Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[Arcadenik]

Skyward Sword characters
Link
Zelda (separate)
Impa (inherits Sheik's moveset, separate)

Wind Waker characters
Toon Link
Toon Zelda / Tetra (to keep the transformation gimmick)
Ganondorf

I guess I could live with that.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I don't think that new game is a direct Xenoblade sequel, but it is most likely a "Xeno" game. I mean it COULD be, but just with new characters. We'll have to wait and see. I wonder if that will affect Shulk's chances at all?

I'm thinking with the Wind Waker remake (****ing awesome) there will be some sort of effect on the roster. Whether its just Toon Link making a return, or maybe actually using the Ganondorf model in this game.

The only thing I hope they don't do, is make Yoshi as a yarn character in Smash 4. I don't think I would like that...

 

[Arcadenik]

Oh, no... Yoshi is never going to be in Smash as a yarn character. The same goes for Kirby. The least we will get is one Yoshi yarn stage and one Kirby yarn stage.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Chrono: I wonder what would the F-Zero representation be like now... But at least Falcon isn't having a franchise content drought in the same brink as Ice Climbers now.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I think I will get every one of these games.

....


I need money....

Either way, so fricken hyped! The Yarn Yoshi could be a really cool alt costume! And I expect that the "Xeno" (assuming its the same series) will have some sort of representation in smash.

I have a feeling that we will get a new F-Zero soon. Nintendo Land proved that the series isn't completely dead.

 

[BKupa666]

Can someone fluent in Japanese help clarify that Sakurai tweet from a few pages back?

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

So the only confirmed new/current gen representation we can agree on is Xenoblade...

Kupa: Aw maan, I remember this one person who does, but he's gone. He at least translated the questionnaire thingie about Lip for me.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Scoliosis Jones: I'm personally hoping for Toon Ganondorf to make it. He'd be recent enough, after all. And hey, if he ends up with two swords...(something we don't have), even better.

Toon Zelda/Tetra would be cool too.(hopefully he'll use Tetra and not what was most likely Toon Sheik from the data)

 

[~automatic]

Xenoblade ain't no character I ever heard of!

EDIT: Day speak English in Xenoblade?

 

[Curious Villager]

Yeah I think Toon Ganondorf could be this smash's Ganondorf. Which I don't mind, since he's the best Ganondorf imo and I'm sure he will be using his two sword's this time if he does become playable. (Since I totally can't imagine him fighting like Captain Falcon with those clothes)

Should I make a Toon Ganondorf Support thread or maybe not... He's likely going to be called Ganondorf anyway's since I can't see them adding two Ganondorf's in Smash 4. Because that would just be overkill. So nah. Maybe I'll make a moveset for him if there doesn't exist one for him already.

 

[~automatic]

How do support threads work? And how effective are they?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Actually, he may be called Toon Ganondorf if he gets in, since he is from the Toon-specific series of games.

But yeah, go for the Support thread. The other two Ganondorfs had fine designs, but why not go for the third since the design will be relevant?

 

[Curious Villager]

Well okay. According to the Character suggestion's listing's thread. There is no Toon Ganondorf support thread yet. So I might make one sometime soon then.

I will need to replay the final battle though to get a mind refresher of all the attacks he can do... But I don't want to because of this remake and I want the whole experience to feel completely fresh and new again... I guess I'll watch some youtube video's of the final battle. ^^

I was thinking of putting it into the Ganondorf Thread from the Veterans board since I still think he will just be called Ganondorf if he appears since there is little reason to call him "Toon" Ganondorf if he ends up being the only one in smash 4. The reason Toon and Young Link were called "Toon" Link and "Young" Link was in order to differentiate them from regular Link in terms of name, and the same thing would be for "Toon" Zelda. But okay if you say so... ^^;

 

[Arcadenik]

I think it kinda makes sense why Scribblenauts had Toon Zelda (look at her hairstyle and dress), Toon Ganondorf, Beedle, and Tingle... They were in Wind Waker and the developers probably knew that it was going to get a HD remake.

