Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Seraphim.]

inb4 Robin gets in over Roy and Chrom

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

People say Roy is more recognizable than Chrom because he was in a Smash Bros. game. Well then put Chrom is this installment of Smash Bros. and he'll be more recognizable than Roy.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

I like Roy, but honestly, I still don't see the grounds where he gets in over Chrom in SSB4.

Maybe Roy is a more popular character. Maybe he would be more unique. But I don't think that accounts for everything. I think it is just as important to think of the games themselves.

I mean, what about Brawl? Sure, Ike was popular and all, and I don't know about you, but I heard a lot more fans asking for Lyn than for Ike. She might have been more popular. She might have even been more unique (though I'm not taking anything away from Ike in that regard. Dude's awesome).

What about Lucas' inclusion? Yes, he himself is a generally well-liked character, but doesn't his inclusion have SOMETHING to do with the release of MOTHER 3 as well?

Even if Roy IS a more popular character (which I'm still not convinced of), Fire Emblem Awakening was a huge game. Even if you want to say "it can be represented just as well through stages/ATs," even if you want to call this a "recency argument," I seriously doubt Awakening will be overlooked, ESPECIALLY in the face of a character who has not had a major role since before Brawl.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and Roy's fine. I just don't see how he is anywhere NEAR the obvious choice.

first point, awakening is not being overlooked:

there is a stage already representing fire emblem awakening (fernix arena, I believe is what its being called) while I'm not saying that this will be the only representation from awakening, they are defiantly not overlooking it,
second point, I don't believe that Roy is the more obvious character, I mean a week ago, everybody thought Chrom was, everybody is just taking sides like usual, imagine it something like k. rool vs Dixie, but on a smaller scale,
personally like I said before, all I want is ike to return, I couldn't care which of these two get in, but I felt like correcting a few of your points

 

[3Bismyname]

People say Roy is more recognizable than Chrom because he was in a Smash Bros. game. Well then put Chrom is this installment of Smash Bros. and he'll be more recognizable than Roy.

ur putting a troll face but u do have a point.

 

[?????????????]

first point, awakening is not being overlooked:

there is a stage already representing fire emblem awakening (fernix arena, I believe is what its being called) while I'm not saying that this will be the only representation from awakening, they are defiantly not overlooking it,
second point, I don't believe that Roy is the more obvious character, I mean a week ago, everybody thought Chrom was, everybody is just taking sides like usual, imagine it something like k. rool vs Dixie, but on a smaller scale,
personally like I said before, all I want is ike to return, I couldn't care which of these two get in, but I felt like correcting a few of your points

Yeah. Marth and Ike make the most sense. With the "overlooked" thing, I mainly meant from a playable character standpoint, since I already mentioned stages. It'd be like having New Pork City, but no Lucas.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Before I start, you can't claim Roy is more recognizable than Chrom just because of a Smash game. There is really no strong enough basis to say that alone is what made him more iconic and that the actual game wouldn't have had or didn't have anything to do with it.

Maybe Roy is a more popular character. Maybe he would be more unique. But I don't think that accounts for everything. I think it is just as important to think of the games themselves.

Are we representing Fire Emblem titles or characters? Ike was pretty much suggested to Sakurai for being highly requested. Before that Sakurai wasn't sure who to add.

I mean, what about Brawl? Sure, Ike was popular and all, and I don't know about you, but I heard a lot more fans asking for Lyn than for Ike.

Lyn wasn't competing with someone who had an amount of importance that rivaled her.

What about Lucas' inclusion? Yes, he himself is a generally well-liked character, but doesn't his inclusion have SOMETHING to do with the release of MOTHER 3 as well?

Doesn't Mario's appearance have SOMETHING to do with the Super Mario series?

Even if Roy IS a more popular character (which I'm still not convinced of)

It's true. He is. It's not too ambiguous.

