Rate And Discuss Their Chances: Closed

[Jhonnykiller45]

Because he is so unlikely there is no point!

Yeah, that guy'll never get into Smash, his series is dead and he has no moveset potential. Hell, I don't even know why I like him !

 

[jigglover]

Yeah, that guy'll never get into Smash, his series is dead and he has no moveset potential. Hell, I don't even know why I like him !

I know, I can't believe Sakurai would even consider him!

 

[MelMoe]

Nominations

Olimar x3
Ike x2

Voting & Discussing

Marth

Personal Bias: 5
Likelihood: 5

Marth is the face of Fire Emblem. He isn't leaving, never.

Prediction

Geno: 0.37

 

[Ember Reaper]

Want: 5
Likelihood: 5

Main Fire Emblem Character. Biggest in the series.

Again nominate Vaati X5

 

[Opossum]

Ending the day a bit early due to me needing to do something else. Keep an eye out for the new day.

 

[Opossum]

The dust settled in the stadium after Marth's suave swordplay. Everyone in the stadium cheered for the most part. All except Jigglover, who openly claimed that he didn't like Marth. Marth was about to end him, but being the nice fellow he is, he let him go. (That's for the soup, ya rascal!) In the end, Marth received a great Want score of 4.55. He bowed, but it was premature. His Likelihood score was even better, with a 4.84. He gracefully bowed and marched out of the stadium, but not without giving Venus of the Desert Bloom 5 extra nominations.


A storm cloud grew wide above the stadium. Out of seemingly nowhere, a giant beam of starry light fell down from the heavens upon the arena. A familiar doll that had been tossed aside in the stands was struck with the beam, and slowly floated upward and emitted an ominous aura. The eyes lit up to show a Speculation Icon. It was Geno. He had returned from the pre-Brawl days to make others join his higher authority. Although many were skeptical of this third party demigod, he was adamant in proving his strengths.

"It's gonna be a long day," the guy with the opossum said under his breath.




It is now Day 45. You may rate Geno's want and likelihood while predicting Olimar's score for tomorrow. Tom Nook is eligible for Revoting. New list below...



[COLLAPSE="New Nomination List"]x101 Mr. Stevenson
x72 Mach Rider
x64 Shy Guy
x59 Lip
x58 Masked Man
x56 M. Bison
x55 Dr. Mario
x50 Kalas
x45 Groose
x40 Demise (alt. costume for Ganondorf)
x37 Sonic
x35 Lucina
x34 Leon Powalski
x33 Mike Jones
x32 Snake
x30 King Hippo
x30 Bandanna Dee
x29 Medusa
x28 Funky Kong
x22 Andy
x22 Black Mage
x22 Tingle
x22 Vaati
x20 Baby Mario & Luigi
x17 Ike
x17 Balloon Fighter
x17 Duck Hunt Dog
x17 Meowth
x16 Kamek
x14 Captain A
x13 Prince Sable
x12 Dillon
x11 Alexandra Roivas
x10 Hades
x10 Adam Malkovich
x10 Shadow the Hedgehog
x10 Daisy
x9 Sheriff
x9 Impa
x8 Travis Touchdown
x8 King Boo
x8 Scizor
x8 Nightmare (Soul Calibur)
x8 Pichu
x6 Pokemon Trainer
x6 Diskun
x5 Palutena (Revote)
x5 Animal Crosser
x5 Dr. Mario (alt costume)
x5 Deoxys
x4 Caeda
x4 K K Slider
x4 Jigglypuff
x3 Toon Zelda
x3 Meta Knight
x3 Dry Bowser (alternate costume)
x2 Slime
x2 Majora's Mask Link
x2 Genesect
x2 Zero Suit Samus
x2 KOS-MOS
x2 Leaf (Fire Emblem)
x1 Birdo
x1 Zero (Mega Man)
x1 Young Link
x1 Ninten
x1 Micaiah
x1 Ivy (Soul Caliber)
x1 Morrigan (Darkstalker)
x1 Chaos (Sonic the Hedgehog)
x1 Black Knight
x1 Shake King
x1 Terra Bradford
x1 Prince Fluff
x1 Tails
x1 Shadow
x1 Victini
x1 Hoenn Pokemon Trainer
x1 Magnus
x1 Ayumi Tachibana
x1 Pac Man
x1 Fawful
[/COLLAPSE]