Oh, and I do not want two Ganondorfs. Let's just replace Ganondorf with Toon Ganondorf and just name him "Ganondorf".

 

[Gamingboy]

I think it kinda makes sense why Scribblenauts had Toon Zelda (look at her hairstyle and dress), Toon Ganondorf, Beedle, and Tingle... They were in Wind Waker and the developers probably knew that it was going to get a HD remake.

I kind of thought it was more because WW better fit the Scribblenauts art style.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I was thinking of putting it into the Ganondorf Thread from the Veterans board since I still think he will just be called Ganondorf if he appears since there is little reason to call him "Toon" Ganondorf if he ends up being the only one in smash 4. The reason Toon and Young Link were called "Toon" Link and "Young" Link was in order to differentiate them from regular Link in terms of name, and the same thing would be for "Toon" Zelda. But okay if you say so... ^^;

I'm pretty sure it was because Toon Link is different from both Links and because he represents a specific style. Toon Ganondorf would be the same.

Also, it may be easier to name the thread that so people know what version you mean from the Start.

But anyway, that's how I see it.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Just to clarify we are getting screens no trailer for E3???

 

[Arcadenik]

I kind of thought it was more because WW better fit the Scribblenauts art style.

Not really. Look at Link. He's styled after the Link from Twilight Princess.

 

[Gamingboy]

Just to clarify we are getting screens no trailer for E3???

Who knows? Whatever it is, it'll be way more than anything else we've ever gotten.

 

[TheCreator]

I'm sure we will get a trailer.

 

[Curious Villager]

Oh, and I do not want two Ganondorfs. Let's just replace Ganondorf with Toon Ganondorf and just name him "Ganondorf".

Yeah that's what I meant. They will likely just include one Ganondorf and if it's Wind Waker Ganondorf, I see little reason to put "Toon" right behind his name.

I'm pretty sure it was because Toon Link is different from both Links and because he represents a specific style. Toon Ganondorf would be the same.

Also, it may be easier to name the thread that so people know what version you mean from the Start.

But anyway, that's how I see it.

Yeah that's what I meant as well. Young Link was called Young Link in Melee because he was the younger version of the same Link. Toon Link was called Toon Link in Brawl because he was a more cartoony version of Twilight Princess Link. They got these nicknames in order to differentiate the two from each other instead calling them all Link. But alright.

Yeah I know I should relate the thread with Toon Ganondorf specifically. ^_^ So yeah I should call him Toon Ganondorf anyway. Though I am a bit worried people may assume I'd want to see two Ganondorf's in Smash 4... >_>

Alrighty.

 

[splat]

Yeah that's what I meant. They will likely just include one Ganondorf and if it's Wind Waker Ganondorf, I see little reason to put "Toon" right behind his name.

There's also a different Zelda game in the making, in which I assume Ganon would return, too. I see little reason to grab his Wind Waker design if there's a new one drafted up.

On that subject, I think we'll be seeing some footage of this new game before we see Smash 4 footage: Link is probably going to be in the trailer with his latest design (which, at that point would be the WiiU Zelda design) and I think it'd make little sense if we see that design before we see it in the Zelda game.

 

[Curious Villager]

I don't know about that. From the way Aunuma worded it. We probably won't be seeing Zelda Wii U for quite sometime. But who know's. I'm not saying Toon Ganondorf is a guarantee. But he's more likely now. ^^

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Kikwi-Kiwi: I know what you meant earlier. I just associate the name with the artstyle and not "because he replaced the old version". But eh.

Anyway, Kuma put forth a pretty good moveset some time earlier for Toon Ganondorf's B moves.

 

[MagnesD3]

No more clones plz

 

[Curious Villager]

@Kikwi-Kiwi: I know what you meant earlier. I just associate the name with the artstyle and not "because he replaced the old version". But eh.

Anyway, Kuma put forth a pretty good moveset some time earlier for Toon Ganondorf's B moves.

Alrighty then.

