Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Characters that probably won't return from brawl
Lucario
R.O.B.
Ness
lucas
wolf
snake
g&w
Ice climbers
captain falcon
jiggly puff

I'm going to remain calm. Can you at least provide why you have these opinions?

 

[?????????????]

Well there is the big talk of his games being remade, and maybe he'll be one of the big characters marketed with Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem, it's all up in the air at this point.

Maybe. But I don't like to bring rumors into consideration.

 

[kingmario92]

Trolls and Marth.

Eh, what else is new, really

Jigglypuff is unlikely because she appeared 3 times, and anybody who's appeared in all Smash games is low priority. Embarrass

 

[Deleted member]

@FinalStarman:

 

[Hotfeet444]

Maybe. But I don't like to bring rumors into consideration.

Well I mainly bring it up as Roy may be put back in under the same circumstances he was originally put in under...for a game that has yet to be released. And above all that...I wonder what outfit they'd give him, seeing as Marth doesn't have his Awakening look. Though I will say that I think Roy's awakening design is his best design so far.

 

[FinalStarmen]

I'm going to remain calm. Can you at least provide why you have these opinions?

I believe he is gone.

...I wonder what outfit they'd give him, seeing as Marth doesn't have his Awakening look. Though I will say that I think Roy's awakening design is his best design so far.

If Roy does indeed return, it is a necessity he must acquire his Awakening redesign. It is an extraordinary aesthetic change welcomed greatly.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I think Chrom still has the edge. But I would not be opposed to Roy.

That's all I really care about, that nobody is really opposed to Roy. I guess I take this job too lightly sometimes, but I love it. Even if it's not really a job. Which reminds me that I should go get one so I can finally get a new computer.

 

[?????????????]

Well I mainly bring it up as Roy may be put back in under the same circumstances he was originally put in under...for a game that has yet to be released.

Maybe. But I, nor anyone else, have no way of anticipating that.

There could also be a new FE game we don't know about. Maybe the protagonist is named "Bartholomew," and Bartholomew is playable in SSB4.

Or maybe Mother 4 is in the works, and Zachary will be playable in SSB4.

 

[Chandeelure]

Hai. First and foremost, I would like to introduce my self. I am a friend of Louie G. He's been asking me for a while to get a smash boards so here I am I guess. We've been talking a lot about SSB4 predictions so I have a general outline of who I think will be in the next game. I'll probably be on a lot. Anyways, see ya around!

Hi new guy!
Do you like Bandana Dee? eh? EH?

 

[YoshiandToad]

If Roy does indeed return, it is a necessity he must acquire his Awakening redesign. It is an extraordinary aesthetic change welcomed greatly.

This. Oh so much. Roy's redesign was one of the few universally loved redesigns.

Incidentally if/when Ike returns, please for gods sake DON'T use his scrawny Awakening redesign.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Incidentally if/when Ike returns, please for gods sake DON'T use his scrawny Awakening redesign.

He's probably going to gain his design from Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. Which isn't a bad thing in the slightest, in fact it would only further contrast the concepts of Marth and Ike, one being elegant the other being rough.

 

[?????????????]

That's all I really care about, that nobody is really opposed to Roy.

I think that's a mutually exclusive feeling for anyone. Most of my Meowth videos were just about accepting Meowth as a possibility; I got comments that Meowth would be a HATED character to be in SSB.

Or heck, what about Ridley? If he IS confirmed, there's gonna be mop up "work" to do just to get him accepted to the general mass.

 

[Deleted member]

Has anyone here noticed that Peach now has the link to Super Mario 3D World's website under her profile?

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Incidentally if/when Ike returns, please for gods sake DON'T use his scrawny Awakening redesign.

BUT THE SWORD ARM

 

[TheLastJinjo]

We've already had this conversation, but...

I'd be fine with Roy for most of those reasons. The ones that don't make sense to me are the "first NA FE game" and "melee" things. Ike already won out over Eliwood, Lyn, or return of Roy after FE had been introduced internationally, and Roy was cut between Melee and Brawl, and has yet to do anything significant that makes him stand out as a potentially returning candidate.

I think Chrom still has the edge. But I would not be opposed to Roy.

Does it matter WHEN his significant doings happened? It's not going to matter a long time from now what Chrom did. Regardless of when it happened, it's more significant than Chrom.

Also, there is talk about a Roy remake so that leads me to believe Intelligent Systems realizes Roy is still the most popular lord after Marth and Ike. And that alone is enough.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Has anyone here noticed that Peach now has the link to Super Mario 3D World's website under her profile?

 

[Hotfeet444]

He's probably going to gain his design from Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. Which isn't a bad thing in the slightest, in fact it would only further contrast the concepts of Marth and Ike, one being elegant the other being rough.

