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[FlareHabanero]

I'm one of two people on this planet that doesn't feel enthusiastic for Mewtwo. Manly is the other one.

 

[BKupa666]

Maybe Chrono can elaborate, but I wonder whether Mewtwo was more universally wanted before Melee or now...

 

[Moon Monkey]

October 9th, 2007. Never forget.

No lie. I watched that $h!t at least once a week until brawls release.
Hopefully around October the Smash Dojo will be up in running an on the 9th they reveal megaman

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

DragonSniper: Yep.

Mewtwo has been pretty promoted and people dropping Zoroark latley just testaments further on that.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Dat announcement trailer...

 

[Arcadenik]

Look at the roster for the latest arcade Mario Kart:

http://mariopartylegacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/mariokartgpdxcharacterselect-600x323.png

Pac-Man is using his design from the upcoming cartoon (which premieres later this year).

I think IF Pac-Man is going to be in Smash 4, he will be shown at E3 2013 due to the cartoon that is coming out later this year, as well as all the merchandise they are making to coincide with it.

On a sidenote, notice how Toad is there and not Waluigi.

Pac-Man makes a whole lot of sense as a Namco character in Smash. He's had some history with Nintendo and Mario series. Adults know him from the arcades. Teens know him from the console games, especially Pac-Man World games. Children are going to know him from the new cartoon. He's timeless. Iconic. He would fit right in.

 

[ChronoBound]

Maybe Chrono can elaborate, but I wonder whether Mewtwo was more universally wanted before Melee or now...

Mewtwo never dominated the character polls prior to Melee's release (at least in the West) like he does now. There was a lot of people who wanted him in sure, but there were several other Pokemon that got a lot of requests as well (Charizard (at least until July 2001 when he was de-confirmed), Meowth, Heracross). I can't really remember how much more wanted Mewtwo was relative to those other Pokemon characters though.

I do know that Ganondorf, Wario, King Dedede, and Diddy Kong were wanted more than any Pokemon character though.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Arcadenik: Pretty. Still wondering how he'd work though. (-l^l-)

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I'm one of two people on this planet that doesn't feel enthusiastic for Mewtwo. Manly is the other one.

Add me to that list

 

[Moon Monkey]

There are 2 possible moves-sets Pac-man can have.
1) One based on all of his games from the O.G Pac-man to Pac-man World 2
or
2) Based on all of the retro Nacmo games from Dig-dug to Galaxia

 

[Shorts]

I'm one of two people on this planet that doesn't feel enthusiastic for Mewtwo. Manly is the other one.

I'm not excited for Mewtwo really, simply because... I'm sure if he's added he won't be changed too much from Melee. I play Melee a couple times a week, and whenever I try to play as Mewtwo I usually stop. The coolness doesn't outweigh the awful gameplay. He plays so quirky, and most of his moves won't be useful on a player that has a high enough skill level. Confusion and telekinesis are not good. Give him Psychic and like, make telekinesis expand further. Or if you keep confusion, at least make it like Jiggs' rest. Hard to use, but worth it when it works. Make it scramble the opponents buttons for 15 seconds or something.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Exactly why I don't feel enthusiastic for Mewtwo. His moves and attributes are pretty bad, which to me doesn't exactly build me confidence. I mean, even buffing wouldn't be enough to make it worth the effort.

 

[---]

Children are going to know him from the new cartoon.

Funny thing is, I didn't even know Pikachu and Sonic were video game characters until a couple months after I started watching their respective cartoons.

 

[Aipom]

Mona [WarioWare] 71


Hey, she isn't a Wario Land character.

Yah Mona! Honestly, if Mona gets added in for the Wario series & Waluigi gets added to the Mario series, it'll complete everything Wario's games/personalities need in my opinion

 

[Deleted member]

I don't mean to be a jerk, but weren't you just a month or so ago saying that his only shot at getting in would be DLC?

No worries.

A month ago Mewtwo wasn't confirmed to star in the Pokemon movie. Only speculated to show up. Now that he's confirmed only the blind and stubborn would deny his shot at getting in.

