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Recent tournament videos -4/11-

kismet2

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Vs Snake:

Wow, I don't really know what you could've done there, he read you well and punished your every mistake. You did seem to roll towards him/into attacks more often then you should've though. I'd also like to point out that when you grab Snake at the edge and just release him (I'm sure you know this), He has to C4 himself to recover, which tacks on a decent amount of damage. (If you felt like it, you could even try to predict his C4 trajectory and spike him out of it :)) Don't try to combat Snake's Ftilt with yours, it won't work.

Oh, and don't stay on the ledge ;)

Vs Diddy Kong:

You Phantasmed into attacks from the ledge. Regular ledge get up or LHDL (which Falcos seem to forget about) both would've been better.
I know Falco's Glide Toss is good and all, but if you don't have an immediate, advantageous use for the banana, it's probably best to just throw it off the stage, as it forces Diddy to pull another where you can punish him during the lag (assuming you're in front of him).
You threw out kill moves more often thn you should've been towards the end.
You did do a good job of Z-Catching/picking up the bananas, and you made good use of them when you could.
 

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You don't camp enough. Both against Meta and Snake (Didn't watch Diddy match).

You just made wrong decisions throughout the match, and he capitalized on them. Learn to play smarter, and make less mistakes basically...

Oh, and on a side note. Jab-U-tilt shouldn't work when you're playing against a snake. DI back and Shield to avoid the U-tilt.
 

kismet2

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Vs Snake:

Wow, I don't really know what you could've done there, he read you well and punished your every mistake. You did seem to roll towards him/into attacks more often then you should've though. I'd also like to point out that when you grab Snake at the edge and just release him (I'm sure you know this), He has to C4 himself to recover, which tacks on a decent amount of damage. (If you felt like it, you could even try to predict his C4 trajectory and spike him out of it :)) Don't try to combat Snake's Ftilt with yours, it won't work.

Oh, and don't stay on the ledge ;)

Vs Diddy Kong:

You Phantasmed into attacks from the ledge. Regular ledge get up or LHDL (which Falcos seem to forget about) both would've been better.
I know Falco's Glide Toss is good and all, but if you don't have an immediate, advantageous use for the banana, it's probably best to just throw it off the stage, as it forces Diddy to pull another where you can punish him during the lag (assuming you're in front of him).
You threw out kill moves more often thn you should've been towards the end.
You did do a good job of Z-Catching/picking up the bananas, and you made good use of them when you could.
Yeah I just felt different when I played him. It felt like I couldn't get through to him, like I couldn't trick him into anything. When I played Florida's top Snake in a MM I beat him 3-1.

You don't camp enough. Both against Meta and Snake (Didn't watch Diddy match).

You just made wrong decisions throughout the match, and he capitalized on them. Learn to play smarter, and make less mistakes basically...

Oh, and on a side note. Jab-U-tilt shouldn't work when you're playing against a snake. DI back and Shield to avoid the U-tilt.
I feel that camping with Falco isn't really going to get someone anywhere. I would only camp if the Metaknight is going to plank and I would want to lead so he has to fight me for the lead. And yeah I'm learning from my mistakes. Yes, I do know that Jab to Utilt shouldn't work but neither does falco's jab to grab. It was just one of those unexpected thing that I didn't see coming.

rofl Nyjin makes kismet sound like a complete noob :/
Lol.
 

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Camping is why Falco is Top Tier. ESPECIALLY against Snake.

And sorry if I sound very...patronizing. It's just the facts. I'm not saying Kismet is a noob or that I'm better.
 

