Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[ChronoBound]

All three of those would be missed, well, except maybe your waifu

Yeah a lot of horny losers with gigabytes of porn will miss them I know. Secondly, I have no waifu/husbando. I hate anime crap. I would like it if people refrained towards their petty behavior about me here.

 

[Banjodorf]

Jeez. Maybe, just maybe, there was a boundary overstepped in here. Why don't we direct it at me, since I actually wouldn't mind Tharja as my waifu. Bring it on!

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

It's not a game of relevancy, man. No matter what's said, that's not going to be understood, but it's not a game of relevancy. It's a game of popularity and also a bit of "Sakurai's choice". That should be apparent from every choice made on the entire Smash roster. Ever.

If they add a second Pokemon trainer, in addition to the third, I'm going to eat a piece of my clothing, and film it. Make note of this, but also know that it just isn't going to happen.

We can;t say if it will happen or not.

All of the trainers are different and we could easily have two to show that difference. A sort of "You don't like this trainer try the other one" mentality. Sakurai could easily make both trainer play different.

Gold/Ethan is practically one of the most popular ones underneath Red, and his games were remade, so that is why I see him (unless you want Kris instead) to be up for that spot. Make Red have longer stamina, being able to keep his Pokemon out longer, while Gold would have shorter stamina, and would need to switch more often. Certain features like that.

 

[N3ON]

Wow, you seem to be happy about it

But, yeah, kind of. However I wouldn't necessarily say the difference is much. I would probably put Gold around 50-55%. Which would apply to other trainers like Hilda, X, Y, Crystal/Kris, etc as well.

I still would pick Gold to add alongside Red because of the final battle in Gen 2. With Mt. Silver Cave as a stage.

Well I thought you were incapable of progress, so even baby steps is something.

However you're still overestimating Gold. And we're not going to get two trainers, that's like six characters to make in a series already plentiful. Sakurai isn't going to take away from Red's gimmick. And there are several other Pokemon that would get priority.

EDIT: And basically "we can't say what will happen" is a terrible reason to bank on the super improbable.

 

[FlareHabanero]

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Yeah a lot of horny losers with gigabytes of porn will miss them I know. Secondly, I have no waifu/husbando. I hate anime crap. I would like it if people refrained towards their petty behavior about me here.

You "hate anime crap" yet you play Nintendo games and appear to have a Fire Emblem lord as your icon?

Well I thought you were incapable of progress, so even baby steps is something.

However you're still overestimating Gold. And we're not going to get two trainers, that's like six characters to make in a series already plentiful. Sakurai isn't going to take away from Red's gimmick. And there are several other Pokemon that would get priority.

Hopefully something that would make the roster not Gen 1 centric?

 

[Deleted member]

Well, I could see why people would think of removing Red, because they believe it would help free up space for new Pokemon characters to be on the roster.

Edit: Oh hey it's a Chrono.

I don't think Sakurai removes characters to make room for more newcomers. I doubt that if Sakurai removed five characters, we would get more than Brawl.

And this thread is getting ugly. I'm off.

 

[Gene]

@Psycho

Pfft! Not if Squirtle's wearing sunglasses.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

96% chance red returns. I've seen those odds go against me before I'm not about to bet on them.

 

[ChronoBound]

You "hate" anime crap yet you play Nintendo games and appear to have a Fire Emblem lord as your icon?

By "anime crap" I mean crappy anime memes and tropes, such as "moe", "tsundere", and "waifu". I have not watched anime since 2006 (the last one I watched was probably Yu Yu Hakusho).

 

[lobotheduck21]

BTW I made that list of arguments on my Wii U

 

[Banjodorf]

We can;t say if it will happen or not.

All of the trainers are different and we could easily have two to show that difference. A sort of "You don't like this trainer try the other one" mentality. Sakurai could easily make both trainer play different.

Gold/Ethan is practically one of the most popular ones underneath Red, and his games were remade, so that is why I see him (unless you want Kris instead) to be up for that spot. Make Red have longer stamina, being able to keep his Pokemon out longer, while Gold would have shorter stamina, and would need to switch more often. Certain features like that.

Just like with every assuption made, in ost cases, no, we can't say it won't happen. However, like N3ON said above, another trainer is development time that could be spent on a completely unique character, instead of another character that renders PT's gimmick not unique.

(Granted, that could not be the case, but come on, be logical. They're going to spend development time on other characters.) Pokemon has freaking 7 characters. You're going to devote about 1/5 of the roster to Pokemon reps? No way. Not a chance. Absolutely none that they would do that.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Well, I know for a fact that Chrono would despise the Disco Room. That place uses so many anime tropes to the point of people actually saying "kawaii" and "desu" seriously, plus the ****ing My Little Pony crap. It's very jarring actually.