Also, the announcement of Gen 6 destroyed any chances Zoroark and Genesect had of getting in, and the fact that we still have no starchild and Mewtwo is being promoted has only helped Mewtwo.

Exactly why I don't feel enthusiastic for Mewtwo. His moves and attributes are pretty bad, which to me doesn't exactly build me confidence. I mean, even buffing wouldn't be enough to make it worth the effort.

It's ironic because I made a Mewtwo-inspired character for the OC challenge. It's not that Mewtwo's concept isn't original or barren of potential. Quite the opposite, the concept of the haracter inspires me a lot, but Mewtwo's execution is Smash Bros is bad, and it's not a Pokemon I particularly care about. I'd rather see someone like ArkSys or Capcom explore the concept of a Psychic character in one of their fighters than see Mewtwo in Smash.


Also, the fact that Mewtwo will likely be like his Melee version doesn't help him at all.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Now that he's confirmed only the blind and stubborn would deny his shot at getting in.

I guess I'm both blind and stubborn.

 

[ChronoBound]

Although Ridley, Mega Man, Mewtwo, and Roy are the only characters I am excited about in terms of newcomers, there is still a number of characters that I think deserve playable status:

- Little Mac (his series is older than most other Nintendo series already in Smash Bros.)

- Palutena (she definitely helped make Uprising the enjoyable experience it is, she is definitely the most worthy female character in my eyes).

- K. Rool (if they make him a bumbler like his N64 incarnation and give him stuff from his various incarnations for the DKC trilogy he would definitely stand out on the roster).

- Dixie Kong (can you name another female Nintendo character that has been the main hero for more than one game aside from Samus? She also has a great memorable design).

- Isaac (I really feel for the Golden Sun fanbase, they have been wanting him for over a decade)

- Toad (definitely the most iconic Nintendo character that has yet to be playable in Smash Bros. aside from Ridley)

- Paper Mario (the N64 and GCN Paper Marios were among Nintendo's best RPGs ever, would also serve to represent a popular Mario sub-series)

- Bowser Jr. (I was sour on this guy pre-Brawl, but his continued important roles in the main Mario series made me think he has enough merit to deserve inclusion)

I am not sure though whether we will get both K. Rool and Dixie Kong (I think Dixie's chances are 50/50), and having even one Mario newcomer is iffy.

 

[Vintage Creep]

In my opinion Dixie should be added to Diddy and make an Ice Climbers-like character. The difference is that you can switch between the two of them with the usual down+B and have to different movesets based on which character you're controlling. Like for example the Up+B of Diddy stays the same with the difference that Dixie grabs his legs (or tail? or something else? ). The Up+B of Dixie though is similar to Donkey Kong and makes use of her hair, with Diddy that grabs her instead.
Do you think this could work?

 

[Deleted member]

I guess I'm both blind and stubborn.

There's just nothing standing in his way man... Zoroark can't even compare, and Gen 6 is like Gen 5 in the sense that it's breaking patterns again to reinvent itself. Genesect is boring. So our last choice for a realistic Pokemon newcomer is Mewtwo. The fact that Gamefreak is on board with getting his name heard again also promotes this notion.

In fact, it's very possible that both GameFreak and Sakurai might have worked together to promote each other's series with Mewtwo. We'll just have to wait and see what Gen 6 might bring. But think about it, with the movie, if Mewtwo is reveled for Smash at E3, it's gonna create more hype for Smash among because of the movie and the return of Mewtwo, but also for Pokemon among fans. Then if something special is planned for Mewtwo for the new Pokemon games... That's it, it sounds like a reasonable marketing strategy to me, but we'll have to wait and see.

Personally I'd rather see Deoxys and Hilbert/Hilda as newcomers, but oh well...

 

[Frostwraith]

@Horsetail and Habanero: Regarding character expectations, I share the same opinion as you. I support the characters I like, no matter what the others think about them. Whether they are likely to be clones or not, whether they're obscure or not, and so on.

