to be fair she does have two dressesI really doubt BotW Zelda would be a clone. She can't pull off many of Zelda's moves without the dress. Hell, if she could be a clone, then we probably would've had her design as Zelda's instead of ALttP's.
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to be fair she does have two dressesI really doubt BotW Zelda would be a clone. She can't pull off many of Zelda's moves without the dress. Hell, if she could be a clone, then we probably would've had her design as Zelda's instead of ALttP's.
Given how Three Houses was largely programmed/modeled by Koei, I am going to guess that wouldn't be a problem?AoC is being made by KT so i dont sakurai would get to see behind the scenes
It's the same Zelda from the first Breath of the Wild. And also why wouldn't he get early access to the game? He did for Breath of the Wild. If Nintendo wants a character to promote the sequel they'll absolutely give him an early build.Considering Rex and Min Min were too late for Ultimate's base roster, I heavily doubt that BOTW2 is timed correctly to get any new character specifically from that game or that variation of Zelda. Yes I know that Byleth is a thing... so I can't count it out entirely, but it's been a long time since we've got updated on BOTW2 and this would require Sakurai to get an early copy of the game yadda yadda, I think it's a different situation entirely.
well that would largely depend on the different levels KT worked with intelligent systems and the zeldaGiven how Three Houses was largely programmed/modeled by Koei, I am going to guess that wouldn't be a problem?
Never stopped Pokemon.While BotW 2 is a thing, promoting it via smash doesn't seem necessary. The previous title is already one of the best selling games on the Switch.
It's just less likely, not impossible.Never stopped Pokemon.
but they are related, theyre the same characterIf I had to have another Zelda, I'd rather have Tetra. I feel she's enough of her own character that I don't see them as related.
Well I think the fact that Age of Calamity is a canon Musou game in the BotW universe makes all the difference when speculating.I agree with people when they say that she could have a particularly unique moveset, though I find the constant refference to her Age of Calamity moveset to be Phoenix Wright levels of reaching. "Oh wow, she has a moveset in a Musou game? WELL NO ** SHE DOES, MUSOU GAMES MAKE ** UP ALL THE GODDAMN TIME!!"
BotW came out in 2017 and speculation about the Zelda of that game for the next Smash started there so I wouldn't say shes a brand new character. To compare, ARMS was released later that year as well and we have gotten Min Min since then. Now that we have more information about BotW Zelda with AoC and possibly BotW2, her moveset potential increases. Also Sakurai did consider putting the newest Zelda in Ultimate but decided against it because 'she's more into research than fighting', but as we have seen from AoC, she can indeed fight.BotW!Zelda is one of the most recent victims of the bandwagoning epidemic that's been particularly bad in Smash speculation as of late, though it's existed for far longer. It seems that every single time a new game/DLC/guest appearance is announced, everybody immediately jumps onto that character and begins to insist that they're somehow coming to Smash in the near future. With the impending release of Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity next month, people have begun to push her (and Impa to a lesser extent) as a potential shoe-in for DLC.
Well given how people use spinoff games as the basis for character moveset concepts in Smash all the time regardless of their canonicity (See Phoenix Wright in MVC3), I fail to see how it changes anything.Well I think the fact that Age of Calamity is a canon Musou game in the BotW universe makes all the difference when speculating.
I never said she was a newcomer to speculation by any means, obviously she's existed for far longer. Speaking of...BotW came out in 2017 and speculation about the Zelda of that game for the next Smash started there so I wouldn't say shes a brand new character.
People have assumed that she'd be using runes in her moveset for just as long as they've been speculating about her. Age of Calamity visualizes this and adds a few new tricks here and there, but it's basically the same thing.Now that we have more information about BotW Zelda with AoC and possibly BotW2, her moveset potential increases.
So that means he'll be going back to add in this second Zelda as DLC?Also Sakurai did consider putting the newest Zelda in Ultimate but decided against it because 'she's more into research than fighting', but as we have seen from AoC, she can indeed fight.
Your words where: "Oh wow, she has a moveset in a Musou game? WELL NO ** SHE DOES, MUSOU GAMES MAKE ** UP ALL THE GODDAMN TIME!!"Well given how people use spinoff games as the basis for character moveset concepts in Smash all the time regardless of their canonicity (See Phoenix Wright in MVC3), I fail to see how it changes anything.