Fire Emblem Awakening was a huge game. Even if you want to say "it can be represented just as well through stages/ATs," even if you want to call this a "recency argument," I seriously doubt Awakening will be overlooked, ESPECIALLY in the face of a character who has not had a major role since before Brawl.

Ike hasn't had a major role since Brawl. Let's replace him with Chrom and get rid of Captain Falcon too. Which is it? The Fire Emblem character whi's GAME had more sales, or the Fire Emblem character who has more requests and is more memorable. It's hard to believe that Sakurai would consider Chrom, a fairly generic character, when he didn't even plan to have Ike until IS suggested him due to requests, something Roy has the upper hand in against a character with just as much importance in the Fire Emblem series.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and Roy's fine. I just don't see how he is anywhere NEAR the obvious choice.

I detect some bias here. If not, just a not very bright statement.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Dixie Kool For Smash!

Queen Q. Dixie

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

shouldn't be in because he's a ginger. Therefore all gingers are evil and have no souls, which is why true Fire Emblem fans (not those who enjoyed him in Melee) hate him with a passion.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I like Roy, but honestly, I still don't see the grounds where he gets in over Chrom in SSB4.

Maybe Roy is a more popular character. Maybe he would be more unique. But I don't think that accounts for everything. I think it is just as important to think of the games themselves.

I mean, what about Brawl? Sure, Ike was popular and all, and I don't know about you, but I heard a lot more fans asking for Lyn than for Ike. She might have been more popular. She might have even been more unique (though I'm not taking anything away from Ike in that regard. Dude's awesome).

What about Lucas' inclusion? Yes, he himself is a generally well-liked character, but doesn't his inclusion have SOMETHING to do with the release of MOTHER 3 as well?

Even if Roy IS a more popular character (which I'm still not convinced of), Fire Emblem Awakening was a huge game. Even if you want to say "it can be represented just as well through stages/ATs," even if you want to call this a "recency argument," I seriously doubt Awakening will be overlooked, ESPECIALLY in the face of a character who has not had a major role since before Brawl.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and Roy's fine. I just don't see how he is anywhere NEAR the obvious choice.

I'm not sure if their were alot more fans of Lyn than Ike, I do know however that they were alot louder than the Ike supporters though, being even louder than the Anti-Ridleyians we have now. But Ike was one of the top choices though.

With Lucas, he was also a heavily requested character too, and he probably got in because he was supposed to be in Melee, but Mother 3 didn't come out yet. So, of course it has something to do with Mother 3.

If you need proof on Roy's popularity, just look at Shortie's poll. I also think he's the 2nd most wanted character in Japan.

Awakening is certainly not being overlooked now, as we have the stage and Marth's facial features look alot like his Awakening one.

I don't think anyone is saying that Roy's the obvious choice as it's a big race between Roy and Chrom, however, I think in the best scenario we should have Marth, Ike, Roy, and Robin.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

first point, awakening is not being overlooked:

there is a stage already representing fire emblem awakening (fernix arena, I believe is what its being called) while I'm not saying that this will be the only representation from awakening, they are defiantly not overlooking it,

I don't believe anyone claimed they were overlooking it. But, I don't see how this is anymore supportive of Chrom than Skyloft is of Giriham.

It'd be like having New Pork City, but no Lucas.

Doesn't seem any weirder than Ness appearing in New Pork City instead of Onnet in Classic Mode or about as weird as having Great Bay with no Skull Kid.

 

[3Bismyname]

Before I start, you can't claim Roy is more recognizable than Chrom just because of a Smash game. There is really no strong enough basis to say that alone is what made him more iconic and that the actual game wouldn't have had or didn't have anything to do with it.

well considering that Smash played a big role in Roys game, the series itself really, receiving international release, i'd say that's a strong basis for Smash' influence on Roys popularity.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

well considering that Smash played a big role in Roys game, the series itself really, ever received international release, i'd say that's a strong basis for Smash' influence on Roys popularity.

