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Rate and Discuss Their Chances: Snake

Notice: As of 10/21, the game has been discontinued.



Previous Character: Sonic (4.42 in likelihood, 4.55 in want)
Up For Prediction: Lip
Up for Discussing and Voting: Snake
Eligible for Re-Voting: (updates every day)
King K. Rool
Ridley
Takamaru
Dark Samus
Muddy Mole
Palutena
Mewtwo
Chibi-Robo
Isaac
Starfy
Shulk
Tom Nook
Lloyd Irving
Zoroark
Ness
Roy
Sukapon
Bowser Jr.
Krystal
Up for Re-voting:
None yet.


Welcome everyone to the revival of what is known as Rate Their Chances!

Speculation is an important part of the Smash Bros. community. Almost everyone in the community has at least one desire for a character to join up in Smash and there are many of us here with many hopes and dreams in regards to the rosters. Smash Bros. is of course about the characters and as such, the most heated discussion before the release of the game is of course the characters.

What many people love about discussing characters is discussing their likelihood. They want to show the world that the character they dream of is a possibility and are willing to debate, argue, flame, and tear their way to have people understand their points. Rate Their Chances is intended to reflect that same feeling in regards to debate and even arguing if it gets intense (not so much flaming). Almost anyone is fair game, so the next 1 2/3 - 2 2/3 years will be one of Smash 4's greatest spectacle in speculation.

So with that said let the debates and voting begin!

(but before you start, make sure to read below. All of it)

How To Play:
Of course we can't play this game without knowing how to, so as we would expect from all games, a way to play it needs to be known.

Days occur on a daily basis. They will always be at least twenty-four hours, but sometimes may have to be longer due to scheduling at work, although I will try to get to as close as twenty-four hours as possible.

There are four phase; nominations, prediction, voting and discussing, and result. All four phases occur on a daily basis and at the same time, just with different characters in them.

Phase One - Nominations: For Day One only, this will be the only phase due to candidates up for predictions or voting. This phase is where you can nominate a character, in which you have five nominations (or ten if you win the prediction for a character). Every character who is eligible and everyone who has not reached the prediction or voting phase yet are in the nominations phase. Nominations do not restart after a day, they simply add up. Nominating is optional, but heavily recommended. The one that receives the most nominations will go on to the next phase, which is...

Phase Two - Prediction: This phase starts with the second most nominated character on the first day and every day after that the one who is the most nominated. Here, you predict the final score the character gets during the discussion and voting phase tomorrow, using a decimal number system from 0 to 5 with degrees up to the hundredth (example is 3.21). A phase for this exist so that cheating is prevented during the voting phase. Note that the prediction is only used for likelihood score. Predicting a character's score is optional, but also recommended.

Phase Three - Discussion and Voting: Starts coming in Day Two with whoever gets the most nomination on the first day. Any other characters on succeeding days will get in after going through Phase Two. Here is where you can discuss and vote for a character's likelihood and how much you want the character. When rating how much you want the character and using likelihood, like prediction, you will also use a 0 to 5 scale, using a decimal number system up to the hundredth. Last version of the game used a letter grade system, but with letter grades for likelihood and wants and a decimal number system for predictions, things got very confusing and disorganized. Having both as decimal number keep things much less confusing.

Voting for a character's likelihood and discussing it is mandatory if you are going to mention the character (unless of course you do not feel you can properly judge a character's odd and as such, decide to abstain). However, voting for how much you want a character is optional.

Phase Four - Results: Occurs starting Day Four. The final result for likelihood and wants are tallied up and presented to the thread. The one who's prediction for likelihood for a character is the closest will win five more nominations (or ten if they get it right). If multiple people get the same prediction, only the one who predict first will win.

Re-voting: A character cannot be re-voted until after one month has passed since they were voted. This is to ensure that the character can get a fair try again with new perspective, but also that they aren't abused in discussion. In order for a character who hasn't been voted for in a month to be voted again, they need 100 nominations. Note that nominations for re-votes are included within the five (or more) nominations you have for the day, so you cannot pour five nominations into a re-vote and vote for five other characters who have yet to be voted on.

When a character is nominated, they follow the same phase Two-Four as new characters, but they do not replace the new character; rather they compliment it and both are predicted, rated, and discussed.