 

[N3ON]

Hopefully something that would make the roster not Gen 1 centric?

Gen 1 is where most of the popularity and iconic-ness reside, which is what Sakurai adds characters for, so it's not a problem to him. Again, he could give less of a **** about generation representation.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

$100 bucks that Red returns.

Willing to bet this towards anyone who feel as Red will get replaced (not necessarily you).

I'm beyond confident that Pikachu, Jigglypuff and Red are going to be in.

Well there should be no doubt that Pikachu and Jigglypuff will stay.

And I don't necessarily see Red being replaced, but I won't say I am a hundred percent certain on it.

Those three with a Gen 5 & Gen 6 could work, and then maybe another trainer as DLC later on.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Gen 1 is where most of popularity and iconic-ness resides, which is what Sakurai adds characters for, so it's not a problem to him. Again, he could give less of a **** about generation representation.

So if Gen 1 is where most of it is at, then why was Lucario in Brawl?

Yes I know he is a popular choice too, so you don't have to reply with that, but if Gen 1 is "where most of it resides" then why don't we just have a full on Gen 1 roster and screw the other 5?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So if Gen 1 is where most of it is at, then why was Lucario in Brawl?

Yes I know he is a popular choice too, so you don't have to reply with that, but if Gen 1 is "where most of it resides" then why don't we just have a full on Gen 1 roster and screw the other 5?

YES!

Charizard, Mewtwo, Blastoise, etc.

Alakazam, Gengar, Dragonite, Farfetch'd

 

[Oasis_S]

I think he thinks he's a thinker.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So if Gen 1 is where most of it is at, then why was Lucario in Brawl?

Because Lucario is a popular Pokemon by both critics and fans.

Seriously people, it's not rocket science.

 

[N3ON]

So if Gen 1 is where most of it is at, then why was Lucario in Brawl?

Yes I know he is a popular choice too, so you don't have to reply with that, but if Gen 1 is "where most of it resides" then why don't we just have a full on Gen 1 roster and screw the other 5?

Because most =/= all. And GF likely has a say.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I think he thinks he's a thinker.

Who are you talking about?

 

[Oasis_S]

Who are you talking about?

WHO WANTS TO KNits you.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Because Lucario is a popular Pokemon by both critics and fans.

Seriously people, it's not rocket science.

If you read the next line I actually answer my own question

I just asked because while Gen 1 is the "most popular", other gens have got reps before. And I was just wondering that if Gen 1 was so popular, why could the entire roster be determined by it then and forget everything else.

WHO WANTS TO KNits you.

What have I done?

Because most =/= all. And GF likely has a say.

I never said it did, just asking a hypothetical situation based off what a lot of people here say.

But, ok, I see where you are coming from.

 

[lobotheduck21]

Only reason gen two got a rep is because sakurai chose the six clones

besides, lucario is the only pokemon outside of the big legendaries that are unfeasible and deoxys that can even match gen 1 popularity, and deoxys has fallen off the face of the earth

 

[Deleted member]

I question the whole "if Sakurai had his way, there would be more" thing for Brawl after reading through a presentation he had made years ago.
From what was discussed, the entire roster concept had been "finalized" as early as July 7, 2005 with the sole exception of Sonic's addition in early 2007. I put "finalized" in quotations, as it meant no further additions (except again, Sonic), since it quite obviously was not the final list of characters in general, when you consider that Diddy/Dixie eventually became Diddy alone due to complications, and according to another interview (same one that discussed Diddy/Dixie), Sakurai had a placeholder for a newer Fire Emblem character during that time, which would be filled by Ike later on.
This was to be done as a failsafe because later additions (such as Sonic) would cause difficulties in production.
Scrapping characters later on was apparently expected, as the the goal of the design was to incorporate as much as possible within the alloted time. As a result, late cuts would not cut into production schedule.
This is where we get to the Forbidden 7 (sans Dixie Kong) as well as Jigglypuff, Toon Link, and Wolf. They were all towards the end of the character data for a reason; they would be among the first to be axed if time would not allow all the characters.
Source: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/15390
It also has quite a bit of other interesting information.


Another thing I inadvertedly gathered from this is that since he already had a general idea for Brawl's roster even before the game had been officially shown off to the public, none of Brawl's polling had any effect on the roster except for one thing; Sonic. The fact that Sonic was the most requested character (and wasn't within Sakurai's initial layout) made him the optimal choice for an exceptional late addition.
(I wonder then, if Smash 4's roster is finalized by now as well?)