It had a strong influence on him. My point is that you can't claim there would be no superior influence to Chrom without Melee.

 

[3Bismyname]

I don't believe anyone claimed they were overlooking it. But, I don't see how this is anymore supportive of Chrom than Skyloft is of Giriham.



Doesn't seem any weirder than Ness appearing in New Pork City instead of Onnet in Classic Mode or about as weird as having Great Bay with no Skull Kid.

those Zelda examples don't work as they still have a character in Smash to represent those games. u know he's got green clothes, pointed ears, regularly appears left handed with one exception.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

those Zelda examples don't work as they still have a character in Smash to represent those games. u know he's got green clothes, pointed ears, regularly appears left handed with one exception.

The reasons you give me as to why this supports Chrom and not other characters seem oddly specific.

 

[Opossum]

Explain what more he has/can have that makes him ore his potential superior to what Roy has/can have?

More options, in my opinion. For example, two different alternating playstyles (ie, switching between the Falchion and Spear for different attacks) allows for more variety in his moveset, while Roy only has his Sword of Seals to work with. You still need to swing the sword to make the fire. Chrom, however, has the advantage of having more obvious things to pull from, due to possessing two weapons with different styles of play.

Well who wields the "iconic" stamp? First of all why does it matter what made Roy iconic? And how do you know he was iconic or would only be iconic because of his appearance in Melee? Even without Melee it's likely he still would have had more requests and popularity.

I highly doubt it. Take Hector, for example. Often cited as an amazing Fire Emblem character, but gets little to no Smash requests, as it would be a fruitless effort. Why would they add him years later, when his popularity waned? With Roy, he still has the popularity because he made it in when the moment was right for him. If Chrom were to get in, it would be the same deal.

You're comparing Fire Emblem criteria to Donkey Kong criteria. Different franchises like Pokemon and Fire Emblem have different criteria.

I never remember Sakurai saying that Fire Emblem had different criteria. Pokemon, yes, but not Fire Emblem.

I don't think it's opinion that more people like Roy than Chrom. Like saying it's opinion that more people like Pikachu than Klefki

What I'm saying is that it's a fruitless comparison. Roy has had more time to gain that love, while Chrom has had less than a year or so (well, about a year and a few months in Japan, if we're getting technical, haha).

...and while that last part is true, I wish it were opposite. Klefki's awesome. One of my favorites.

Both characters fit Clone criteria. However, Roy has Fire (which actually has it's own affect in some attacks) and can use his fire to have his own attacks. You can argue that Chrom has a lance and wields his sword differently, just like you can argue Roy has fire and can wield his sword differently.

And while this is true, it still doesn't explain why you seem to write off Chrom as not being unique, while he has just as much, if not more, to work with than Roy does.

Appearing in something as appose to not appearing in something still makes you more recurring. DLC still counts as an "appearance". It doesn't really matter how much significance it has, it's still an extra appearance as apposed to not an extra appearance.

But what I'm saying is that being recurring doesn't really matter. It was never a revealed criteria that Sakurai uses. And in an RPG series like Fire Emblem that has a fluid cast, it really doesn't matter too much.

Good thing Roy has more popularity and more potential to be unique. So again, Roy has the upper hand.

Once again, you contradict yourself. Above, you say,

Both characters fit Clone criteria. However, Roy has Fire (which actually has it's own affect in some attacks) and can use his fire to have his own attacks. You can argue that Chrom has a lance and wields his sword differently, just like you can argue Roy has fire and can wield his sword differently.

Implying both can easily be made unique, which I agree with. But then you flip right back to the "Roy has more potential to be unique," which in my opinion, is baseless, when Chrom has yet to appear in Smash, and when Roy did, he was a clone.

Yes. And Fire Emblem fans have plenty of reason to. And even if it was just because of Melee, it still makes him more remembered. Why does it matter WHAT made him more remembered?

