Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

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Kinda surprised at just how much the community was able to get together, last time I checked we were at 25k.

Anyway I do hope this serves as a last big shout-out to Melee as it definitely deserves it, and even though I prefer Brawl better, to which also deserves EVO, even I have to admit the game was a tad more polished/well-rounded (though I wouldn't argue gameplay wise). Here's hoping that we won't ever see another Smash game like it again.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

[COLLAPSE="Futility"]Holy Flashbacks Batman! Talk about Deja Vu. I literally JUST had this discussion on /v/ last night. It was in a Game Grumps thread where some dude complained that fighting games are dying because they cater too much to the competitive crowd, and there should be more shallow casual fighters like the Naruto games.

Was that you? Because the way it was phrased was almost identical... Smash Bros wasn't brought up, but still.

I honestly don't understand why people have this unrelenting hatred toward Competitive Fighting games and the FGC. They are actually quite mistaken with that statement, modern fighters try to cater to the casual crowd these days more than ever before, with "Stylistic" simplified inputs, extensive tutorials covering ALL aspects of Fighting games, and challenge modes to help you practice simple combos, fighting games are easier to get into than ever before.

I honestly don't understand where this notion comes from, compare the Naruto Storm series to Street Fighter, and after around 2 hours of gameplay you become aware that the former has NO DEPTH, and all the characters play the same with different specials. Is that what you want for Smash Bros? If you run a quick comparison, you'll quickly notice Smash Bros resembles the likes of SF, BB, GG and KoF a lot more than it does the DBZ Games or the Naruto games, etc... Like it or not, Smash Bros is meant to have depth, and that's what gives it addicting replay value. If Smash played anything like the Naruto games, people would have grown bored with it ages ago.

I'll just post a link to the 4chan thread, they do a better job at addressing this issue than I will as I gotta go to work.

http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/174129593/#174136246[/COLLAPSE]

Don't bother arguing with SmashChu. He may be wrong, but you'll never get him to admit/see it.

 

[Baskerville]

Melee at EVO, Smash 4 at E3.
Its good to be a smasher.

 

[~automatic]

Genesis 3 (Melee, Brawl and 64 tournament) is right in the middle of E3 and EVO.

Feels good man.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Good year to be a Smash Fan.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Smashing indeed!

 

[~automatic]

Quite smashing.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Quite smashing.

 

[Oasis_S]

1349 was a terrible year to be a Smash fan.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Smashing. Definitely.

Today is a good day.

 

[Gene]

 

[Swamp Sensei]

That gif made my year.

 

[Moon Monkey]

E3 Is only 4 months AAAAAWWWWAAAAAAAAYYY!

 

[Diddy Kong]

This is hilarious and you should all continiue being hilarious.

 

[Deleted member]

You mean all the little boys right? C'mon, Tingle ain't not Cassanova or Don Juan, he's more like this guy imo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG-AwQAvbRo

-Get's a "special reward" for saving Pinkle, a stripperific fairy girl in Rosey Rupeeland.
-Has a game dedicated to scoring women in Love Balloon Trip.

Unless Tingle happens to be a women in drag, he's not homo.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Or he could be trying too hard.

 

[PikaJew]

I don't know how any of you can think of taking Jigglypuff out... She's a veteran... And a force to be recon with in the right hands

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Toad, if based on Super Mario Bros 2, would also be a retro addition of sorts.

So we should use a RETRO SPOT for Toad?

 

[Arcadenik]

I don't know how any of you can think of taking Jigglypuff out... She's a veteran... And a force to be recon with in the right hands

I main Jigglypuff in Melee and Brawl but I still want her out so another Pokemon could get in. The only reason I'm even maining Jigglypuff is because I liked her moveset and playstyle. I had to make the most of the roster that was handed to me, you know. If Jigglypuff is cut, I will be happy to try out new Pokemon... If she is not cut, I will simply main her again if she is still good.

 

[Arcadenik]

So we should use a RETRO SPOT for Toad?

I guess if Sheik is Zelda's retro character and Jigglypuff is Pokemon's retro character, then I guess Toad could be Mario's retro character if that's what you mean.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I guess if Sheik is Zelda's retro character and Jigglypuff is Pokemon's retro character, then I guess Toad could be Mario's retro character if that's what you mean.

That could work, yes, but it sounded like he meant as a retro character because of SMB2.

 

[peeup]

The Mario franchise just has so many more interesting options than Toad. He doesn't have a character, he's so generic. No personality compared to say Bowser Jr.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I've been playing Mario from the 80's, and I've seen Toad's personality develop through the media a lot deeper than Bowser Jr.

 

[Arcadenik]

Funny. A character isn't required to have a personality to get in Smash. Sakurai's criteria didn't say a character had to have a personality to be eligible.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

What Toad is, is a coward that likes to act like a tough guy. But when it comes down to it, he'll help his friends out.

