Religion: what is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Huah!

[Rici]

Hahahaha, look at the first 3 lines. "Anyone other than a police officer that removes this notice from here will face the Judge for it! It will be their doom!"

I wanna be a police officer now. They don't get send to hell. AND they can rip off notices from walls.

Also, do police officers go to hell if they buy a movie ticket?

 

[Jammer]

Pikachunoob, just wondering, where in the Bible does it say not to use contraceptives?

I've never seen anything like that, and you seem so sure that using them is a sin.

 

[RDK]

Also, do police officers go to hell if they buy a movie ticket?

If it's to see a cheesy Hollywood cop flick, I don't think that applies to them.

 

[Zink]

Pikachunoob, just wondering, where in the Bible does it say not to use contraceptives?

I've never seen anything like that, and you seem so sure that using them is a sin.

Look up onanism (sp?). it's a term related to this, which should help you find supporting passages.
ps: PA, you won't get any responses with what is essentially a troll post.

 

[straight8]

Straight8, that last two sentences there are setting you up for a lot of backlash.

Yeah. def. The boards are being taken over by atheists

Pikachunoob, just wondering, where in the Bible does it say not to use contraceptives?

I've never seen anything like that, and you seem so sure that using them is a sin.

Yeah, the bible definitley says that.. nowhere. So it isn't a sin. I don't think it is. sex is for pleasure to, and catholicism misses that.

I don't know, I get weirded out when people stereotype christians, call people christians who don't represent christianity, and then call christians stupid, dumb people.

First, those tv preachers and people who say God will **** you if you don't repent, that is not true. If you don't accept forgiveness, God can't be wth, you and that's why you can't go to heaven. God doesn't stand around with a bat waiting to hit you when you mess up.

And people who say stuff like "I see God's will in you" may be faking spirituality, they may not be. It isn't for you to judge if those people are genuine or not.

Also, why do you call christians dumb? If you are christian, you are still human, you just have hope. Everyoe has a spirit and the ability to know God. And if you thinkit is stupid to not ignore your longing for something more than what's on this earth, then you are just a weird person. In case you haven't noticed, nothing on the earth can satisfy you for long. A girl, money, friends, they are all nice, but after a while, they just want something more. The reason for this is that we aren't meant to be satisfied fully on earth. If we were satisfied completely here, why would we need God? I actually prayed about this and learned this, because I was kind of depressed because nothing was satisfying to me. Which brings me to this: God will answer your prayers. God wants you to ask him stuff, for real. I'll just pray something like, why did you not let me go to (such an event)? Sometimes, I'll get an answerimmediately, sometimes I'll have to wait.. but I know you can talk to God. I do it.

 

[commonyoshi]

Because when the bible was written, suicide was a pretty black/white issue. These gray areas are valid points that are not addressed in scripture. That's why you have to draw your own conclusions instead of trying to live your life literally from the book.

If Moses was given a law for every single situation that could ever occur, he would have never, ever come down from the mountain. ^_^
I agree with just reading the Bible and making rational choices for yourself. Jesus said something about this in Matthew when he criticized the people for condemning the innocent.

That's good to know. Anyways I ahve a grasp of german so I knew about the gesundheit thing. Not to mention in italian we reply to sneeze with "salute", which happens to mean "health".

Interesting. Would that be "salud" instead of salute? Because that's "health" in Spanish.

Religion is good for giving cowards false hope and idiots wrong answers. I'd go as far as to say all religion is harmful, but I don't think Buddhism and similar religions hurt anyone... Except maybe Buddhists. (Jaines too).

Funny, because before I became a Christian I never wondered where I went after I died, nor did I need "answers in life" because I never even had any questions to begin with. My life didn't need saving in the sense that I was a depressed, unhappy child. I never though "Hey, this will bring order to my life" when I first converted. In fact, I didn't think anything other than this was the truth and I needed to follow it.

I think you might need to rethink your generalizations.

I've never understood where theists stand with their beliefs. They really have no compelling reason to continue believing them other than that they always have, with the exception of a few crazy ****s like Bush who are convinced God speaks to them on a regular basis.

I've never taken drugs or alcohol, I've never hit my head severely, and my family is completely clean as far as mental illness goes. And yet I do, as in currently, admit to having divine experiences. Now when I experience them I'm not worked up into a frenzy at some religious event. Most of the time I get them when I am sitting alone at home reading my Bible. It's not like I expect them to happen either. They just come on their own, and there is no doubt that it is God. I'd hardly call myself crazy or desperate.

You dont have to take my word for it and suddenly convert, but again, just re-examine what you might have considered an impossibility because I am testifying right now as someone who breaks the normal. Oh, and the divine revelations aren't like conversations, exacltly. I dont think I can speak with God like I would my friends. It's... impossible... to describe.

Praying and churchgoing are to me the same as throwing salt over your shoulder or avoiding walking under ladders (Except that avoiding walking under ladders is good practice for avoiding falling items). Really, the Christian God seems like a small, simple God in comparison to the vast, inconceivable wonder that is the universe in which we reside. Of course, our world is more magnificent and strange than any fictional author could imagine, so it's no wonder that the Bible hasn't withstood the test of time and is easily questioned 2000 years later by superior knowledge.