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I think at least someone should say great falco as usual and well done getting a match off seibriks horrible up-b spamming MK.

oh and for what i saw camping is mostly what get's you punished specially against MK, people know just to well now how do deal with falcos camping so you should try developping your close combat game which i would say is slightly predictable :)
 

kismet2

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I think at least someone should say great falco as usual and well done getting a match off seibriks horrible up-b spamming MK.

oh and for what i saw camping is mostly what get's you punished specially against MK, people know just to well now how do deal with falcos camping so you should try developping your close combat game which i would say is slightly predictable :)
Yeah, to me camping means that you're right next to ledge most of the times. So that could possibly mean free stock against Metaknight or probably some good damage on you while you tried to recover. Also there's no point in camping if you're behind I'm pretty sure the Metaknight is willing to run the time. Watch me get a set off of Seibrik next time.
 

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Camping can't always get punished if you do it right. you don't just sit there and shdl , you gotta IAP sometimes, and single laser, just mix it up. with falco, you should avoid approaching as much as possible.
this of course, applies to characters where camping works. it wont really work on pit,GW etc....
 

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How come only vids of you losing got recorded at tally tourney? lol Id be mad lmao

Chops would probably just powershield all the lasers lol
 

kismet2

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How come only vids of you losing got recorded at tally tourney? lol Id be mad lmao

Chops would probably just powershield all the lasers lol
Lol XD It doesn't bother me much. It would've probably been better if my videos were recorded from the tournament I won this past weekend.

Camping can't always get punished if you do it right. you don't just sit there and shdl , you gotta IAP sometimes, and single laser, just mix it up. with falco, you should avoid approaching as much as possible.
this of course, applies to characters where camping works. it wont really work on pit,GW etc....
Camping would be great against people that keep trying to approach you and getting in to do something but you keep punishing it. But that won't work against the characters that it'll matter against. And phantasm can be broken, so you have to be very careful when you use it.
 

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This Chops guy is pretty good huh? I have nothing constructive to add other than a pat on the back. Though if certain Falco mains are reading, I would like to point out that against Snake, shining back on the stage cost you a stock that time.
 

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This Chops guy is pretty good huh? I have nothing constructive to add other than a pat on the back. Though if certain Falco mains are reading, I would like to point out that against Snake, shining back on the stage cost you a stock that time.
chops is lambchops, played falco in melee. rank 9 FL Power rankings for brawl.

kismet, on the match vs chops , you died instantly from C4 on 2nd stock, did you just zone out by accident?
 

kismet2

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This Chops guy is pretty good huh? I have nothing constructive to add other than a pat on the back. Though if certain Falco mains are reading, I would like to point out that against Snake, shining back on the stage cost you a stock that time.
I know but I thought I had still had my double jump which why I used the reflector.

chops is lambchops, played falco in melee. rank 9 FL Power rankings for brawl.

kismet, on the match vs chops , you died instantly from C4 on 2nd stock, did you just zone out by accident?
I forgot that the c4 was there and I also forgot that it still hits people hanging on the ledge. Yeah I pretty much did horrible.
 

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Although I like your style your lack of camping/waiting for your opponent with lasers is your biggest weakness, as it gives you much less control over the flow of the match.
 

kismet2

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Although I like your style your lack of camping/waiting for your opponent with lasers is your biggest weakness, as it gives you much less control over the flow of the match.
Trust me I don't mind doing anything as long as it helps my chances of winning. But camping Snake isn't exactly the smartest idea. He can throw grenade so that they explode when they get next to me and that's my shield it's going to eat. If I try to reflect, he can pull another grenade to stop the momentum of the previous grenade he threw. Or if I try and catch/pick it up to throw it back, he can still cancel the momentum.
 

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good thing, you can even explode it as soon as the snake throws it, so that the latter will be feared to use grenades when you camp.
I don't think someone can consistently laser in the same exact spot. Even they do, the Snake can just drop the grenade and throw it overhead. Or throw it in an arc if he's half a stage length away. And the Snake probably won't be afraid of camping, he'll just find a better way of doing it.
 

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Using reflector at max distance means the nade cant possibly come close enough to you to hurt, even if Snake cancels the momentum with a nade drop.