[COLLAPSE="New Result Sheet"]Veterans:
1. Mario (5)
2. Luigi (5)
3. Peach (5)
4. Bowser (5)
5. Donkey Kong (5)
6. Diddy Kong (5)
7. Yoshi (5)
8. Wario (5)
9. Link (5)
10. Zelda (5)
11. Samus (5)
12. Kirby (5)
13. King Dedede (5)
14. Fox (5)
15. Pikachu (5)
16. Captain Falcon (5)
17. Pit (5)
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18. Ganondorf (4.98 in likelihood, 4.73 in want)
19. Ice Climbers (4.98 in likelihood, 4.58 in want)
20. Ness (4.94 in likelihood, 4.64 in want)
21. Marth (4.84 in likelihood, 4.55 in want)
21. R.O.B. (4.73 in likelihood, 4.15 in want)
22. Lucario (4.27 in likelihood, 4.34 in want)

Newcomers:
Top Ten:
1. King K. Rool (4.24 in likelihood, 4.36 in want)
2. Palutena (4.12 in likelihood, 3.65 in want)
3. Ridley (4.01 in likelihood, 4.19 in want)
4. Mewtwo (4.01 in likelihood, 4.17 in want)
5. Little Mac (3.8 in likelihood, 3.55 in want)
6. Takamaru (3.65 in likelihood, 3.14 in want)
7. Saki Amamiya (3.42 in likelihood, 3.59 in want)
8. Shulk (3.42 in likelihood, 3.05 in want)
9. Samurai Goroh (3.41 in likelihood, 3.44 in want)
10. Isaac (3.33 in likelihood, 3.62 in want)
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11. Zoroark (3.29 in likelihood, 2.52 in want)
12. Mega Man (3.18 in likelihood, 3.79 in want) (Capcom)
13. Roy (3.03 in likelihood, 3.33 in want)
14. Dixie Kong (2.96 in likelihood, 2.67 in want)
15. Krom (2.92 in likelihood, 2.35 in want)
16. Bowser Jr. (2.78 in likelihood, 2.75 in want)
17. Toad (2.74 in likelihood, 2.85 in want)
18. Krystal (2.42 in likelihood, 2.21 in want)
19. Muddy Mole (2.4 in likelihood, 3.03 in want)
20. Starfy (2.32 in likelihood, 2.74 in want)
21. Paper Mario (2.28 in likelihood, 2.88 in want)
22. Mii (2.25 in likelihood, 2 in want)
23. Ghirahim (2.23 in likelihood, 2.77 in want)
24. Waluigi (2.09 in likelihood, 2.2 in want)
25. Dark Samus (1.91 in likelihood, 2.28 in want)
26. Black Shadow (1.72 in likelihood, 1.99 in want)
27. Chibi-Robo (1.63 in likelihood, 2.71 in want)
28. Ray (1.34 in likelihood, 2.94 in want)
29. Lyndis (1.1 in likelihood, 1.93 in want)
30. Plusle & Minun (1.04 in likelihood, 1.12 in want)
31. Lloyd Irving (0.97 in likelihood, 1.59 in want) (Namco Bandai)
32. Rosalina (0.84 in likelihood, 2.4 in want)
33. Skull Kid (0.64 in likelihood, 2.22 in want)
34. Tom Nook (0.53 in likelihood. 2.04 in want)
35. Sukapon (0.48 in likelihood, 2.18 in want)
36. Anna (0.47 in likelihood, 0.9 in want)
37. Yoshimitsu (0.35 in likelihood, 1.05 in want) (Namco Bandai)[/COLLAPSE]

