe to assume Sakurai has the rights to work with Snake, since he stated no characters had been cut by June/July. When you have those rights, you don't just back-off mid-development, he's likely of pretty high priority because of that.

Only other thing I find a little iffy is how the roster is setup. It's basically just an extended Brawl roster, which is a tad boring and I don't see Sakurai repeating himself like that. Shaking things up in those regards is always nice.

Otherwise it seems all good to me. The Big Four (Lil' Mac, Palutena, K. Rool & Ridley) are here, and there are very little cuts (I think Snake is the only one?). You also have the whole leak, which is nice. I also do enjoy the inclusion of Isaac and Shulk, people say it's one or the other, but I feel that they differ enough from each other to warrant a slot each. 5 Pokés, 3 DKs and 3 FEs are nice, and they are of the right choices too. I also like that it isn't too safe, sure it has many of the usual choices, but it evens it out with the likes of Takamaru, Mach Rider, Isaac, Shulk who are by no means unlikely, but I feel that they do fall kind of in-between in terms of likelihood.

All in all I'd enjoy this roster A LOT.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Mach Rider AND Takamaru seems a bit odd, I don't think we're going to get 2 Retros/WTF characters this time around (Mach Rider counts as both I'm sure), so I feel it's either Takamaru or Mach Rider. 49 characters (including Mii) is probably a bit much too, but there's no way to know for sure yet.

I took both Melee and Brawl into affect. We technically had two characters that were apart of Nintendo's history appear (Ice Climbers and MGW, Pit and ROB). I felt that Takamaru and Mach Rider could appear side by side due to this.

I do agree my roster is a bit on the crowded side. However, I personally don't believe that the 3DS will limit the roster in any way. It may affect the roster (difficulty programming) but that is not limiting. I think its plausible to get 45+ characters for SSB4.

I'm also not keen on Snake getting cut, there's a good chunk of other characters I see getting cut before Snake, mostly because it's safe to assume Sakurai has the rights to work with Snake, since he stated no characters had been cut by June/July. When you have those rights, you don't just back-off mid-development, he's likely of pretty high priority because of that.

This is also an answer to pizzadudemanguy. Leaving out Snake leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It was more of a personal call. While I love me some Snake, I only want three 3rd party characters. I feel Snake could easily be a Brawl-only guest character. Plus, I feel that if I restrict it to only 3 characters, a Namco rep is fairly likely. Though I'd prefer Snake over Pac any day. I may add Snake back in.

Only other thing I find a little iffy is how the roster is setup. It's basically just an extended Brawl roster, which is a tad boring and I don't see Sakurai repeating himself like that. Shaking things up in those regards is always nice.

I'm a bit confused. How is it like Brawl? Are you referring to the set up and organization?

Otherwise it seems all good to me. The Big Four (Lil' Mac, Palutena, K. Rool & Ridley) are here, and there are very little cuts (I think Snake is the only one?). You also have the whole leak, which is nice. I also do enjoy the inclusion of Isaac and Shulk, people say it's one or the other, but I feel that they differ enough from each other to warrant a slot each. 5 Pokés, 3 DKs and 3 FEs are nice, and they are of the right choices too. I also like that it isn't too safe, sure it has many of the usual choices, but it evens it out with the likes of Takamaru, Mach Rider, Isaac, Shulk who are by no means unlikely, but I feel that they do fall kind of in-between in terms of likelihood.

All in all I'd enjoy this roster A LOT.

Thanks! Ill be changing it soon but its the one I feel most comfortable and happy with.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Have we managed to go more than three days without a Chrom Vs. Roy debate in this thread?

The more this goes on, the more Pac Man stares into everyone's souls.

 

[splat]

I took both Melee and Brawl into affect. We technically had two characters that were apart of Nintendo's history appear (Ice Climbers and MGW, Pit and ROB). I felt that Takamaru and Mach Rider could appear side by side due to this.