The Seven Deadly Rules:
In this intense forum where flame wars are very susceptible to breaking out, some order will be needed to keep things clean.

1. 4th party characters, ones who have not been on a Nintendo console, or ones that do not exist are not eligible for ratings. So no Goku, Master Chief, or 7th Gen Pokemon.

2. This is a game, please treat it as such. Respect everyone's opinion, including ones who you dissent from.

3. Debates about the character is fine, in fact, encouraged. However, flame wars are not tolerated and will be punished on site. Those who participates in them will be reported for flaming and lose the ability to nominate characters or vote for two days on the first offense. Second offense is four days, third offense is a permanent ban from participating in this game.

4. Bias is inevitable when it comes to opinions, but keep them in check. Giving a character a 0 or 5 in likelihood because you loathe/love the character will cause your vote to be skipped over. Troll voting is also unacceptable and that will result in you being unable to nominate or vote a character for two days.

5. Any of the characters below are not eligible due to being agreed upon 99% universally that they will be in:

- Mario
- Luigi
- Peach
- Bowser
- Donkey Kong
- Diddy Kong
- Yoshi
- Wario
- Link
- Zelda
- Samus
- Pit
- Kirby
- King Dedede
- Fox
- Pikachu
- Captain Falcon

Anyone else is fair game. Veterans from Melee and Brawl will be put into their own category and all of the veterans not eligible will be put in with a 5. This is to prevent a case of "why are we voting someone so obvious it's not funny?"

6. Do not use this thread to "increase/decrease" a character's odds. This thread is a game, meaning that it should be treated as such; just for fun and nothing else.

7. NEVER, EVER, counter the ratings. People are entitled to have dissenting opinions from you. Giving a character a low or high score because scores looks unfavorable to you shows that you are butthurt. Anyone who does this will suffer the same punishment like with flaming.

Failure to adhere to these rules will result in your ability to participate in this thread being removed.

Fallacious Arguments That Are Not Allowed:
I encourage any form of logic in debates, but what I don't accept are arguments that are pure bias (unless that bias is used for how much they want a character and only that). Some arguments that will invalidate a vote if no valid arguments is present:

This character sucks/rocks and won't/will be in because of this: Love/hate the character? Give high or low score on the want scale. Rating chances requires you try to be objective and explain why you believe your choice has the shot it does. If all your chances vote are influence by pure bias, then you shouldn't be participating.

She's a female, therefore likely: And before anyone points to what Sakurai said about Zero Suit Samus, she fulfilled Sakurai's four criteria's, so she would have still gotten in even if Sakurai wasn't concern about adding females. Females that do get in will get in by their own merit and what Sakurai thinks of them, not by affirmative action.

He/she/it is a villain: Since when has Sakurai ever added a character based off being a villain? Villains will only be added if they are worthy of a spot, If being a villain is all you have, then you have no ground to stand on saying a character has a shot of being in.

He/she/it has no potential for fighting!: Unless you can explain why the character doesn't have the potential to fight, then if this is all you have, your vote is invalidated. End of story.

He/she/it will be in because... I say so!: Explain why you think a character's odd is what they are. Don't just slap in a likelihood rating and expect me to count it. It in no way does it show that you have reasons to believe that a character is of that likelihood.

He/she/it is too small/big!: Everytime someone use this argument, counter it with Bowser and Olimar being re-sized. This argument holds no water and should be swatted like flyswatter.

This character is popular because of the VGTribune poll!: Let me make this clear. We do not ever use that disgrace of a poll in here. That poll has been rigged to death, so the result is obviously biased. Dunsparce is not a popular request, that is a fact. And yet that got into the semi-final, so it should tell you how illegitimate the poll is.

FAQs:
[COLLAPSE="Why did the old thread get locked?"]Mainly because the old system was so complicated that it confused a lot of people. A much simpler version will work out much better.

[COLLAPSE="I want to participate in this, but I don't know where to start for or against a character's chances."]The most important thing to look at is Sakurai's four criteria. Every character in Brawl met this, so it's a good thing to go by. The four criteria Sakurai mentioned are:

- People must want to play as this character
- The character must be unique
- The character must fit into the game
- The character must be adaptable

If a character fits, chances are that they have a realistic chance of getting in.

