Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

Apparently all of the promotion Lucario got in recent years doesn't count all of a sudden.

Yeah, he's just one of over 700 Pokemon. Like Mr. Mime. No real significance

 

[?????????????]

There's a lot to consider with the Pokemon characters, and we all know it. Popularity, marketability, what's new, what's iconic, SSB veteranship, the fact there's over 700 of them, what Sakurai wants, what GameFreak wants, blah blah blah blah...

It's not nearly as cut-and-dried as any other franchise we consider. And none of those are easy to predict in the first place.

 

[BluePikmin11]

There's a lot to consider with the Pokemon characters, and we all know it. Popularity, marketability, what's new, what's iconic, SSB veteranship, the fact there's over 700 of them, what Sakurai wants, what GameFreak wants, blah blah blah blah...

It's not nearly as cut-and-dried as any other franchise we consider. And none of those are easy to predict in the first place.

I hope he looks into the 5th Generation and looks at Zoroark.
His illusion ability would offer alot of potential, Sakurai would probably consider him because of it.

 

[?????????????]

@pizzamandudeguy:
At this point, I'm feeling we'd get Robin/Avatar/My Unit/Tactician if we were to get a character from Awakening rather than Chrom.

I absolutely love the tactician for every reason you have said. I have no idea if the avatar is any more or less likely than Chrom, but I would be equally happy with either.

I hope he looks into the 5th Generation and looks at Zoroark.
His illusion ability would offer alot of potential, Sakurai would probably consider him because of it.

If he does or has already decided that he will look at the 5th gen, my money would be on Zoroark. I would highly enjoy that.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I hope he looks into the 5th Generation and looks at Zoroark.
His illusion ability would offer alot of potential, Sakurai would probably consider him because of it.

I fail to see potential in that ability, and Zoroark's time has passed on to Genesect.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I hope he looks into the 5th Generation and looks at Zoroark.
His illusion ability would offer alot of potential, Sakurai would probably consider him because of it.

Indeed, no matter what, I still support Zoroark, for SHE would make for a fun character who is still relevant today being available in X and Y.

 

[TumblrFamous]

There's a lot to consider with the Pokemon characters, and we all know it. Popularity, marketability, what's new, what's iconic, SSB veteranship, the fact there's over 700 of them, what Sakurai wants, what GameFreak wants, blah blah blah blah...

It's not nearly as cut-and-dried as any other franchise we consider. And none of those are easy to predict in the first place.

Pokemon is certainly one of the trickier ones. However, the five most people have on their rosters now are probably the most iconic out of any possible contender: the mascot, the main character, the posterchild that has been surging in popularity since its debut, the popular yet odd-ball one that was huge in Japan at the time, and the main, iconic legendary that appears in all the movies. However, Gamefreak could want something different for the lineup, which scares me a little.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Indeed, no matter what, I still support Zoroark, for SHE would make for a fun character who is still relevant today being available in X and Y.

I just want her to replace Lucario because she's cooler, has the Shadow Ball, and she's dark type. But, then again Genesect would be better.

 

[Gune]

Glorious manly marth in HD you can't even fathom how happy I am.

Edit: Zoroark doesent need to replace Lucario Saturn and he is waaaaay cooler megaevolution can attest to that.

 

[?????????????]

What would you have done with Pokemon in SSB if you had made it from scratch?

In the original, I would have had Pikachu and Meowth.

In Melee, I would have probably added Mewtwo and called it good.

In Brawl, I probably wouldn't have even thought of the Trainer idea. I'd probably stick in Lucario and call it good.

And then now? Guess I'd throw in Zoroark.

...I actually like that line-up. Don't think it'd actually happen though.

 

[ChronoBound]

@pizzamandudeguy:
At this point, I'm feeling we'd get Robin/Avatar/My Unit/Tactician if we were to get a character from Awakening rather than Chrom.
The feature of an avatar character was present in three games now:
-FE7, though it was only a Tactician of the playable Lord Trio that you could name.
-New Mystery of the Emblem, with a secondary main character that had been added to this remake as Marth's closest ally and the Hero of Shadow (while Marth is the Hero of Light).
-Awakening, with, well I don't have to explain that one.