I know this wont offend you so I'll just go right out and say it. Of course praying would be worthless to you, and any unbeliever, because you dont know God. Praying isn't like God's genie service. It's a time to focus on God and hopefully you may even get some sort of divine direction.

Now about people who are Christians and pray but recieve nothing ever so they stop believing. I hear many examples of children who pray about their parents, and when they dont get what they wish for, turn away. Praying for stuff to happen and not recieving what you want shouldn't be a reason to turn against God. This has alredy been answered when the apostle Paul was going through some sort of trial, and God didn't save him from it. "My grace is sufficient for you."

I do, however, wonder why God doesn't answer the prayer of people who already have believed, desperately want to believe, and are starting to turn away when they ask for some sort of evidence that He exists. It doesn't have to be big, just some sort of mental nudge would suffice. For that, I dont have a real answer. I dont know why God chose me when I never expected or wanted it and why He didn't choose others. I am just eternally thankful.

 

[Jammer]

Look up onanism (sp?). it's a term related to this, which should help you find supporting passages.

This has to do with a story in the Bible (in Genesis) where Onan, the son of Judah, has sex with Tamar.

Onan had sex with her, but he ejaculated on the ground, so that he couldn't impregnate her, because she was his brother's widow and he didn't want any sons he couldn't claim as his own (they would be Er's, his dead brother's, heirs).

First of all, Onan wasn't even married to her, and second of all, he was punished by God for disobedience, not his contraceptive technique. Brothers were supposed to have sex with their dead brothers' wives to give their dead brothers male offspring if they didn't already have any, but Onan went against that commandment.

Seriously, where did the Catholics get all that contraceptive stuff from this simple story of disobedience and punishment?

 

[Zink]

there's an alternate interpretation there.
I might need to dig it up myself. hold on.

 

[pikachun00b7]

Jammer, not every sin needs to be mentioned in the bible. It has not been updated for 2000 years. So we all know that it is prepared to handle todays issues.
Some sins have to be added logically.
But there probably is something in the Bible about. Give me some time. I will try to find it.

 

[RazeveX]

WARNING: POORLY STRUCTURED RANT AND RAMBLING OF DISLIKE FOR SOME ASPECTS OF RELIGION AHEAD

PROCEED WITH CAUTION


me gots a question.

If god has rules to set to us that are so important, why wouldnt he just tell us? Otherwise, they cant be that important right?

If there really was a god, hes just playing a game with all of us. If he really cared if we loved thy neighbour, or committed adultery, he would come down and eliminate any doubts, right? I mean, HE IS GOD, so it cant be THAT hard to talk to us...

and to think that theres a hell by this logic! Thats like not doing an assignment in class because the teacher didnt tell you to, and then getting strapped to a pole and whipped because of it. IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE. Also, god cant expect us to be nice if he isnt (ie. Killing many people, being selfish (it says in the bible) etc.)

But hey, its not like any of us will change anyone elses minds. I dont mind if people believe in these things, but if anyone in here does, please read these 2 questions.
1. Would you to even try to force your beliefs on me? (if so, dont. EVER.)
2. Would you call a person who believed in ghosts crazy? They have the same evidence. How about leprechauns or pixies?

I;m not trying to lower anyones beliefs, but if you're offended by having god related to pixies, you are a hypocrite. Think about it. I have no sensitivity of your feelings until you change that.

I guess i sound pretty angry...but the truth is...i am. At school we have this thing called BOOM on wednesday lunchtime where you get free food, free drinks, watch movies, and play video games. BUT you have to stay for a 15 minute story about jesus yadayadayada at the end which isnt mentioned at all (they lock the doors. i got caught in one once, and it was the scariest ****ing thing ever). I would only come for the first 10 minutes, so it took me weeks before i realized they were a religious....cult shall i say?

Also, i'm in a band, and before i knew about the religion thing, we wanted to play at the boom gigs (they have gigs). I gave the guy my number. BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER. He wouldnt stop calling me about how i should go first and how great church is. I went to their website, and it told me how effective the christian rock (advertised as rock) gigs were, and how many new kids it sucked in to it.

Also, we HAD to do RE (religious education) in primary school. FROM AGE 5. THAT IS FUUUUCKING WRONG. They teach it all as fact, and children have no way of knowing the difference between factual education (like maths) and theoretical education. They are taught that everything they learn at school is right, and are extremely suggestible. THANK GOD (lol irony) i didnt listen in RE, or else i might have been religious without knowing why.

Those kids then go on to complete the cycle, not knowing why they believe these things and forcing their beliefs on others.

Peace,

H1roshi

 

[Colino]

Yeah. def. The boards are being taken over by atheists

I find that somewhat offensive since it sounds negative, and if I wanted to follow that road I would say:

Yeah def, the world is being taken over by the church

Yeah, the bible definitley says that.. nowhere.

Ask any priest what there position on contraceptives is, I doubt they'll say they love them.

So it isn't a sin. I don't think it is. sex is for pleasure to, and catholicism misses that.

