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Donphan sucks compared to almost anything in the tiers above it.
Mamo doesn't have Rapid Spin, Seed Bomb, and Head Smash. It also looks ugly.
How do you even know Niiro was talking about Gen 5 though.
>gen V
>see all the post marveling at how good Donphan is.
Wat.
Tell that to Starmie.
Tell that to Swampert.
Stone Edge doesn't OHKO Dragonite, or Zapdos, doesn't 2HKO Azelf when combined with Ice Shard, and has only a tiny chance to OHKO Abomasnow even with Adamant and 200 Atk. Head Smash OHKOs all of them, except Azelf which it 2HKOs.
UltiMario thought you were talking about Gen 5 Donphan. In Gen 5 Sturdy has been changed to work like Focus Sash.
Cool hack bro.
lmao why does everything you hack just lose outright to breloom? Do you do it on purpose?
Forretress? Starmie?
It's for Pert/waters. Just like how ppl use HP grass just for Pert. Or HP Elec for Gyara, etc
It's an antilead set lol, not a tank.
Dunno if that is being sarcastic or not.
Okay, clearly you don't know what an anti-lead is. I should just stop here but I feel like letting off some steam so you're going to be my victim for the next 10 paragraphs.
It outspeeds Sassy/Relaxed Swampert and 2HKOs as multiple people have said time and time again. If you had reading comprehension above a 3rd grade level you'd probably know that, but given your atrocious spelling and grammar and frequent use of internet idioms in place of proper English, I seriously doubt that is the case. The only concern you should have against Swampert is if Pert actually does outspeed you, in which case you'll know immediately and be able to counter accordingly. Other bulky waters don't matter since Swampert is the only one used as a lead. And no **** that they can OHKO him with Surf. Did you know that fire types can OHKO Scizor with Flamethrower? And that electric types can OHKO Gyarados with Thunderbolt/punch? Astonishing, I know. I was in disbelief at first too, but then I did the damage calcs on all sorts of spreads and it still worked out to be true. I'd like to go on with other things that are easily apparent to anyone who knows **** about this game, but unfortunately I'll have to continue it in the comic book Captain Obvious: The Superhero vol. 2 # 48 (You can purchase it by using money!).
This is where I admit I was mistaken. I was under the impression that you were stating that Stone Edge would be a superior option to Head Smash, which it isn't. Are you honestly making an argument that you shouldn't use a move with a low accuracy on a lead though? I guess you don't use Fire Blast or Meteor Mash then, even though they're almost always the best option on the leads that use them. Have fun with your Flamethrower Infernape though, I'm sure it'll be really successful.
It's true that many of the problems that plague Mamoswine also affect Donphan. However, Donphan remedies this by having access to a 150 power physical attack that hits almost every non-steel in the metagame for neutral or better damage. Recoil or no, Head Smash is one of the best moves Donphan has period. He also takes 40% recoil max from Head Smashing Azelf, which will only kill him if Azelf decides to attack, in which case your opponent has to potentially lose his ability to get rocks up if you have another pokemon with a priority attack (Scizor). Otherwise, Donphan beats Azelf soundly, in fact it's probably his best matchup aside from Infernape. If Jirachi Tricks Donphan, he'll eat 91% at least and will probably be OHKO'd. And how is having 222 speed, STAB Earthquake, Head Smash, and a priority move useless exactly? It's certainly not as good as, say, being able to change moves, but it's far from useless. Donphan is only useless when he's dead or your opponent has CroCune. I already acknowledged that Donphan has trouble with bulky leads, including Uxie, Bronzong, Skarmory, Hippowdon, Forretress, and Kevin Bacon, but the difference between Donphan and Mamoswine is that Donphan still beats Azelf and Swampert, which are more used as leads than the rest of those combined.
And you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Please just stop talking.
Lum berry >>> so you can **** Gengar leads (lol) if they try to Hypnotize you. And it can also save your *** when a rotom switches in on a EQ and is intent on WoWing you.
Except Donphan isn't using rocks on the set anyway.
Really? Coulda sworn I saw it on a set somewhere...
JULY 2010 STANDARD LEAD
Battles: 485880
[...]
| 18 | Forretress | 16791 | 1.73 |
Lead Forretress was used on one of the leading OU Ladder teams. Same with Lead Skarmory.
Wait what.
ImperfectLuck topped the ladder running lead Blissey. Doesn't make it a good choice, especially with the rate he opened by switching out.
*Cough* I did. Ankoku didn't.
Sorry, I meant to say Gliscor. I just couldn't think of anything that ran Taunt at 4 in the morning.
lmao wow. This is a classic argument for player skill being more important than teambuilding. But I won't get into that now.
If you played this game for more than 2 months you'd know that.
Shadow Ball wasn't around in Gen 1. Wave+ did mention Special though, so I think he messed up.