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[greenblob]

Normally, I wouldn't be against something like this, but the ITT can quickly turn into a stall. You don't HAVE to escape the grab and you're stuck there indefinitely until one gives in.

 

[Zantetsu]

Well i would just escape, camp and shdl, spam fireballs etc. Eventually if u keep escaping then no damage done :D

 

[greenblob]

I meant escape the grab, not escape the trap.

This is what the ITT looks like: DK grabs, other person button mashes out, DK grabs again immediately afterwards, other person button mashes, etc. And since each time you grab with DK you deal 6%, the damage adds up.

The main problem with this is that if you don't button mash, you don't escape the grab. So basically, the DK player waits for the opponent to button mash so he can start the ITT and the other person waits for the DK player to throw because he doesn't want to deal with the ITT. And then the game is stalled indefinitely.

 

[ant-d]

It's not a stall if you escape properly. DK cannot grab again, well at least in the position the opponent is in.

If you don't escape then that's your choice. The DK player can mess up, especially online where there is lag and inconsistency with speed.

Remember the most important thing is that you can escape and its not infinite >.<
It just depends on the players skill, as do most things.

 

[greenblob]

Well, I guess my main gripe is that if the stall thing goes on, it's hard to blame someone. With normal camping and stalling, it's easy to see who's to blame. For example, when a Fox user spams SHDL on Hyrule's main platform while the other player uses the left sloped platform for cover--if this goes on for a while, it's easy to see that the Fox user is to blame (note: I have nothing against projectiles; I'm only illustrating a case in which one can stall the game). Should the DK have to throw after a certain amount of time? Or perhaps the person playing the grabbed character must button mash? Who is to blame once the stalling begins?

 

[ant-d]

The answer should be obvious, since you can escape.

Edit: who said there's a time limit? is there?

 

[Wenbobular]

Why would you blame the Fox? I laser spam all the time, and people still manage to find ways around it.
On an amusing, halfway related note, someone said I cheated with my lasers, what's up with that eh?

 

[Zantetsu]

Nope. No time limit. I'l post rules soon

Edit : Lol I laser spam to. Usally in fox ditto its easy to start combos on the lower foxes. They end up shining (Not quick shining) And then after u laser go after them and combo them to death XP

 

[greenblob]

I'm not saying laser spamming is bad. I'm just saying that if a Fox decides to repeatedly SHDL and the other person finds cover somewhere and decides to not come out until the Fox does something else and then this turns into a stall, the Fox is to blame for the 10+ minute match.

 

[ant-d]

There's no time limit. Who cares about blaming, it isn't about that.

Just don't get grabbed anyways, pick a stage where there are platforms, counterpick to a character who cant get chain grabbed by DK... On dreamland and hyrule there are hazards which can mess up the chain grab technique etc etc

There are many options other than outright banning a useful technique which is as valid as any other.

Have you made a decision whether to allow it or not?

 

[Zantetsu]

Hmm...I'l allow it i guess since u can get out of it. My question is why would u do it anyways ant-d?

 

[Wenbobular]

...Why not? It's a viable strategy. Wasn't Isai doing it vs. the Japanese players?

 

[ant-d]

I didn't say it was my plan to use this technique. I just want all techniques to be allowed.

Oh and I like to use it on Euro Kirby players.

 

[greenblob]

Eh...I guess I don't like it because I've fought quite a few DKs who do this and during those matches I chose to not escape the grab. I remember that in one match, I got grabbed, and then, after waiting about a minute or so, went to the bathroom, played some Metroid, and then came back to find that nothing had changed other than the appearance of a few vulgar words in the chat box.

 

[SmashThugZ]

what does ITT stand for

 

[Zantetsu]

Dre told me it stands for Infinite Throw trap. And I cant really ban it cuss its kinda like a style. So if i banned that i could ban the pika's that grab and side smash all the time and all that. And im not gonna ban styles. It stays once again :D

 

[Rupus]

Normally, I wouldn't be against something like this, but the ITT can quickly turn into a stall. You don't HAVE to escape the grab and you're stuck there indefinitely until one gives in.

How can it be stalling if there's no time limit? There's nothing to gain out of it for either person.

 

[_kSo_]

Atlantic North. NJ ftw

 

[kuenzel]

Rocks to only have 1 other person in my region. Im almost guarenteed a spot in the top 10! ALMOST...

 

[tigerbombz]

i demand to be in teh pacific west region n not challenge up!

 

[Wenbobular]

Hey kuenzel, you're aware that Nephiros is in your region right?

 

[Moocow007]

i await your puny challenges.

 

[felix45]

yay, I'm #1 in my region.


waiting on overall rankings since I'm first I guess.

 

[M3tr01D]

Why would the ITT be banned? That's part of being DK, just like lasers are a part of fox, pika's tail is a part of pika, up tilt is a part of kirby, rest is a part of jiggs and so on. Everything should be open game, since every player has the option to pick any character it's your fault for not being that character.

 

[Gerbil]

GO MOOGLE!!!!!!!!!

*runs*

 

[JaimeHR]

Why would the ITT be banned? That's part of being DK, just like lasers are a part of fox, pika's tail is a part of pika, up tilt is a part of kirby, rest is a part of jiggs and so on. Everything should be open game, since every player has the option to pick any character it's your fault for not being that character.

True, banning a move/strategy is as good as banning the character itself.

btw i challange Darth Fox xP... BEEF!Man! is looking for you .

 

[ant-d]

Because I once read a post by Sensei in his tournament topic where he said something about DK can only grab a certain number of times. I don't know what was finally decided on.

 

[Box_of_Fox]

Atlantic north i guess

 

[ant-d]

So can I challenge MeowKitty.....

 

[Thino]

So can I challenge MeowKitty.....

I challenge the winner

 

[Dash_Fox]

then get on jaime god, were the hell have you been anyways!

+ your beef has WORMS! (OOHHH **** TALK).

 

[JaimeHR]

then get on jaime god, were the hell have you been anyways!

+ your beef has WORMS! (OOHHH **** TALK).

On Daroms .

There's no way that my BEEF! has worms because they die as soon as they touch it xP.

 

[KevinM]

Sign me up, Atlantic North

 

[Rupus]

•Advanced Slob Picks - Loser may choose the next stage or elect to go to random, then winner may choose to change characters, then loser may change characters

So the loser gets to choose a stage that's good for him AND counterpick? o_O

 

[Moocow007]

So the loser gets to choose a stage that's good for him AND counterpick? o_O

that's the way it's always been in tournaments aduhhh.

 

[ant-d]

Remove me from this

I just saw that Ness/Saffron rule

 

[Rupus]

that's the way it's always been in tournaments aduhhh.

No, it's choose level OR counterpick, I think. At least it has been at my tournaments o_O

 

[felix45]

every tourney I have ever played in is always advanced slob O.o



and I agree w/ ant-d on the ness rule being ****ty.

 

[Wenbobular]

I thought that was how it always was with Ness(?)

 

[felix45]

hmmm well I am a bit confused. when I first looked at it I thought it meant repick of stage but it just says repick so if it means character switch I'm fine with that.