I wholeheartedly advocate smart camping. You want to either be so far from Snake that he has only the one kind of throw he can use (fast, low trajectory, easy to predict), or close enough that he's within IAP range. Anything in the middle is Snake's advantage.
 

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Using reflector at max distance means the nade cant possibly come close enough to you to hurt, even if Snake cancels the momentum with a nade drop.

I wholeheartedly advocate smart camping. You want to either be so far from Snake that he has only the one kind of throw he can use (fast, low trajectory, easy to predict), or close enough that he's within IAP range. Anything in the middle is Snake's advantage.
He can jump, throw it above you, and then cancel the momentum.
 

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Trust me I don't mind doing anything as long as it helps my chances of winning. But camping Snake isn't exactly the smartest idea. He can throw grenade so that they explode when they get next to me and that's my shield it's going to eat. If I try to reflect, he can pull another grenade to stop the momentum of the previous grenade he threw. Or if I try and catch/pick it up to throw it back, he can still cancel the momentum.
Yeah, but I didn't exactly mean against Snake, I just meant in general. It seems you always try to push the rush of the battle, while sometimes I feel its best to take a "laser break" and have your opponent thrown off (and get free damage doing so) so you can hold a more advantageous position.

I feel doing things like these are necessary to defeating high level opponents as it just puts one extra layer of depth to your game.
 

kismet2

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This guy has the right idea.

Using reflector at max distance means the nade cant possibly come close enough to you to hurt, even if Snake cancels the momentum with a nade drop.

I wholeheartedly advocate smart camping. You want to either be so far from Snake that he has only the one kind of throw he can use (fast, low trajectory, easy to predict), or close enough that he's within IAP range. Anything in the middle is Snake's advantage.
If he cancels the momentum of the grenade, there's no way for the reflector to push a a sitting grenade. Also I'd rather be close to Snake or just outside of his attack range. Because if you're going to camp a Snake, you're going to take about %12-14 of damage per grenade compared to your %1-3 per laser and that's if they even hit.

Yeah, but I didn't exactly mean against Snake, I just meant in general. It seems you always try to push the rush of the battle, while sometimes I feel its best to take a "laser break" and have your opponent thrown off (and get free damage doing so) so you can hold a more advantageous position.

I feel doing things like these are necessary to defeating high level opponents as it just puts one extra layer of depth to your game.
If I camp the opponent I'm giving them time to rethink their strategies and relax if I'm not all over them, that's what I think. Taking a laser break must mean that you had to run from the opponent and that may not happen if the person is aggressive or if you even get the space.

You're never at safe distance from Falco.

Pew Pew!
Lasers are crappy at building damage. Just shooting the lasers won't make them any unsafe.
 

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Using reflector at max distance means the nade cant possibly come close enough to you to hurt, even if Snake cancels the momentum with a nade drop.

I wholeheartedly advocate smart camping. You want to either be so far from Snake that he has only the one kind of throw he can use (fast, low trajectory, easy to predict), or close enough that he's within IAP range. Anything in the middle is Snake's advantage.
you can get hurt by the grenade if it explodes right as you reflector since falco extends his leg

kismet in your matches I feel like you were playing way too aggressive just try slowing things down a bit

in your match vs. the snake your first stock was great but then you second and third you started to run into his moves if you play more careful I'm sure you can **** that snake :)










and if all else fails..... camp
 

kismet2

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kismet I really like your mid-ranged laser game.
Thanks.

you can get hurt by the grenade if it explodes right as you reflector since falco extends his leg

kismet in your matches I feel like you were playing way too aggressive just try slowing things down a bit

in your match vs. the snake your first stock was great but then you second and third you started to run into his moves if you play more careful I'm sure you can **** that snake :)










and if all else fails..... camp
Yeah I definitely started to choke and played very dumb. I could try camping but that's going to have to be a last resort thing if I'm ahead or I'm getting my *** handed to me in close combat.
 
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