Deva
Smash Lord
Yeah, if there's anyone here, just pretty much discuss the greatness that was Link in melee. He sucked, but we made him good. Here we can discuss how we did it and the memories that made it worth the time.
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Im glad another Link main is Melee>Brawl. I haven't played brawl seriously in a while, I keep practicing melee though. Just dont play brawl to much Deva, it'll screw up your melee game. Yea, I agree, Can it be melee time now? ya know, the better more skilled game? the one where you have to work to win.Well, this thread's just here for the long period of time befor people start coming back, if they do. I still play melee too, it just has so much more to offer. But still, gotta keep the fans happy ya know. So I have to play brawl regardless. It's nice though, cuz even though Link still sucks, I've been able to place top 5 at every regional tournament I've been to. I've only been able to do that once with Link in Melee.
Are you saying they're as good as m2k, Cort and PC? I'm just saying the top 5 in tournaments I go to are populated by extremely good players and beating them with Link is almost out of the question. I can still beat the average player at Brawl while using Link, it just so happens that doing so isn't enough for me to place very well.^^
whoa, calm down, lol. Yeah, Eggz, Silent wolf, Kamaji, Bladewise, they all suck....>_>. Apparently they're not good or I'd be losing horribly with Link right? XD
List moves Link has that hit through tornado aside from the bomb. Meta spams upB at higher %s to KO, not at low %s because the move decay would make it bad at KOing. If the metas you play aren't spamming B moves they aren't doing it right.Anyways, what crappy metaknights are you playing? Spamming B? That's good, but really easy to punish. If the Meta was half competent he'd be spamming up-B. It combos out of most moves he has, has good range, priority, a good cancel that you can attack out of instantly and use similarly to Fox's shine from melee, and gimps characters like crazy since the distance it covers is so great most players second jump after a hit. Heck, I beat Eggz's meta at the last regional. It's not impossible. You just have to think...>_>.
You know what the real problem is? you hate Brawl so much that you won't even give it enough of a chance to use your wits playing Link. I mean, Melee is waaaay better, and I can't blame you. It would seem pretty much impossible if your using a melee style. But that's the thing, Melee Link is not Brawl Link. Chip said when he played you you played really smart but didn't use any of the strategies that made Link playable. That's why it seems so impossible. If we can sit down sometime I'll show you what works. He'll still suck, but like in melee, he'll be playable. Heck, if worst comes to worst, use TL, he's fun to use, a form of Link, and if played right has the potential to be the best.
Exactly, spam is still the best strategy. Everyone said Brawl teams could be good, lol. Me and Thorn also figured out a move that would allow for two falcos to shoot a crazy amount of lasers by having one falco do FJ quad lasers and another one in front hopping the last laser while doing SHDLs. It's mindbogglingly annoying to get through such laser spam (especially because we figured out other variations to prevent ground approaches).Teams are weird. Chip and I set up this thing where I stand behind him and full jump arrow second jump arrow land repeat, while he SHDA's in front of me with TL. We call it spam wall, lol. Almost impossible to approach.
That'd be pretty awesome. It's too bad FC was cancelled for this summer. Maybe another big tourny is coming around?I really wish we could play eachother in melee sometime. Epic Link ditto ftw lol. Hopefully FC3'll come around soon.
Well, there's not much logic to base that on since this is a new game. You can't base it off melee standards. EC and WC haven't played eachother in any national tournaments yet, so there's no telling who is really good. I'm sure PC, m2k and them are good, or else they would not be winning tournaments, but same goes for the guys I see winning here on WC. It just seems ignorant to make a statement of who'se the best or even good when neither coast has played eachother. I mean for all we know, EC could **** WC to the point where it's not even a competition, or vice versa. I've been placing relatively high imo. I mean, 5th at a 50 person tournament with players that are considered good on WC and beating some of them is pretty good. I really don't think you have a firm grasp of Brawl Link if you play him so much with the melee playstyle, it really doesn't work. And your constant hatred of Brawl leads me to believe you haven't really been trying to get very good with Link. Again, I agree, it's really not worth it while melee's so much better, and I try to attend melee tournaments every opportunity I get, but I really think that's the reason Brawl hasn't been working out for you is for that reason, forcing you to resort to using characters that take no skill to be good since that's pretty much how Brawl works. They're really only broken on a basic level though. It's like Link vs Sheik in melee. Link still is at a huge advantage, but at higher levels of play he had a chance.Are you saying they're as good as m2k, Cort and PC? I'm just saying the top 5 in tournaments I go to are populated by extremely good players and beating them with Link is almost out of the question. I can still beat the average player at Brawl while using Link, it just so happens that doing so isn't enough for me to place very well.
Lol, you don't need much more than bomb. Always keep one in hand and through proper spacing it isn't very difficult to beat a meta that relys on B. up-b isn't generally meant to be a KO move, more so as a combo link and a gimping attack. D-smash is used more often for the kill. If you attack out of the glide, you also have no lag, whereas the B has a little that is easy enough to punish since you know generally when it will end. The only reason I think you don't understand this is that on WC we used to use B a lot too. Recently we've found up-b to be more effective. This match does a pretty good job of showing why.List moves Link has that hit through tornado aside from the bomb. Meta spams upB at higher %s to KO, not at low %s because the move decay would make it bad at KOing. If the metas you play aren't spamming B moves they aren't doing it right.