First off, I don't think many of us think she's a shoe-in as you say. I certainly don't think that. But Sakurai saying he considered her at least once is something many characters wish they had. It's nothing to scoff at. The bandwagoning has been going on a lot longer than just right after AoC was announced. Her bandwogning started with BotW and died when Sakurai said why she wouldn't be a good fit. Then it came back with the BotW2 trailer and spiked with AoC and I assume it will spike again when we get more BotW2 info. Your acting like this is a surprise or at least something that shouldn't happen. What makes the AoC Zelda gameplay interesting is that it means that Sakurai's earlier dilemma is solved. The earlier moveset speculation was just that—speculation. Now it's confirmed.I never said she was a newcomer to speculation by any means, obviously she's existed for far longer. Speaking of...
People have assumed that she'd be using runes in her moveset for just as long as they've been speculating about her. Age of Calamity visualizes this and adds a few new tricks here and there, but it's basically the same thing.
So that means he'll be going back to add in this second Zelda as DLC?
So I guess it's also canon that BotW!Zelda is capable of taking on entire armies by herself without the aid of Link or any of the other Champions, yes? I mean if that's the case, why the hell was Link ever even appointed her knight? Seems like she can handle herself pretty well with just the Shiekah Slate. And I guess all those flashback scenes in BotW showing Zelda relying on Link to fight off the Yiga Clan and all those other monsters was inaccurate then?Your words where: "Oh wow, she has a moveset in a Musou game? WELL NO ** SHE DOES, MUSOU GAMES MAKE ** UP ALL THE GODDAMN TIME!!"
Musou games do like to make up movesets however this is a different circumstance. Being a canonical entry into the BotW universe, Koei Tecmo has been closely working with the Zelda team for accuracy, meaning that Zelda's moveset in Age of Calamity is approved by the people working on BotW2. Age of Calamity isn't just some random spinoff—it has near the same authority as a mainline Zelda game.
Oh, you'd be surprised. Plenty of people have expressed that she's more likely as DLC. Their rationale is that, because Age of Calamity is releasing soon, that Nintendo may want to advertise it, or even BotW2, by adding a character in Smash as DLC.First off, I don't think many of us think she's a shoe-in as you say. I certainly don't think that.
I think there's a world of difference, actually. When he was deliberating on which Zelda to use, it's not like he was picking between Robin or Chrom as the new Fire Emblem character for Smash 4 or anything. He was deciding on which design he would use for Ultimate's version of Zelda. It was between her modern design in BotW, or a more traditional design. One or the other. Ultimately, Sakurai chose a more traditional design.But Sakurai saying he considered her at least once is something many characters wish they had. It's nothing to scoff at.
I'm not all too surprised by it, but yeah, I do think it shouldn't happen. All this kind of bandwagoning does is lead people to predict characters more based on current trends rather than anything more substantial, despite the fact that, as history has shown us, it's practically useless as a method of determining who's getting in, so seeing so many people fall for it time and time again is incredibly disheartening and makes speculation rather dull.The bandwagoning has been going on a lot longer than just right after AoC was announced. Her bandwogning started with BotW and died when Sakurai said why she wouldn't be a good fit. Then it came back with the BotW2 trailer and spiked with AoC and I assume it will spike again when we get more BotW2 info. You're acting like this is a surprise or at least something that shouldn't happen.
You do realize people tend to push and expect things from new games right? That is kind of how Nintendo has operated in the past...three smash games. Let me break down how many of our characters would fall onto your idea of bandwagoning onto a new/popular character.-= BotW!Zelda =-
Chance: 0%
BotW!Zelda is one of the most recent victims of the bandwagoning epidemic that's been particularly bad in Smash speculation as of late, though it's existed for far longer. It seems that every single time a new game/DLC/guest appearance is announced, everybody immediately jumps onto that character and begins to insist that they're somehow coming to Smash in the near future. With the impending release of Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity next month, people have begun to push her (and Impa to a lesser extent) as a potential shoe-in for DLC.