If Mewtwo is to return, he better be revamped, especially when considering the signature move given to him in Gen V (Psystrike) as well as new Psychic attacks like Psycho Cut or Psyshock.

 

[peeup]

Either of these would be me if MEWTWO get announced.

Especially the bolded ones

fixed for ya thank me later

 

[Deleted member]

In my opinion Dixie should be added to Diddy and make an Ice Climbers-like character. The difference is that you can switch between the two of them with the usual down+B and have to different movesets based on which character you're controlling. Like for example the Up+B of Diddy stays the same with the difference that Dixie grabs his legs (or tail? or something else? ). The Up+B of Dixie though is similar to Donkey Kong and makes use of her hair, with Diddy that grabs her instead.
Do you think this could work?

This is the idea that I've been pushing for for ages. But there are some people against it for some reason. It could do what you said, but also Partner moves a-la Banjo Kazooie with another input. You remember how you could carry your partner starting DKC2?

 

[lobotheduck21]

No worries.

A month ago Mewtwo wasn't confirmed to star in the Pokemon movie. Only speculated to show up. Now that he's confirmed only the blind and stubborn would deny his shot at getting in.

Also, the announcement of Gen 6 destroyed any chances Zoroark and Genesect had of getting in, and the fact that we still have no starchild and Mewtwo is being promoted has only helped Mewtwo.

I'd say that lucario benefited from this the most

I with habanero and horsetail in that I want more obscure characters in (Mr. Stevenson FTW)
Thinking about it a gumshoe game would be awesome for 3ds

@manly I got mixed feelings about a diddy/dixie team I feel that they deserve to be there own characters, but this the only way cranky will get in

 

[FlareHabanero]

This is the idea that I've been pushing for for ages. But there are some people against it for some reason.

Mainly it's because Diddy Kong is already a very potent independent character, and the proposition of forcing a gimmick not needed feels kind of cheap.

 

[Moon Monkey]

This is the idea that I've been pushing for for ages. But there are some people against it for some reason. It could do what you said, but also Partner moves a-la Banjo Kazooie with another input. You remember how you could carry your partner starting DKC2?

I think Diddy has the potential to be a stand alone character. I did however, make a moveset for Dixe and Kiddy Kong:

http://www.smashboards.com/threads/dkc3-double-trouble-a-dixie-and-kiddy-kong-thread.330920/

I really do think a mix between Ice Climber and Zelda/Shiek like team would be really cool for the Kong series. But as you said, for some reason many people are against this idea...

 

[peeup]

I don't really care for the DK series but I think this Dixie/Kiddy character would be really cool, like a blend of ICs and Sheilda.

 

[Deleted member]

Mainly it's because Diddy Kong is already a very potent independent character, and the proposition of forcing a gimmick not needed feels kind of cheap.

Well then, how about completely re-inventing both characters as a totally NEW character Duo? The Diddy from Brawl can stay in Brawl, but the Diddy we get in Smash 4 is a new one designed to flow with Dixie? One that harks back to DKC2 and the 90's SNES era of gaming where DKC and DKC2 were the prime of platformers. With a bit of Banjo-Kazooie inspired partner moves here and there...

I think the concept can work very well if done correctly, and it can be MUCH more than a gimmick if some though is put into it. That's a character I'd really like to see get made, but like with Lyn, the chances are unlikely seeing as I doubt Sakurai would put that much effort into reinventing a character. Also, I think Diddy was built from the scraps of the scrapped DiddyxDixie concept.

 

[Vintage Creep]

This is the idea that I've been pushing for for ages. But there are some people against it for some reason. It could do what you said, but also Partner moves a-la Banjo Kazooie with another input. You remember how you could carry your partner starting DKC2?

Yeah even if I don't know how that could be implemented in the moveset I'm thinking. I basically imagine the unplayed character following the played one around, maybe helping him/her with the grapple. You know, american style, Diddy grabs another character while Dixie punches him lol. It's not something like Ice Climbers which basically attack twice at the same moment. Banjo-Kazooie is a little different since they're basically one character, gameplay-wise I mean, and they would work similar to Jak & Daxter or Ratchet & Clank in PSABR if you ask me.

