Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[Capain Puff]

I think Lucario and Snake will be cut. Lucario will be cut like Mewtwo and be replaced. For Snake, he'll be replaced by other 3rd parties and since Sonic is too popular Snake gets the boot. That's how I think it will go.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I don't think they will cut Lucas. Luigify him instead.

He's hardly a clone to begin with.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Roy got replaced by Ike

I can't believe people still think this.

 

[TheCreator]

Does nobody understand that Sakurai isn't going to cut a character that he put in for a friend? Snake? The mans not an assholê.

 

[Frostwraith]

I think Lucario and Snake will be cut. Lucario will be cut like Mewtwo and be replaced. For Snake, he'll be replaced by other 3rd parties and since Sonic is too popular Snake gets the boot. That's how I think it will go.

Replaced? Isn't that a mere assumption, considering that both Mewtwo and Roy were planned to return for Brawl? Sakurai even said something about Roy in Brawl...

I can't believe people still think this.

Hear hear!

 

[PikaJew]

I can't believe people still think this.

Why is it wrong to think that?

They took out a Fire Emblem character and replaced him with another tweaked Fire Emblem character.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well the roster was practically doubled, so not really. The older characters were somewhat changed as well (although it is mostly the first part I am talking about).

SSB4 won't be the same as that.

Your changing arguments when convenient.


FOR EVERYONE WHO THINKS LUCARIO AND IKE REPLACED MEWTWO AND ROY:

They didn't. They were all intended to be in the game together. Those who didn't return were only cut because of time restraints.That and they all play differently. That's like saying PT replaced Pichu because it's a new Pokemon Rep.

 

[FalKoopa]

He's hardly a clone to begin with.

No, but his specials are cloned, except one. But I think it's a fair guess that there will be no semi-clones among the brawl veterans.

 

[Frostwraith]

Mr. Swampasaur gets it. Sheesh, so much ignorance... >_>

By that logic, @FalKoopa, Wolf is a clone... >_>
Why do people keep making the assumption that simply having similar special moves makes them clones?

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Your changing arguments when convenient.


FOR EVERYONE WHO THINKS LUCARIO AND IKE REPLACED MEWTWO AND ROY:

They didn't. They were all intended to be in the game together. Those who didn't return were only cut because of time restraints.That and they all play differently. That's like saying PT replaced Pichu because it's a new Pokemon Rep.

Maybe a little bit but not a lot

And no, Pokemon Trainer was there because of the return of Gen 1. Pichu was just horrible Gen 2 representation.

 

[Frostwraith]

"The return of Gen I"? Wait what? What is that supposed to mean?

Pichu was a filler joke character, anyway...

 

[FlareHabanero]

Sheesh, so much ignorance... >_>

Welcome to the Social Roster Discussion.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

"The return of Gen I"? Wait what? What is that supposed to mean?

Fire Red and Leaf Green, the "remakes within Gen 3".

 

[lobotheduck21]

Implying Ike replaced Roy. I expect all 3, plus Chrom.

How is that implying Ike replaced Roy, I was saying Ike would be cut in favor of chrom, meaning if time constraints happen, chrom would get in over ike

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Why is it wrong to think that?

They took out a Fire Emblem character and replaced him with another tweaked Fire Emblem character.

They added a Fire Emblem character and took another one out(though they almost didn't). Unlike with the two Links, Ike is a completely different character from Roy. So I don't see how character A getting in when character B was cut means that that character A replaced character B. By that logic, Pokemon Trainer replaced Pichu and Wario replaced Doctor Mario.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Maybe a little bit but not a lot

And no, Pokemon Trainer was there because of the return of Gen 1. Pichu was just horrible Gen 2 representation.

Was I just trolled?


Gen 1's 'return' was outdated by the time Brawl was released. It's 'return' was already long gone.

Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard got in because of popularity and status. Not to promote an old remake.

 

[Frostwraith]

Fire Red and Leaf Green, the "remakes within Gen 3".

I knew that... but, I don't think that exactly qualifies as "the return of Gen I."

FR/LG is still a Gen III game.

 

[FalKoopa]

Wolf is a clone... >_>
Why do people keep making the assumption that simply having similar special moves makes them clones?

I'm not saying that they're clones.
I just want them to have more unique moves.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Was I just trolled?


Gen 1's 'return' was outdated by the time Brawl was released. It's 'return' was already long gone.

Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard got in because of popularity and status. Not to promote an old remake.

Um, each Smash Bros tends to MOSTLY be based off of the previous generation (and what they can get from current gen). So for Brawl, the Gamecube and GBA were the consoles. The latter being where Fire Red and Leaf Green were.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I'm not saying that they're clones.
I just want them to have more unique moves.

If they're not clones, what's wrong with them having a few similar moves?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Um, each Smash Bros tends to MOSTLY be based off of the previous generation (and what they can get from current gen). So for Brawl, the Gamecube and GBA were the consoles. The latter being where Fire Red and Leaf Green were.

If they were going by 'mostly the previous generation', we would have gotten a Gen 3 Pokemon like Blaziken.

 

[TheCreator]

God. This thread has taught me to hate the word 'clone'

 

[Frostwraith]

Um, each Smash Bros tends to MOSTLY be based off of the previous generation (and what they can get from current gen). So for Brawl, the Gamecube and GBA were the consoles. The latter being where Fire Red and Leaf Green were.

Except that Brawl has elements from DS and Wii games. There are elements from Pokémon Diamond / Pearl and the Pokémon trophies are taken from Battle Revolution. Your point is...?