-= BotW!Zelda =-
Putting aside the fact that we already have a Zelda on the roster, thus making the idea of selling another version of a character we already have in the base game incredibly weird, no matter how differently they may play, character reveals for Smash have seldom, if ever, coincided with new or upcoming releases. There's also the fact that BotW is already well represented in Ultimate as-is with a stage, several amazing music tracks, and enough Spirits to fill an entire Spirit Board on their own, comprised of all of the most important characters. What would BotW!Zelda be able to bring to Ultimate that isn't already there
Gameplay and Story Segregation. There is a difference in how a games story is shown through gameplay and through its cutscenes. The fact of the matter is that AoC shows Zelda is not as helpless as it would seem, at least compared to how you are illustrating it. Heck, your own argument about the Master Sword proves it. While in your playthrough you might have glitched to get the sword, in canon, Link does the trials. In gameplay Zelda might be a strong combatant, but in the story Link is her champion for a reason.So I guess it's also canon that BotW!Zelda is capable of taking on entire armies by herself without the aid of Link or any of the other Champions, yes? I mean if that's the case, why the hell was Link ever even appointed her knight? Seems like she can handle herself pretty well with just the Shiekah Slate. And I guess all those flashback scenes in BotW showing Zelda relying on Link to fight off the Yiga Clan and all those other monsters was inaccurate then?
Just because this game's story is canon to the BotW universe does not mean that everything else automatically is. Just because BotW is canon to the Zelda series does not mean me glitching out of bounds during the Trial of the Sword and skipping basically the entire challenge to get the Master Sword as easily as possible is also canon.
You assume so much. Let me put aside the fact that RTC is a bubble of sorts, we are a hardcore speculation part of an already niche part of the fanbase on one site. The fact of the matter is even if we look into shill reps, the general consensus is that BotW Zelda is far from the front runner. First, many people, particularly outside of here, will argue about the benefits of one of the Gen 8 Pokemon. Even putting that aside, you have Rex, who is generally seen as quite likely. While the idea of BotW2 getting a character has been floated around plenty of times, it seems at least on here and on the internet in general it is not the bandwagon pick you are assuming it is.Oh, you'd be surprised. Plenty of people have expressed that she's more likely as DLC. Their rationale is that, because Age of Calamity is releasing soon, that Nintendo may want to advertise it, or even BotW2, by adding a character in Smash as DLC.
You have to remember that that was in 2016. Now it is 2020. We not only have a sequel to a mainline Zelda game, which alone is rare especially on this scope, we have a canon spinoff. BotW Zelda could easily be seen as worth a second look with two whole games more of content to look over and represent, especially given the more distinct direction the BotW part of the series has gone.I think there's a world of difference, actually. When he was deliberating on which Zelda to use, it's not like he was picking between Robin or Chrom as the new Fire Emblem character for Smash 4 or anything. He was deciding on which design he would use for Ultimate's version of Zelda. It was between her modern design in BotW, or a more traditional design. One or the other. Ultimately, Sakurai chose a more traditional design.
First of all, you really are downplaying how much timing helps characters. It is part of the reason Rex is seen as far more likely than Elma. But even beyond that, you clearly are strawmanning everyone who thinks that BotW Zelda has a decent chance.I'm not all too surprised by it, but yeah, I do think it shouldn't happen. All this kind of bandwagoning does is lead people to predict characters more based on current trends rather than anything more substantial, despite the fact that, as history has shown us, it's practically useless as a method of determining who's getting in, so seeing so many people fall for it time and time again is incredibly disheartening and makes speculation rather dull.
Welp, I won't be able to participate in it due to school restarting the next day, and because of my European time zone, this would make me stay up way too late. Oh well, good luck to everyone that will take part in it.After a narrow vote, the RTC Toruney will be held on Sunday, November 1st, at 3:30 PM as a sign in time, and matches starting at 4:00 ish. Eastern Standard Time.
Holy ****, did the game bomb that hard?No music post for today because I seriously couldn't find any music tracks of The Stretchers online (all I get are Let's Plays and music from Dunkirk). The game does indeed have music but as far as I can tell no one has bothered to upload it yet. I guess I'll just post the launch trailer of the game so people know what it's about.
I get why they're not likely, but a character being made in Sweden is not an argument when we just got Steve. Where is Mojang located again?The Stretchers
I just don't see any reality where it hapened, especialy since it's made by Tarsier Studio, a company from Sweden, while Intelligent System is located near to Nintendo's hq, not more than a continent apart
That was a bad wording from me. I was trying to say that it cuoldn't be a situation like Byleth, where they would choose the character before/very close to the release of the game. I edited it to be more clear.I get why they're not likely, but a character being made in Sweden is not an argument when we just got Steve. Where is Mojang located again?