 

[lobotheduck21]

want 2.5: indifferent
likely hood 0: his chances have been low since day one, espessially since he's got to contend with Neku, Sora, and the 50 or so popular DQ and FF characters

nominations: Mr. Stevenson x 5

prediction: 4.85

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Want: 2
I don't personally care about him very much. I wasn't blown away by SMRPG, mostly because later Mario RPGs did most of what SMRPG did better. Plus, I don't really want any new Mario characters.
Likelihood: 2
He's a one-shot, third party character from a decade-old relatively obscure game. I think that there are other characters that are more popular, even among Mario reps.

OM NOM NOMs: Doctor Mario x5

Prediction for Olimar: 4.54

 

[Ghirahilda]

Want: 5
My second most wanted character from Mario series.

Likelihood: 1
To many competition with other Mario characters. Also, he is a one-shot character.

Nominations: Jigglypuff x5

Olimar prediction: 4.74

 

[Pichu4SSB4]

Want: 4
While he isn't a huge Mario character, he is a pretty darn respected character for being in just one game. I honestly think he needs a comeback.

Likelihood: 2
There are more characters from Mario that just seems more likely than him, but since Square has been with Nintendo's side lately. Even the SMRPG Mushroom Kingdom theme returned in Fortune Street. So there could be a SLIGHT chance. But just barely.

Nominations: Pichu (FTW) x5

Olimar prediction 3.99
The reason my prediction for Olimar is this low is because he's not going to be the main character in Pikmin 3, and since it always seems the Smash rosters are up to date. (Lucario over Mewtwo, TP Link over OOT Link)

 

[lobotheduck21]

Olimar prediction 3.99
The reason my prediction for Olimar is this low is because he's not going to be the main character in Pikmin 3, and since it always seems the Smash rosters are up to date. (Lucario over Mewtwo, TP Link over OOT Link)

He's the FACE, of the series, just like marth who is not even in half of the FE games

 

[Pichu4SSB4]

He's the FACE, of the series, just like marth who is not even in half of the FE games

Pretty much, but then again. Mewtwo is a lot more iconic than Lucario, yet he was still replaced.

 

[lobotheduck21]

Pretty much, but then again. Mewtwo is a lot more iconic than Lucario, yet he was still replaced.

Lucario did not replace Mewtwo, they were both planned, but mewtwo was cut in order to add Sonic.

 

[Pichu4SSB4]

Lucario did not replace Mewtwo, they were both planned, but mewtwo was cut in order to add Sonic.

Yeah, well. Lucario still made it in instead of Mewtwo, let's just say that. Majority of the community sees Lucario as a replacement anyway regarding some of the similar moves they share.

 

[lobotheduck21]

Yeah, well. Lucario still made it in instead of Mewtwo, let's just say that. Majority of the community sees Lucario as a replacement anyway regarding some of the similar moves they share.

Anyways, unfair to compare a franchise with 8 main games and like 30 spin-offs games with over 500 playable characters to a 3 game franchise with 7 playable characters. Out of those characters, only 1 has been playable in multiple games, Olimar.

 

[Pichu4SSB4]

Anyways, unfair to compare a franchise with 8 main games and like 30 spin-offs games with over 500 playable characters to a 3 game franchise with 7 playable characters. Out of those characters, only 1 has been playable in multiple games, Olimar.

Just using an example for how Smash rosters are up to date with characters, but i suppose you're right, comparing Pokemon to Pikmin is like comparing pizza toppings to peanut butter. :|

 

[lobotheduck21]

Just using an example for how Smash rosters are up to date with characters, but i suppose you're right, comparing Pokemon to Pikmin is like comparing pizza toppings to peanut butter. :|

Not really, a while ago Sakurai said the only new games that deserved characters was Pikmin and Animal Crossing

 

[Pichu4SSB4]

Not really, a while ago Sakurai said the only new games that deserved characters was Pikmin and Animal Crossing

Oh, from an interview or something? Probably haven't seen it yet.

