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I personally have never had a problem with the numbering in this system. I just expect echoes to be right next to their original fighter. Sorta an exception to the rule. Otherwise, Lucina would have her own number, and echoes are still not enough for their own fighter numbers. The only echo that is close enough to that is Ken, but not Lucina.
: 7.5/10 I like the pose though something about her hair and face feels off.: 7/10 Her hair is better though the pose itself is really bland. 9/10 Looks really cool actually6/10 Ok but bland
How 'bout you cold chill and stop bringing a bad attitude to an otherwise pleasant thread?
: Why are her hands so tiny on the sword?: Did the sword just shrink!? Her hand is huge on it!The number system is arbitrary as Doc shows. It also fails at its task of putting them in order of Smash debut as none of them except Richter are placed right. It also, as you kind of pointed out, makes them seem inferior which they are typically treated as lesser which is part of the problem.
- 6/10. She looks kinda pale. Are we sure she's not dead? It's pretty okay overall. - 7/10 This one's much more lively than the one in Smash 4, which isn't surprising since it's a later game, but the pose is also a bit better.
: 5/10: Boring, expressionless features, doing the Down b counter pose.: 4/10: Can we just agree that none of the Fire Emblem fighters have decent renders?
- 8/10 - I would like this one less if it wasn’t a direct reference to Awakening and also the way Chrom holds his Falchion. - 7/10 - Visually less interesting than the last render but acceptable nonetheless. Also, Falchion has shrunken for some reason.That’s just not true at all.
: 7/10 - The way she's holding her sword just looks really awkward to me. It's like she's peaking out from behind it. I do think her facial expression in this one's a bit better though.: 7.5/10 - I think the pose in this one's more natural, but overall it's still kinda meh. Her face in this one just looks so lifeless, like it was painted on or something.
Nope.
Hey now, I'd say
has a nice render! But that's a tale for another day.
: his new hairstyle makes a big difference, he looks more like himself than in the other renders. His outfit also looks the best here imo.: the outfit change is much better and I like the pose, but he's a bit too aggressive.: it's bland, but it's better than Melee.: it's like a totally different character than canon Marth.: the pose is a nice reference even if it's weird. I don't really like her face in Smash Bros but it doesn't look as bad here as the other render.: her face looks weird and her expression isn't really fitting. I don't think the way her hair is shown works well either 
- 4.5/10 - Arlright, why is she holding her sword like she has never picked one up in her life and never seen one used? Looks like someone's sheltered wife or daughter who tries picking up a weapon and looking all super serious while having no idea how to hold it. Her cape is also flowing wildly in the wind while her hair is very static which is conflicting. - 6.5/10 - Well at least her hair is actually moving alongside her cape here. She also learned how to hold a sword at least better than her poking the ground angle she was going for last time. Her facial features however took a downward turn and she looks even more doll like and generic than she did in 4's. She also has the original Marth issues with her color scheme being pretty uninteresting before he got updated. She is a blob of blue.That's something at least, but they're both still pretty doll faced except these open their mouths slightly to look more annoyed than the others. Doesn't help Roy and Robin while being given some facial expression... are the same direction for both of them. Been nice if they gave Robin a smug smile or something and gave Roy the shout. So it's not like hey look... two of them are making a face... the same face!
You're totally right: Should we do trophy poses from characters in previous games for comparison?
: 7/10 - While it's a reused pose, I still like that's it's a reference to her original pose.: 8/10 - This pose is better, though. Far more is going on, and it looks better and more interesting as a result. The wind blowing is also a good parallel to Marth.![Vic Viper [FR]](/data/avatars/l/419/419885.jpg?1547389840){kind=avatar}
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Did someone discover the secret in my original post?
Once we hit characters with alternate costumes that change their posing, I was going to. So yes, alternate costumes (with different poses) will be tackled. Not sure about Ike though since only his facial expression changed.
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: 6/10 I don't mind the pose itself though I'm not a fan of how his lower half is looking. The leg placement is odd and it looks like his tunic is clipping through his buckle.: 9.5/10 Cool pose and the determined/serious look feels very Link-ish.roy.exe
Like I'm just bored of these emotionless features Marth and Lucina have. I get it that they're supposed to look noble or something but I don't find that interesting at all.
: 4/10 - Looks stilted and awkward. Additionally, what is this pose supposed to represent? What is he doing here?: 9/10 - I love this pose! I gives him a determined expression common to all Links, but also adds a more obvious silhouette to him. And now he looks poised to strike some unseen foe. It just looks pretty cool.
4.5/10: Just... meh. Average. Don't really have many thoughts about it, though I could say his knees look rather thin compared to the rest of his legs. 8/10: Much better posing and facial expression...
: 4/10: Low quality, boring look, doesn't reflect anything at all.: 7/10: Still not that interesting.
: 9/10: 10/10
- 2.5/10 - This is pretty boring and meh. The aspect that he is holding his sword perfectly horizontal (or really close to) annoys me. - 9/10 - Much more exciting pose and coloring. However his eyes feel more painted which hurts his score.