Oh I would love to see that if he still has it around. If he didn't give him anything for his other animation's I guess I could try to fill them in for him.

 

[Deleted member]

Regardless of whether or not WW Ganondorf is the style for him in Smash 4 or not, he better keep the fricking Flame Choke.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yessssssssss!!!

 

[Big-Cat]

@Scoliosis Jones: I'm personally hoping for Toon Ganondorf to make it. He'd be recent enough, after all. And hey, if he ends up with two swords...(something we don't have), even better.

Toon Zelda/Tetra would be cool too.(hopefully he'll use Tetra and not what was most likely Toon Sheik from the data)

I'd be ok with both of these.

Yeah I think Toon Ganondorf could be this smash's Ganondorf. Which I don't mind, since he's the best Ganondorf imo and I'm sure he will be using his two sword's this time if he does become playable. (Since I totally can't imagine him fighting like Captain Falcon with those clothes)

He was, by far, the best Ganondorf fight in the Zelda series. The setting, the atmosphere, that urgentness, that awesome music which sounds even better orchestrated, etc. Oh, and the fact that Zelda was actually useful.

Actually, he may be called Toon Ganondorf if he gets in, since he is from the Toon-specific series of games.

It honestly depends on the direction of the series and what Smash 4 will go for. In my opinion, he will simply be called Ganondorf. Part of me can see, with a few alterations, that Toon Ganondorf would fit in Skyward Sword.

I'm pretty sure it was because Toon Link is different from both Links and because he represents a specific style. Toon Ganondorf would be the same.

Not quite. We had Toon Link as he was the most logical design choice at the time. With Melee, we only had one art style for both Links whereas Brawl had two to work with.

Oh I would love to see that if he still has it around. If he didn't give him anything for his other animation's I guess I could try to fill them in for him.

I'll see if I can find it. I might have it in the Ganondorf thread.

EDIT: Took a bit, but I found it:


B: Gerudo Flip
This is a mix of Cammy's Hooligan Combination and Akuma's Demon Flip/Hyakkishu. This move is one of Ganondorf's best ways to approach as his speed isn't great. This move starts with Ganondorf flipping in the air toward the opponent. Here are the inputs for the types of attacks he gets while in this state:

B: Stab to behind, to counter anyone trying to roll to get behind him.
Side B: Grabs the opponent's head and knocks them to the ground with a ground bounce. Counters blocking.
Down B: Does an inward strike with both swords while diving in. Counters anyone rolling back to evade.
Up B: Stabs forward, countering anyone jumping away.
A: Cancel out of the jump, can be used to counter spot dodgers. Allows you to use any attack available to you.

Doing nothing just gives you a nice forward jump.

Side B: This move is a rekka type attack like Marth's Sword Dance.
The first move is a low swing to the ground. This move is safe on block and a nice spacing tool as Ganondorf moves a bit for this move. The second hit is Ganondorf lauching the opponent into the air and then here comes the fun part. Depending on what you want to have for your reward, there are three options you can choose from:

Hit #3:
Up-Side B: Ganondorf does a fierce attack that sends the opponent straight up in the air. Used as an aerial reset as Ganondorf, and it's jump cancelable on hit.
Side B: Strong dual stab that sends the opponent flying horizontally. Used for horizontal K.O.s and to regain control of the stage. This is the strongest of the three outcomes as no mixup potential is available from this.
Down-Side B: A downward strike to the opponent. At higher percentages, this can spike. Other than that, this can be used like Side B, but with the bonus of having a tech chase.

Down B: Big Mistake
Ganondorf enters a parry stance and if attacked, he grabs the opponent, whether they're in the air or not, and does the famous choke move in Brawl. Has all of the followups you've seen in assorted mods. The biggest weakpoints for this move is that it's weak against grabs and cross-up attacks like Fox Illusion and aerials that leave the opponent out of Ganondorf's grab range.

Up B: Winds of Death
This move is essentially like MvC3 Jill's Machine Gun Spray hyper. Ganondorf takes a leap, doing a slide flip with both swords extended. If the last hit lands, you get a ground bounce.

