Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

This is pretty much why people need to be more specific about which Roy they're referring to. But I guess if you're referring to the Koopaling, you'd be saying "Roy Koopa" instead.

Or you could just assume they aren't crazy and are not actually referring to Roy Koopa.

 

[Morbi]

This is pretty much why people need to be more specific about which Roy they're referring to. But I guess if you're referring to the Koopaling, you'd be saying "Roy Koopa" instead.

I just naturally assume they mean Roy from Fire Emblem.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Oh Malleo don't leave I was just getting started!

First Mario and Luigi, now Malleo and Weegee?

 

[Louie G.]

So have Ike's. Better remove him.

Now you've got it!

 

[3Bismyname]

Or you could just assume they aren't crazy and are not actually referring to Roy Koopa.

but Koopaling Roy is the best character EVA

 

[XStarWarriorX]

First Mario and Luigi, now Malleo and Weegee?

Yes.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

First Mario and Luigi, now Malleo and Weegee?

Those versions of the bros can suck my meatballs!

 

[Louie G.]

A rivalry of the bros has started.
Mario Bros vs Malleo Bros.
Obviously Mario Bros are better.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Yes.

All hell breaks loose.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

A rivalry of the bros has started.

Obviously Mario Bros are better.

That rivalry ended pretty quickly

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

but Koopaling Roy is the best character EVA

 

[Depressed Gengar]

... Screw this. Someone get me a K. Rool pic.

 

[3Bismyname]

god that sound quality was awful. I appreciate the sentiment tho

 

[Chandeelure]

... Screw this. Someone get me a K. Rool pic.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I just naturally assume they mean Roy from Fire Emblem.

Still, it doesn't hurt to be more specific. But when you think it over, you can't have Roy Koopa without the other six Koopalings, so it would just be wrong if only one of them were playable. At least Bowser Jr. is beyond the Koopalings, so he's still a highly valid contender.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

So have Ike's. Better remove him.You do realize it's likely a matter of time before Chrom's game has come and gone so why is he more special?

You seem to be trying to change my position from "potential and glory is more dynamic when the lord is current" to "current lords are all we need, get rid of the old ones". Look at them carefully, they do not say the same thing.
That's something people try to do a lot here, because they can then throw the perspective that the recency argument makes you dumber than a sack of bricks at you.

So what makes chrom special in respect to potential popularity?
1.Has not appeared in smash thus being exposed to the larger fanbase (what I said before)
2.IS may or may not be done with him. Its not unreasonable to think that we might see more of chrom or ylisse in future insallments.

Which is one of the reasons why I don't think Chrom will be in Smash 4

If thats still true, then you have a double standard, as that should also be a reason why Roy isn't returning. That would mean you would expect a FE14 rep (which might end up still being a FE13 rep).

 

[XStarWarriorX]

... Screw this. Someone get me a K. Rool pic.

Good good....., my secret mission of making you change your avatar is nearly complete....

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Really? Are you serious?

 

[?????????????]

... Screw this. Someone get me a K. Rool pic.

 

[Louie G.]

They were smart to give up.
Lou Albano was a professional wrestler.
And Danny Wells is pretty darn cool.

 

[Opossum]

Look at it this way

Roy and Chrom have only appeared in one Fire Emblem title. What does Chrom have that Roy doesn't.

Multiple weapons, for one thing.

He actually has less than Roy.

Personally, I disagree.

Roy is a more iconic,

Depends on who you ask, really. I'd argue that Chrom could be considered just as iconic, due to the fact that he's been in an actual international FE game which garnered much acclaim worldwide, and when the sales are factored in, many people know of Chrom. Therefore, he, too, is something of an icon. Sure, Roy is an icon as well, due to his Melee appearance. Although, it's not exactly "iconic" in that sense. His moves are pretty much Marth's, but with fire and poorer hit boxes.

requested,

this is true, but both are highly requested, you know. Off-topic, but II'm genuinely curious. If the requests meant that much to you, personally, why do you include Dixie over K. Rool on your rosters? Both are definitely requested, but K. Rool is much more so.

beloved,

Debatable, as this relies on the individual's opinion.

and unique Fire Emblem character

Completely incorrect. How can you say that Roy is more unique when Chrom has never been in Smash, and when Roy was, he was a Marth clone?

and technically has had more appearances in the gaming universe (Melee, Awakening DLC,).

Which doesn't matter, really. The series has a fluid cast, and Chrom was the latest main character. Awakening's DLC had pretty much all of the past lords, so I don't really see how that's in Roy's favor. Chrom wasn't even thought of when Melee came out...this point seems rather moot.

He even had a prequel starring his direct identical relative which became the first international Fire Emblem.

True, but that really means nothing for Roy himself. It was Eliwood's game, after all. Roy got a cameo in the ending, and that's about it, if I remember correctly.

Roy was added over Leif in Melee because he was more unique (contrary to the popular belief that Sakurai ever mentioned recency had anything to do with it.).

This is true.

And Ike was added in Smash for being highly requested and having several appearances.

