Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[Moon Monkey]

Hmmm....King K. Rool as an Bowser alt costume!

(Oh, how i've missed that smiley)

 

[Croph]

Discussion? Why can't Sonic look like this in Smash?

(glad to see our friend, the Troll, back) Now I just wish this avatar problem will be fixed...

 

[volbound1700]

Going back a few pages, in Brawl days the most hype for me was obviously Sonic; however, I also really wanted Diddy Kong which was added. Wario was also a great add in my book. Pit ended up being a fun and well-built character. I also got excited about Olimar even though at the time I had never played Pikmin. I was let-down by no Megaman and by cuts.

My demands/hopes for Smash 4.

1. NO CUTS - already went through that and this is my biggest desire over getting new characters
2. Megaman - He is the Sonic of Smash 4. Will bring a lot of hype
3. Mewtwo - I want him back
4. Pac-Man - Another great character that fits series
5. King K. Rool - I love DKC series
6. Ridley - Not a metroid player but would be fun
7. Little Mac - Boxer would be great in Smash
8. Tails - Love to have another Sonic character or at least another Stage.
9. Classic Stages - Return of stages from past series, more of them especially 64 stages
10. Melee Expansion Pack - Bring back all Melee characters in style plus Melee costumes for some characters already in. Bring back Melee stages, themes, and items with this pack.

 

[Gene]

Dillon seems like he'll be a blend of Sonic, with quite a few rolling dash attacks, and Snake laying down explosive traps on the stage.

Dillon confirmed for Snake and Sonic's replacement.

 

[lordvaati]

something I was just thinking about with Link: what if this time, they used him to reflect on the recently canonized timeline breaks by having a Link from each one? so in other words, one link like his classic self(TL1), one like his TP or MM self(TL2), and Toon Link(TL3)? course having 3 Links running around would be kinda absurd, but tere is the whole "expect the unexpected" factor and all.

 

[volbound1700]

Actually I would also be happy if they added any of the Mario characters listed (Bowser Jr, Toad, Paper Mario, Waluigi). I also would love to see Skull Kid and Prince Fluff.

 

[Starphoenix]

I'm still of the opinion that Megaman X would be the best fit in Super Smash Bros. It would be ironic that after years of begging Capcom for X to make his appearance in Marvel Vs. Capcom, he becomes playable in Super Smash Bros. Still, I believe Megaman X has a lot more to offer than the little blue boy in terms of playstyle (go watch some clips of Project X Zone if you disagree). No one really has to grasp at straws to adapt X to the Super Smash Bros. gameplay. Wall jumping? Check. Air dashing? Check. Giga Attack? Check. Plus, how can you argue with these tracks?

http://youtu.be/Ps7KrwcdwZM [it's almost frightening how well this song goes with the gameplay.]
http://youtu.be/ZMxmL3_FeUs
http://youtu.be/Z0jCkgM6ccA
http://youtu.be/FFnP0Ze5ORM

In the end, I'm almost certain Nintendo and Capcom will go with the safe bet in the original, sadly.

 

[Gene]

Link and Toon Link are enough honestly. And I just want Link to get buffed, and Toon Link to Have some items different from what Link already uses. I'd like Link to be able to attack his bombs again like in Melee, as far as giving him another helpful tool to recover off stage.


I have a question about Link. Would be broken if Link had the hover boots from OOT as a floating mechanic similar to Peach? It could last for 2 seconds, but my problem with Link having the hover boots is that didn't they only work when you walk off of land first? They don't have to work how they did in OOT in canon but still keep it's purpose by letting you walk in the air.

 

[lordvaati]

Largest character in Smash history:Ridley
Lightest character in Smash history:Toon Zelda
Futuristic fighter:Mach Rider
Long Ranged Weapon Weilder:KOS-MOS
A character riding something:Dixie/Kiddy
Small-heavy character:Bowser Jr.
New transformation character:Meloetta
Magic weilding character:Micaiah
A close ranged combat specialist:Little Mac
Sheild/Wall specialist:Mewtwo
M gone E rated character:Travis Touchdown
Trap character:Vivian(?)
A PT without starters:Cynthia(Spiritomb, Milotic, Garchomp)
Aerial combat specialist:Funky kong
A Dark/Evil character:Medusa
A Pure character:Palutena
A really young character:Jill
A really old character:Cranky Kong
A summoner:Nester

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Namco is responsible for Tekken and Soul Calibur, but they are also responsible for those very mediocre anime fighters (DBZ BT series and Ultimate Ninja afaik).