Other things to keep in mind is the importance of the character, Sakurai's bias and interest in a character's inclusion for SSB4, and to a lesser extend, representation. Also keep in mind that Sakurai usually includes transformation when discussing characters, saying that Melee has 26 instead of 25 and Brawl has 39 instead of 35. Relevance, promotion and patterns are also allowed in here, since I can see the reason why people use them, but given that Sakurai has stated nothing about any of these being a contributing factor, I would discourage people from using it and stick to what Sakurai has stated.[/COLLAPSE]
[COLLAPSE="Once we vote/predict, are we allow to change them?"]Of course, but you are only allowed to change predictions during the prediction phase and vote during the voting phase. This is to prevent cheating.[/COLLAPSE]
[COLLAPSE="Will voting veterans and newcomers come at the same time or will only one character be voted, regardless of status, and are veterans and newcomers nominations counted differently?"]nly one character will be voted, regardless of status. You only get five nominations, regardless of whenever or not it's a veteran or a newcomer.[/COLLAPSE]
[COLLAPSE="How long is this game going to last"]Unless there is some major hiccups or e-drama that cause the thread to be closed, it should last until Smash 4 gets released.[/COLLAPSE]
[COLLAPSE="Super Smash Bros. 4 has been released! Will you be doing one for SSB5"]Almost certainly not. I am planning on going retro after SSB4 releases since it is one of the last games I am anticipating. If someone wants a SSB5 variation, they are going to have to take over for that game.[/COLLAPSE]
[COLLAPSE="Lame. We're only discussing and rating characters? What else is there to it"]Music to fit the character. You can mention music for specific characters if you want more of a soundtrack for it while it is still up in discussion/voting phase. I will also create a game thread specifically for the General Discussion SSB4 forum, which will cover other aspects of the game.[/COLLAPSE]
[COLLAPSE="Anything I can do to help?"]A banner would be nice, but not necessary. However, you can help by suggesting how to improve this so that this can be a more enjoyable experience for everyone.[/COLLAPSE]
[COLLAPSE="Yay! A character did well in ratings! I'm going to use this to push a character I want!"]Did you hear? Bad things happen when you try to use this to push for characters inclusion.[/COLLAPSE][/COLLAPSE]
Veterans and Newcomers:
Want to see how a character did? Check here:

Veterans:
1. Mario (5)
2. Luigi (5)
3. Peach (5)
4. Bowser (5)
5. Donkey Kong (5)
6. Diddy Kong (5)
7. Yoshi (5)
8. Wario (5)
9. Link (5)
10. Zelda (5)
11. Samus (5)
12. Kirby (5)
13. King Dedede (5)
14. Fox (5)
15. Pikachu (5)
16. Captain Falcon (5)
17. Pit (5)
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18. Ganondorf (4.98 in likelihood, 4.73 in want)
19. Ice Climbers (4.98 in likelihood, 4.58 in want)
20. Olimar (4.96 in likelihood, 4.52 in want)
21. Ness (4.94 in likelihood, 4.64 in want)
22. Jigglypuff (4.84 in likelihood, 4.59 in want)
23. Marth (4.84 in likelihood, 4.55 in want)
24. R.O.B. (4.73 in likelihood, 4.15 in want)
25. Ike (4.49 in likelihood, 4.56 in want)
26. Sonic (4.42 in likelihood, 4.55 in want)
27. Lucario (4.27 in likelihood, 4.34 in want)