Yes, in Radiant Dawn, Ike is the manliest of men...so Peach can go gawk over him while Mario, Link, Fox, Toon Link and now Marth can plan their revenge on the cheating mistress of the Mushroom Kingdom.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Has anyone here noticed that Peach now has the link to Super Mario 3D World's website under her profile?

Yup, this probably means Toad won't be used for promotion of the game.

 

[?????????????]

Does it matter WHEN his significant doings happened? It's not going to matter a long time from now what Chrom did. Regardless of when it happened, it's more significant than Chrom.

Also, there is talk about a Roy remake so that leads me to believe Intelligent Systems realizes Roy is still the most popular lord after Marth and Ike. And that alone is enough.

Well, whether or not what Roy did is more important is subjective. I would disagree, so it isn't universal.

I mentioned it just a little bit ago, but I won't take a rumor into consideration. The minute a Roy remake is officially announced, I will gladly put Roy in my roster in replacement of Chrom give Roy a hug and stroke his beautiful red hair.

 

[Chandeelure]

Has anyone here noticed that Peach now has the link to Super Mario 3D World's website under her profile?

R.I.P Toad.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I think that's a mutually exclusive feeling for anyone. Most of my Meowth videos were just about accepting Meowth as a possibility; I got comments that Meowth would be a HATED character to be in SSB.

I never really got while people were so against Meowth, while no, I don't think he should get in over Lucario, if there were a 6th slot for Pokemon, I'd definitely give Meowth that spot.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I think that's a mutually exclusive feeling for anyone. Most of my Meowth videos were just about accepting Meowth as a possibility; I got comments that Meowth would be a HATED character to be in SSB.

I do think that he'd be hated and the reason I don't consider him a possibility is

A: No room
B: If there even was room, characters like Genesect or Blaziken/Plusle & Minun would take that spot.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Yup, this probably means Toad won't be used for promotion of the game.

To be fair, even the majority of us Toad fans were doubtful that this would happen.

I'm wondering what Falcon's going to be linked to now it seems all the vets revealed post E3 have some sort of tie in link.

"Want to know more about Captain Falcon? Too bad. Check out the official website for Mario Kart 8 instead."

Edit: Meowth is overall more memorable than the Pikachu Ice Climbers or Team Plasma's science experiment. I'd be down with Meowth for 6th slot Pokemon far more than any of the other 700+ Pokemon. He's just unlikely.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Has anyone here noticed that Peach now has the link to Super Mario 3D World's website under her profile?

This could spell some trouble for Toad, though I'm not certain it means anything at all.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Has anyone here noticed that Peach now has the link to Super Mario 3D World's website under her profile?

::fights tempt to put Sonic in message::

Fal mentioned it a couple pages back.

I still have high hope for Chrom's inclusion. I don't think it really spells his doom by having Marth advertise Awakening. First, where is it written that two characters can't advertise a game. Second, as we saw with Peach, this can change post-reveal. And third, Chrom is a newcomer and precious resource. I feel that Marth is a very safe reveal for FE. Safe as in its expected, doesn't reveal too much, and won't cause too much of a stir. However, he is normally an unlock able.

Marth's reveal does trouble me about Ike's chances though. By far he would be a safer than Marth considering his starting status. The only reason why I see him not being revealed yesterday was due to him not technically being in Awakening.

Please be easy on new members, everyone. It reflects back poorly on SWF's reputation online and makes us look like a bunch of pitch fork-wielding maniacs. While Darkknight's roster was fairly controversial and lacked any type of credibility, there was really no need to jump on him like you guys did. He was pretty docile in the beginning, actually.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

hey guys i'm back what did I mi-

You've made a mistake there. I don't see how Lucario is of any real importance to the Pokémon franchise. You may argue that he's been a poster boy for advertisement, but that's only because of his popularity. Why would Wolf, the arguable second most important character in the Star Fox franchise be considered less important to his franchise over Lucario? He's just one out of over 700 Pokémon. Seems pretty insignificant to me.

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thank you mate
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[?????????????]

If there even was room, characters like Genesect or Blaziken/Plusle & Minun would take that spot.

What I like about Lucario now is that I think he has demonstrated "staying power:" we know he is going to continue to be a...marketable Pokemon.

I think the same could be said for both Meowth and Blaziken. Plusle & Minun? Just maybe.

Genesect...not yet. I don't think so anyway.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I do think that he'd be hated and the reason I don't consider him a possibility is

A: No room
B: If there even was room, characters like Genesect or Blaziken/Plusle & Minun would take that spot.

I don't think they'd get in over him, Meowth is generally more important than they are.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

thank you mate

Lucario has zero importance to Pokemon and is just one of over 700 Pokemon like Whismur and Carnivine...You guys are really intelligent you know that.

 

[Gunla]

This could spell some trouble for Toad, though I'm not certain it means anything at all.