How about sex for love? Catholicism misses that as well..

Interesting. Would that be "salud" instead of salute? Because that's "health" in Spanish.

Spanish and Italian are very similar languages, especially in the verb department.

Also, I have to agree with RazeveEx regarding religious education AKA brainwashing.

 

[Jammer]

Ask any priest what there position on contraceptives is, I doubt they'll say they love them.

Wait, are you saying that Catholic people should just do whatever their priests tell them to, without caring if it's in the Bible or not? That you don't need a book, chapter, and verse if your priest "knows" what the answer is?

That's so silly that I think I must not be understanding you, Colino.

 

[Bedi Vegeta]

Heh, that's kind of interesting. Some people think that saying the word "God", when you're not actually talking about God, is what using his name in vain is.

Uh. Think about that for a minute. "Using God's name in vain"...that literally means using it in an irreverent or meaningless/trivial manner. You kinda contradicted yourself there.

 

[Colino]

Wait, are you saying that Catholic people should just do whatever their priests tell them to, without caring if it's in the Bible or not? That you don't need a book, chapter, and verse if your priest "knows" what the answer is?

That's so silly that I think I must not be understanding you, Colino.

no, you got me wrong there. I was simply stating what someone else already said, meaning the catholic religion isn't just the bible, since it hasn't been "updated" in 2000 years.

Please don't get me started on priests

 

[Keitaro]

2. Would you call a person who believed in ghosts crazy? They have the same evidence. How about leprechauns or pixies?

Wow, I'd love to see someone argue upon this statement with him. Well, I think I'll try.

There's a difference though. People who believe in ghosts have what evidence? Evidence over religion may seem kinda hollow especially by the fact most of it was written in a bible hundreds of years ago by biblicle prophets "humans themselves" and is not really the direct word from God.

My pastor even told me in a religion study we had that the people who wrote the bible exagerated on stories to make it more religious sounding. The moment I heard that my religious beliefs began to be very open >_> I still believe but you will not see me reading any bibles anytime soon.

 

[Kyd]

I agree with Keitaro. The bible was written by man, and most of it is running on the same purposes as a fairy tale, to help teach morals and faith. I have a problem with many christians in the hipocracy department and they follow the Bible to the letter, taking every phrase, sentence and word literally.

Believing in a higher being is mostly mindstate. Religion is good and bad at the same time, and everyone could go without it if they truly tried, but their life seems easier with the belief that they live on a greater plan to be in the presence of a greater being. I personally have no specific religious preference, I've followed christianity and atheism, and I've studied others like Hinduism and Islam. Religion helps people get on with their lives but everything comes at a cost, because religion has also been used as a reason to destroy the lifestyles of others throughout history.

on a side note: I do believe in ghosts

 

[Jammer]

Uh. Think about that for a minute. "Using God's name in vain"...that literally means using it in an irreverent or meaningless/trivial manner. You kinda contradicted yourself there.

Yeah, I worded that really badly. I meant to say what you said, but it came out all garbled. I, for one, don't say "Oh my God" or "God bless you" or whatever. It's not a habit, like it is for many people.

I remember being made fun of in middle school because I never said "oh my God". Can you imagine that? I've also been teased for not swearing, or, when I was swearing in 6th grade to try to fit in, for swearing awkwardly. Looking back, that seems just silly.

Oh, and Colino: K, glad that's all cleared up.

And I believe in God but not ghosts. In fact, I don't even believe in "guardian angels" or whatever.

And another thing: So let me get this straight: Catholicism isn't based on the Bible because the Bible is old and obsolete? So they've made some stuff up themselves? I'm not trying to make a point; I'm just asking a question.

 

[straight8]

Yeah, I worded that really badly. I meant to say what you said, but it came out all garbled. I, for one, don't say "Oh my God" or "God bless you" or whatever. It's not a habit, like it is for many people.

I remember being made fun of in middle school because I never said "oh my God". Can you imagine that? I've also been teased for not swearing, or, when I was swearing in 6th grade to try to fit in, for swearing awkwardly. Looking back, that seems just silly.

Oh, and Colino: K, glad that's all cleared up.

And I believe in God but not ghosts. In fact, I don't even believe in "guardian angels" or whatever.

And another thing: So let me get this straight: Catholicism isn't based on the Bible because the Bible is old and obsolete? So they've made some stuff up themselves? I'm not trying to make a point; I'm just asking a question.

Yeah, I never say "God bless you". I just don't want to. And Sometimes I say Oh my God, but sometimes when it slips out like that I am actually speaking to God, and saying it for real.

Angels do exist, I mean, that's a big part of the Bible. Also, Humans were set up as higher than angels, and we were given the choice between trusting in God and ignoring him.

Really, I think Catholicism has done some weird stuff. I don't like any church where you do stuff like repitition of prayers, or anything. If you want to know right and wrong, look to the Bible, and no where else. Seriously, every issue of right and wrong is addressed in the bible. But when people go beyond that and start putting up extra rules for what you should or should not do, then that is wrong, especially when church leaders do it.