I think you missed my point. What I'm saying is, Roy would have likely become another Hector, Lyn or Sigurd if he had not been in Melee. People would have stopped requesting him for Smash, as they'd know that his time has passed, as cool as he was, and would become more of a pipe dream than a realistic idea. But being a Smash veteran made him stick out more as an important character in the series, and give him a popularity boost. What I'm saying is that this could easily happen to Chrom, as well, separating him from the "other Fire Emblem characters."

I guess so. But, even without Smash Roy has just as much importance. It's "any other Fire Emblem character" VS "any other Fire Emblem character". How do we choose?

In this case, it's a decision beyond our control, and more toward Sakurai's. Personally, I think he'd go for whichever offers a fun and unique playstyle, which I personally see Chrom providing easier than I see Roy providing. Both could be fun, definitely. I just think that Chrom can offer more, as he can be an archetype that Smash hasn't had yet, and that is a stance-switching character (note, this isn't the same as a transformation. These are faster, and in general change how certain moves work [fitting, as Fire Emblem has you select your units and weapons to fit the situation], as opposed to creating a whole second moveset), switching from being durable and forceful, to being lighter and having more reach, at the expense of some power.

But, he's not. So I don't see how that's relevant.

I think I explained what I was getting at better in the above explanations.

Thanks, dude

No problem!

 

[?????????????]

Are we representing Fire Emblem titles or characters? Ike was pretty much suggested to Sakurai for being highly requested. Before that Sakurai wasn't sure who to add.

Both, I think. Why would we care about characters if we didn't care about games?

Lyn wasn't competing with someone who had an amount of importance that rivaled her.

Both Chrom and Roy are lords, I see no reason that is any less of a rival.

Doesn't Mario's appearance have SOMETHING to do with the Super Mario series?

Exactly.

Ike hasn't had a major role since Brawl. Let's replace him with Chrom and get rid of Captain Falcon too. Which is it? The Fire Emblem character whi's GAME had more sales, or the Fire Emblem character who has more requests and is more memorable. It's hard to believe that Sakurai would consider Chrom, a fairly generic character, when he didn't even plan to have Ike until IS suggested him due to requests, something Roy has the upper hand in against a character with just as much importance in the Fire Emblem series.

This statement confuses me:

Where does Captain Falcon amount into this? He's in a completely different position. You might as well mention Ice Climbers too.

Please don't throw in Chrom being "fairly generic"; THAT'S biased.

I have no idea where IS stands on this issue, and I doubt any of us do. Maybe THEY would promote Awakening as well. Maybe they're planning an FE6 remake. What the hell do we know?

I detect some bias here. If not, just a not very bright statement.

If there's any bias, it's that I think Awakening was a much bigger game, and I think that does amount to more right now than a reintroduction of Roy. That's an easily arguable opinion.

Doesn't seem any weirder than Ness appearing in New Pork City instead of Onnet in Classic Mode or about as weird as having Great Bay with no Skull Kid.

Link is playable.

 

[3Bismyname]

The reasons you give me as to why this supports Chrom and not other characters seem oddly specific.

im not advocating Chrom here. im just saying ur example was poor as those levels are represented by a character who appears in that game. a better one would be something like say how Brawl had an Animal Crossing stage but no characters. see what im getting at?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

If only Habanero were here to make this Fire Emblem argument more entertaining.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So... Ignoring the pointless FE debate.... (Roy and Chrom are both good choices and whatever one you pick depends on what positives you value more).

I'm gonna post this.

It's a moveset I made for Isaac a while ago. I was wondering what you guys thought of it.

[collapse="Isaac Moveset"] Isaac Moveset

Stats
Size: 5
Same as his size in Brawl.

Weight: 6
Slightly above normal. He's heavy as the earth he controls... Plus he's wearing a breastplate. That's kinda heavy.

Speed: 5
Normal speed. He's not fast but he doesn't need it.

Air Speed: 3
Pretty bad. Then again, Isaac is not meant to be in the air. He's a Venus adapt.