Since we're talking about Banjo... I was thinking of opening a topic about him since I have a lot of ideas, but I know you consider him an "impossible character" and so I don't know if I can.

*dreaming about Nintendo taking back the license*

 

[Moon Monkey]

I don't really care for the DK series but I think this Dixie/Kiddy character would be really cool, like a blend of ICs and Sheilda.

I believe the concept is unique enough to set them apart. Unfortunately, Dixie alone has enough competition with K. Rool for the priority DK series rep.

 

[FlareHabanero]

You know, what is and isn't deserving is pretty suggestive between people. It's basically one big opinion, and as such it can never be agreed on no matter what conclusion we come to.

 

[Moon Monkey]

You know, what is and isn't deserving is pretty suggestive between people. It's basically one big opinion, and as such it can never be agreed on no matter what conclusion we come to.

This is true. But, with Sakurai wanting to focus on balance rather than filling the roster up with as much characters as possible. We know that most of the characters we suggest will most likely not make the cut. This is why you see many people looking for patterns, digging up old interviews (and probably outdated ones too.) with Sakurai to look for some insight as to what characters have a better chance than others.

 

[Shorts]

Made this for kicks. I got lazy and didn't make it Brawl size, its 64 sized. Surry >.< Ill make a Brawl sized one soon though~

​

~Super Smash Spec 64~​

 

[FlareHabanero]

Oasis is too Strong, please nerf.

 

[BKupa666]

If we had to get Dixie as part of a duo character, I'd much rather she be with Kiddy, who, unlike Dixie herself, needs a to piggyback off of a more popular character to appear in Smash. Ideally, we'd leave that silly mechanic alone, since it comes at the price of Diddy and/or Dixie's individuality.

 

[Deleted member]

Made this for kicks. I got lazy and didn't make it Brawl size, its 64 sized. Surry >.< Ill make a Brawl sized one soon though~

​

~Super Smash Spec 64~​

Am I a hidden character? Or was I killed off for Story purposes?

 

[Big-Cat]

Hey, you put me in Fox's spot. Freakin' awesome.

@Manly
That's more or less the original "speculators" from day 1 (I was not pleased with Brawl for entirely different reasons than today).

 

[Shorts]

If we had to get Dixie as part of a duo character, I'd much rather she be with Kiddy, who, unlike Dixie herself, needs a to piggyback off of a more popular character to appear in Smash. Ideally, we'd leave that silly mechanic alone, since it comes at the price of Diddy and/or Dixie's individuality.

I think the duo would be interesting, but it's best left for characters who NEED each other. I mean, Plusle & Minun for example. But a Dixie/Kiddy team up would be cool. What about and Eirika Ephraim duo? She uses a sword (looks like a fencing sword) and he uses a lance. Would be a cool duo IMO. I think the idea of a duo is just really hard to make work in Smash effectively though. Which is why Dixie/Diddy was scrapped.

There were a bunch of people I want to add, and will. I'm just lazy right now. Manly, Bkupa, Luco, Horsetail, Berserker, and Pieman just to name a few. I think for my sake I'm just going to use Jakor's roster maker and make everyone their favorite character

 

[FlareHabanero]

I think the duo thing should be left to the Ice Climbers. We only have enough room for so many broken characters thank you very much.

 

[Shorts]

I think the duo thing should be left to the Ice Climbers. We only have enough room for so many broken characters thank you very much.

They won't be nearly as broken thanks to Namco. Also, I was thinking more of a tag team. That's a new mechanic, kind of. Shelda meets ICs

 

[Deleted member]

Hey, you put me in Fox's spot. Freakin' awesome.

@Manly
That's more or less the original "speculators" from day 1 (I was not pleased with Brawl for entirely different reasons than today).

Ahh, I see. So I'll be in the sequel, aka the BEST version. Sounds good as long as I'm not Pichu.

EDIT:

Also, I think I've found my new avatar for this month.