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Religion: what is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Huah!

espio87

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when you're an atheist, you live by what you see fit. there is no 'code' of living for us.
Our ethics is only based on what we learn from our family, our school and the books we read. The only difference from religion is that we don't do it the right thing for the afterlife. We do it because it does good for other people and we feel good with ourselves.
 

Davy Jones

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Is it awnsering the question "What is religion good for?"
Oh, nevermind, the topic was senceless anyway.
But in future there willl be only few men left, and if they're half gay, there will be to follows:
1) The humanity will dissapear (wich is good for the world surounding us)
2) All men need to meet more women to save humanity, wich is good for some some of them :laugh:
 

KingJiggyWiggy

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wtf? is spreading lies just your thing or something? you're not gay so you can't say things like this. believe me, if you ask any gay person weather they chose to be gay, they will say no.

and i'll just assume you won't believe that. logic usually bounces off you. so i'll ask you this: even if it is a choice, so what? you you think it's right to discriminate against people who like cheese pizza over pepperoni, or people who want to become actors instead of teachers? what is wrong with people that have a preference that is different from yours?
How am I discriminating them? Have I ever marched on a parade to kill gays? I have never even insulted a gay person. I leave them alone because they have plenty of time to change.

I'm not against homosexuals for what they are, I am against their life styles. Not because I hate them but because I have yet to see one relationship last long. I try to convince them otherwise so they don't get hurt by a short relationship.

Homosexuality is a choice? Wow, you are sick and diluted. Im really not trying to be rude, but this is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard in my life. People like you KingJiggyWiggy are pathetic. Why would someone choose to be a minority and choose to get harassed by people like you? Yeah gay people really like the idea of introducing the idea of getting the s*** kicked out of them by a bunch of f****** ******* for no good reason. Thats a fun choice people are making. People can't choose the way they are, or their sexual orientation. Besides, if you werent gay and liked girls, why would you choose do go the other way? Its people like you that make me want to move out of this country. Europe here I come!
You really need to stop insulting and judging others. What gives you the idea that I am pathetic and harass others on a daily basis? You don't know who I am or what I do, and you certainly don't know my reason to post anything on this site.

One thing I noticed is that straight people are more offended by this than an actual gay. I used to live in San Francisco, the gay capital, thus I had friends who were not straight. I am not intolerant and I have seen many times a gay go straight. It is not impossible.
 

CivicSmash

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How am I discriminating them? Have I ever marched on a parade to kill gays? I have never even insulted a gay person. I leave them alone because they have plenty of time to change.

I'm not against homosexuals for what they are, I am against their life styles. Not because I hate them but because I have yet to see one relationship last long. I try to convince them otherwise so they don't get hurt by a short relationship.



You really need to stop insulting and judging others. What gives you the idea that I am pathetic and harass others on a daily basis? You don't know who I am or what I do, and you certainly don't know my reason to post anything on this site.

One thing I noticed is that straight people are more offended by this than an actual gay. I used to live in San Francisco, the gay capital, thus I had friends who were not straight. I am not intolerant and I have seen many times a gay go straight. It is not impossible.
Im not against homosexuals for what they are, I am against their lifestyles? That contradicts itself. Gays cant have lasting relationships? WOW.
Youve never insulted a gay person? Saying homosexuality is a choice is an insult. You also implyed that somehow they can't have lasting relationships, thats an insult.
You leave them alone because they have plenty of time to change? You are obviously homophobic. Saying that gay people need to change is an insult.
THEY ARE HOMOSEXUALS, THEY CANT CHANGE. THATS WHAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS.
If a gay goes straight, he is not gay, he is bisexual.
Also if your gay friends heard you saying this, they wouldn't be your friend anymore.
Some of the things you have been saying are some of the most bogus things ive ever heard before.
GET THE HATE OUT OF YOUR HEART.
You are against their lifestyles because YOU havent seen their relationships last long?
It is tragic the way your mind works.
 

Zombie Lucille Ball

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Wow ok we're talking about homosexuality now? Cool.
And somebody said homosexuals can't have lasting relationships? Wow.

How about both sides calm down on the hyperbole and try to find some common ground?
It IS possible to be against homosexual activity and not "against" the person themselves.
Homosexuality is an extremely gray issue in the Christian church and there are a ton of gay Christian voices springing up calling for acceptance. At my (Christian) college, a travelling group of gay Christians came to campus and gave a talk and Q&A about their lifestyle and how it relates to their faith. And I personally am friends with a gay guy who is a devout Christian currently getting his PHD in some sort of biblical studies.
Whatever your beliefs, rule number one should be to approach the situation with a heart of love and humbleness.
 