Fall Speed: 8
He falls like a rock. Natural for an Earth adapt.

Jump: 5
His initial jump is a lot better than most would expect. For it, Isaac would use the earth to launch him upward. However his midair jump is quite atrocious. He is definitely meant to be a grounded character.

Traction: 9
Among the best in the game. He is affected by ice though. Unlike .

Throwing: 8
Isaac using Catch Psyenergy has great throwing range and decent power as well!

Reach: 7
Many of Isaac's attacks are actually psyenergy attacks. This gives him more range than most. The moves that aren't Psyengery are sword swipes which also have decent range.

Jab Combo
A: Isaac does a quick horizontal slice.
A,A: After the initial attack Isaac slices in the opposite direction.

Dash Attack
Isaac runs forward and sticks out his sword skewering his opponents (at least the animation looks like it)on it and sending them flying.

Tilts
F-Tilt: Isaac stretches out his hand and commands a rock to rise up in front of him, hitting the enemy.
U-Tilt: Isaac stands still and does a light stab upwards.
D-Tilt: Isaac crouches and performs a downward angled stab.

Aerials

N-Air: Isaac retracts his arms and legs as small rocks orbit around him. This is a multihit attack.
F-Air: Isaac swings his sword and does a full spin around. This can hit up to two times in the same attack if the position is right.
U-Air: Isaac throws some crystal powder upwards which causes an icy explosion on contact. Can freeze enemies at certain percentages.
B-Air: Isaac hits the opponent with his shoulder and follows up by throwing an oil drop in their face. This is a small explosion on hit. A decent kill move if both hit.
D-Air: Isaac causes a small boulder to form in his hands and throws it downward. This rock will fall straight down for a while similar to Megaman's Hard Knuckle. However this does not meteor smash and should be used as a sort of projectile instead.

Smashes
F-Smash: Isaac performs his famous leaping attack. This is his attack animation from the Golden Sun games and its pretty similar to Toon Link's F-Smash in Project M.
U-Smash: Isaac clenches his hands as the ground on either side of him starts to shake. After charging Isaac turns his palms upward as sand flies around above him. A small whirlwhind of sand appears above him and will suck enemies in (kinda like Pikachu's D-Smash). The attack ends as a small sandsplosion happens to knock enemies away. This is a multihit attack.
D-Smash: Isaac kneels on one knee and clenches his fists. After charging he stands up as the two sections of earth next to him shake a bit. If this hits, the enemy will sink into the ground as if they were hit by a Pitfall. Isaac is then free to do what he wants as they are burried.

Throws
Isaac's psyenergy hand comes out for his throws! His grab animation is him sending out the psyengery hand to grab people. It is a ranged grab, but it cannot do anything in the air. While grabbing/pummeling/throwing the opponent, Isaac will mimic the movements of the giant hand with his own hand (or the giant hand is mimicing Isaac's hand )
Pummel: The hand will squeeze the opponent.
F-Throw: The hand will lightly throw the opponent forward and follow up with Force Psyenergy to really send them flying!
U-Throw: The hand will throw the opponent upwards with an underhand throw.
B-Throw: The hand throws the opponent up slightly and swats them away behind Isaac.
D-Throw: The hand throws the opponent at the ground and follows up with a Pound Psyenergy!

Specials
N-Special: Isaac casts move! Isaac holds out his hand and has the familar hand from Brawl come out. It acts exactly the same, though it's 1/3 the size and 1/3 the range.
S-Special: Isaac casts vine. Isaac puts his hands on the ground as a small section of the ground lights up. It moves if you hold down the button. The longer you hold it down, the longer it goes. When you release the button, vines pop out of the ground where the light was. It's kinda of like a ground based version if Din's Fire if that makes sense. This does not work in the air.
U-Special: Isaac performs retreat. Isaac teleports as a bunch of rainbow like jewels forms around him causing small damage with little knockback. The same jewels appear where he appears.
D-Special: Isaac casts Quake. Isaac thrusts his sword in the earth while two pillars of earth come up on each side in a ripple effect, launching players up. Kind of like the animation for quake in GS. I hope that makes sense.... This also cannot be used in the air. Isaac is meant to be ground based.