Basically, every person has a different right and wrong. I mean, besides everything that is in the bible. If you believe that you can watch R-rated movies and it isn't bad, then it is right for you. If you believe drinking is bad for you and you don't want to do it, it is bad for you. Sometimes, there is something that is not good for someone of influence in a church and is not bad for otheres, and that person will try to impose that on others. Doing this is very bad, because people with influence can hurt a lot of people with untruth.

This is all in the bible, btw.

Oh yeah, and the world is not being taken over by the church. The church is not the group of physical children, it is the group of all christians. If you are some corrupt leader of a church who preaches that says (this actually happened) that the young women of the church should take care of the elders sexual needs, then you are in trouble. With God. Actually, Cynics and atheists are taking over the media. which sucks.

Also, priests don't tell you what's right and wrong: the bible does.
Lastly, the bible is not some outdated historical document. What has changed from right and wrong from Jesus death to today? nothing. I'm pretty sure thqat God would have been wise enough to give us something that lasts throughout time, and he did.

Lastly, if you call the bible a fairy tale, you are dumb. If you have ever read the Old testament, it is like the Israelites killing everybody.

 

[Jammer]

Angels do exist, I mean, that's a big part of the Bible. Also, Humans were set up as higher than angels, and we were given the choice between trusting in God and ignoring him.

Oh, I know they exist in heaven. I meant I don't believe they are flitting around on Earth or really interfering at all with things on Earth.

Other than that, I am greatly surprised and amused to see that I agree with absolutely everything else you wrote, straight8. That is a very strange feeling in this thread.

Except for the part where you called people who believe the Bible is like a fairy tale dumb. They're not dumb, just skeptical, I guess, which is often the opposite thing.

 

[Red Exodus]

I'm glad atheists are taking over media, no one needs to have some random religion shoved down their throats because it sounds better. I can't imagine how muslims and other not as famous religion-followers when they are frowned upon for not being Christian.

Religion should not be something you wave around so freely, it's a big 'F you' to people that don't follow that religion. So rather than just following one religion and pissing off everyone that doesn't believe in it, keeping all the religious crap out would work out much better.

Religion is much too taboo to be something you just broadcast without a second thought.

NOTE: When I say I'm glad atheists are taking over media it doesn't mean I want the to spam "There is no God!" it means that they will not even consider trying to force any religion on anyone.

 

[KrystalRules]

I surely hope you're not insinuating that atheists are incapable of love.
Well, which is it? Do you believe in the afterlife, or do you hope for it. I'm an atheist and I hope for an afterlife. I really do. I hope I'm wrong and that there is an afterlife, it would be awesome. I think far too many people confuse hoping for something and actually believing it.

Atheist are capable of love...but most disfunctional families are nonchristians...its true multiple studies show that. which there are five different loves...all from greek(not sure of the greek words for all of them but i'll try my best.)and im sure you dont want an afterlife because sadly(yes sadly) it will be spent in He'll(i dont want to see anyone suffer that fate)


Agape: unconditional love(only God is capable of that)
Eros: Sexual attraction(not lust)
Philia: Brotherly love; friendly love
Im not totally sure what the other one is called. something like Thelema: this is basically lust.
Storge: like mother to child(not unconditional)

Atheist are not capable of feeling agape. Christians on the other hand can feel it but they cant love something with that kind of love. most atheist cant or will never experience TRUE divine Storge love...thats the differences between a christian feeling love and an atheist feeling love

and i just read that the Bible was overexagerrated...you all are insane..do a study on it with history outside the Bible and compare it to the Bible...it proves the Bible doesnt ovr exagerrate! the Bible really doesnt sound all that religious..it is more like a history book with no lies!

here is a website to prove the bible:
http://www.creatingfutures.net/validity.html

for you that are christians and believe what im arguing against you should be ashamed!

 

[Jammer]

Agape: unconditional love(only God is capable of that)
Eros: Sexual attraction(not lust)
Philia: Brotherly love; friendly love
Im not totally sure what the other one is called. something like Thelema: this is basically lust.
Storge: like mother to child(not unconditional)

Krystal, you have to remember that those five different words for love were made by the Greeks, not God. There is nothing special about those divisions.

If Agape is defined as the love given to us by God, then I guess someone who doesn't believe in God can't feel that love, by definition, since they don't believe in the being that's supposed to be giving them that love.

And anyway, feeling Agape is all in your head. It's just the triggering of certain neurons and neurotransmitters. There's no division in your brain for that kind of love--all the kinds of love and every other emotion sort of overlap, if you get what I'm saying.

I'm not exactly sure what my point was for this post, but I think I said something interesting. I think...

 

[KrystalRules]

you need to remember that during those times greek was the offiical language and these words were inspired by God...
and you brain does have, not necessarily divisions but certain things in your brain that can physically feel different kinds of loves or else there would be one word it.

Gained my respect with that quote.

As for me? I bounce from deist to atheist to agnostic like crazy depending on my mood and the fact that sometimes I want to believe there is magic in the world - because that's what god would be, magic. But then it's really hard to go against what I feel in that about religion I feel pure apathy. There is a long story that I've thought of turning into an essay one day about my realization of atheism for a while. I don't really feel comfortable posting it out here though.

are you kidding?! God isnt magic! he tells us to stay away from magic because it corrupts!