Though this does raise question about Lucario to me. I know Lucario's existance had been known before the finalization, but neither his movie nor D/P were released until after it had been done. So with all of this knowledge, I think ChronoBound may have been right when he theorized that Lucario, like Ike, was initially a placeholder for a newer Pokemon, though at the same time, considering the movie came out in Japan just 9 days after the finalization, I also theorize that like with Roy, Sakurai got a bit of a behind-the-scenes look at Lucario and liked what he saw, thinking that the character would end up being popular (and he would be right).




EDIT: Also, I'm pretty sure Sakurai mentioned a couple of times that HE is the decision maker when it comes to characters. The "GameFreak has a say in what Pokemon he can use" thing seems to be a misinterpretation of Sakurai mentioning that they are hard to deal with.

On that note, I am out for a few days.
Peace.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Can we not mercilessly pick on Chrono?

Really guys. This is getting real old. Real fast.

 

[lobotheduck21]

Dragon, not sure why you liked my post

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Dragon, not sure why you liked my post

Because I basically agree with what you say about the likes of Pichu and Lucario. That certain other reasons could have affected their inclusions.

I can agree with what people say and yet still respond to them with my own thoughts.

 

[lobotheduck21]

Thanks just wondering why

 

[Oasis_S]

Get a room you two. Then both of you get a groom.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Get a room you two. Then both of you get a groom.

Only if you give them room service during their honeymoon.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Get a room you two. Then both of you get a groom.

Are you talking about the guy in your picture?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Are you talking about the guy in your picture?

That is a maid. And you should be ashamed for thinking it wasn't one.

 

[peeup]

Obvious:
Pikachu is staying. No point to be made.

Jiggs is staying. Some people think she's out. That's dumb. She's an original vet. She's in.

Mewtwo is coming back. Because he's got a super special crunchy chocolaty movie coming out and he's badass as ****. Anyone who disagrees is seriously disturbed #ElleWoods

Lucario is coming back. Sure, he's a ***** ass ***** that cries for his mommy and touches himself to his sister's friend who gave him one hug like three weeks ago. But he appeals to the ***** ass ***** playerbase so he's gonna stay, ***** ass ***** and all.

Pokemon Trainer is staying. Disclaimer: his name is not Red. If his name were Red, Sakurai would have called him Red. His name is Pokemon Trainer. Red has a **** ton of badass mother****ers in his party. Pokemon Trainer has an unevolved Squirtle, a ***** ***** Ivysaur, and a Charizard that probably isn't EV trained, and obviously he's useless cause he isn't on a sun team. That being said, Pokemon Trainer don't give a ****. He's the coolest mother****ing character in Smash history, barring Mewtwo. He is staying.

Token Gen VI mon/trainer is being introduced. You're a ****ing dip**** if you disagree with this. The new gen is pretty nicely timed with the new Smash game. Even if X/Y ain't out by the time Sm4sh is, we'll still have Gen VI's posterchild, who will probably being even more of a ***** ass ***** than Lucario. OR we might have a Gen VI version of Pokemon Trainer, which would be cool but also he would definitely be way less badass than my main ****** PT over there. ****ing Gen I forever am I right?

Genesect is ********. **** that robot bug I see more threatening things in my girlfriend's vagina after I spew clue glue all up in that *****.

Zoroark is getting gypped. He's a badass ************ who don't give a ****, but for some reason, all the 10 year olds out there are too busy yanking their ***** to pictures of Lucario 69ing itself instead of realizing that Zoroark is the ****ing ****.

Plusle and Minun get anally ****ed by Sakurai's monster ****. This dynamic duo deserves to be in Smash more than 90% of the ****ing cast, but Sakurai is a ****** asshole and he doesn't like it when people are happy or satisfied, so instead he's just gonna tie em up and make em **** each other's brains out until they're just a pile of blood and sperm and shattered dreams on the floor of his bedroom, then he's gonna take a **** on their broken bodies and eat it up because ****ing Sakurai is a sociopathic sex addict.

 

[Oasis_S]

Only if you give them room service during their honeymoon.

...I feel so betrayed. You like nearly all my posts and then you go unexpectedly turning around this situation on me.

Was this your plan all along? To make it hurt that much more?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well Peeup, I think we need pics now

 

[peeup]

Well Peeup, I think we need pics now

Of Sakurai butt****ing Plusle and Minun? Or of the 10 year old global population relieving their blueballs by enjoying an orgy of Lucario?

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

That is a maid. And you should be ashamed for thinking it wasn't one.

Sure looks like a male maid to me

 

[Oasis_S]

Sure looks like a male maid to me

What are you trying to say bro.

 

[Shorts]

Sure looks like a male maid to me

You been warned son.

*cracks whip*

STARCATS.

ALSO, if you don't LIKE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY, REPORT IT, SON. *points outwardly to no one*