 

[lobotheduck21]

Oh, from an interview or something? Probably haven't seen it yet.

I haven't seen it either, but tons of people on here have talked about it.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Ah ****, Oh well...he's a lock anyways.

Anyways, Geno geno geno. Interesting but fairly unlikely character. Despite being considered a Mario character, he's property that is owned by Square Enix. That is what makes him especially to predict is that he is sometimes considered a 1st party character but is actually a 3rd party. Being that, is totally depends on if SE is willing to give those property rights to Nintendo. While it may sound easy and right (given Geno's status as a Mario character), SE is pretty rigid and strict about their property rights and don't seem to give them out much. However, Nintendo and SE has begun teaming up in making games such as Fortune Street Wii and Mario Hoops 3 on 3. This may be a indication of an working relationship between the two coompanies,.

Also, the comment Sakurai made in regards to Geno, Isaac, or Megaman being included into Smash 4 does bear some weight when discussing Geno. However, this is not an indication that Geno will be included and, therefore, can be taken as proof. Geno has appeared on numerous Smash polls including Sakurai's pre-Brawl polll. He has constantly ranked high in them and, while his support has waned inbetween Smash 4 and now, he still has a considerable following.

Despite that, his greatest hurdle is his creator, Square Enix.

Want: 4.1
Likeliness: 1.3

Olimar's Prediction: 4.7

Noms: M. Bixon x5

 

[lobotheduck21]

Marth is the face of Fire Emblem and easily the most recognizable FE character for Smash fans. It was because of Marth and Roy that FE came into the west. Additionally, Marth received a spot in SSBB and recently received a remake of his original game. Needless to say, Marth will return, no doubt about it.

Want: 5
Likeliness; 5

Geno's Prediction: 2.4

Noms: M. Bison x5

were on geno bro

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Ah cool. Thanks.

I edited my previous post with my Geno assessment; not Marth.

 

[Claire Diviner]

Geno...

Want: 2.5 - Geno is cool, but I never cared for him all that much. My favorite characters were Mario Bowser and Peach anyway.

Likelihood: 0.5 - Let's face it: The only reason his likelihood is so low is because Nintendo needs Square-Enix's permission to put Geno in the game. That said, Square-Enix has more character they can rep than Geno, unless Nintendo decides to allow more than one rep for Square-Enix. The only reason I don't give a flat-out 0 is because Geno is popular and requested enough to warrant some kind of likelihood. That, and Geno did appear, albeit in cameo, in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga.

Prediction for Olimar: 4.23

I nominate KOS-MOS x5.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Primary post updated.

As for Geno, his likelihood is a "1" from me. Not only is Geno a one-time only character, but he's also owned by Square Enix. If Square Enix plans on having a rep, odds are, it won't be Geno.

 

[---]

Also, the comment Sakurai made in regards to Geno, Isaac, or Megaman being included into Smash 4 does bear some weight when discussing Geno.

You do realize that that was disproved and was found to have been photoshopped? The guy who came up with that rumor even came onto the old Wii U thread and called us all a bunch of idiots...among other things...that we reported...


Want: 0
Likeliness: 0

"a-hyuk"

x5 Ike

 

[Jhonnykiller45]

Damn, why did Geno have to be no.45 ?!
Anyways, for Geno:
Want- 0
Likelihood- 0

Nah, he has only appeared in spin-offs, he's never gonna get in
In all seriousness, Geno's impossible, because, not only is he tecnicaly third party, he hasn't appeared in a game for over 15 years.