 

[Jammer]

you need to remember that during those times greek was the offiical language and these words were inspired by God...
and you brain does have, not necessarily divisions but certain things in your brain that can physically feel different kinds of loves or else there would be one word it.

Those words were "inspired by God" because they were the best words for the job. If it was written in English, God would have inspired the writers to use the word "love", instead of all those fancy words.

And it's not as simple as "or else there would be one word for it". Why does it matter how many words it takes to form a concept? Language doesn't perfectly reflect how our brains work.

Take for example, the word "love". Greek has 5 of them. English has one. But you can always describe the concept you're trying to get across in more than one word if you have to, so English can describe the Greek words for love. And love isn't limited to those 5 words. It's everywhere else and in between.

When you take a philosophy class and talk about "love", which is one of the most complicated words ever, you'll see that it's not at all clear-cut. That's why I don't put much emphasis on the exact wording of things in the Bible, or any other book, for that matter.

We all know it's old and it's been translated, and some stuff, such as the differences between the "loves", has been lost in translation. Language is imperfect; we cannot rely on it to tell us God's Word word-for-word. We must patch it together and ourselves, if you know what I mean.

EDIT: Also, I had a hard time making this post. I think it might be because I haven't really convinced myself completely that what I said was true. Dare I say it? I think I might be wrong on this whole post.

 

[Red Exodus]

If I don't believe in God I don't believe in hell or heaven or corruption by the stuff God tells us to stay away from, that's just how it is. It doesn't mean non-christians are insane, it just means they don't share your belief.

 

[Colino]

Those words were "inspired by God" because they were the best words for the job. If it was written in English, God would have inspired the writers to use the word "love", instead of all those fancy words.

And it's not as simple as "or else there would be one word for it". Why does it matter how many words it takes to form a concept? Language doesn't perfectly reflect how our brains work.

Take for example, the word "love". Greek has 5 of them. English has one. But you can always describe the concept you're trying to get across in more than one word if you have to, so English can describe the Greek words for love. And love isn't limited to those 5 words. It's everywhere else and in between.

When you take a philosophy class and talk about "love", which is one of the most complicated words ever, you'll see that it's not at all clear-cut. That's why I don't put much emphasis on the exact wording of things in the Bible, or any other book, for that matter.

We all know it's old and it's been translated, and some stuff, such as the differences between the "loves", has been lost in translation. Language is imperfect; we cannot rely on it to tell us God's Word word-for-word. We must patch it together and ourselves, if you know what I mean.

I've been very open minded to all the thoeries read here lately, but I must confess: This whole 5 words for love inspired by God thing is pure BS. What does God have to do with semantics?
No.. just no.. I know he's everywhere for a believer, but that's just too much.

Italian has 2 words for love, does that mean God only gave us italians 2 types of love? Oh please.. Italian comes from latin, arguably the actual language of God (yours wasn't quite around where the greeks invented those words) since everything christian related (except for the original bible) was and still is written in latin.

And why complain about the media being atheistic? That means it's to the very least neutral.
It's just like politics. A national or important broadcaster should be neutral, and that's what they're trying to be.

Go ahead and watch the trinity broadcast channel if you want, they show "bible Man" on saturday mornings!

Speaking of bible man, his videogame came out recently.. do you know who the villain in the game is? It's "WHACKY PROTESTER"
And guess what? You must convert or kill all his henchmen! YAY! That's the real stuff we have to teach our kids! TO PROTEST IS WRONG!! YEA! KILL ALL THOSE SMART ***** THAT FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS!

.. sorry for that one..

 

[Jammer]

Okay, it's good that you agree with me, Colino, because I wasn't so sure of myself.

Italian has 2 words for love, does that mean God only gave us italians 2 types of love? Oh please.. Italian comes from latin, arguably the actual language of God (yours wasn't quite around where the greeks invented those words) since everything christian related (except for the original bible) was and still is written in latin.

But I think you're being a bit silly here. Why would you say Latin is the official language of God? Because the Catholic Church only allowed the Bible to be printed in Latin, which was a special language that only priests could read (and therefore commoners couldn't read, so they couldn't spot inconsistencies between the Bible and how the Church practiced)?

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew. The New Testament was written in Greek. There is no "language of God".

Also, what do you mean by "everything christian related (except for the original bible) was and still is written in latin"? Absolutely nothing is written in Latin any more. It's a dead language.

 

[Red Exodus]

And why complain about the media being atheistic? That means it's to the very least neutral.
It's just like politics. A national or important broadcaster should be neutral, and that's what they're trying to be.

Go ahead and watch the trinity broadcast channel if you want, they show "bible Man" on saturday mornings!

Speaking of bible man, his videogame came out recently.. do you know who the villain in the game is? It's "WHACKY PROTESTER"
And guess what? You must convert or kill all his henchmen! YAY! That's the real stuff we have to teach our kids! TO PROTEST IS WRONG!! YEA! KILL ALL THOSE SMART ***** THAT FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS!

.. sorry for that one..

QFT It's better to be neutral than to piss off certain groups because of a theory.