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

If they were going by 'mostly the previous generation', we would have gotten a Gen 3 Pokemon like Blaziken.

They picked the Fire Red and Leaf Green Male Trainer......a 3rd Gen character

 

[TheCreator]

They picked the Fire Red and Leaf Green Male Trainer......a 3rd Gen character

Because of popularity.

 

[Frostwraith]

They picked the Fire Red and Leaf Green Male Trainer......a 3rd Gen character

Red's debut: Pokémon Red / Blue. Using FR/LG's redesign. Still can't validate your points.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Because of popularity.

But they chose the latest version

We didn't get the original, if it were popularity than it would have also been that version. But it was popularity and relevancy/recency.

 

[PikaJew]

They added a Fire Emblem character and took another one out(though they almost didn't). Unlike with the two Links, Ike is a completely different character from Roy. So I don't see how character A getting in when character B was cut means that that character A replaced character B. By that logic, Pokemon Trainer replaced Pichu and Wario replaced Doctor Mario.

Stop trying to make that Pichu, Pokemon Trainer argument. You're trying to make us all seem stupid.

There are obviously similarities between Ike and Roy and Mewtwo and Lucario.

Roy was a slower, more powerful Marth. So is Ike. But they completely revamped Ike's moveset to have a more original Fire Emblem character. But there are still similarities (down b, normal b is fire based and up b has been tweaked a litte)

Lucario has Mewtwo's normal b attack. Literally the exact same. Same properties. Charge in the air, hurts people as it charges. Lucario is just a more relevant legendary Pokemon character. They'd have 4 first gen representatives if Mewtwo came back.

It makes perfect sense to think Ike and Lucario are the newer replacements and representatives for the game. If Mewtwo and Roy missed the cut by time issues, then that means Ike and Lucario were a higher priority.


But please don't say Pokemon Trainer replaced Pichu. None of us are saying that. And our arguments aren't implying that.

 

[TheCreator]

No it wasn't. It was popularity of the most recent, which was still old

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

No it wasn't. It was popularity of the most recent, which was still old

Still previous gen

So looking at the Wii and DS for SSB4 is there

 

[FalKoopa]

But they chose the latest version

They HAD to choose the latest version.

 

[Frostwraith]

But they chose the latest version

We didn't get the original, if it were popularity than it would have also been that version. But it was popularity and relevancy/recency.

And your argument goes down the well...

The latest version of a playable trainer as of Brawl are these two fellas:

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

They HAD to choose the latest version.

Which is what they usually do, at least with a version they have time to grab and make a model for.

 

[TheCreator]

Still previous gen

So looking at the Wii and DS for SSB4 is there

Well duh.
In brawl, the previous gen was gen 3. I don even know what you're trying to convince us of.

 

[Frostwraith]

Latest Gen as of Brawl was the FOURTH generation!

Otherwise, Lucario wouldn't make it in the first place!

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Well duh.
In brawl, the previous gen was gen 3. I don even know what you're trying to convince us of.

That the previous gen seems to have quite the impact on each Smash Bros (on top of some current gen)

After hearing it from someone on YouTube back in 2011, and looking into it myself, that is what it looks like.

So the Wii and DS will be where most characters in SSB4 will be based off of, with some 3DS and possibly a little Wii U.


@Frostwraith: It doesn't mean they always choose ONLY the latest. Fourth Gen was the latest on the the current which was DS, while Third Gen was the current on the GBA.

 

[TheCreator]

They're going to TRY and make it as recent as possible.

 

[FalKoopa]

That the previous gen seems to have quite the impact on each Smash Bros (on top of some current gen)

After hearing it from someone on YouTube back in 2011, and looking into it myself, that is what it looks like.

So the Wii and DS will be where most characters in SSB4 will be based off of, with some 3DS and possibly a little Wii U.

3rd gen didn't have any impact on brawl chars at all.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Stop trying to make that Pichu, Pokemon Trainer argument. You're trying to make us all seem stupid.

There are obviously similarities between Ike and Roy and Mewtwo and Lucario.

Roy was a slower, more powerful Marth. So is Ike. But they completely revamped Ike's moveset to have a more original Fire Emblem character. But there are still similarities (down b, normal b is fire based and up b has been tweaked a litte)

Lucario has Mewtwo's normal b attack. Literally the exact same. Same properties. Charge in the air, hurts people as it charges. Lucario is just a more relevant legendary Pokemon character. They'd have 4 first gen representatives if Mewtwo came back.

It makes perfect sense to think Ike and Lucario are the newer replacements and representatives for the game. If Mewtwo and Roy missed the cut by time issues, then that means Ike and Lucario were a higher priority.


But please don't say Pokemon Trainer replaced Pichu. None of us are saying that. And our arguments aren't implying that.

*facepalm*

Ike is not a slower version of Marth.

Mewtwo's Shadow Ball goes up and down after it's fired. Lucario's Aurasphere goes straight. Pretty big difference. Wait a sec...

You just called Lucario a legendary pokemon.

Don't know that much about Pokemon eh?

Besides, if Lucario is a Mewtwo clone because of the Neutral B than what about Samus? She has the same move.

 

[Second Power]

Latest Gen as of Brawl was the FOURTH generation!

Otherwise, Lucario wouldn't make it in the first place!

Wow, back it up. If Brawl came out two years later, or hell, after BW, Lucario still would've made it. He got in because he's popular. Not because of advertising, as some people think. Lucario is still promoted today. He sells.