I'm sure you do, but you hate the game and subconsciously I'm pretty sure it's affecting your gameplay whether or not you admit it. I only say this because of how good you were at melee, and if you really tried you could pull it off in Brawl too, or else I doubt I would have been able to either. In melee, it took a little more tech skill, but it's really no different from Falco or Sheik in melee. In fact, Falco's like a perfect Hybrid. A character with Falco's lasers, cept a little better, and Sheik's combos, which were almost as easy to pull off in melee.I do use my wits when I play Link, I just happen to do better when I spam lasers and CG like a robot. Brawl shouldn't reward me for doing such a simple thing.
Well, again, In melee Link was all about reactions at higher levels of play. In Brawl it's similar, but there is a much greater emphasis on approach for Link. This is why I think you haven't given him enough time to understand his new playstyle.You yourself said online is nigh unplayable. Using reactions to stop moves doesn't work online since the delay makes stopping an attack with one of higher priority nearly impossible. My style is one of reacting to what happens, since Link's approach game is so weak, and online messes with that pretty badly.
Well, based on this statement, I'd say our discussion has little or no meaning as it completely changes the reasons for what has been stated. Lol, this actually reminds me of a discussion I had recently with HugS. I guess you're kinda like him in that sense. You play the game and get enjoyment based on the playstyle you initially feel from a character. I play based on the character and adapt the playstyle to my own needs. But again, based on that, our past discussion is now based on a completely different view, so my past statements hold little relevence.Toon Link is good, but I hated puff in Melee. If anything I'm going to start using Falco, Snake and Wolf more. In Melee I wasn't a Link user just because he was Link (though I love the Legend of Zelda as much as the next guy), it was mostly because I found that my style worked well with Link and he let me play to my potential. I played Link long before I knew about smashboards because of this, and I still liked the way he worked even when I found he was low tier. I found playing Link fun and it worked. In Brawl I still like using Link, but other characters also fit my style, so I use them too.
Yeah, Brawl teams are annoying. Either insane spam or a crazy Meta bat outa hell lol. ^_^Exactly, spam is still the best strategy. Everyone said Brawl teams could be good, lol. Me and Thorn also figured out a move that would allow for two falcos to shoot a crazy amount of lasers by having one falco do FJ quad lasers and another one in front hopping the last laser while doing SHDLs. It's mindbogglingly annoying to get through such laser spam (especially because we figured out other variations to prevent ground approaches).
Yeah, I really hope there's another large melee tournament soon. Melee Link ftw. Blue at that lol.That'd be pretty awesome. It's too bad FC was cancelled for this summer. Maybe another big tourny is coming around?
Unless Marth's fair can hit through the tornado you played wrong. You also attacked Marth's shield using moves that aren't the tornado. The tornado is the anti-shield and brawl is a shield camping game, think about it. Spacing fairs doesn't work on marth's shield, nothing meta has but the tornado really does. Each time you hit his shield you should have been grabbed, smashed, faired or hit by an up B.Wow, **** you Skler, if "good" Meta Knights on EC spam tornado they're really bad. This is what they should be doing:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EZhaTkaBfbQ <--- second half i was playing bad
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xdGjaYkLN3g <--- HOLY ****ING ****
Eggz is ****ing **** too.
I heard M2K hated brawl and sold his copy. But I feel your pain, anytime I even try to think while playing brawl I get in way more trouble than usual. If I just . Dare i say it, BUTTON MASH, I have way more of a chance of winning.No offense, but who goes to those brawl tournaments? The ones near me have people like m2k, Cort and PC. Cort is pretty much the best Snake, m2k is the best DDD and PC is an amazing whatever the hell he picks (usually snake). Beating them with Link is pretty much impossible, actually it's brawl so it is impossible unless they SD a few times. Good players using top tier characters don't lose to Link. My Link isn't bad or anything, it can beat plenty of people, I just would rather not think at all and have a better chance of winning.
Brawl is just depressing, I can not think and hit the b button with a bunch of characters and win, or I can think and use a bunch of different moves and have more of a chance of losing. The lameness involved is astounding. Melee is roughly 10000 times better.
I'd still like to play online though. My Link is pretty old school (plays pretty much the same way it did since the start) but it still does its thing. I don't even like Link dittos in brawl since it resorts to camping the exact same way, unless one person wants to approach to make it fun.
Edit: I'm going to mass madness, don't worry!
Remember? I STILL do that, though it's at the college. Also it's from 1 to 7 <.<;Stos said:What an epic conversation two Link players had begun.
LOL that was a good read though, lmfao @ Deva's and SKler's convo.
Anyways.
The best part of my smash career was getting better with Link. I remeber playing smash everyday right
when i get back from school. Playing against all my friend from 4 pm to like 7pm straight. Also I
remember sharing videos here on smashboards and asking for help.
Psht, I'm more dissapointed by the lack of knockback. The spike was nice, but the knockback was the bread and butter of "Spin outta shield".Stos said:btw, Link swallows in Brawl, the fact that the "Scrah" spike is gone it ruins the whole purpose of the Spin
Attack.