EDIT: My school motto is written in Latin.

 

[Colino]

Okay, it's good that you agree with me, Colino, because I wasn't so sure of myself.



But I think you're being a bit silly here. Why would you say Latin is the official language of God? Because the Catholic Church only allowed the Bible to be printed in Latin, which was a special language that only priests could read (and therefore commoners couldn't read, so they couldn't spot inconsistencies between the Bible and how the Church practiced)?

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew. The New Testament was written in Greek. There is no "language of God".

Also, what do you mean by "everything christian related (except for the original bible) was and still is written in latin"? Absolutely nothing is written in Latin any more. It's a dead language.

ever heard of abemus papam? Everything the pope says and does is transcipted in latin for archiving purposes! Keeping the tradition of all the documents.

Latin is dead for common purposes, yet it's obligatory in plenty of italian schools!

my statement on the "language of god" was exactly what you are saying, my refernces where purely ironic, I probably put it wrong.

The catholic church printed the bible in latin beacuse it was basicly the only official language at the time, people couldn't read there own dialects anyways!

 

[Jammer]

The catholic church printed the bible in latin beacuse it was basicly the only official language at the time, people couldn't read there own dialects anyways!

Yes, but the priests read the Bible in Latin. People would go to Mass and get read to, not knowing anything that's being said to them, because they didn't speak Latin. I should have said that before--sorry.

They Vatican still writes down everything in Latin? That's good for a chuckle, I guess. If there's one thing Catholics aren't, it's "untraditional". I swear, they make their own traditions, call it part of God's instructions, and then don't have the heart to examine any of their own wacky ceremonies.

I'm being harsh; I realize that. But I think Catholicism is the religion that bothers me the most. It's just so silly, while trying to be very serious, with all their repeating prayers and kneeling down to pray and stuff like that.

Sorry, all you Catholics out there. I know I should be more tolerating of you.

 

[Colino]

Yes, but the priests read the Bible in Latin. People would go to Mass and get read to, not knowing anything that's being said to them, because they didn't speak Latin. I should have said that before--sorry.

They Vatican still writes down everything in Latin? That's good for a chuckle, I guess. If there's one thing Catholics aren't, it's "untraditional". I swear, they make their own traditions, call it part of God's instructions, and then don't have the heart to examine any of their own wacky ceremonies.

I'm being harsh; I realize that. But I think Catholicism is the religion that bothers me the most. It's just so silly, while trying to be very serious, with all their repeating prayers and kneeling down to pray and stuff like that.

Sorry, all you Catholics out there. I know I should be more tolerating of you.

If you turn on national tv in the morning in Italy, on channel 1. You know what you get?

The pope doing missus.. in latin!

Yup

 

[Keku]

Regarding catholic faith, I was really wondering about the infallibility-dogma regarding the pope. Don't they realize that no human could possibly be infallible in anything? Also, it contradicts itself when a new pope says that some of the former popes were wrong in some subject. Even though it's only related to things regarding the Christian faith, ex cathedra and all that, I just can't possibly understand it.

Oh, and the pope being Christ's substitute on Earth? Wow. That's a HUMAN being a substitute of GOD. No one could possibly be a substitute of Christ, for no human would be capable of doing what he did, plus he already did it so no need for substitutes, right? One more thing, could someone explain me the basis on the dogma of Mary's physical transfer to Heaven? The only reason for it that I could possibly imagine is that it'd just be a beautiful thought.

I'd appreciate it if someone who really knows about this stuff better than I do could enlighten me a bit. And if this seemed like a stream of hostile thoughts poured on the boards, well, yeah, maybe, but I think the catholic church has done a lot of good stuff, too, but these two plus a handful of other things just scream a no no no for catholism.

(Sorry if the quality of this post wasn't that good. I'm kind of tired..)

Edit: This is totally unrelated, but Finland won the PISA again, yay for us!

*Crawls back for some more random surfing*

 

[Sliq]

Whoever drew that hand has no comprehension over perspective.

I am sorry it took me long to reply.





Not really. Contraceptives are mortal sins and invalidate a marriage.( I think that is too much , though.) You should say bias, though. The church does not discriminate homosexuals. And yes, Hetero couples do have sex for the sake of it. Most of the time. Even that is a sin.

I already know that that is a sin. My point is that more time is spent on homosexuality than almost anything else. It is ridiculous.

Yes, you can not choose your sexual orientation. But acting it out is a sin.
Being Gay is not a sin.(Gay= attraction to same gender) But acting it out is.
There is a big difference between just wanting to do something, and doing it.



Assuming the nature side of the nature vs. nurture argument, why would God create a person attracted to the same sex, despite the fact that they can not act out on it? That sounds malicious to me.


I seen it also. It is horrible, God loves anyone. Discrimination sucks. Do not take the worst example of Christians as representations of all of us.

I don't, but there is more discrimination against homosexuals than those who use contraceptives, despite the fact that about 3 billion more people use contraceptives.



I completely agree with you. Homosexuality is like a taboo in today's society.
And it is common now, so IMO homosexuality is not that(I am arguing that is bad to some degree) and does not deserve the discrimination they receive today.