Awakening's Avatar is a considerably popular (and important; may be even more important than Chrom himself) character, with the male version being the official 3rd most popular male in Awakening in Japan and the female being the 2nd most popular female character.
And as Wii Fit Trainer shows, we're not limited to just one set gender, so that issue doesn't apply.

It also helps that the Avatar has a lot to work with for the sake of uniqueness, to the point that the common argument for Chrom ("he doesn't offer anything new in comparison to Marth/Ike") doesn't apply either.

Yeah, I have a hunch Sakurai may end up going down this road if he wants to rep specifically FE13 and have something that contrasts more with what we have already seen in Smash Bros.

 

[McDuckletts]

I am actually! That's how Louie G. And I became friends, he reconized me! Oh and btw thanks for the warm welcomes everybody!

*ahem*

 

[TheLastJinjo]

However, Gamefreak could want something different for the lineup, which scares me a little.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I just want her to replace Lucario because she's cooler, has the Shadow Ball, and she's dark type. But, then again Genesect would be better.

I would still prefer Zoroark, her more agile and quick-based fighting style is more appealing to me than what most likely be that of a streamlined robot with pincer attacks and energy strikes.

The only way I'd accept Genesect is if its final Smash was akin to this:

 

[?????????????]

awesome picture

Is he waiting for the Meowth bus?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah, I have a hunch Sakurai may end up going down this road if he wants to rep specifically FE13 and have something that contrasts more with what we have already seen in Smash Bros.

I hope in with all the luck he picks Anna. She already contrasts from all the FE characters out in Smash Bros.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Yeah, I have a hunch Sakurai may end up going down this road if he wants to rep specifically FE13 and have something that contrasts more with what we have already seen in Smash Bros.

I don't think he cares what game he represents as much as what character he represents. And the most popular, iconic, and requested after Marth & Ike is Roy.

The only way I'd accept Genesect is if its final Smash was akin to this:

I imagine Self Destruct WOULD be his Final Smash.

 

[Fortanono]

What would you have done with Pokemon in SSB if you had made it from scratch?

In the original, I would have had Pikachu and Meowth.

In Melee, I would have probably added Mewtwo and called it good.

In Brawl, I probably wouldn't have even thought of the Trainer idea. I'd probably stick in Lucario and call it good.

And then now? Guess I'd throw in Zoroark.

...I actually like that line-up. Don't think it'd actually happen though.

Original: Pikachu and Meowth
Melee: Pikachu, Meowth, Mewtwo, Psyduck
Brawl: Pikachu, Meowth, Mewtwo, Sinnoh Trainer
SSB4: Pikachu, Mewtwo, Meowth, Sinnoh Trainer, Victini

 

[?????????????]

I don't think he cares what game he represents as much as what character he represents. And the most popular, iconic, and requested after Marth & Ike is Roy.

I don't know about that. I'm pretty darn sure no one requested Roy before his inclusion in Melee. He didn't exist.

...I dunno about you, but that sounds more like game promotion to me.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I don't know about that. I'm pretty darn sure no one requested Roy before his inclusion in Melee. He didn't exist.

...I dunno about you, but that sounds more like game promotion to me.

Flawed.

 

[FinalStarmen]

@pizzamandudeguy:
At this point, I'm feeling we'd get Robin/Avatar/My Unit/Tactician if we were to get a character from Awakening rather than Chrom.
The feature of an avatar character was present in three games now:
-FE7, though it was only a Tactician of the playable Lord Trio that you could name.
-New Mystery of the Emblem, with a secondary main character that had been added to this remake as Marth's closest ally and the Hero of Shadow (while Marth is the Hero of Light).
-Awakening, with, well I don't have to explain that one.

Awakening's Avatar is a considerably popular (and important; may be even more important than Chrom himself) character, with the male version being the official 3rd most popular male in Awakening in Japan and the female being the 2nd most popular female character.
And as Wii Fit Trainer shows, we're not limited to just one set gender, so that issue doesn't apply.