Compared to the DBZ games we have today (Burst Limit, Raging Blast series, etc.), the BT games weren't that bad, but can see why others wouldn't like them. For me though they were more or less up there with the Budokais.

Don't even think about it. Go do something else. Please, don't make the same mistake I made. I thought things were going to get better/more interesting, but I was dead wrong and nobody talks in that major. When they do, it's in really technical terms.

I made the same mistake as well a few years back, thinking it would get more interesting after the prerequisites, and boy was I wrong. Couldn't agree more about the people in that major too. They're quite soulless, most of them anyway.

GUYS, REJOICE! THE TROLLFACE IS BAAAAACK!

Ecstatic. It's been back though.

More on topic...

I'm not excited for Mewtwo really, simply because... I'm sure if he's added he won't be changed too much from Melee.

Also, the fact that Mewtwo will likely be like his Melee version doesn't help him at all.

On what basis do you think/find it likely that Namco will/would just make him hardly different at all from his Melee version?

 

[Moon Monkey]

Dillon confirmed for Snake and Sonic's replacement.

I can see it now...

We've had many request to re-include Sonic and Snake into this next installment of smash. It was a tough decision, but bare with us. We have comprised for the sake of development time and decided to make them alternate costumes.

 

[Shorts]

On what basis do you think/find it likely that Namco will/would just make him hardly different at all from his Melee version?

Well, he would change, but probably not drastically. More in the way Ganondorf and Falco changed, you know? Mewtwo and the clones both got a lot of **** for their movesets, but Ganon and Falco didn't change drastically. They changed a lot, but not completely. And Mewtwo is already a unique character, so, I mean he may not change him at all.

I really think this could be the last time there is a lot of hype for Smash Bros. in terms of characters. Nearly all of the long-time Nintendo characters (outside of those from the Mario series) will be added in. Assuming Ridley, Little Mac, Mega Man, Isaac, and K. Rool are added, I can't really think of any characters left to add that have a large fanbase (again Mario characters, and possibly Dixie Kong).

I wish I knew what Sakurai DID with Dixie. Did he scrap her as soon as the combination didn't work? Was he putting her at a lower priority like he did with Mewtwo and Roy? Did he only want Diddy if the tag team didn't work?

I just, don't know how likely K. Rool + Dixie is.

 

[Big-Cat]

I made the same mistake as well a few years back, thinking it would get more interesting after the prerequisites, and boy was I wrong. Couldn't agree more about the people in that major too. They're quite soulless, most of them anyway.

I wouldn't say soulless, just boring. I can get them to open up a bit if I want. In fact, one of my friends who's now a grad student is one I can get to open up. And I just randomly came up to him in one class to see if he needed a group to join. That's me in a nutshell. Talking to strangers like we're friends.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

The trollface is ACTUALLY BACK?

WOOTH

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Well, he would change, but probably not drastically. More in the way Ganondorf and Falco changed, you know? Mewtwo and the clones both got a lot of **** for their movesets, but Ganon and Falco didn't change drastically. They changed a lot, but not completely. And Mewtwo is already a unique character, so, I mean he may not change him at all.

Well Melee Mewtwo had moves/specials based on things he used in the first Pokemon movie, like shadow ball. Maybe other techniques in his arsenal will become more glorified in the Genesect movie which they'll use for revamping the moveset some? Ya never know, but either way I can't see them not implementing some of his latest gen moves to some degree. That alone would change him more than Ganon or Falco were from Melee to Brawl.

I wouldn't say soulless, just boring. I can get them to open up a bit if I want. In fact, one of my friends who's now a grad student is one I can get to open up. And I just randomly came up to him in one class to see if he needed a group to join. That's me in a nutshell. Talking to strangers like we're friends.

More or less the same thing to me. I tried getting some to open up, but it was hard. That's cool though. Wish I had been able to do that as easily as you. :u

 

[Frostwraith]

The trollface is ACTUALLY BACK?

WOOTH

I lol'd hard when I asking about it in the feedback thread and just a few moments later, John2k4 posted the trollface. XD
I do wonder if he went ahead and added it, because of my post... or if I'm being trolled hard by the mods.