Final Smash: JUDGEMENT!!!
Isaac lifts his hand up to the sky and yells "Come! Judgement!" as Judgement flies into the background. He'll charge up a blast for about five seconds. While this is happening Isaac is still vulnerable to enemy attacks. After five seconds Judgement will fire the blast at the center of the stage creating a circular blast about 7/8 of Final Destination's length. The blast lasts for 3 seconds. This attack does high knockback and high damage.

Other Attacks
Ledge Attack: Isaac grips the end of the stage and has a small pillar erupt from the ground right in front of him. He then climbs up.
Over 100%: Isaac struggles to get on the ledge and swings his sword as he gets up.

Floor Attack: Isaac opens his eyes and smiles as two stalagmites erupt from the ground on both sides of him. He then gets up casually.

Entrance
Isaac beams down using Retreat and unsheathes his sword.

Taunts
U-Taunt: Isaac looks at the screen and makes the

emoticon.
S-Taunt: A Djinn jumps out of Isaac with a flash of light. It runs around Isaac while Isaac laughs. The Djinn then jumps back into Isaac as it "sets" itself.
D-Taunt: Isaac uses his psyenergy to have some rocks orbit around him. He smiles as they all fall to the ground.

Idle Animation
If you wait long enough. Isaac will look at the screen and make the

emoticon.

Victory Animations
1. Isaac sheathes his sword and does a small arm pump while light shines from his hand.
2. A Djinn jumps out of Isaac and faces him. Isaac kneels down and pets him.
3. Isaac crosses his arms and chuckles as the

emoticon appears.

Kirby Hat
Kirby gains Isaac's golden hair and his move ability.[/collapse]

 

[TheLastJinjo]

More options, in my opinion. For example, two different alternating playstyles (ie, switching between the Falchion and Spear for different attacks) allows for more variety in his moveset, while Roy only has his Sword of Seals to work with. You still need to swing the sword to make the fire. Chrom, however, has the advantage of having more obvious things to pull from, due to possessing two weapons with different styles of play.

And Sakurai would likely recognize this as much as he recognized the other PSI powers from the MOTHER series.

I highly doubt it. Take Hector, for example. Often cited as an amazing Fire Emblem character, but gets little to no Smash requests, as it would be a fruitless effort. Why would they add him years later, when his popularity waned? With Roy, he still has the popularity because he made it in when the moment was right for him. If Chrom were to get in, it would be the same deal.

We're comparing Hector who has little to no requests, to Roy has many requests. Is this your defense to Roy not having popularity if not for Melee, because his mom (Lyn) objects to that.

I never remember Sakurai saying that Fire Emblem had different criteria. Pokemon, yes, but not Fire Emblem.

Characters added only for more requests and being more unique? I recall other franchises having more criteria outside of that.

What I'm saying is that it's a fruitless comparison. Roy has had more time to gain that love, while Chrom has had less than a year or so (well, about a year and a few months in Japan, if we're getting technical, haha).

Well, why is this not a fair comparison. That's the point I'm making. Roy has gained more love. I mean you can't really ask me to not point out that Bowser Jr is more likely and gained more love than Baby Bowser because it's fruitless comparison..

...and while that last part is true, I wish it were opposite. Klefki's awesome. One of my favorites.

You sicko

And while this is true, it still doesn't explain why you seem to write off Chrom as not being unique, while he has just as much, if not more, to work with than Roy does.

Saying he has more to work with than Roy is debatable. You can do just as much with Fire as you can with a shard on a stick. Chrom not neing unique is simply my opinion.