Prediction for the cheapest mother ***** ever Olimar- 4.8

Nominations
Dr. Mario
Snake
Sonic
Mach Rider
Ike

 

[BKupa666]

Want: 0.5
Likelihood: 0.33

Geno's only shot is that Sakurai looks at Brawl's polls as a way to determine characters' popularity. I think he's smarter than this, and knows that there are scads of better representations of Mario RPGs, scads of better Mario reps in general, not to mention an infinite number of more important and popular third parties which would be superior options on which to spend spondooli.

Predicting 4.56 for Olimar. Eat it, "guy."
Nominate Groose x3, Hades x2

 

[nessokman]

the masked man x3
dark samus x2

 

[Arcadenik]

Geno?

Want = 0
Likelihood = 0.5

I absolutely loved Super Mario RPG when I was a kid but I am sorry Geno fans, I find him to be the #1 overrated Smash candidate. An one-time Mario character who is also a third-party character who have not been in a game since 1996? Why pick Geno over Nintendo-owned Mario characters like Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario? Why pick Geno over characters from Square Enix's more popular/successful/iconic franchises like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest? Why pick Geno over Nintendo-owned retro characters like Takamaru, Balloon Fighter, etc.? Geno has too much competition for the Mario/Third Party/Retro slots that it's just not worth it.

Nominations = King Hippo, Duck Hunt Dog, Tingle, Meowth, Impa

 

[deuxhero]

Want: 2: Could be cool, but not intrested that much
Likely: .5: SE owned and SE has bigger fish.
Nominate: Alexandra x5

 

[SmashShadow]

Want: 4.85
likelihood: 2.0
While he is technically 3rd party Sakurai said his problem with them is making sure they fit well with the nintendo worlds...which he does since he's only been in mario games. Not to mention that he is still heavily requested. Also, what's to keep him from going and asking SE if he could put Geno in Smash. It doesn't have to be him asking them if they want A character in smash but more-so asking if they want Geno in smash.

Olimar: 4.62

5x Masked Man

 

[Ember Reaper]

Want: 5 Love the guy.
Likelihood: 2

Could go either way, possible, but unlikely

Nom: X5 Masked Man

 

[Deleted member]

Geno:
Want: 0
He's overrated.
Likelihood: 0.01
While not impossible, he's just not going to happen. He's a very minor Mario character not even owned by Nintendo.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Want: 5

Liklihood: 2

Mario RPG was glorious. For YEARS it was my favorite game, and yet I didn't actually own it to more later. I rented it all I could from the Rental stores, which I wasn't able to visit often. I loved being able to adventure through the mushroom kingdom like never before, and bring along a whole cast of character EVEN FRIGGIN' BOWSER. It was awesome playing as Bowser and Mario RPG was the first time I was able to do it. I didn't get a N64 until some years after it came out so I spent a lot more time with Super Nintendo games than most people.

(Bowser/ Dry Bowser is my favorite Mario character)

Of the characters, my party always consisted of Mario, Bowser, and Geno. I'm not into that healing BS. Just throw as much power at them as I can (Which is REALLY something I never would do in any other RPG) Bowser would tank while Geno and Mario would pile on the damage.

At first, I REALLY didn't like the idea of other non-Mario characters in the game. There are plenty of other characters they could have used instead of stupid ol' Geno and Mallow. BUT, they really grew on me. Geno's introduction as the sacred warrior from the heavens to save the mushroom kingdom was just great. And the fact he picked a body that was able to KO Mario while it was still unpowered by his Star Magic just went to show how strong this guy really was.

I didn't realize how strong he really was until EXOR. Friggin' Exor kicked my *** every time I fought him. Time after time.

After some time looking online (Back then we had these things called 56k modems) I found out if you time Geno whirl correctly it does 9999. However, it doesn't work against bosses. EXCEPT FOR EXOR.

From then on Geno became my secret weapon. During regular battles, Geno whirl assured 1 kill while I focused on the other enemies. I used it precisely and efficiently and ground levels like crazy.

The one thing that pissed me off about Geno though is his ultimate weapon, the star gun, is IMPOSSIBLE to time hit correctly.