While the first part is true, the last part is false. Nowhere was it mentioned that having multiple appearances influenced Ike's playability. Sakurai didn't know who to add, and IS requested Ike, since he proved to be pretty damn popular.

So we know Sakurai has added Fire Emblem characters for being more unique and more requested/appearing.

The appearance thing is, again, false.

I don't see the point in having Chrom over Roy. Muh recency and Muh sales does not sound like Sakurai's criteria.

You're right, they don't. Good thing Chrom doesn't need that since he's popular and has the potential to be unique.

Why not add the character Fire Emblem fans are more familiar with, desire more, and has more potential and glory in the Nintendo universe? Advertisements? Adding a generic character who might as well just be any old Fire Emblem character years from now?

As far as that last bit, let's be honest. Would anyone really remember Roy, for example, if he wasn't in Melee? Or Marth, if he also wasn't as recurring in the series? Honestly, if the character gets into Smash, they sort of transcend to the higher plane than "any other Fire Emblem character." The boost in popularity from Smash pretty much seems like it cemented Roy and Ike's place in Fire Emblem. However, if, for example, Leif was chosen over Roy in Melee, Roy would more than likely be "just another Fire Emblem character." Getting the fanbase from both series generally sets the Fire Emblem characters in Smash apart from the others, in my opinion.


Also, just saying, I prefer the second roster of yours, since it has Starfy. In fact, I really like the second roster. The only things I'd personally change is K. Rool over Dixie and Chrom over Roy, but at least the two you chose make good alternatives.

 

[BluePikmin11]

You seem to be trying to change my position from "potential and glory is more dynamic when the lord is current" to "current lords are all we need, get rid of the old ones". Look at them carefully, they do not say the same thing.
That's something people try to do a lot here, because they can then throw the perspective that the recency argument makes you dumber than a sack of bricks at you.

So what makes chrom special in respect to potential popularity?
1.Has not appeared in smash thus being exposed to the larger fanbase (what I said before)
2.IS may or may not be done with him. Its not unreasonable to think that we might see more of chrom or ylisse in future insallments.


If thats still true, then you have a double standard, as that should also be a reason why Roy isn't returning. That would mean you would expect a FE14 rep (which might end up still being a FE13 rep).

Chrom is obviously in the Shin Megami Tensei x FE Crossover, so they are definitely not done with Chrom yet.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

A rivalry of the bros has started.
Mario Bros vs Malleo Bros.
Obviously Mario Bros are better.

so Saturn and louie are Mario bros,
while shadow and zero are malleo bros,
where the H*** does that leave the rest of us?
the spectators?
(and now something revelation topic)
well now its my opinion on fire emblem, personal I'm not part of the Roy side or the Chrom side, in my opinion they are both choices that can be added to the game, all I want from fire emblem is marth (my main, already confirmed) and ike (my second fire emblem game, also one of my favorite, brothers main) so as long as ike gets in, I don't care who is the third rep is

 

[Autumn ♫]

Chrom is obviously in the Shin Megami Tensei x FE Crossover, so they are definitely not done with Chrom yet.

That's kind of like saying they aren't done with every other Lord...

 

[Morbi]

so Saturn and louie are Mario bros,
while shadow and zero are malleo bros,
where the H*** does that leave the rest of us?
the spectators?
(and now something revelation topic)
well now its my opinion on fire emblem, personal I'm not part of the Roy side or the Chrom side, in my opinion they are both choices that can be added to the game, all I want from fire emblem is marth (my main, already confirmed) and ike (my second fire emblem game, also one of my favorite, brothers main) so as long as ike gets in, I don't care who is the third rep is

I am a Jigglypuff.

That's kind of like saying they aren't done with every other Lord...

Maybe they aren't?! I see Chrom because "muh recency".

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Obviously Mama Luigi Bros are better.

Fixed.

Sorry, had to get in on the whole "old Mario cartoon" stuffs.

 

[Seraphim.]

Chrom is obviously in the Shin Megami Tensei x FE Crossover, so they are definitely not done with Chrom yet.

As well as every other lord....

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

Chrom is obviously in the Shin Megami Tensei x FE Crossover, so they are definitely not done with Chrom yet.

Unfortunately, I heard they cancelled that
(could be wrong though)

 

[LoneKonWolf]

I am a Jigglypuff.

whelp, that wasn't the most obvious thing in the world

 

[XStarWarriorX]

Unfortunately, I heard they cancelled that
(could be wrong though)

What? where did you hear this? omg you better not be trolling k.g.

 

[3Bismyname]

Unfortunately, I heard they cancelled that
(could be wrong though)

it was most likely put on hold when Atlus was being bought up. but there hasn't been an official cancellation announcement yet.

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

What? where did you hear this? omg you better not be trolling k.g.

I forgot where I reddit exactly, but like I said, it may have not been a credible source.
Let's hope the dream is still alive.

 

[TumblrFamous]

...There's a lot of people in this thread. Anyone have any changes to their roster?

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I forgot where I reddit exactly, but like I said, it may have not been a credible source.
Let's hope the dream is still alive.