> & > > CSSP
: 7.5/10 Cool pose with his sword, not much else to say. (CSSP art): 5/10 Looks like he's sitting at a bar listening to someone tell an interesting story. I always thought that sideways shot of his face looked weird.: 8.5/10 I love the pose and the flowing cape. Only issue I have is that his legs look sort of stiff.: 6.5/10 I like how his cape is torn near the bottom and that he has the cracks in his chest, but I'm really not a fan of that pose. Looks like he's thinking "hmmph I'll show them!" in a sassy manner.: 9/10 Everything about this render just screams King of Evil. I think the positions of his hands are what makes it so great.>>>> (CSSP)
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: 7/10 The pose is great, but his face feel a bit... ehhh, his design is by now dated (which is true for a lot of Melee characters, Melee DK I find hideous), but everything that's not the face I like... and I should point out something that's on his CSSP (I count both as the same) though I'm gonna use another picture cause it's too dark to properly see.
6/10: I should like this more than I do. I really like TP's design, but I think something was lost in translation. Maybe it's the lighting? Maybe it's the detail? I'm not sure, but I much prefer how Ganondorf looks ingame in TP, there's something raw and flat about that render. The pose itself is fine, but overall I'm "meh, it's okay" on the render.6/10: I like this pose better than Brawl's in terms of how it presents his face, and I prefer that lighting, but after reading Sari's comment... yeah I'm starting to see it too: "Looks like he's thinking "hmmph I'll show them!" in a sassy manner." This rating doesn't count how actually hideous he looks in front though, otherwise I'd drop that rating to a 3/10. 9.5/10:
7/10 css 9/10 8/10 10/10: : 6/10
: 3/10: it's ularia from reath of the Wild. : 5/10: He looks like he's at a party and tried to swat a fly and missed and executed this pose to not look awkward in front of everyone.: 6/10: This design is OK but I feel like TP D O R F overstayed in Smash.: 9/10: I cannot tell you how much I missed the Chad D O R F. It would be a 10/10 if he had some dark magic coming out of his fist or something.
- 5.5/10 - I kind of like the pose as it fits as some tanky bad guy you to take down. It's not the prettiest though. - 5/10 - I got to be honest going into the next two, I'm not big on Grandpadorf. He's squeezing some produce at the grocery store here in dramatic fashion. - 2.5/10 - Sassy Grandpa squeezes a avocado in local grocery store. It's laughable looking. - 10/10 - His nose (oddly enough he looks better with that nose than Grandpa Nose) points down towards his crotch pointing up guiding you to his hand. Interesting posture going on there. Besides that, I like what he is doing with his hands and feet positioning, looks solid. I also like the look in his eyes like he is evaluating how he is going to suck the next person into his crotch to let down a powerful foot slam on their head as they try to flee.
- 8/10 I’m not especially fond of this design, but I love this render. The way he’s calming resting his hands on his sword while looking as though he’s saying “I could kill you with this blade, but I don’t want to stain it” is very fitting for Ganondorf. - 8/10 This one exudes power and menace. I definitely get more of a King of Evil vibe from this one. It would be perfect if the Triforce of Power were visible on his outstretched hand. - 6.5/10 This one loses a lot of the authority that the previous renders had, but the addition of the stab wound on his chest is welcome. It needs something like dark energy emanating from his fist to make me feel like this is a world-destroying demon and not just a pretty bad guy. - 8/10 They went back to the pointy nose design, but this render returns the aura of menace that was missing last game. I especially like the sinister smile on his face. It looks as though he’s about to cast a devastating spell. He is a warlock, after all.
- 5/10 I must admit, I am a fan of this render by itself. Ganondorf just looks so cocky in this pose. However, the reason I am rating it at 5/10 is because he doesn't even use the sword he's behind. One of the things that can really put me off of a render is the presence of something that you cannot see in regular gameplay, although this doesn't happen often. It just feels like I'm looking at a different version of the character from another game. - 7/10 Now this is an evil man with passion! Look at his confidence. His raw power. This is a great man. He is good. - 6/10 This is just the Brawl render but wimpier. However, I do like the fist. - 10/10 CHAD CHAD CHAD CHAD CHAD>>>>>>>>CSSP
: 7/10 - Failure to have the sword in his moveset aside, this is honestly a nice render. Ganondorf may lack a strong silhouette, but his pose here just emanates power. It's a great fit in terms of his personality, so it gets points for that.: 5/10 - I think that this renders is decent. It has more dynamic cape movement, for one. But otherwise it looks like he's posing for a photo; he's got no expression, so he looks bored.: 7/10 - Indeed, Smash 4 fixes the expression issue somewhat, as Ganondorf now looks more determined, and his new pose is similar to the previous, but with more interesting elements. He keeps his more menacing aura this time.: 8/10 - I'm personally not fully sold on this new render. Nonetheless, his silhouette is quite defined here, and he's gotten his cocky grin back, so it ends up higher than the rest.
: the better design returns, and it's made so much better by the fact that he actually seems intimidating again after two games of being Smash grandpa.: solely because his OoT design is better. The sword is strange and unnecessary, but he has a powerful aura that the last two renders lack.: not a fan of this design, and the pose isn't the best, but the stab would and profile shot are better than the last render.: it's dull... I get what they were going for with the pose as it isn't bad, but he's missing that "power" vibe and doesn't have personality here.