I'm still of the opinion that Megaman X would be the best fit in Super Smash Bros. It would be ironic that after years of begging Capcom for X to make his appearance in Marvel Vs. Capcom, he becomes playable in Super Smash Bros. Still, I believe Megaman X has a lot more to offer than the little blue boy in terms of playstyle (go watch some clips of Project X Zone if you disagree). No one really has to grasp at straws to adapt X to the Super Smash Bros. gameplay. Wall jumping? Check. Air dashing? Check. Giga Attack? Check. Plus, how can you argue with these tracks?

http://youtu.be/Ps7KrwcdwZM [it's almost frightening how well this song goes with the gameplay.]
http://youtu.be/ZMxmL3_FeUs
http://youtu.be/Z0jCkgM6ccA
http://youtu.be/FFnP0Ze5ORM

In the end, I'm almost certain Nintendo and Capcom will go with the safe bet in the original, sadly.

The original Mega Man seems to be the best bet. But, he could have alt. costumes for X, Volnutt, .EXE, etc...

Also, regarding music, ATs and Trophies, they could add content from the many different Mega Man games besides the ones with original Mega Man. (Just don't add Bad Box Art Mega Man...)

Tron Bonne and Servbots as Assist Trophy, anyone?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Tron Bonne and Servbots as Assist Trophy, anyone?

Them or Zero.

Either would make my day.

 

[Frostwraith]

What if Sakurai and Yoshinori Ono make a surprise announcement that Mega Man is in SSB4...

...only to find out he's Bad Box Art Mega Man... AGAIN!

Sakurai and Ono: *laughs*

It'd be a punch in the face for anyone living in this planet. Even Grimers would be angry.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

What if Sakurai and Yoshinori Ono make a surprise announcement that Mega Man is in SSB4...

...only to find out he's Bad Box Art Mega Man... AGAIN!

Sakurai and Ono: *laughs*

It'd be a punch in the face for anyone living in this planet. Even Grimers would be angry.

I'd main him, if only to troll people online.

 

[Moon Monkey]

He should have a taunt button where he briefly turns into the Megaman everyone wants.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

He should have a taunt where the Mega Man everyone wants jump in on stage and he shoots him off. Then laughs and laughs

 

[ChronoBound]

I wish I knew what Sakurai DID with Dixie. Did he scrap her as soon as the combination didn't work? Was he putting her at a lower priority like he did with Mewtwo and Roy? Did he only want Diddy if the tag team didn't work?

I just, don't know how likely K. Rool + Dixie is.

I wish I knew too. At the very least Sakurai put some thought into Dixie Kong's attacks and animations. I still think K. Rool is far more likely, although I like Dixie Kong more.

I am not sure if even K. Rool is a guarantee to be honest. The closest thing we have to a shoe-in this time is Mewtwo (after him, I would say the most likely characters are Takamaru and Palutena).

I think K. Rool is going to be a character saved by Smash Bros. if he gets in (the same goes for Isaac and the Golden Sun series). I am still a bit worried since both K. Rool and Dixie Kong have not made any more new game appearances since 2008 (a half decade ago), and the removal of the DKC trilogy from the Virtual Console means that the source material for those two characters is unavailable to new generations of players.

I am crossing my fingers that K. Rool and/or Dixie Kong make some sort of appearance in Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D, or that Diddy Kong Racing Wii U turns out to be real. On the latter, like with Smash 4, we won't know anything until E3 2013.

 

[Frostwraith]

If Sakurai already planned something with Dixie, that means she's likelier than we think. And who knows? Maybe we can have both Dixie and K. Rool as the new DK newcomers. It's not like it was done before.

Mewtwo is very likely, especially considering that he was cut from Melee, was the closest (out of the scrapped characters) to return to Brawl and has been promoted in Gen V, with the new movie as well as a special Wi-fi event Game Freak made for Black / White. Mind that he recieved a signature move in Gen V too.

Clearly, Mewtwo's chances of returning are very high.

 

[Oasis_S]

Still pretty sure Dixie could ONLY come after K. Rool.


Also COMPLETELY NOT BIASED AT ALL WHO WOULD EVEN THINK THAT, I say Ridley is the most shoe-iniest character.

 

[BKupa666]

In terms of how Sakurai represented popular characters in Brawl, I think it's almost certain that we will get Mewtwo, Little Mac, K. Rool, Megaman and Ridley playable this time. Looking at Brawl, the only massively popular characters that missed out, based on my recollections of this board, were Ridley and Geno, the former because of Sakurai and the latter because of any number of reasons, unimportance and third party gobbledygook prime among them. With so few popular characters left to begin with, Sakurai will likely have to become less choosy with characters, not more. This is also where Ridley benefits, since there are no longer any popular characters that can be added instead of him to justify his absence.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'm pretty confident we'll get the popular and beloved characters of Sukapon, Tom Nook, and Geno

If they have room in the roster, we MIGHT get Mega Man, K. Rool, and Ridley as well

Also Dillon somewhere

 

[Smooth Criminal]

?