Newcomers:
Top Ten:
1. King K. Rool (4.24 in likelihood, 4.36 in want)
2. Palutena (4.12 in likelihood, 3.65 in want)
3. Ridley (4.01 in likelihood, 4.19 in want)
4. Mewtwo (4.01 in likelihood, 4.17 in want)
5. Little Mac (3.8 in likelihood, 3.55 in want)
6. Takamaru (3.65 in likelihood, 3.14 in want)
7. Saki Amamiya (3.42 in likelihood, 3.59 in want)
8. Shulk (3.42 in likelihood, 3.05 in want)
9. Samurai Goroh (3.41 in likelihood, 3.44 in want)
10. Isaac (3.33 in likelihood, 3.62 in want)
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11. Zoroark (3.29 in likelihood, 2.52 in want)
12. Mega Man (3.18 in likelihood, 3.79 in want) (Capcom)
13. Roy (3.03 in likelihood, 3.33 in want)
14. Dixie Kong (2.96 in likelihood, 2.67 in want)
15. Krom (2.92 in likelihood, 2.35 in want)
16. Bowser Jr. (2.78 in likelihood, 2.75 in want)
17. Toad (2.74 in likelihood, 2.85 in want)
18. Krystal (2.42 in likelihood, 2.21 in want)
19. Muddy Mole (2.4 in likelihood, 3.03 in want)
20. Mach Rider (2.38 in likelihood, 2.8 in want)
21. Starfy (2.32 in likelihood, 2.74 in want)
22. Paper Mario (2.28 in likelihood, 2.88 in want)
23. Mii (2.25 in likelihood, 2 in want)
24. Balloon Fighter (2.23 in likelihood, 3.32 in want)
25. Ghirahim (2.23 in likelihood, 2.77 in want)
26. Dr. Mario (2.1 in likelihood, 2.35 in want)
27. Waluigi (2.09 in likelihood, 2.2 in want)
28. Dark Samus (1.91 in likelihood, 2.28 in want)
29. Black Shadow (1.72 in likelihood, 1.99 in want)
30. Chibi-Robo (1.63 in likelihood, 2.71 in want)
31. Claus (1.54 in likelihood, 2.49 in want)
32. Ray (1.34 in likelihood, 2.94 in want)
33. Lyndis (1.1 in likelihood, 1.93 in want)
34. Plusle & Minun (1.04 in likelihood, 1.12 in want)
35. Geno (0.98 in likelihood, 2.46 in want)
36. Lloyd Irving (0.97 in likelihood, 1.59 in want) (Namco Bandai)
37. Rosalina (0.84 in likelihood, 2.4 in want)
38. Skull Kid (0.64 in likelihood, 2.22 in want)
39. Tom Nook (0.53 in likelihood. 2.04 in want)
40. Sukapon (0.48 in likelihood, 2.18 in want)
41. Anna (0.47 in likelihood, 0.9 in want)
42. Yoshimitsu (0.35 in likelihood, 1.05 in want) (Namco Bandai)
43. Shy Guy (.22 in likelihood, .7 in want)[
44. Mr. Stevenson (0.1 in likelihood, 0.29 in want)

Changes to Characters:

Alternate Costumes:


Nominations:
x79 M. Bison
x73 Lucina
x68 Vaati
x67 Groose
x65 Baby Mario & Luigi
x65 Bandanna Dee
x50 Kalas
x46 Tingle
x44 King Hippo
x40 Demise (alt. costume for Ganondorf)
x39 Medusa
x36 Mike Jones
x34 Leon Powalski
x34 KOS-MOS
x32 Pichu
x29 Meta Knight
x28 Funky Kong
x27 Hades
x27 Meowth
x25 Prince Sable
x25 Duck Hunt Dog
x23 Andy
x22 Black Mage
x21 Alexandra Roivas
x21 Impa
x20 Kamek
x20 Travis Touchdown
x18 Dillon
x18 Adam Malkovich
x15 Sheik
x15 Toon Zelda
x14 Captain A
x14 Bayonetta (Sega)
x12 Sheriff
x11 Daisy
x11 King Boo
x10 Shadow the Hedgehog
x10 Dr. Mario (alt costume)
x9 Scizor
x8 Nightmare (Soul Calibur)
x8 Mewtwo (Revote)
x8 Dry Bowser (alternate costume)
x7 Pokemon Trainer
x6 Porky Minch
x6 Diskun
x5 Dimentio
x5 Tetra
x5 Palutena (Revote)
x5 Animal Crosser
x5 Deoxys
x5 K K Slider
x5 Isaac (re-vote)
x4 Caeda
x3 Samurai Goroh (Revote)
x3 Ninten
x3 Black Knight
x3 Pac Man
x2 Slime
x2 Little Mac (Revote)
x2 Dark Samus (Revote)
x2 Majora's Mask Link
x2 Genesect
x2 Zero Suit Samus
x2 Leaf (Fire Emblem)
x2 Victini
x1 Birdo
x1 Zero (Mega Man)
x1 Young Link
x1 Micaiah
x1 Ivy (Soul Caliber)
x1 Morrigan (Darkstalker)
x1 Chaos (Sonic the Hedgehog)
x1 Shake King
x1 Donphan
x1 Terra Bradford
x1 Prince Fluff
x1 Tails
x1 Shadow
x1 Hoenn Pokemon Trainer
x1 Magnus
x1 Ayumi Tachibana
x1 Fawful
x1 Lloyd Irving (Revote)