100% of people probably sinned. Many people cursed. Many people did some bad thing their life. I am not arguing the degree.


No, but a lot of other people would.

Every I see a fat person screaming gospel at someone, I always just want to yell out, "Gluttony is a sin too, you fat, elitist, piece of ****."

No, it is not moral. But consequently it is nearly the same.


Either it is or it isn't, you can't have both.




Well, yes. But you are identifying two sins with with murder you are talking about. If the murderer killed you by harming you first(I am assuming you meant that) there will be two sins. Torture and the actual killing. If the guy died painlessly(just the killing part), then it is equal to never existing.


The only way to kill someone "painlessly" is for them to be unconscious and remain unconscious as they die.




I not completely sure what you are trying to say. How good your life is? If someone was a starving baby it would be -10, while if it where me it will be +10? Like that? Living with a bad life is better then not living. You are taking life for granted. We all have a personality, have thoughts, etc. Unless you are a baby or in a coma or something like that. We have so much to be thankful for. Which non-existent people don't have. These are worth an infinite time more than anything on earth.

I would change your example. It would be a scale from 0-10. Non existing would be zero. Poverty may be 2-3. we would be like 6-7.


I used those numbers for the sake of argument.

If life is so awesome, how come people kill themselves?

The fact of the matter is, some people may feel so awful, may have such a raw deal in life that they would take never existing over the amount of pain and suffering they would have had to endure had they been alive. Maybe not. But for the sake of arguement, I assumed that some would choose non-existence over misery and suffering.

 

[KrystalRules]

and whoever said it. God knows every language, so he will speak in that language that dominates that time. and if your gonna designate God to one language it would be Hebrew. and no you saying what you said is pure BS get a real theory or something that accuately proves me wrong before you post.

EDIT: Also, I had a hard time making this post. I think it might be because I haven't really convinced myself completely that what I said was true. Dare I say it? I think I might be wrong on this whole post.

i just gained tons of respect for you right there!
ladies and gentlemen that is an example of class. saying things like that will keep flaming away, etc.

but thats also why you have to go back and do an indepth study. go to the original Greek of the New Testament and see which words were used. thats why it helps to know or know someone who knows greek

 

[Sliq]

and whoever said it. God knows every language, so he will speak in that language that dominates that time. and if your gonna designate God to one language it would be Hebrew. and no you saying what you said is pure BS get a real theory or something that accuately proves me wrong before you post.



i just gained tons of respect for you right there!
ladies and gentlemen that is an example of class. saying things like that will keep flaming away, etc.

but thats also why you have to go back and do an indepth study. go to the original Greek of the New Testament and see which words were used. thats why it helps to know or know someone who knows greek

I read your board name and automatically assumed what you had to say was not worth my time, compounded by the fact you use a ******** the font that is barely legible.

 

[KrystalRules]

its the same font as everyone else just a different colour. and the **** staff? thats the Krystal club...and whats wrong with ****? it has become a word for completely owning someone! lol

oh and Bible man is a child's show that doesnt want to use real villians...i dont know why. and you cant forget the people who protest for abortion or gay/lesbian marriages. thats not good for the nation....that will just break it up.(study Rome's morals and why it collapsed besides gov.) abortion is murder, dont say it isnt because it is taking a "living thing that has a heart beat's" life and gay/lesbian marriages isnt natural it's a moral issue that is wrong. i dont care if you're gay but you shouldnt be able to get married, especially since the deffinition of marriage of two humans in the coming together of a man and woman to become one flesh under the sight of God*(original deffinition, new doesnt have the God part because they dont want to offend anyone)

oh can some explain why this nation and most others prosper during the times when a series of real Christian leaders are in power, compared to the times when we have a nonchristian(except for very few instances, but the nation still falls)

 

[Sliq]

its the same font as everyone else just a different colour. and the **** staff? thats the Krystal club...and whats wrong with ****? it has become a word for completely owning someone! lol

oh and Bible man is a child's show that doesnt want to use real villians...i dont know why. and you cant forget the people who protest for abortion or gay/lesbian marriages. thats not good for the nation....that will just break it up.(study Rome's morals and why it collapsed besides gov.) abortion is murder, dont say it isnt because it is taking a "living thing that has a heart beat's" life and gay/lesbian marriages isnt natural it's a moral issue that is wrong. i dont care if you're gay but you shouldnt be able to get married, especially since the deffinition of marriage of two humans in the coming together of a man and woman to become one flesh under the sight of God*(original deffinition, new doesnt have the God part because they dont want to offend anyone)

oh can some explain why this nation and most others prosper during the times when a series of real Christian leaders are in power, compared to the times when we have a nonchristian(except for very few instances, but the nation still falls)

HEY GUYS IS MY FONT OBNOXIOUS ENOUGH YET!?

Adn your name is "KrystalRules," since you don't seem to know it. Probably because you're stupid, but meh.

Last night God beat my straight flush with a royal flush, this proving he not only exists, but also has a great poker face.

 

[Eor]

whats wrong with ****?

 

[commonyoshi]

I'd be more than happy to give you some quick answers from a Christian's perspective. I wont go too in depth unless this discussion goes further along.