It also helps that the Avatar has a lot to work with for the sake of uniqueness, to the point that the common argument for Chrom ("he doesn't offer anything new in comparison to Marth/Ike") doesn't apply either.

Considerably good points made about the Avatar.

The only self-evident complication for the Avatar, however, is probably how the he/she ranks in popularity among character requests, especially in consideration to Chrom and definitely Roy. I almost fear Chrom would get in over the Avatar solely because the requests for the character are more-so noticeable.

Otherwise, hypothetically speaking, if we do get an Awakening character (and Roy sits this one out again), as you say, the Avatar would have more long-reaching range of possibilities to offer than Chrom does, and hopefully Sakurai would look into such inherently distinguishable traits, instead.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Here's my roster with updated Marth icon:

The four in the corner are DLC choices of mine.

The roster is 51 with transformations, but when you take out Sheik, ZSS, Ivysaur and Charizard, it turns into 47.

DK symbol is in place of Dixie or K.Rool. Fire Emblem icon is in place of Roy or Chrom.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't know about that. I'm pretty darn sure no one requested Roy before his inclusion in Melee. He didn't exist.

...I dunno about you, but that sounds more like game promotion to me.

Umm....I wasn't talking about back in 2000. Currently he's the most iconic, popular, and requested Fire Emblem character after Marth & Ike.

 

[Hotfeet444]

What would you have done with Pokemon in SSB if you had made it from scratch?

In the original, I would have had Pikachu and Meowth.

In Melee, I would have probably added Mewtwo and called it good.

In Brawl, I probably wouldn't have even thought of the Trainer idea. I'd probably stick in Lucario and call it good.

And then now? Guess I'd throw in Zoroark.

...I actually like that line-up. Don't think it'd actually happen though.

Quite simple really:

SSB64: Pikachu, Mewtwo
SSBM: Pikachu, Mewtwo, Eevee, Pokemon Trainer
SSBB: Pikachu, Mewtwo, Eevee, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario
SSB4: Pikachu, Mewtwo, Eevee, Pokemon Trainer, Zoroark

 

[BluePikmin11]

Here's my roster with updated Marth icon:

The four in the corner are DLC choices of mine.

The roster is 51 with transformations, but when you take out Sheik, ZSS, Ivysaur and Charizard, it turns into 47.

At least make Palutena move up to the main roster.
If Sakurai really doesn't consider her worthy inclusion with her noticeable popularity.

 

[Starcutter]

Here's my roster with updated Marth icon:

man that big sword icon would be way too overpowered.

 

[?????????????]

Umm....I wasn't talking about back in 2000. Currently he's the most iconic, popular, and requested Fire Emblem character after Marth & Ike.

I know, I know. I just meant as a general rule.

Theoretically...Lucario could fall into this same category. Mewtwo is still (I think) the more iconic character between him and Lucario, yet Lucario's in over Mewtwo in Brawl. Not to mention how Lucas was meant to replace Ness in Melee.

Popularity plays a part, but I think this shows that game promotion can also play just as big of a part.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Here's my roster with updated Marth icon:

The four in the corner are DLC choices of mine.

The roster is 51 with transformations, but when you take out Sheik, ZSS, Ivysaur and Charizard, it turns into 47.

DK symbol is in place of Dixie or K.Rool. Fire Emblem icon is in place of Roy or Chrom.

Really good roster. I'm a little dissapointed to see the placeholders, but hey. The only idea I'd say I don't like is the Mii. Pac-Man I'm indifferent. The rest I really like.

 

[Louie G.]

Hey guys, so I see you met my friend Giz...

 

[BluePikmin11]

Welp, never mind this post, I'm not reading well enough.

 

[?????????????]

Here's my roster with updated Marth icon:

The roster is 51 with transformations, but when you take out Sheik, ZSS, Ivysaur and Charizard, it turns into 47.

DK symbol is in place of Dixie or K.Rool. Fire Emblem icon is in place of Roy or Chrom.

I love the concept, it's fantastic (personally, I don't see the need for Palutena in the main roster, so that's fine).

I WOULD recommend you settle on a DK and FE character of your choice (we won't get mad! We've been very accepting recently. But you better pick K. Rool! ).

