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I'm glad you feel that way now. I think people feel that way about Snake because they think about him all wrong. Like he has no merit on his own. However, he has a whole lot more to him than most people think.
i'm leaning at none
Here's another subject. Just in case Ganondorf is an old subject already.
I'd like to talk about my home slice
If we look at the fact that Sakurai put Snake in the game, against what his employer wanted, and defended the decision to add him to the game, what does that say to you? I see people allege that his friendship with Hideo Kojima is nothing to talk about, whereas I think it's incredibly important to be aware that they have a distinct friendship.
As I've said before, if Sakurai viewed Kojima as a schmuck, and thought that Metal Gear was unimportant, then it's probable that we wouldn't have seen Snake in the first place.
Not to mention, Snake meets essentially every single criteria.
1) Appeared on a Nintendo console
2) Made people want to play the game
3) Incredibly unique
4) Contributes to game balance
The first requirement does not mean you have to appear frequently. It just means that you had to appear on a Nintendo product, which he had, port or no port. He has a history (however small) with Nintendo, and it continued with the latest port of Snake Eater on the 3DS. So the fact that he is more "associated with Sony" is moot. He isn't a Sony character at all. He's a multiplatform legend.
Sakurai reserves 3rd party spots for what he considers "Legendary 3rd Party characters". So far we've seen Snake, Sonic, and Mega Man get introduced to the Smash Bros Universe. It makes complete sense for all three of them to be there. MGS is a series with a massive following, selling millions upon millions of copies per installment (save for the ports on the GCN and 3DS). If Snake were a character on the same plane as say the red bird from Angry Birds or Rayman or some other third party nobody, then it would be understandable for him to be cut.
Snake being a favor to Kojima is certainly a big part in why he got in. However, if Snake didn't have his own merits, there is no way in hell he'd get in the game. Sakurai most likely takes this series very seriously, because he keeps himself in line with his own guidelines. He isn't going to stuff the game with 3rd parties. He isn't going to stuff the game with 16 Mario characters. This guy knows what he's doing. He added Solid Snake as a complete shock character, and felt that he would generally be accepted by the fanbase.
I'd say he was right in doing so.!
Glad to see another Snake supporter.
Well, he IS one of the sons of the legendary solider Big Boss.
I never played Metal Gear Solid until after playing Snake in Brawl, and realizing how fun he was.
Some people feel he shouldn't be in Smash because he doesn't fit with the Nintendo characters, and he comes from a "dark" series. I actually think Snake is a fun character and in imo he was done way better than Sonic in Brawl.
Twilight Princess
So Ganondorf flew above the ground and kicked Link with fire?
Uhmm...that'd be his side tilt. It wasn't a purply/glidy/covers-some-nice-distance kick. It was the sparta kick.Twilight Princess
I always get a good laugh at people trying to replace Snake with Simon Belmont and not using that golden opportunity to add the Bomberman. The most obvious Third-Party choice if not for Snake.
You're thinking of the Sparta Kick.
Did Luigi ever shoot green fire balls sideways? Did Sonic's homing attack float into the air for 3 seconds? You guys are giving me a ****ing headache.
Are you people ****ing kidding me? Does it even matter if one move isn't from Zelda anyway? Which this one kind of is anyway. I don't see people complaining about Luigi's green missile. I swear arguing about Ganondorf's move set is like arguing with a wall.
Yes. Actually. You could say that.
Our point still stands Saturn.You guys are giving me a ****ing headache.
People are mad because he was a shameless clone of Cpt Falcon, like what are you even arguing? His entire moveset was cheap and uninspired. Why are you complaining about the fans who actually want a semi-unique and Zelda game-inspired moveset for him?Did Luigi ever shoot green fire balls sideways? Did Sonic's homing attack float into the air for 3 seconds? You guys are giving me a ****ing headache.
Are you people ****ing kidding me? Does it even matter if one move isn't from Zelda anyway? Which this one kind of is anyway. I don't see people complaining about Luigi's green missile. I swear arguing about Ganondorf's move set is like arguing with a wall.
I'm done with this.
Sonic never rose in the air for 3 seconds before a homing attack!!!
No it doesn't. You're being bias cuz you just want a de-cloned Ganondorf. You're just dismissing whatever you want and saying "but, that's different" when it clearly isn't. Your point doesn't stand anymore than mine.
Luigi's Fire Ball is not a red bouncing fire ball. Nothing close to it.
Keep telling yourself that
The Red bouncing Fire Ball Luigi used in the mario games is not a straightforward green fire ball. Two entirely different points. Will you people listen to yourselves?
Because I don't care. It fits Ganondorf well, it's accurate to his character, and time can be spent on more important things. I really could care less if you people want a different move set or not. I'm just saying his current move set is okay too. It doesn't NEED to be changed.
If I may jump in, I would like to say that the same kick in TP is Ganondorf's Side Tilt if you haven't said it already.
You pissed at something Saturn? This doesn't call for an attitude.Sonic never rose in the air for 3 seconds before a homing attack!!!
In Sonic Heroes, after performing one homing attack Sonic bounced up in the air so that you could perform another. Same goes for Sonic 06. So kinda yeah.
No it doesn't. You're being bias cuz you just want a de-cloned Ganondorf. You're just dismissing whatever you want and saying "but, that's different" when it clearly isn't. Your point doesn't stand anymore than mine.
I frankly don't give a damn about Ganondorf's moveset. I'm satisfied as long as he's in the damn game and isn't total garbage.
Luigi's Fire Ball is not a red bouncing fire ball. Nothing close to it.
I never claimed it wasn't. What brought this up? They are two different moves. Just like the Sparta Kick and Falcon Kick are different moves. Really. What gives?
Keep telling yourself that
Saturn. Grow up. People really dislike the snobby and condescending attitude of yours. I was being nice and respectful you start acting like this. Why? What have I done to offend you?
The Red bouncing Fire Ball Luigi used in the mario games is not a straightforward green fire ball. Two entirely different points. Will you people listen to yourselves?
Okay. Now you're just being a ****.
THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY!!!!
I would like to see snake return, but that means that any other 3rd party probably won't make it in, this means pacman(the most deserving and obvious choice from namco) would have less of a chance of appearing which makes me sad. But, snake's return chances seem low considering he hasn't been the mascot of his own series for years(and he has retired)
Fixed.
How often do I do that?
You didn't actually.
-____- it fit Captain Falcon well. But I guess since Ganondorf is from F-Zero it makes sen.....oh. Wait. It doesn't. At all. He's awkward being a clone because they are literally completely unrelated to each other. Clones are fine if they're from the same series or something.
Already said it my guy.
And yet you prolong it...but seriously, why do the details of the kick matter?
Oh, well sorry I'm not GoldenYuitussin. I forgot you have to be him to be frustrated at stubborn people who will accept nothing, but their own opinion/bias. And I'm not the one cursing at you or talking down to you so what are you complaining about.
Not often, but on SEVERAL occasions. And yet you're accusing me.
I lashed out at YOU? Yeah, because I called you a **** and what not. I did not call you a name, insult you, or anything. So quit complaining and move on.
>says he is done with conversation
This one made me laugh.
Wait, what?Twilight Princess
I always get a good laugh at people trying to replace Snake with Simon Belmont and not using that golden opportunity to add the Bomberman. The most obvious Third-Party choice if not for Snake.
And you're being biased because you want Ganondorf to stay the same no matter what, and stating "but he DOES do that in the games" when he clearly doesn't. Your point?