He's also just a bit little selfish and greedy, but really does care for the princess and Mario

 

[peeup]

If the above is true, then I stand corrected. I aint played enough Mario games to know that.

 

[TheCreator]

I just wouldn't like to see Toad. He's so bland. And so is Dr. Mario.
Bowser Jr. Seems awesome, and like a high tier character. While Paper Mario would be so unique, itd be cool.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Having an actual character doesn't hurt much in the long run. Even characters like the Ice Climbers and R.O.B. have character to them.

I mean, the lack of character is the reason why Mario is so bland in pretty much everything he's in and why everyone overlooks him for someone else.

 

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Funny. A character isn't required to have a personality to get in Smash. Sakurai's criteria didn't say a character had to have a personality to be eligible.

Pretty sure having "character" is one of those common sense things that fits in with "characters people want to play as." As for the personality itself, it's entirely subjective ($5 says this is why people like Waluigi).

 

[Deleted member]

-Get's a "special reward" for saving Pinkle, a stripperific fairy girl in Rosey Rupeeland.
-Has a game dedicated to scoring women in Love Balloon Trip.

Unless Tingle happens to be a women in drag, he's not homo.

For real? That's fuggin' hilarious. Looks like it's time I give Tingle's game a spin, it's on the DS right?

Pretty sure having "character" is one of those common sense things that fits in with "characters people want to play as." As for the personality itself, it's entirely subjective ($5 says this is why people like Waluigi).

Agreed, I mean, can some one please tell me which of these Links is the REAL characterization of Link? Anyone?

 

[volbound1700]

I know this was on page 62 but I am trying to catch up, I think Spire is right about a lot of things. All the Big Splash for Brawl are 3rd parties. I didn't know Saki, Takamuru, Isaac, Ray MK, etc. before Smash.

King K. Rool is big, so is Ridley but they can't hold a candle to Megaman, Pac-Man, Simon Belmont, Bomberman, Banjo-Kazooie, Rayman, etc. Everyone knows these video game icons (especially the first two).

I believe Megaman based on comments about Capcom and Pac-Man are going to be in it. Also Sakurai isn't the only decider about Smash characters. It was Miyamoto who hinted that Sonic would be great in Smash early in the development of Brawl. If Shigeru Miyamoto goes to Sakurai and asks for a character, it will happen. Same holds true for Iwata.

Wii U focused on 3rd Party in their release, Nintendo wants to win them back from Playstation. That is something else to consider in the coming Smash Brothers.

 

[volbound1700]

I guess the problem with Pac-Man is he would be more well-known and hyped among everyone's parents (or grandparents) on here then by us lol.

 

[3Bismyname]

I believe Megaman based on comments about Capcom and Pac-Man are going to be in it. Also Sakurai isn't the only decider about Smash characters. It was Miyamoto who hinted that Sonic would be great in Smash early in the development of Brawl. If Shigeru Miyamoto goes to Sakurai and asks for a character, it will happen. Same holds true for Iwata.

well if thats the case than Pac-Man seems like a shoe in if ever i heard one. Pac-Man is Miyamoto's favorite video game character. and that makes me happy

 

[peeup]

Can someone familiar with the Pac-Man World games (or other games where he's more than just a yellow circle) share some of what his moveset could be? Like what cool things does he do? I only played the very beginning of one Pac-Man World game once very long ago.

 

[Moon Monkey]

B - Chomp - That is similar to Wario's Chomp, The only difference is that Pacman can eat non-explosive projectiles and regain life when eaten. He could even make the same sounds from the arcade when he eats fruits when he manages to to eat the projectile.

Side B - Rev Roll - Functions like Jigglypuff's Roll Out and Ike's Quick Draw.

Down B - Ghost throw - Similar to DDD's WaddleDee throw, Pac-man will throw either Pinky, Blinky, Clyde and Inky randomly. Each will have different properties in knock-back.

Up B - Pac-trail - Players can quickly draw out a trail of pellets and Pacman will follow the trail using the analog stick.
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The trail would have a limit of about 6 pellets long. After that he will fall helplessly. He will do damage to opponents that get caught as he eats the pellets and the final pellet will have a pretty decent knock back.

All moves except ghost throw can be seen in the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR6RU8Jy9oI

I'm just gonna go ahead an post this in the Pacman thread.

 

[TheCreator]

Obvious butt bounces, the rev roll, chomps.
Damn that video made me miss those games.
Cool moves like that flip heel kick he does could also be incorporated.

 

[Moon Monkey]

I see the Butt Bounce working like Toon Link's spike

 

[TheCreator]

You know. This should be in the impossible characters thread. But I'd like to see Jimmy T. From wario be playable. Lol

 

[Diddy Kong]

I wouldn't even be mad if we got MegaMan and Pac Man. Just am not all too enthusiastic about them that's all.

 

[peeup]

Yeah, agreed. I don't really care for either character that much. Never played a MegaMan game, never really played a non-Pac-Man Pac-Man game. But man do I love me some OG Pac-Man.