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Here's my roster with updated Marth icon:

The four in the corner are DLC choices of mine.

The roster is 51 with transformations, but when you take out Sheik, ZSS, Ivysaur and Charizard, it turns into 47.

DK symbol is in place of Dixie or K.Rool. Fire Emblem icon is in place of Roy or Chrom.

Just the usual roster, everyone here likes, good job.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

At least make Palutena move up to the main roster.
If Sakurai really doesn't consider her worthy inclusion with her noticeable popularity.

I don't really think Palutena is essential to be in the game. Uprising did well, but Kid Icarus is still a series with few installments, and not that large of an impact upon the industry.

Really good roster. I'm a little dissapointed to see the placeholders, but hey. The only idea I'd say I don't like is the Mii. Pac-Man I'm indifferent. The rest I really like.

I love the concept, it's fantastic (personally, I don't see the need for Palutena in the main roster, so that's fine).

I WOULD recommend you settle on a DK and FE character of your choice (we won't get mad! We've been very accepting recently. But you better pick K. Rool! ).

Thanks for the input guys. I can't really decide between Chrom and Roy anymore, but it's a definite K.Rool preference for me.

 

[Louie G.]

I don't really think Palutena is essential to be in the game. Uprising did well, but Kid Icarus is still a series with few installments, and not that large of an impact upon the industry.

Well, I guess Mother is the same, right?
Size isn't much of an issue for character representation.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I love the concept, it's fantastic (personally, I don't see the need for Palutena in the main roster, so that's fine).

I WOULD recommend you settle on a DK and FE character of your choice (we won't get mad! We've been very accepting recently. But you better pick K. Rool! ).

I say, to mediate between the two sides for FE, pick Robin.

As for DK, I'm fine with whoever... as long as it is Dixie.

 

[?????????????]

Thanks for the input guys. I can't really decide between Chrom and Roy anymore, but it's a definite K.Rool preference for me.

Me too...at least on the K. Rool part.

Chrom vs. Roy...I've said it just a bit ago, but I'll reiterate my stance. Unless a "Roy remake" game is announced, I'll put my favor into Chrom. If that DOES happen, I'll put my favor into Roy.

 

[Arcanir]

What would you have done with Pokemon in SSB if you had made it from scratch?

In the original, I would have had Pikachu and Meowth.

In Melee, I would have probably added Mewtwo and called it good.

In Brawl, I probably wouldn't have even thought of the Trainer idea. I'd probably stick in Lucario and call it good.

And then now? Guess I'd throw in Zoroark.

...I actually like that line-up. Don't think it'd actually happen though.

Smash: Pikachu, Jigglypuff
Melee: Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo
Brawl: Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Lucario
SSB4: Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Lucario, ??? (N, PT, etc. Not too sure here)

 

[?????????????]

Well, I guess Mother is the same, right?
Size isn't much of an issue for character representation.

Yes, BUT...

Pit still represents Kid Icarus Uprising. Ness does not represent Mother 3.

 

[YoshiandToad]

What would you have done with Pokemon in SSB if you had made it from scratch?

In the original, I would have had Pikachu and Meowth.

In Melee, I would have probably added Mewtwo and called it good.

In Brawl, I probably wouldn't have even thought of the Trainer idea. I'd probably stick in Lucario and call it good.

And then now? Guess I'd throw in Zoroark.

...I actually like that line-up. Don't think it'd actually happen though.

SSB64: Pikachu, Meowth
SSBM: Pikachu, Meowth, Mewtwo, Eevee
SSBB: Pikachu, Meowth, Mewtwo, Blaziken, Lucario

I'd probably throw Charizard the fans way for the 4th installment due to his insane popularity, but trainer would never of occured to me despite being obvious.

 

[Louie G.]

Yes, BUT...

Pit still represents Kid Icarus Uprising. Ness does not represent Mother 3.

But Palutena is the Zelda of the franchise, she's the titular character in Japan.
Her importance to the series is very large.
She also reps a popular new and noteworthy Nintendo game which can easily get away with 2 characters.