Some people think that the Links are the death sentences for some characters, some don't. It's up to interpretation, honestly, as now people are now saying that characters like Chrom have no chances whatsoever.

Personally, I don't think it means anything, just Nintendo giving the people more ways to find out about characters so what happened with Marth and Roy in Melee can be averted again.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

I was actually saying thank you, because he stood up for wolf, I couldn't care less how important lucario is

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't think they'd get in over him, Meowth is generally more important than they are.

Mewtwo and Meowth are generally more important than Jigglypuff and Lucario. Your point?

I was actually saying thank you, because he stood up for wolf

Oh, good. I thought I lost you guys again.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Some people think that the Links are the death sentences for some characters, some don't. It's up to interpretation, honestly, as now people are now saying that characters like Chrom have no chances whatsoever.

Personally, I don't think it means anything, just Nintendo giving the people more ways to find out about characters so what happened with Marth and Roy in Melee can be averted again.

Honestly, I doubt it means anything. If Sakurai wants to promote a character he'd do it, it doesn't mean a character would be deconfirmed.

We have a long while until the next newcomer, so I suggest everyone calm down about the "links".

 

[FlareHabanero]

Apparently all of the promotion Lucario got in recent years doesn't count all of a sudden.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Mewtwo and Meowth are generally more important than Jigglypuff and Lucario. Your point?

Eh, Lucario was probably more important than Mewtwo in Brawl and why Jiggly has stayed continues to confuse me.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Apparently all of the promotion Lucario got in recent years doesn't count all of a sudden.

...Keeping out of this death-trap of a conversation...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Eh, Lucario was probably more important than Mewtwo in Brawl and why Jiggly has stayed continues to confuse me.

More popular, yes. More important no. So my point still stands that Sakurai doesn't always prioritize the most important Pokemon. That is a false statement thrown around by a lot of speculators. It was never true in any of the games.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

so did I really miss anything else, other than this whole self destruction of a conversation?

 

[Arcanir]

You read my claim correctly.
You said that we shouldn't consider Wolf's popularity and uniqueness when he compared him to Lucario. It's only fair that we do the same to Lucario for Wolf, right?
An important movie roll, yeah sure. But then again so did Mewtwo, Mew, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Lugia, Entei, Unknown, Suicune, Celebi, Latios, Latias, Jirachi, Groudon, Deoxys, Rayquaza, Manaphy, Kyogure, Darkari, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Shaymin, Arceus, Zoroark, Victini, Reshiram, Zekrom, Terrakion, Coballion, Keldeo, Kyurem, and Genesect. Let's not forget the next 5 movies we'll be seeing for this Gen's Legendaries. Movies help a bit sure, but in the grand scheme of things they still don't help that much when the movie was released years ago.
This "important" role in X and Y is very miniscule. Being a tutorial for a game mechanic isn't exactly "important".
A lot of them are. I've never seen anybody talk about Carnivine for Smash Brothers, or anything really.
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Those too.

I agree with Saturn and Golden, you cannot compare Lucario to other characters in different series as their importance to their series is weighted much differently. Hell, once you get down to it, in the main games only Lucario, Mewtwo, and PT of the Smash cast have a role of any relative importance. Rather, to fully compare him, you have to do it compared to the other characters in his franchise and that's where he shines. Main game-wise, he's one of the few Pokémon to have a role in the plot, even if a bit minor, spinoff-wise, he's one of the more recurring characters and usually has a strong role in them, anime-wise, the movie and the main series has promoted him greatly (Movie 8, upcoming role in XY, numerous roles in DP and one in BW) and that's not getting into marketing.

To say Lucario isn't important to his series is rather misguided, especially if you're trying to write him off as unimportant as Carnivine, who has no major role outside of being Jame's Pokémon for a season.

 

[Deleted member]

@pizzamandudeguy:
At this point, I'm feeling we'd get Robin/Avatar/My Unit/Tactician if we were to get a character from Awakening rather than Chrom.
The feature of an avatar character was present in three games now:
-FE7, though it was only a Tactician of the playable Lord Trio that you could name.
-New Mystery of the Emblem, with a secondary main character that had been added to this remake as Marth's closest ally and the Hero of Shadow (while Marth is the Hero of Light).
-Awakening, with, well I don't have to explain that one.

Awakening's Avatar is a considerably popular (and important; may be even more important than Chrom himself) character, with the male version being the official 3rd most popular male in Awakening in Japan and the female being the 2nd most popular female character.
And as Wii Fit Trainer shows, we're not limited to just one set gender, so that issue doesn't apply.

It also helps that the Avatar has a lot to work with for the sake of uniqueness, to the point that the common argument for Chrom ("he doesn't offer anything new in comparison to Marth/Ike") doesn't apply either.