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Whatever your beliefs, rule number one should be to approach the situation with a heart of love and humbleness.
Spot on.

People are often too judgemental. Appreciate people have a right to their opinions even if you disagree with them.
 

KingJiggyWiggy

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I'm not going to talk about gays anymore in this topic. Civicsmash chooses not to be mature about this and claims that I am hateful. Oh I would love to see the look on his face when I was openly against my "friends" in a public class.
 

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Our ethics is only based on what we learn from our family, our school and the books we read. The only difference from religion is that we don't do it the right thing for the afterlife. We do it because it does good for other people and we feel good with ourselves.
what are you talking about? an atheist doesnt have to necessarily be a good person. they can do anything they want for any reason.
 

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People can change sexual orientation overtime, but there arent choosing to do so, it just happens.
So a homosexual man chooses to have sex with a woman.

You're saying he didn't choose to do so, he just happened to have sex with her. It just happened out of nowhere.

I'm sorry, I disagree. Unless he was physically forced or drugged or something, he did choose to do so.
 

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Homosexuality is a completely natural occurrence and happens all the time in nature. Anyone who has grown up on a farm can tell you that.
 

espio87

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what are you talking about? an atheist doesnt have to necessarily be a good person. they can do anything they want for any reason.
Yes, but being an atheist doesn't mean you have to be a bad person either. We can still live our lives with a moral code that dictates our actions. The only difference is that it doesn't come from faith but rather (in my case at least) from a feeling of righteousness.
Of course you can do anything you want for any reason, but that doesn't mean you're an atheist, it just means you have no ethics.
 

CivicSmash

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look up sexual orientation on wikipedia and go to Malleability of sexual orientation and you will find it says exactly what I stated.

A homosexual man wouldn't choose to have sex with a women. He is homosexual. Overtime, he might realize that he is getting more attracted to women, so he has shifted from a homosexual to bisexual. In doing so, he is not choosing to become by, thats just the way it is.
 

otter

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Homosexuality is a completely natural occurrence and happens all the time in nature. Anyone who has grown up on a farm can tell you that.
It's crazy how bad people don't want to accept this. There goes the brilliant Adam and Steve argument.

I really have no idea if humans can "choose" their sexuality, and I don't really care. As long as they don't hurt me they can have sex with anything they want.
 

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How am I discriminating them? Have I ever marched on a parade to kill gays? I have never even insulted a gay person. I leave them alone because they have plenty of time to change.

I'm not against homosexuals for what they are, I am against their life styles. Not because I hate them but because I have yet to see one relationship last long. I try to convince them otherwise so they don't get hurt by a short relationship.

One thing I noticed is that straight people are more offended by this than an actual gay. I used to live in San Francisco, the gay capital, thus I had friends who were not straight. I am not intolerant and I have seen many times a gay go straight. It is not impossible.
i never said you were. i was talking about the millions of others that vote against gay rights, though seeing your position now, i think it's safe to say you do.

lol. there are TONS of homosexual relationships that last. you need to get rid of this ignorant assumption. of course, there still will be gay relationships that don't last just like there are straight relationships that don't last. what else about their lifestyle are you against?

well some of us have gay friends we know don't deserve the discrimination. it's like when someone directly insults your mom. some moms will just take it, but her kid will be pissed. it's probably as easy as getting someone to hate the taste of chocolate for the rest of their life.
 

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So a homosexual man chooses to have sex with a woman.

You're saying he didn't choose to do so, he just happened to have sex with her. It just happened out of nowhere.

I'm sorry, I disagree. Unless he was physically forced or drugged or something, he did choose to do so.
When a homosexual man chooses to have sex with a woman, it doesn't have much of a bearing on his sexual orientation. Having sex with a woman doesn't make him any more or less gay; the act of sexual intercourse really has very little to do with your actual orientation.

tl;dr When a gay man has sex with a woman it doesn't make him straight.
 

CivicSmash

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When a homosexual man chooses to have sex with a woman, it doesn't have much of a bearing on his sexual orientation. Having sex with a woman doesn't make him any more or less gay; the act of sexual intercourse really has very little to do with your actual orientation.

tl;dr When a gay man has sex with a woman it doesn't make him straight.
When a gay man has sex with a women he is no longer gay, at least for the time being..it doesnt make him straight but he is no longer gay.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gay............."the rationale is that this usage is exclusive of not only bisexual and transgender people but also lesbians who generally reject labels of being a subset of men, even gay men."
 

