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Yeah, when Deoxys, Lyn, Little Mac, etc. were Pokeball'd and AT'd I was disappointed, but by the time Ray MK and especially Isaac were confirmed as ATs I was just relieved they were in the game at all (IIRC they were revealed after the final roster was leaked, though I could be wrong), because I thought they missed the game entirely.
Toad is already part of Peach's moveset so i don't think he will be his owb character
Good to hear that's the case. I was very worried about Sonic and Snake being cut, but it's nice to see Sakurai think positively of them after all of these years. This gives me a good feeling about them. Perhaps cuts will be avoided after all?Starphoenix said:
People still use this as a detractor? Easy solution: make Toad playable, give Peach Toadsworth.
He was likely referring to how Toad's acceptance within the Smash community grew as did his supporters due to the game. I think the NSMBWii factor is overrated, but I see where he's coming from here.
Already said that in the Iwata Asks. To tell the truth, the more recent news just confirms what a lot of us have already knew/speculated.
Bias? Well that depends, he has said that he tries to put other people's series higher in priority than his, hense no Kirby newcomers until Brawl.
or no ?? ??? ????????? which didn't make me final list, & may not make it at all.
I understand that he did speak positively of his experience with Sonic and Snake just after Brawl was released, it just that I wasn't sure if that same attitude would carry on four years from now and may see Sonic and Snake as disposable due to being third-party. Thankfully, the recent article seem to confirm that he sees them more than just your typical guests, which is why it restored my hopes in them returning.
He definitely wants to avoid being too biased with Kirby, especially after all the criticism he got with Brawl for SSE. I'm not sure if his fear of bias would extend to other series, though. That said, I think with Saki and Palutena, Sakurai could justify potential bias for them, especially given that he didn't create these series and they both have good reasons to be in.
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It's going to happen. Sin and Punishment: Star Successor is not only one of the ciritically best received games for the Wii, as a stage it brings unique gameplay opportunities that Sakurai typically gravitates towards. Plus, being on the Wii versus the DS also makes implementation easier.
I think it's a very big assumption to make that S&P will receive a stage no matter what, even if it doesn't get playable representation. Sure, there is a pretty decent chance of S&P getting a character (probably Saki) and then getting a stage to reflect the series, but firstly I think the chance of getting a stage without a playable character to correspond to it is unlikely (I'll expand on that in a minute) and secondly, I think that assuming a stage from an unrepresented series such as Sin & Punishment (which has alot of points for it, but also has alot that hinders it) is inevitable is a fairly big hyperbole, even considering Sakurai's bias.
It's not a big assumption at all. If I said that about Saki, then yeah you'd have a point.
There was a time before Brawl back during the days of Nsider where no one believed that a stage would ever not be associated with a character, so when Smashville was revealed on the DOJO it led to a great many arguments and debates. We all found out it could happen. Just because something was true for Brawl does not mean it won't happen in the next game. Yes, precedent is always the better leg to stand on, but it isn't the only one. Just because something hasn't happened does not mean it will not.
Like I said previously Sakurai looks for stages that bring unique atmospheres and gameplay mechanics. Star Successor definitely brings that to the table. Since graphically fidelity is going to be a bigger deal with the Wii U, such a stage makes sense. The Sin and Punishment stage likely fill the F-Zero stage role in being a futuristic-y stage that will, probably, follow along some kind of on-rail path. How exactly Sakurai will do that? Have no clue.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to downplay Sin & Punishment as a series, the fact that it would make an interesting and appealing stage, or its character chances, I just think it's not on the same level as something like Animal Crossing or the Nintendo DS, which even without playable representation, still has enough popularity and importance to warrant a stage. Sin & Punishment really doesn't have the audience capacity that the two others do, so if a stage without playable representation was to be included, it would most likely be due to Sakurai's bias (unless for some reason precedent changes and Sakurai includes stages from multiple unrepresented series). While Sakurai's bias is a good way to increase the chances of something (it might have been why we got an Electroplankton stage, which I'm still not sure why we got, and honestly weakens my argument here
) I don't believe it is enough of a factor to cause something like a Sin & Punishment stage to become inevitable. You're right. Technically it could happen, there might be a chance we will receive a stage from a series that doesn't have a corresponding viable character to go along with it. But I think it's just that, a chance, not a guarantee, as you seem to think. While precedent can change, I believe the fact that it hasn't so far in the Smash series proves that even though there is the possibility of it changing, without any evidence yet in that favor, it is still a large assumption to make that it, without doubt, will change.
Probably, though with Metal Gear he focused on the humorous aspects of series (cardboard, !, and talking with teammates). So it really depends on the series.And I wouldn't worry about Sakurai getting it to fit in Smash style, after what he managed to do with a series like Metal Gear, like you said, I'm confident he'd be able to get pretty much anything to fit if he really tried.
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Also, I'm not into all the Tekken characters in PSABR, though they do fit among most of those characters more than among Nintendo ones. Ryu Hayabusa I could go either way on, but it's both funny and sad to see how much they're relying on 3rd parties.
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Me too.
Yeah, him being able to fit anything is a bit of an exaggeration (something I just argued with Star about doingProbably, though with Metal Gear he focused on the humorous aspects of series (cardboard, !, and talking with teammates). So it really depends on the series.
Tekken would probably be like Metal Gear, serious but has the humor there as well. Ninja Gaiden, as much as I'd hate to say, wouldn't fit that, the series doesn't have any really lighthearted moments even in the original NES series (although the DoA games do have their moments...
) but I think most of the characters and series that actually have a chance Sakurai would be able to make fit pretty well, or at least decently. Honestly, aesthetically I thought the Metal Gear stuff fit even better than some of those 8-bit ATs. And although I'm really against it, he probably would find a way to get a Tekken character to fit in at least decently with the rest of Smash.