Damn it, that game is one of the reasons i'll get an ambulance noise. dang it sega..... yeah let's hope that epic crossover is still alive.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Chrom is obviously in the Shin Megami Tensei x FE Crossover, so they are definitely not done with Chrom yet.

In the trailer they showed Marth and then they went past all of the lords and then zoomed in on Chrom and Lucina as if they were better than all the others. I wonder if that's hinting that they're going to play a more important role in the story than any of the of lords.

 

[3Bismyname]

In the trailer they showed Marth and then they went past all of the lords and then zoomed in on Chrom and Lucina as if they were better than all the others. I wonder if that's hinting that they're going to play a more important role in the story than any of the of lords.

my guess would be that while all the characters are playable, Chrom and Lucina probably kick the story off as far as Fire Emblem characters go.

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

my guess would be that while all the characters are playable, Chrom and Lucina probably kick the story off as far as Fire Emblem characters go.

Or it could just be subtle advertisement for the "new" game.

 

[?????????????]

I like Roy, but honestly, I still don't see the grounds where he gets in over Chrom in SSB4.

Maybe Roy is a more popular character. Maybe he would be more unique. But I don't think that accounts for everything. I think it is just as important to think of the games themselves.

I mean, what about Brawl? Sure, Ike was popular and all, and I don't know about you, but I heard a lot more fans asking for Lyn than for Ike. She might have been more popular. She might have even been more unique (though I'm not taking anything away from Ike in that regard. Dude's awesome).

What about Lucas' inclusion? Yes, he himself is a generally well-liked character, but doesn't his inclusion have SOMETHING to do with the release of MOTHER 3 as well?

Even if Roy IS a more popular character (which I'm still not convinced of), Fire Emblem Awakening was a huge game. Even if you want to say "it can be represented just as well through stages/ATs," even if you want to call this a "recency argument," I seriously doubt Awakening will be overlooked, ESPECIALLY in the face of a character who has not had a major role since before Brawl.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and Roy's fine. I just don't see how he is anywhere NEAR the obvious choice.

 

[SmasherMaster]

Dixie Kool For Smash!

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Multiple weapons, for one thing.
Personally, I disagree.

Explain what more he has/can have that makes him ore his potential superior to what Roy has/can have?

Sure, Roy is an icon as well, due to his Melee appearance. Although, it's not exactly "iconic" in that sense. His moves are pretty much Marth's, but with fire and poorer hit boxes.

Well who wields the "iconic" stamp? First of all why does it matter what made Roy iconic? And how do you know he was iconic or would only be iconic because of his appearance in Melee? Even without Melee it's likely he still would have had more requests and popularity. Lyn had more requests than Ike during Brawl apparently.

this is true, but both are highly requested, you know. Off-topic, but II'm genuinely curious. If the requests meant that much to you, personally, why do you include Dixie over K. Rool on your rosters? Both are definitely requested, but K. Rool is much more so.

You're comparing Fire Emblem criteria to Donkey Kong criteria. Different franchises like Pokemon and Fire Emblem have different criteria.

Debatable, as this relies on the individual's opinion.

I don't think it's opinion that more people like Roy than Chrom. Like saying it's opinion that more people like Pikachu than Klefki

Completely incorrect. How can you say that Roy is more unique when Chrom has never been in Smash, and when Roy was, he was a Marth clone?

Both characters fit Clone criteria. However, Roy has Fire (which actually has it's own affect in some attacks) and can use his fire to have his own attacks. You can argue that Chrom has a lance and wields his sword differently, just like you can argue Roy has fire and can wield his sword differently.

Which doesn't matter, really. The series has a fluid cast, and Chrom was the latest main character. Awakening's DLC had pretty much all of the past lords, so I don't really see how that's in Roy's favor. Chrom wasn't even thought of when Melee came out...this point seems rather moot.

Appearing in something as appose to not appearing in something still makes you more recurring. DLC still counts as an "appearance". It doesn't really matter how much significance it has, it's still an extra appearance as apposed to not an extra appearance.[/quote]

The appearance thing is still false

True, but the request thing isn't.

You're right, they don't. Good thing Chrom doesn't need that since he's popular and has the potential to be unique.

Good thing Roy has more popularity and more potential to be unique. So again, Roy has the upper hand.

As far as that last bit, let's be honest. Would anyone really remember Roy, for example, if he wasn't in Melee?

Yes. And Fire Emblem fans have plenty of reason to. And even if it was just because of Melee, it still makes him more remembered. Why does it matter WHAT made him more remembered?

Or Marth, if he also wasn't as recurring in the series? Honestly, if the character gets into Smash, they sort of transcend to the higher plane than "any other Fire Emblem character."

I guess so. But, even without Smash Roy has just as much importance. It's "any other Fire Emblem character" VS "any other Fire Emblem character". How do we choose?

However, if, for example, Leif was chosen over Roy in Melee, Roy would more than likely be "just another Fire Emblem character."

But, he's not. So I don't see how that's relevant.

Also, just saying, I prefer the second roster of yours, since it has Starfy. In fact, I really like the second roster. The only things I'd personally change is K. Rool over Dixie and Chrom over Roy, but at least the two you chose make good alternatives.

Thanks, dude