If god has rules to set to us that are so important, why wouldnt he just tell us? Otherwise, they cant be that important right?

He did tell them to humans. >_>

If there really was a god, hes just playing a game with all of us. If he really cared if we loved thy neighbour, or committed adultery, he would come down and eliminate any doubts, right? I mean, HE IS GOD, so it cant be THAT hard to talk to us...

It's common knowledge amongst Christians that if God appeared before us then we would die because He is too powerful. Not only is He too powerful, He is too holy for our sinful minds to take. So yeah, if God were to do like you asked, we'd basically be doomed.

and to think that theres a hell by this logic! Thats like not doing an assignment in class because the teacher didnt tell you to, and then getting strapped to a pole and whipped because of it. IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE. Also, god cant expect us to be nice if he isnt (ie. Killing many people, being selfish (it says in the bible) etc.)

First off, you're using human standards to confine God to what He has the right to do. If you would like to go further into this I'd be more than happy to.
All humans, no matter how good, have sinned, and even one small sin seperates us from Him. Do you think God wants to be apart from His creation? Maybe people get sent to hell after they die because they cant go to heaven because they were never purified by Christ's blood so the only place left is hell. (I'm making this stuff up, dont quote me) Honestly, we have absolutely no idea of how the spiritual works, assuming there is one. So to assume that God is some big jerk in the sky is ignorant because we have no idea what goes on after we die.

But hey, its not like any of us will change anyone elses minds. I dont mind if people believe in these things, but if anyone in here does, please read these 2 questions.
1. Would you to even try to force your beliefs on me? (if so, dont. EVER.)

Depends what you mean by "force". I'm not going to attack you physically and make you go to church. However, there's nothing you could do to me that would stop me from sharing the message of God's love with you. To share the Gospel was Jesus' last command before ascending into heaven. I'll follow that command to the death.

2. Would you call a person who believed in ghosts crazy? They have the same evidence. How about leprechauns or pixies?

No for ghosts.
And there's no proof, even circumstantial proof, of leprechauns or pixies.

I guess i sound pretty angry...but the truth is...i am. At school we have this thing called BOOM on wednesday lunchtime where you get free food, free drinks, watch movies, and play video games. BUT you have to stay for a 15 minute story about jesus yadayadayada at the end which isnt mentioned at all (they lock the doors. i got caught in one once, and it was the scariest ****ing thing ever). I would only come for the first 10 minutes, so it took me weeks before i realized they were a religious....cult shall i say?

I dont see anything wrong with bringing people to the fifteen minute message thing by encouraging them with thing like video games, but I cant approve of locking the doors and forcing you to stay. Even if you repeatedly abuse their services by taking all their soda, there's no way they should keep you where you dont want to be. They should just ban you, as most.

Also, we HAD to do RE (religious education) in primary school. FROM AGE 5. THAT IS FUUUUCKING WRONG. They teach it all as fact, and children have no way of knowing the difference between factual education (like maths) and theoretical education. They are taught that everything they learn at school is right, and are extremely suggestible. THANK GOD (lol irony) i didnt listen in RE, or else i might have been religious without knowing why.

You were also thought to be loyal to your country. Is that twisted in any way? The school taught it because the people running it believed it, and your parents paid good money for you to learn there from those people. Your parents chose to raise you in a certain environment, and it is the right of a parent to raise their children however they want.

What you just said is completely wrong. You assume that people will listen to stuff they hear about in kindergarden and believe it their whole lives. You also credit your lack of faith to you not listening during class. Let me make this perfectly clear because you've seemed to have formed some mentality against Christianity. They will start questioning what they believe as they get older. People are not robots, even if they are taught something at an early age.

 

[RDK]

It's common knowledge amongst Christians that if God appeared before us then we would die because He is too powerful. Not only is He too powerful, He is too holy for our sinful minds to take. So yeah, if God were to do like you asked, we'd basically be doomed.

But, at least IMO, the fault of logic lies here: why did God create the rules of the universe that He created? He didn't have to create something like "free will". He could've created a perfect universe, without anything like sin or a lack of His presence.

Most of you probably won't understand what I'm trying to say here, as it's hard to convey ideas like this over the internet. But think outside of the box for a moment. Why go through the trouble of creating a complex a creation as this one, and create ridiculous physical rules like we have, instead of creating something truly perfect? If "perfect" can even be used to define what I'm talking about. It just seems like the creation story makes it look like God created our visible universe just for the hell of creating something.

I mean if He's truly ALL POWERFULL and ALL LOVING, why even create inferior beings to begin with? If he loves everyone unconditionally, why create us with such a thing as free will, knowing beforehand that we'd **** up royally? Why would God, whom the Bible states to be the epitome and ultimate source of love, create something like Hell where people who don't know about Jesus suffer there for eternity?

Sounds like it was made up by men, to be honest, just like most all religions out there. They're all set to fail at one point or another.

Sorry if you guys looked at my post and just said "WTF is he talking about?" I tried to convey it the best I could, but if you didn't pick it up, meh. What I'm saying is that why would God adhere to the rules of His own creation?