Implying both can easily be made unique, which I agree with. But then you flip right back to the "Roy has more potential to be unique," which in my opinion, is baseless, when Chrom has yet to appear in Smash, and when Roy did, he was a clone.

If I said both can be unique than why can't I say that one would simply be MORE unique? And you saying Roy will be a clone when he has yet to appear in Smash 4 is just the same as me saying Chrom will when looking from their games after their release they have just as much to work from and neither have appeared in Smash 4 yet. I say Chrom likely wouldn't be unique based off the patterns of Sakurai's "Clone criteria" which is usually cloning characters with extreme similarities. In which case he might not even consider Chrom's lance like you and I would.

I think you missed my point. What I'm saying is, Roy would have likely become another Hector, Lyn or Sigurd

Lyn is a bad example there, she had more requests than Ike. And Chrom will likely become another one of these too.

if he had not been in Melee. People would have stopped requesting him for Smash

Prove this. Again, Lyn was more requested than Ike.

as they'd know that his time has passed, as cool as he was, and would become more of a pipe dream than a realistic idea

I'm gonna go ahead and say that's bull crap. And besides, doesn't this excuse work for Ike as well? Why are we even talking in hypothetical? Roy had the Melee appearance. I'm really not interested in pretending what it would be like if he didn't as it's irrelevant to this conversation

But being a Smash veteran made him stick out more as an important character in the series, and give him a popularity boost. What I'm saying is that this could easily happen to Chrom, as well, separating him from the "other Fire Emblem characters."

It could, but we shouldn't add Chrom because we assume he MIGHT become popular. Adding him to make him popular seems like recency/commercialism and it works as well to support ANY Fire Emblem character in the entire series.[/quote]

 

[?????????????]

If only Habanero were here to make this Fire Emblem argument more entertaining.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

We're comparing Hector who has little to no requests, to Roy has many requests. Is this your defense to Roy not having popularity if not for Melee, because his mom (Ninian) objects to that.

Fix'd.[/quote]

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Might not even be too unfair to say Lyn could get in over Chrom

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Chrom has blue hair, that makes him more important. Look at Marth and Ike, they both have blue hair and they're considered the most important Fire Emblem characters.

 

[FlareHabanero]

If only Habanero were here to make this Fire Emblem argument more entertaining.

Can't, too busy eating black hearts in Sonic: Lost World.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

It could, but we shouldn't add Chrom because we assume he MIGHT become popular. Adding him to make him popular seems like recency/commercialism and it works as well to support ANY Fire Emblem character in the entire series.

Isn't that exactly what Sakurai did with Roy?

I mean his game wasn't even released at the time for crying out loud.

Saturn, I agree on your stance but some of your logic is a bit backwards.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I'd say corn and rye's chances are about even, its up to sakurai to decide whether to go with a familiar face or go with the new guy. lint's however is possibly lower, and this is coming from a avid supporter(she has a better shot at PM then smash 4). Nice moveset btw swamp.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Isn't that exactly what Sakurai did with Roy?

I mean his game wasn't even released at the time for crying out loud.

Saturn, I agree on your stance but some of your logic is a bit backwards.

Roy was added because of his uniqueness as apposed to Leif. So no he was not added for commercialism. My logic is not backwards. It's completely in order.

Why would Sakurai add a character in his own game for the sole reason of advertising something that isn't his own franchise with a character who's existence hasn't even yet been made aware?

 

[Sobreviviente]

JUDGEMENT!!!

Not sure if judgement is the most iconic summon, i was thinking maybe in eclipse (basically the same) or atlanta (rain of light arrows)? those three would be excellent anyways.
My personal choise will be daedalus because of the last missile consecuences, but i dont have hopes on it.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Roy was added because of his uniqueness as apposed to Leif. So no he was not added for commercialism. My logic is not backwards. It's completely in order.

Why would Sakurai add a character in his own game for the sole reason of advertising something that isn't his own franchise with a character who's existence hasn't even yet been made aware?