Ganondorf is still a heavy hitter, but now he has the range, mobility options, and the mixups to compensate. He has great horizontal recovery for a heavy character, but his vertical recovery is lacking as a result.

 

[TheCreator]

Not quite. We had Toon Link as he was the most logical design choice at the time. With Melee, we only had one art style for both Links whereas Brawl had two to work with.

This is my reasoning exactly for my belief that paper mario will make it

 

[8-peacock-8]

Spoiler

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Huuum. It seems to match.

Shulk seems back on track.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Is that Shulk? If so, he'll probably be in Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

I noticed that people often talk about having a Stance fighter in Smash.
Ganondorf is easily the best option for this.
He can have two modes, Brawler Mode, in which he fights with his bare hands and dark magic, and Sword Mode, where he pulls out twin swords to fight ala Wind Waker. To add more depth, Brawler Mode puts in emphasis on his strength, while Sword Mode puts in emphasis on quick hits.

 

[splat]

This is my reasoning exactly for my belief that paper mario will make it

Difference between two Links and two Marios is that LoZ is a very timeline-heavy story. Every Link is a reincarnation of another Link, chaining the story together. It makes sense to have two Links in Smash - it fits in with the LoZ story.
Mario, on the other hand is just Mario. Paper Mario also hints at other games quite a lot, putting them in the same universe/time as the other Mario games.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Shulk should be in.

 

[Diddy Kong]

My Zelda roster prediction:

SS Link
SS Zelda / SS Impa
WW Link
WW Zelda / Tetra
WW Ganondorf

Sheik's style gets spiritually replaced in Impa and Tetra. Tetra is very fast, and throws daggers instead of Needles, and Impa is a more defensive 'Sheik' with magical effects on moves, like Lucario and Lucas.

Would even like to have Demise, with a moveset being a mix between Brawl's Ganondorf and Demise's boss battle in Skyward Sword. As I expect Wind Waker's Ganondorf to be almost completely different.

If Demise would be in, he should have a DLC costume for OoT's Ganondorf (replacing his lightning wave attack with a darkness wave attack, same attack basically outside of aestics). Sheik and OoT Zelda are also a DLC costume for either SS or Toon Zelda. And OoT Link and Young Link are costumes for the Links as well.

However, I do think they'll have clones on the roster because of this.

 

[Curious Villager]

That's a very interesting moveset you made KumaOso. I like it a lot. I don't think I'll be able to come up with something as creative as your's. Great job!

@Diddy Well if they give SS Link a moveset more aking to Skyward sword while they keep Toon Link traditionaly how all Link's have been in Smash since he has the boomerang and all. I'm sure the two of them can be at least Luigified. Same goes for Toon Zelda, add some flavour from the Toon Zelda of Minish Cap and Spirit Tracks and she should be at least Luigified too... ^^; At least I hope...

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Super Smash Bros 4 will be playable at E3

YES!

My Zelda roster prediction:

SS Link
SS Zelda / SS Impa
WW Link
WW Zelda / Tetra
WW Ganondorf

Sheik's style gets spiritually replaced in Impa and Tetra. Tetra is very fast, and throws daggers instead of Needles, and Impa is a more defensive 'Sheik' with magical effects on moves, like Lucario and Lucas.

Would even like to have Demise, with a moveset being a mix between Brawl's Ganondorf and Demise's boss battle in Skyward Sword. As I expect Wind Waker's Ganondorf to be almost completely different.

If Demise would be in, he should have a DLC costume for OoT's Ganondorf (replacing his lightning wave attack with a darkness wave attack, same attack basically outside of aestics). Sheik and OoT Zelda are also a DLC costume for either SS or Toon Zelda. And OoT Link and Young Link are costumes for the Links as well.

However, I do think they'll have clones on the roster because of this.

Replace Toon Zelda with Ghirahim and we have a winner

 

[FlareHabanero]

No, Mario Kart will be playable at E3. Super Smash Bros. will not.