Smooth Criminal

 

[Moon Monkey]

I agree with pretty much everything you said. But...

In terms of how Sakurai represented popular characters in Brawl, I think it's almost certain that we will get Mewtwo, Little Mac, K. Rool, Megaman, Ridley AND Pac-man playable this time. Looking at Brawl, the only massively popular characters that missed out, based on my recollections of this board, were Ridley and Geno, the former because of Sakurai and the latter because of any number of reasons, unimportance and third party gobbledygook prime among them. With so few popular characters left to begin with, Sakurai will likely have to become less choosy with characters, not more. This is also where Ridley benefits, since there are no longer any popular characters that can be added instead of him to justify his absence.

Fixed.

 

[~automatic]

Oh boy! Trollface use outside of rage comics in a context of no real trolling finally returned.

 

[Shorts]

I wish I knew too. At the very least Sakurai put some thought into Dixie Kong's attacks and animations. I still think K. Rool is far more likely, although I like Dixie Kong more.

I like Dixie Kong more as well. Still really enjoy K. Rool, but I do love that helicopter haired ape.

I am not sure if even K. Rool is a guarantee to be honest. The closest thing we have to a shoe-in this time is Mewtwo (after him, I would say the most likely characters are Takamaru and Palutena).

I agree that Mewtwo, Takamaru and Palutena some of the most likely. Along with Roy OR Chrom. A Fire Emblem character is simply going to happen. Roy not making it into Brawl was just because Sakurai's team somehow fell behind with time or delegated his time/staff to other things. Sakurai always tries to add as much characters as possible. If he had his way, we would have seven more characters. Sure we don't care for Toon Zelda / Toon Shiek. He likes to make us happy.

With Melee, he happened to complete his "add more characters" agenda. I mean, he beefed the roster by five. Brawl, he TRIED, but it didn't work out. (I think Wolf was the last roster buff he managed to add) This is why I'm not TOO afraid of the roster being whimpy sized. He's got the right team to really make Smash 4 the best Smash game so far. Roster size included

I think K. Rool is going to be a character saved by Smash Bros. if he gets in (the same goes for Isaac and the Golden Sun series). I am still a bit worried since both K. Rool and Dixie Kong have not made any more new game appearances since 2008 (a half decade ago), and the removal of the DKC trilogy from the Virtual Console means that the source material for those two characters is unavailable to new generations of players.

Thankfully, Sakurai has already looked at Dixie for playablitiy. We also know he doesn't have a problem adding characters that aren't exactly "relevant". He likes him some retros, and he already has shown that Dixie means SOMETHING to him and the DK series. I'm not too afriad of relevancy. If, he does though, we can kiss Dixie, K. Rool, and Krystal bye bye. But I'm confident the Wii U and the 3DS is going to revive about EVERY Nintendo major franchise.

Really, I don't think we should worry so much aboutlast appearences for most characters. With Takamaru, it's one thing. He only was in one game, from forever ago when Sakurai said he would add him IF he appeared in another game. (Which he's appeared in a game since he said that)

I am crossing my fingers that K. Rool and/or Dixie Kong make some sort of appearance in Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D, or that Diddy Kong Racing Wii U turns out to be real. On the latter, like with Smash 4, we won't know anything until E3 2013.

Okay, what Nintendo games are rumored/confirmed for the Wii U and 3DS? I haven't heard of DKRWii U or DKCR3D.

@Moon Monkey, if it was anyone but Sakurai in charge, I would say sure, Pac-Man is a shoe in. But Sakurai really seems to not like the third party headache.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Okay, what Nintendo games are rumored/confirmed for the Wii U and 3DS? I haven't heard of DKRWii U or DKCR3D.

Donkey Kong Country Returns is a 3DS port of Donkey Kong Country Returns. It was confirmed in the last Nintendo Direct. Diddy Kong Racing Wii U though is still unconfirmed.

 

[ChronoBound]

On the topic of Chrom, the FE fanbase's reception of him seems to be ho-hum or mixed. They just seem to regard him as "just another lord" with nothing really about him that stands out. I think if Chrom were not the most recent lord, he would probably fall down the memory hall rather quickly.