First off, I think your roster is pretty good, it's very similar to mine - almost identical, yours just has two more characters plus one different pick - but this is a point I don't really agree with.
Mr. Game and Watch and ROB were hardware characters, Ice Climbers and Pit were retro characters.
Takamaru and Mach Rider both are retro characters, while you have two hardware characters in your roster as well, with Mii and Wii Fit Trainer. In a sense, you have double the amount of characters that represent Nintendo's history.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I took both Melee and Brawl into affect. We technically had two characters that were apart of Nintendo's history appear (Ice Climbers and MGW, Pit and ROB). I felt that Takamaru and Mach Rider could appear side by side due to this.

I do agree my roster is a bit on the crowded side. However, I personally don't believe that the 3DS will limit the roster in any way. It may affect the roster (difficulty programming) but that is not limiting. I think its plausible to get 45+ characters for SSB4.

This is also an answer to pizzadudemanguy. Leaving out Snake leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It was more of a personal call. While I love me some Snake, I only want three 3rd party characters. I feel Snake could easily be a Brawl-only guest character. Plus, I feel that if I restrict it to only 3 characters, a Namco rep is fairly likely. Though I'd prefer Snake over Pac any day. I may add Snake back in.

I'm a bit confused. How is it like Brawl? Are you referring to the set up and organization?

Yeah, in terms of organization. Like, the whole top row really just had Pit added, but it's really just still the Brawl top row. Try and experiment a little with it.

I don't think it's because of the 3DS we might get fewer newcomers, but Sakurai did say that it's good to limit the amount of newcomers because of balancing. Not only that, but you gotta take into account that from Melee to Brawl they had to bring back 25 character, but ended up cutting 5 of them, but in turn also got in 15 newcomers (not including transformations). This time, they've gotta try and bring back those 35 characters, but also bring in newcomers at the same time. I just don't see it possible to bring back so many characters AND add the same amount of characters that Brawl introduced. Though SSE doesn't take away development time this time. That's at least my view on things.

As for the Snake part, I do have to say that I see Pac-Man being of higher priority than Snake too, but that doesn't mean Snake won't make it back. I see four 3rd parties as very viable, though that's up to preferences of course.

 

[BluePikmin11]

You ninja'd me . I'm watching you

Anyway, I think we just might get Zelda tomorrow if she is to correlate with ALBW. But that's a big maybe.

I'm not going to hold my breathe, but this could have the potential to be a big month. Marth, potential character tomorrow, and then we still have F-Zero's anniversary date. Next month may be even bigger if they have a trailer in a direct (which i'm banking on it because it makes perfect sense)

Wow you expect a character?
I expect a clone, maybe Falco.

 

[TopTierPichu]

It said early 3DS games, I thought smash was coming out later in the year

 

[?????????????]

This is also an answer to pizzadudemanguy. Leaving out Snake leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It was more of a personal call. While I love me some Snake, I only want three 3rd party characters. I feel Snake could easily be a Brawl-only guest character. Plus, I feel that if I restrict it to only 3 characters, a Namco rep is fairly likely. Though I'd prefer Snake over Pac any day. I may add Snake back in.

I made a similar call in my own roster to only have three 3rd Party Characters, but the thing that helped me justify Snake more was Sakurai's quote that Namco won't get "special priority" for a 3rd Party Character.

To me, that means it's possible, but not any more likely than a Snake return. And I like Snake MUCH more than Pac-Man.

...The only other thing that bugs me even a little is that there are more Pokemon characters than Mario characters. However, I don't think that's too much of a stretch to make a fuss about, especially if you yourself feel comfortable with it.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Wow you expect a character?
I expect a clone, maybe Falco.

I wouldn't say expect. I think the potential is there. There really isn't much to work with if you're trying to say that clones will be revealed after other characters. Toon Link was revealed in correlation with Wind Waker HD. There have been no other clones besides Luigi, who was revealed with Dream Team. Clones have nothing to do with it if you ask me. Granted, if there is some sort of announcement in regards to Kirby or something, then we could get Meta Knight or DDD.

