Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[FlareHabanero]

Same here. Though as you said, it is extremely unlikely due to the intended balance with the three we have.

"Balance"? There was a balance?

 

[Banjodorf]

I remember when people in this thread used collapse tags. @_@

Collapse tags are for squares. Posting giant screen-stretching images is where it's at!

 

[Ben Holt]

I had this idea once:

Grass Pokemon Trainer: all through evolution
Fire Pokemon Trainer: all through evolution
Water Pokemon Trainer: all through evolution

Super Smash Bros. Pokemon and Friends!

 

[lobotheduck21]

characters i wouldn't buy the game without

original 12 (unless jiggs is replaced by mew, meowth, or eevee)
ice climbers (little dudes grew on me)
r.o.b. (he's a freaking robot)
zelda (ain't nobody cutting my girl)

anybody else I'll be dissapointed.

 

[BKupa666]

To be honest, I doubt that many people are such big fans of every single one of Brawl's characters to the point where they'd boycott the game if a single one weren't in. Sure, the backlash would be deafening, but if all these years of buildup lead to, say, no Falco or Ness, a crowd of people suddenly canceling their pre-orders and dropping all hype would be just a tad silly.

gannondorf4ever's list is closest to my own in that those characters are mandatory for me to not have an overwhelmingly sour taste left in my mouth, with the possible exceptions of Isaac and Takamaru.

 

[Deleted member]

Not sure if this has been brought up before, but here's an interview from July, 2008 from Official Nintendo Magazine to Sakurai. http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/5437/features/an-audience-with-masahiro-sakurai/?page=2

This quote in particular is interesting:

In an age where games are made by hundreds of people though, as opposed to the old days of lone programmers in their bedrooms, surely he doesn't make all the decisions by himself? "I decide what goes in the game; nobody else." Oh, right. "But when it comes to the characters," he continues, "there's a degree of balance to getting it right. The popularity of the character is important, for instance, as is the consideration of whether the character has a unique ability that only he, she or it can bring to the game."

 

[Banjodorf]

gannondorf4ever's list is closest to my own in that those characters are mandatory for me to not have an overwhelmingly sour taste left in my mouth, with the possible exceptions of Isaac and Takamaru.

Yeah! Score one for Gan-man!

Seriously though, I don't expect any of my must-haves to not be in. Wolf? Falco? No, they've established a Starfox triad. Ice Climbers is probably mandatory too, I just...meh.

 

[Ben Holt]

I hope no one gets cut. The only cut I wasn't completely pissed about was Pichu. I guess you could say Young Link, but Toon Link IS Young Link, so I don't consider that a cut, just a rename.
But if they do make cuts, hopefully they'll be available later as DLC.

 

[lobotheduck21]

All I know is this, if some goku or naruto love says that r.o.b. should be cut...
Well there will be some raging

 

[FlareHabanero]

But when it comes to the characters," he continues, "there's a degree of balance to getting it right. The popularity of the character is important, for instance, as is the consideration of whether the character has a unique ability that only he, she or it can bring to the game."

Well, the unique ability thing would explain Dr. Mario and Young Link. I mean, nobody else can throw drugs at people or get drunk on Lon Lon milk.

 

[Ben Holt]

I seriously support Dr. Mario for Smash 4. I've made my case before, but the Mario series needs more than 4 reps compared to Pokemon's 6 (probably 7 in SSB4 with Mewtwo) and Zelda's 5.

 

[Oasis_S]

I seriously support Dr. Mario for Smash 4. I've made my case before, but the Mario series needs more than 4 reps compared to Pokemon's 6 (probably 7 in SSB4 with Mewtwo) and Zelda's 5.

You should be embarrassed.

 

[FlareHabanero]

inb4 Golden slaps a *****.

 

[Banjodorf]

You should be embarrassed.

Yeah man, Doc's too awesome to be in Smash. What would he even use as a down special? Dr. Fludd? Dr. Pepper? Pffffffft.

 

[Oasis_S]

Forget Habanero, you get to have his portion of this poopoo platter, Ben.

 

[Ben Holt]

I don't know if he'll be in or not. I just like him. And if Sakurai could give Captain Falcon a moveset, he could give anyone a moveset.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

This is getting exciting!

 

[Banjodorf]

I don't know if he'll be in or not. I just like him. And if Sakurai could give Captain Falcon a moveset, he could give anyone a moveset.

And now I want to see someone come up with a Warp Star moveset...

 

[Arcadenik]

What characters are must haves in your book? Meaning characters that you wouldn't buy a game for if any of them were excluded.
Here would be my list:
- Mario
- Luigi
- Peach
- Bowser
- Donkey Kong
- Diddy Kong
- Yoshi
- Wario
- Link
- Zelda
- Ganondorf
- Samus
- Zero Suit Samus
- Pit
- Kirby
- Meta-Knight
- King Dedede
- Pikachu
- Pokemon Trainer (Red or Gold or someone else)
- Olimar

Luckily, they're all safe so I'm not worried about any of them.

Yeah, I don't have childhood memories of Pokemon (other than the anime), Fire Emblem, EarthBound, Star Fox, and F-Zero games. I LOVED Ness and Lucas in Brawl but I am neutral towards the Mother series. I hate the Star Fox clones (Wolf is cool though) so I don't care if they return or not. I don't have rose-colored nostalgia towards Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, and R.O.B. so I am neutral towards them. They were still fun to play with but I'd like to play as new, never-before-playable-in-Smash retro characters. I like Pikachu and I like the idea of Pokemon Trainer but I really would like to play as new, never-before-playable-in-Smash Pokemon. And I also don't care about the whole "Original 12" thing.