 

[Shorts]

On the topic of Chrom, the FE fanbase's reception of him seems to be ho-hum or mixed. They just seem to regard him as "just another lord" with nothing really about him that stands out. I think if Chrom were not the most recent lord, he would probably fall down the memory hall rather quickly.

Over at 4chan, I got a few people commenting, asking why I had Chrom and not Lucina on my poll. So that makes sense. I just don't think Lucina has a chance in Smash.

 

[ChronoBound]

Over at 4chan, I got a few people commenting, asking why I had Chrom and not Lucina on my poll. So that makes sense. I just don't think Lucina has a chance in Smash.

Lucina seems more popular than Chrom, but that may just be because of "b00bz", regardless, the reason why support is so low for her among the Smash Bros. fanbase is that she is practically a genderswap version of Marth. With Marth's latest design, he looks almost the same as Lucina with the exception of having shorter hair.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Over at 4chan, I got a few people commenting, asking why I had Chrom and not Lucina on my poll. So that makes sense. I just don't think Lucina has a chance in Smash.

At best she'll be a Marth alternate costume.

Spoiler

 

[---]

Lucina is an okay character, she's arguably the best Female lord in the series (is definitely usefulness wise). IS certainly seems to like her a lot given all of the FE13 merchandise with her posing on the cover. So I do think some of her fanbase is legit, though you're right in saying most are just plain perverts.

Anyway her Marth costume is just too perfect for Marth himself to use, so much so I'd bet it's a default costume rather than a DLC one.

 

[Big-Cat]

This whole "pervert" argument is really dumb. Can't it be feasible that they just like the character or find her attractive in a non-perverted way?

 

[Deleted member]

Judging by the source about the old Famitsu articles where Sakurai talks about non-secret Newcomers as well as Snake and Sonic, it sounds to me (by what I'm translating) that when the Diddy/Dixie tag team (said to be able to "instantly swap" each other by touching, so I assume it was a system where they would switch off attacks and perform Combo Attacks with Specials on top of tagging each other in and out manually like in the Country games) had to be cut in various ways, he chose to keep Diddy Kong alone because he was too popular to not include and because he could be made interesting alone (I'm guessing Dixie couldn't to him).
To me, that does not really sound good for Dixie unless he wants to revist the tag team idea with someone like Kiddy.

Of course, I could be completely wrong, so to cover that base, I ask someone with extensive knowledge of Japanese to directly translate this:
　実はディディーコングはディクシーコングとペアで出すつもりでした。タッチすることで２人を瞬時に入れ替え
るようなシステムを作って。でも色々と難しい部分があって早々とカットしました。ディディーコングを選んだのは
むしろ参戦していないのが不思議だと言われるくらい人気があったので。動きも面白いものができました。
これはモーションデザイナーの努力に尽きます。サルらしく、あちこちを駆け巡る様子がよく表現できてるし、
バナナのかわを投げて相手を転ばせるところなんて、小憎らしくていいでしょ？
　最後の切りふだのバレルジェットパニックの自由が利かないもどかしさは、『ドンキーコング64』でのバレル
ジェットの操作感を再現しました。『バンゲリングベイ』にも通じるものがあるかな(笑)

 

[Diddy Kong]

King K.Rool is nowhere near a guranteed playable character just yet. Sure, he's highly requested and popular now. But still am holding my breath for him. But to be completely honest, I'd accept Dixie as a solo newcomer for Donkey Kong Country as well. Would still be kinda sad for no K.Rool, as he's my most wanted newcomer by far (even with Mewtwo, who I don't even count as a newcomer anymore), but yeah, since I have Diddy already in, even Sheik's return cannot really ruin the character roster for me. Unless if it's filled with Sonic character somehow. I'd hate that.

Mewtwo should return, and judging how most low tier characters where buffed in Brawl (most noticeable: Mr.Game & Watch) I have hopes for Mewtwo receiving significant buffs as well. Just look at how Lucario was designed; pretty much balanced all Mewtwo's problems: weight to size ratio, range, priority and speed. And look at Ike as well compared to Roy: lot's of killing power and range. It's not saying much of coarse, but still a neat little fact. And seeing Mewtwo was gone for a while, a new Side B and Down B are easily justified. Any other changes in moveset animations I don't think are neccesary.

 

[---]

This whole "pervert" argument is really dumb. Can't it be feasible that they just like the character or find her attractive in a non-perverted way?

Spoiler

But in all seriousness, I do agree with you Kuma. Either way popularity is popularity.