A clone isn't unique, sakurai wanted a clone at that time and he choose roy cause teh ph1re. it was a promotional thing dude.

 

[Chandeelure]

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Roy was added because of his uniqueness as apposed to Leif. So no he was not added for commercialism. My logic is not backwards. It's completely in order.

Chrom wouldn't be added for commercialism either.

Especially not commercialism for a year old game. I haven't been following the debate very closely, but why do you insist that Chrom would be added due to advertising?

If Chrom was added, he would be added because he's a popular request or IS suggested him (like they did with Ike).

Why would Sakurai add a character in his own game for the sole reason of advertising something that isn't his own franchise with a character who's existence hasn't even yet been made aware?

Chrom's existence hasn't been made aware?

What?

 

[Seraphim.]

Roy was added because of his uniqueness as apposed to Leif. So no he was not added for commercialism. My logic is not backwards. It's completely in order.

Why would Sakurai add a character in his own game for the sole reason of advertising something that isn't his own franchise with a character who's existence hasn't even yet been made aware?

Yes Roy was added because Sakurai felt his ability to use fire would make him a good Marth clone, but he was also added to advertise FE6. however since Sakurai tried to bring Roy into Brawl he must see him more as an advertisement. I wouldn't be surprised if he has thought about adding Roy in Smash 4 since he seems to be trying to bring back Mewtwo as well.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

I don't believe anyone claimed they were overlooking it. But, I don't see how this is anymore supportive of Chrom than Skyloft is of Giriham.

I never said anyone claimed that they were overlooking it, nor did I say it was in support of Chrom, I just said that that Nintendo is not overlooking fire emblem awakening.
you need to stop overthinking everybody's posts mate

 

[3Bismyname]

Chrom's existence hasn't been made aware?

What?

pretty sure he was referring to Roy there in past tense.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

I wish everyone would listen to this post now, please

 

[FlareHabanero]

It would seem the peaceful days of tending my garden will have to wait while I take care of these matters the rest of you cannot.

At this point it's a rather pointless debate because neither character are going to provide much, It's rather asinine that people are going out of their way to have these silly debates that is overall going to lead to the same scenario. A character is simply there and provides little to a franchise that should provide a lot more. It's like trying to pick between a honeycrisp apple and gala apple, who the **** cares it's still a bloody apple regardless. Don't know why one would magically be better then the other if they are going to be on par with each other either way. What, because one has fire? Please.

 

[3Bismyname]

It would seem the peaceful days of tending my garden will have to wait while I take care of these matters the rest of you cannot.

At this point it's a rather pointless debate because neither character are going to provide much, It's rather asinine that people are going out of their way to have these silly debates that is overall going to lead to the same scenario. A character is simply there and provides little to a franchise that should provide a lot more. It's like trying to pick between a honeycrisp apple and gala apple, who the **** cares it's still a bloody apple regardless. Don't know why one would magically be better then the other if they are going to be on par with each other either way. What, because one has fire? Please.

but I like honcrisp apples . theyre my favorite

 

[Autumn ♫]

It would seem the peaceful days of tending my garden will have to wait while I take care of these matters the rest of you cannot.

At this point it's a rather pointless debate because neither character are going to provide much, It's rather asinine that people are going out of their way to have these silly debates that is overall going to lead to the same scenario. A character is simply there and provides little to a franchise that should provide a lot more. It's like trying to pick between a honeycrisp apple and gala apple, who the **** cares it's still a bloody apple regardless. Don't know why one would magically be better then the other if they are going to be on par with each other either way. What, because one has fire? Please.

I'd like to see an apple on fire...

 

[Sobreviviente]

Chrom will be the obvius chooise anyways, that would make happy some folks only...
BUT ROY hehe Roy is our boy and you cant deny how awesome that would be, if roy is, also chrom and of course ike will be, so lets support roy and everybody will be happy.