 

[Ben Holt]

The only character I could remotely see them cutting is ROB.
But please don't HM01 anyone.

 

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Dr. Fludd?

For some reason I can't stop laughing at this.

 

[Oasis_S]

This is getting exciting!

POPCORN MORE LIKE POOPCORN ARE YOU READY FOR THIScaps.

 

[Deleted member]

"Balance"? There was a balance?

I know you're making a sarcastic remark about gameplay balance, however, that is not the "balance" I'm talking about.
It was a synergenic balance between the set of three: the small, lightweight Squirtle, the middleground Ivysaur, and the large, heavyweight Charizard.
Sakurai talks about this in the same interview he discusses about the Villager using a bug net and shovel.
Ironically, he mentions that he considered having them all be fully evolved or all be at their first stages before he decided on having one of each stage.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

POPCORN MORE LIKE POOPCORN ARE YOU READY FOR THIScaps.

What do you think I've been eating?

 

[FlareHabanero]

This is getting exciting!

Well... not quite.

Roy is terrible, Lyn for the win.
Mewtwo is ****.
Ridley is too big.
Little Mac is boring.
Lip is pedobait.
Takamaru is a Marth clone.
Pichu is the best character ever created.
K. Rool is irrelevant.
Palutena cannot fight, she has to support Pit.
Dillon is a ****ty Sonic knockoff
Matthew > Issac
Isa > Saki
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Dr. Mario is just Mario in a doctor suit he cannot be unique.
French toast > waffles.

...

Alright, now it's exciting.

 

[lobotheduck21]

@ben
Ike, Snake, Sonic, and Lucario are way more likely then R.O.B., hell that's what people said about Mr. Game and Watch and Ice Climbers during brawl

 

[Ben Holt]

Well... not quite.

Roy is terrible, Lyn for the win.
Mewtwo is ****.
Ridley is too big.
Little Mac is boring.
Lip is pedobait.
Takamaru is a Marth clone.
Pichu is the best character ever created.
K. Rool is irrelevant.
Palutena cannot fight, she has to support Pit.
Matthew > Issac
Isa > Saki
Dr. Mario is just Mario in a doctor suit he cannot be unique.
French toast > waffles.

etc. etc.

I thought you were serious for a sec...

 

[Banjodorf]

Well... not quite.

Roy is terrible, Lyn for the win.
Mewtwo is ****.
Ridley is too big.
Little Mac is boring.
Lip is pedobait.
Takamaru is a Marth clone.
Pichu is the best character ever created.
K. Rool is irrelevant.
Palutena cannot fight, she has to support Pit.
Matthew > Issac
Isa > Saki
Dr. Mario is just Mario in a doctor suit he cannot be unique.
French toast > waffles.

etc. etc.

Careful! Those are the words of the dark summoning incantation...

 

[FlareHabanero]

Careful! Those are the words of the dark summoning incantation...

Well I am trying to awaken an ancient evil, so that was my intention.

Gotta destroy this planet somehow, you know?

 

[Big-Cat]

I don't know if he'll be in or not. I just like him. And if Sakurai could give Captain Falcon a moveset, he could give anyone a moveset.

There's the question of whether or not they can be given a moveset that would seem appropriate for the character. Capt. Falcon, Fox, and Zelda in particular were interesting cases. Falcon comes from a series of superhero like racers, so Sakurai seemingly went for a Kamen Rider thing for Falcon. It's also quite possible it might've been leftovers from Dragon King.

Zelda's moves seem like things she'd have in the games, if she ever did them that is. Despite this, they are definitely in character for Zelda. Fox's TKD style seems like one of the more random ones. That was the only one I could never figure out as to why he has that moveset other than his mercenary background would more than likely involve martial arts training.

 

[Shorts]

Well, the unique ability thing would explain Dr. Mario and Young Link. I mean, nobody else can throw drugs at people or get drunk on Lon Lon milk.

Speak for yourself.

 

[Ben Holt]

Can we all agree that this guy is a shoe in?

 

[lobotheduck21]

no the real shoe in is the nike swish

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Can we all agree that this guy is a shoe in?

He's gonna take you back to the past!
To play the ****ty games that suck ass!

Sing with me everybody!

 

[Big-Cat]

He's gonna take you back to the past!
To play the ****ty games that suck ***!

Sing with me everybody!

 

[~automatic]

Falcon comes from a series of superhero like racers, so Sakurai seemingly went for a Kamen Rider thing for Falcon.

Pretty much but some of the Captain's moves come from the comic that came with F-Zero copies for teh SNES.

Spoiler

Curiously enough the two moves seen here (elbow F-Smash and Raptor Boost) were added in Melee. There were no side specials in SSB and his 64 F-smash was a weird roundhouse type of kick.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I like the characters that are a blank template, because it opens up more possibilities to be creative.

 

[Oasis_S]

Or for Kuma to add some dull Street Fighter moves.

 

[lobotheduck21]

@ Hab

Or they have a huge list of crap they could do (mew, maxwell)

 

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Spoiler

Curiously enough the two moves seen here (elbow F-Smash and Raptor Boost) were added in Melee. There were no side specials in SSB and his 64 F-smash was a weird roundhouse type of kick.

Man, why doesn't Smash's Raptor Boost make the sound "Bako!" as well?

Anyway I'm betting most of Captain Falcon's moveset was made up of leftovers from Smash 64's original prototype.