It said early 3DS games, I thought smash was coming out later in the year

Right, but they could still reveal a character in correlation with another game. They did that with Luigi and M&L: Dream Team.

EDIT: Also i'd like to mention that priority means nothing when it comes to 3rd parties. Either they are in, or they aren't. Pac-Man won't have priority over Snake, or vice versa. But they WILL have priority over everybody else.

 

[BluePikmin11]

My most latest roster. Feel free to tear it apart. I feel comfortable with it.

Neat roster, but I feel there are better retros to add than Mach Rider, like Lip or Balloon Fighter.

I wouldn't say expect. I think the potential is there. There really isn't much to work with if you're trying to say that clones will be revealed after other characters. Toon Link was revealed in correlation with Wind Waker HD. There have been no other clones besides Luigi, who was revealed with Dream Team. Clones have nothing to do with it if you ask me. Granted, if there is some sort of announcement in regards to Kirby or something, then we could get Meta Knight or DDD.



Right, but they could still reveal a character in correlation with another game. They did that with Luigi and M&L: Dream Team.

EDIT: Also i'd like to mention that priority means nothing when it comes to 3rd parties. Either they are in, or they aren't. Pac-Man won't have priority over Snake, or vice versa. But they WILL have priority over everybody else.

He could randomly reveal Falco to advertise Starfox 64 3D on a 3DS direct.

 

[YoshiandToad]

The more this goes on, the more Pac Man stares into everyone's souls.

Is that why he see's nothing but ghosts everywhere?

 

[SmasherMaster]

I don't think that we'll get another character reveal tomorrow. I mean, Marth's Challenger Approaching sign is still there.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I don't think that we'll get another character reveal tomorrow. I mean, Marth's Challenger Approaching sign is still there.

I'm pretty sure its happened before. Though, I forget with who.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'm pretty sure its happened before. Though, I forget with who.

Pretty sure it was Toon Link and Sonic.

 

[Knight Dude]

Didn't we just get Marth a couple days ago? I think we can wait a week or two more for another character to show up. I just hope for some interesting images to pop up. Not necessarily characters, but maybe something added or changed to a characters moveset.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Didn't we just get Marth a couple days ago? I think we can wait a week or two more for another character to show up. I just hope for some interesting images to pop up. Not necessarily characters, but maybe something added or changed to a characters moveset.

We're just making the prediction based on the fact that we've seen Luigi and Sonic get revealed in Directs before, and I think it would make a lot of sense to show Zelda or something. I think if we get Zelda though, that that would be it for the month, and I wouldn't necessarily mind that.

I just am hoping that next month we get newcomers in the end of year of Nintendo Direct, which will likely be taking a look at 2014 releases, which obviously includes Smash Bros.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Hit me up, dawg. Numbah be on da side.

I added you, but I guess I should've let you know mine is on the side as well.

 

[AEMehr]

I feel that some form of Smash information will be found in this Nintendo Direct, I mean we got Sonic a week after Toon Link right?
We'll see what happens with that challenger approaching sign tonight. Best case scenario is that it disappears and we'll get a REAL pic of the day later.

 

[Deleted member]

Could be Zelda, could be Yoshi, could be someone else entirely, could be no one.

Let's make a game of it like we did with the release of X/Y.

 

[?????????????]

They might show off Yoshi's New Island. Yoshi confirmation would be...nice.

 

[Pacack]

They're going to be releasing something about the new Kirby game...so maybe we'll get King Dedede or Meta Knight.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

They're going to be releasing something about the new Kirby game...so maybe we'll get King Dedede or Meta Knight.

Is it confirmed they'll talk about the Kirby game? I'm so hyped for it. Bonus points if Meta Knight or Dedede is revealed, I'm going to **** my pants then.

Didn't we just get Marth a couple days ago? I think we can wait a week or two more for another character to show up. I just hope for some interesting images to pop up. Not necessarily characters, but maybe something added or changed to a characters moveset.