CivicSmash

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just because you go through the motions doesn't mean you enjoy it
Maybe if your a girl. Girls dont have to be turned on to have sex simply because of their physical nature. How can a guy go thru motions if hes not enjoying it? Maybe if hes paid to do so. Thats probably the only exception. Or if your life was threatened. Or if your a homosexual and your not using your genitalia at the time. There are a few other exceptions if your a lesbian also.

Im done posting here.
 

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Homosexuality is a sin. Hate the sin, love the person. Homosexuality is a choice. Living a life of homosexuality is like living a life as a thief. They are both sinful acts. People are more tolerant of homosexual people because it doesn't appear to be harming anyone. I love homosexual people but I hate what they do. Don't flame me, I'm not insulting gay people.

If Christians hate gay people then they aren't very good Christians at all.
 

Miharu

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Homosexuality is a sin. Hate the sin, love the person. Homosexuality is a choice. Living a life of homosexuality is like living a life as a thief. They are both sinful acts. People are more tolerant of homosexual people because it doesn't appear to be harming anyone. I love homosexual people but I hate what they do. Don't flame me, I'm not insulting gay people.

If Christians hate gay people then they aren't very good Christians at all.
It's been proven over and over that homosexuality IS NOT A CHOICE.

Homosexuality, by itself, harms nobody; and that's why a lot of indifferent towards it because it doesn't affect them at all. Do you honestly think that people would make a choice that would cause them to be publicly ostracized and discriminated against?

Don't flame me, I'm not insulting gay people.
You're indirectly insulting them by insulting their way of life.
 

CivicSmash

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Originally posted by perpetual ownage:

"Living a life of homosexuality is like living a life as a thief. They are both sinful acts. People are more tolerant of homosexual people because it doesn't appear to be harming anyone."

You are brainwashed into being intolerant of homosexuals. They are as equal as anyone else. They are humans just like all of us, not something less or non-humane. Why is it sinful? Because a 2000 year old book says so? Its sad that you cant recognize civil rights, and that everyone is created equal. Saying that homosexuality is a sin is denying a person their civil rights. Thats how they were created.
 

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But their way of life is evil. Prove to me why it is not a choice then.
Blindness. Religion creates blindness.

Not all gay people are promiscuous. Some gay people find somone and stay with them for the rest of there lives etc. They don't steal, they don't attack people and they don't hate neednessly.

I assume thats evil is it?

Religion creates blindness.
 

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But their way of life is evil. Prove to me why it is not a choice then.
KILL RELIGION!!! BURN IT!!!!

See, it's people like you who make me hate...well...people like you.

If this is what Christianity creates, then i sure as hell don't want it anywhere near me.

I'd explain my points further, but there are people far more rational than me at the moment who can do a better job.

Flame begin now
 

Jellybelly

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If Homosexuality was a choice that means that you could take a completely straight man and turn him gay. (Try it, tell me how that works out.)

These homo to hetero programs change sexual behavior, but never orientation because it is completely innate. The only reason there behavior has changed is because of the threat of judgement looming over them.

As i said before perpetual ownage, the only way you would know it was a choice was if it was something that you had specifically chosen. And the only way you can say homosexuality can be overcome is if you overcame it.

Blindness. Religion creates blindness, you have essentially proven it.
 

espio87

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No-one has explained to me yet why homosexuality is not a choice. I am waiting for an answer.
Homosexuality isn't a choice. Psychologically speaking, from the moment you are born to the moment you start your sexual life, there are an amount of variables which you don't control and which will determine your sexuality.
The only choice there is in homosexuality is wether or not you accept you are homosexual. If you are homosexual, but you deny it, you will become sexually frustrated and not able to fulfill one of life's needs.

As you can see here, in Maslow's Pyramid of Physiological Needs, the sexual need has an important role as it occupies two levels of it. I will take the sexual intimacy as an example here:
If the person is homosexual, but denies it, he/she will have big difficulties in developing the upper level of Steem. As you can see, things such as self-steem, confidence, achievement, respect for others and respect by others can't be achieved by family and friendship only. If you are not able to realize your own sexuality, then it will surely result in sexual frustation, loneliness, social anxiety and depression.

Note: thanks to www.wikipedia.org for the image.
 
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