During Brawl days, I came to this forum to see which characters were likely for Brawl. Of the topics, I was surprised to see that people actually supported Geno for Smash. I thought, that is actually really cool. He was a great character in the game, and he'd make an awesome character in the smash series. I typed something like: "Geno is one character i'd really support, I'd even forgive them if they left out King Dedede if Geno got in" King Dedede is one of my favorite Nintendo characters of all but I didn't know if they would add him or not at the time.

Through the Geno thread I learned that Sakurai had actually mentioned Geno a few times on polls and the likes, in both pre-Brawl and pre-melee days. However, I also learned that Square - the *******s - actually own him. That's fine as much as I care. He's still a Mario character in everyone's eyes.

I was disappointed when he didn't get in Brawl, but I can still dream of him in SM4SH.



Also I believe the whole "Geno would not be the rep for Square" thing is stupid. Of course he wouldn't be. I don't think he'd be. I do believe they could work something out

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Also I believe the whole "Geno would not be the rep for Square" thing is stupid. Of course he wouldn't be. I don't think he'd be. I do believe they could work something out

One way for them to go around that if for Nintendo to buy the rights of Geno. However, that is only possible if SE agrees. Smash 4 could be the catalyst to broker such a deal. Instead of appearing as a SE rep, it could appear as a Mario rep. A newly bought and licensed rep.

Unlikely but not impossible.

 

[MelMoe]

Nominations

Ike x5

Voting & Discussing

Geno

Personal Bias: 0.89
Likelihood: 0

Geno will not make it. He is a third party Mario character. Square has better third party characters to choose from, like Black Mage. He may be a popular character, but compared to Black Mage and various other Square & Mario characters he is not. He is also a one shot character from 1996, third parties need to be characters that are easily recognized. Super Mario RPG was released on the Virtual Console in 2008 but I don't think that increases his chances.

I never finished Super Mario RPG, so I barely got to see Geno in action. He's a possessed puppet so that's cool.

Prediction

Olimar: 5

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Can't Nintendo contract Geno without him having to rep the Square Enix company?

Like a lease of the character or something?

The whole belief that he'd HAVE to rep Square Enix is really stupid

 

[Xhampi]

Want : 0.5
The only reason why I don't give him a 0 is because I liked Super Mario RPG.

Likelihood : 0.3
He appeared in two mario games, TWO and one on these was a little cameo.
If the Mario series was like the Mother series with only 3 games he would have a chance, but there are more than 100 games in the Mario series, how can he be a good representative of these games ?

And as a Square Enix character it's as bad, he don't even appear in a Square Enix game other than Super Mario RPG, not even as a cameo in the games made with Nintendo after that game, how can he be a good representative of Square Enix ?

Only things he have for him is poppularity and the fact that a Super Mario RPG was supposed to be in Brawl but it's not enough to claim a playable character slot especially if we are not going to have many new playable characters.

 

[Opossum]

Dododododo DO do do dooooo


Geno time. 9999 damage.


Want:2.9

I like the character. Wide arsenal of moves to use, and a cool story. However, I can live without him.

Likelihood: 0.5

His support has waned since pre-Brawl, and even then it wasn't enough for him. I know Sakurai likes going back to see who was popular, but considering the legalities, and the fact that his support diminished, I don't see why he'd bother.

Predicting a 4.68 for Olimar

x5 Jigglypuff (may as well get the Original 12 out of the way...)

 

[yani]

Geno:

Want = 5
Likelihood = 2.8

He's been mentioned in Sakurai's journal, really darn popular pre-Brawl, and we have the character Sakurai wanted but couldn't get the rights to in Brawl issue, which I believe is Geno (I'm confident in saying it isn't Starfy, James Bond/any other Rare characters). While it is true that Square Enix has better characters to represent themselves, that's not what Smash is about. It's about the character, and Geno is still probably the most wanted Square character. If Sakurai wants Geno, he'll try (or try again )