The odd thing is that, since Sakurai would know that a Nintendo Direct would come this soon, why wouldn't he just save Marth for it? Or another character which fits the bill of what they're going to talk about? That's the one thing that keeps me intrigued.

 

[Pacack]

Is it confirmed they'll talk about the Kirby game? I'm so hyped for it. Bonus points if Meta Knight or Dedede is revealed, I'm going to **** my pants then.

I'm terribly sorry. I read that link wrong. It was a guess by the source.

Here's all that was said by the PR release:
"Visit www.nintendo.com/nintendo-direct tomorrow, November 13 at 8 a.m. PT/11 a.m. ET for a Nintendo Direct with new details and information about previously announced Nintendo 3DS software launching through early 2014."

So no. Nevermind. Still a possibility, though.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Is it confirmed they'll talk about the Kirby game? I'm so hyped for it. Bonus points if Meta Knight or Dedede is revealed, I'm going to **** my pants then.



The odd thing is that, since Sakurai would know that a Nintendo Direct would come this soon, why wouldn't he just save Marth for it? Or another character which fits the bill of what they're going to talk about? That's the one thing that keeps me intrigued.

The thing about Marth is that there wouldn't have been an opportunity to reveal him in the Direct, assuming there isn't anything about Fire Emblem. It would make sense to reveal a character that would be more relevant to the topics covered in the Direct.

 

[ChronoBound]

There is A LOT of anniversaries and releases next week to coincide with a newcomer/veteran:

Releases:
Super Mario 3D World (Toad)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds (Zelda)

Anniversaries:
Diddy Kong (Donkey Kong Country 2 anniversary)
Captain Falcon (F-Zero anniversary)
Little Mac (Punch-Out anniversary)

I am very skeptical on a newcomer happening, but I do think next week would be a good time to confirm the Captain.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I'm terribly sorry. I read that link wrong. It was a guess by the source.

Here's all that was said by the PR release:
"Visit www.nintendo.com/nintendo-direct tomorrow, November 13 at 8 a.m. PT/11 a.m. ET for a Nintendo Direct with new details and information about previously announced Nintendo 3DS software launching through early 2014."

So no. Nevermind. Still a possibility, though.

Ah, no worries man. But you said it, it's still very much a possibility.

The thing about Marth is that there wouldn't have been an opportunity to reveal him in the Direct, assuming there isn't anything about Fire Emblem. It would make sense to reveal a character that would be more relevant to the topics covered in the Direct.

And that's why I'm wondering, why not hold Marth back for another month then and just wait for the Direct that'd come in a few days to give the spotlight to another character? Why not reveal Zelda instead if they plan on talking about ALBW. Why not reveal Yoshi instead if they plan on talking about Yoshi's New Island? Why not reveal Dedede if they plan on talking about Kirby? Why not reveal Pokémon Tra-oh you get the idea. That's just what I'm wondering, why reveal a character so shortly before the Direct which has no relevance to upcoming games whatsoever if they could just wait a few days until the Direct and make a much more timely reveal for a character who promotes a game, in that way it'd also get out to more people than just randomly revealing Marth on the site. I think it's worth a thought at least.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Ah, no worries man. But you said it, it's still very much a possibility.



And that's why I'm wondering, why not hold Marth back for another month then and just wait for the Direct that'd come in a few days to give the spotlight to another character? Why not reveal Zelda instead if they plan on talking about ALBW. Why not reveal Yoshi instead if they plan on talking about Yoshi's New Island? Why not reveal Dedede if they plan on talking about Kirby? Why not reveal Pokémon Tra-oh you get the idea. That's just what I'm wondering, why reveal a character so shortly before the Direct which has no relevance to upcoming games whatsoever if sakurai could just wait a few days until the Direct and make a much more timely reveal for a character who promotes a game, in that way it'd also get out to more people than just randomly revealing Marth on the site. I think it's worth a thought at least.

I gotcha. However, I don't care. I just want more characters. Sakurai owes us after that month hiatus