Links and References:
Day One (Nominations): #1 - #34
Day Two (King K. Rool): #34 - #68
Day Three (Ridley): #68 - #94
Day Four (Takamaru): #94 - #136
Day Five (Dark Samus): #136 - #191
Day Six (Muddy Mole): #191 - #243
Day Seven (Palutena): #243 - #285
Day Eight (Mewtwo): #285 - #383
Day Nine (Chibi-Robo): #383 - #422
Day Ten (Isaac): #422 - #469
Day Eleven (Starfy): #469 - #509
Day Twelve (Shulk): #509 - #544
Day Thirteen (Tom Nook): #544 - #582
Day Fourteen (Anna): #582 - #621
Day Fifteen (Plusle & Minun): #621 - #655
Day Sixteen (Samurai Goroh): #655 - #691
Day Seventeen (Lloyd Irving): #691 - #729
Day Eighteen (Little Mac): #729 - #768
Day Ninteen (Zoroark): #768 - #804
Day Twenty (Ness): #804 - #841
Day Twenty-One (Roy): #841 - #870
Day Twenty-Two (Sukapon): #870 - #913
Day Twenty-Three (Bowser Jr.): #913 - #944
Day Twenty-Four (Krystal): #944 - #1015
Day Twenty-Five (Mega Man): #1015 - #1053
Day Twenty-Six (Ice Climbers): #1053 - #1083
Day Twenty-Seven (Toad): #1083 - #1111
Day Twenty-Eight (Saki Amamiya): #1111 - #1135
Day Twenty-Nine (Krom): #1135- #1163
Day Thirty (Dixie Kong): #1163 - #1204
Day Thirty-One (Ray): #1204 - #1223
Day Thirty-Two (Paper Mario): #1223 - #1260
Day Thirty-Three (Yoshimitsu): #1260 - #1304
Day Thirty-Four (Skull Kid): #1304 - #1336
Day Thirty-Five (Ghirahim): #1336 - #1366
Day Thirty-Six (R.O.B.): #1366 - #1395
Day Thirty-Seven (Black Shadow): #1395 - #1421
Day Thirty-Eight (Lyndis): #1421 - #1446
Day Thirty-Nine (Mii): #1446 - #1482
Day Forty (Rosalina): #1482 - #1508
Day Forty-One (Lucario): #1508 - #1534
Day Forty-Two (Ganondorf): #1534 - #1559
Day Forty-Three (Waluigi): #1559 - #1606
Day Forty-Four (Marth): #1606 - #1646
Day Forty-Five (Geno): #1646 - #1695
Day Forty-Six (Olimar): #1695 - #1719
Day Forty-Seven (Mr. Stevenson): #1719 - #1761
Day Forty-Eight (Claus): #1761 - #1804
Day Forty-Nine (Mach Rider): #1804 - #1828
Day Fifty (Dr. Mario): #1828 - #1868
Day Fifty-One (Ike): #1868 - #1904
Day Fifty-Two (Shy Guy): #1904 - #1953
Day Fifty-Three (Jigglypuff): #1953 - #2020
Day Fifty-Four (Balloon Fighter): #2020 - #2090
Day Fifty-Five (Sonic The Hedgehog): #2090 - ???


Music For All To Enjoy:
Game:
Nominations Music (Earthbound Main Theme)
Prediction (Yu Yu Hakusho's Monster Suit)
A Heated Argument (Dragon Ball Z Japanese Fight Music)

Characters:
Super Mario Bros.: Main Theme (Super Mario Bros.)
Super Mario Sunshine: Shadow Mario (Super Mario Bros.)
Super Mario Sunshine: Boss Battle (Super Mario Bros.)
Super Mario Galaxy: Main Theme (Super Mario Bros.)
Super Mario 3D Land: Main Theme (Super Mario Bros.)
Super Smash Bros. Melee - Dr. Mario Theme (Super Mario Bros.)
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars: Boss Battle Theme (Super Mario Bros.)
Paper Mario: Koopa Bros. Theme (Super Mario Bros.)
Paper Mario: The Thousands-Year Door: Battle Theme (Super Mario Bros.)
Paper Mario: The Thousands-Year Door: Rawk Hawk (Super Mario Bros.)
Paper Mario: The Thousands-Year Door: We Believe In You, Mario! (Super Mario Bros.)
Super Paper Mario: Flipside (Super Mario Bros.)
Mario Kart 7: Waluigi Pinball (Super Mario Bros.)

Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island: Flower Garden (Yoshi)
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island: Final Boss (Yoshi)

Donkey Kong Country: Jungle Hinx (Donkey Kong)
Donkey Kong Country: Final Boss (Donkey Kong)
Donkey Kong Country 2: Mining Melancholy (Donkey Kong)
Donkey Kong Country 2: Final Boss (Donkey Kong)
Donkey Kong Country 2: Stickerbrush Symphony (Donkey Kong)
Donkey Kong Country 3: Boss Boogie (Donkey Kong)
Donkey Kong Country 3: Rockface Rumble (Donkey Kong)
Donkey Kong 64: Mad Jack (Donkey Kong)
Donkey Kong Country Returns: Palm Tree Groove (Donkey Kong)

The Legend of Zelda: Title Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link To The Past: Dark Mountain Forest (The Legend of Zelda)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Ganondorf's Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask: Skull Kid Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask: Stoner Tower Temple (The Legend of Zelda)
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword: Lord Ghirahim's Theme (The Legend of Zelda)

Super Metroid: Title Screen (Metroid)
Super Metroid: Ridley Boss Theme (Metroid)
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes: Dark Samus Battle Theme (Metroid)

Star Fox: Space Armada (Star Fox)
Star Fox: Corneria (Star Fox)
Star Fox Adventure: Fox and Krystal Theme (Star Fox)
Star Fox Command: Krystal Theme (Star Fox)

Pokemon Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow: Main Theme (Pokemon)
Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver: Violet City (Pokemon)
Pokemon Ruby & Sapphire: Wild Pokemon Battle (Pokemon)
Pokemon Ruby & Sapphire: Mt. Pyre's Outer Wall (Pokemon)
Pokemon Diamond & Pearl: Rival Battle (Pokemon)
Pokemon Black & White: Forest of Illusion (Pokemon)
Pokemon Black & White: Zorua/Zoroark Battle (Pokemon)
Pokemon Stadium: Battle With Mewtwo (Pokemon)
Pokemon Battle Revolution: Choosing Your Pokemon (Pokemon)

Pokemon (Anime) - Gym Leader (Version 2) (Pokemon (Anime)

F-zero: Mute City (F-zero)
F-zero: Big Blue (F-zero)
F-zero X: Red Canyon (F-zero)
F-zero X: Climb Up! And Get The Last Chance (F-zero)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Mute City (F-zero)

F-zero GP Legend: The Meaning of Truth (F-zero)

Earthbound: Onett (Earthbound)
Earthbound: Otherworldly Foe (Earthbound)

Fire Emblem: Attack (Fire Emblem)
Fire Emblem 4: Seisen No Keifu (Fire Emblem)
Fire Emblem 6: Winning Road: Roy's Hope (Fire Emblem)
Fire Emblem 7: Inescapable Fate (Fire Emblem)
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance: Victory Is Near (Fire Emblem)
Fire Emblem: Awakening: Main Theme (Fire Emblem)
Fire Emblem: Awakening: Don't You Dare Mock My Sister's Words! (Fire Emblem)
Super Smash Bros. Melee: Fire Emblem Theme (Fire Emblem)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl: With Mila's Divine Protection (Fire Emblem)

Kid Icarus Uprising: Palutena's Temple (Kid Icarus)
Kid Icarus Uprising: The Return of Palutena (Kid Icarus)

Super Smash Bros. Melee: Icicle Mountain (Ice Climbers)

Gyromite: Game A (Gyromite)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Gyromite (Gyromite)

Nazo No Murasame Jo: Orchestral music (The Mysterious Mursame Castle)

Balloon Fight - Main Theme (Balloon Fight)

Mole Mania: Forest Theme (Mole Mania)

Joy Mech Fight: Theme of Tiger (Joy Mech Fight)

Punch-Out!! (Wii): Main Theme (Punch-Out!)

Golden Sun: Venus Lighthouse (Golden Sun)

Sin & Punishment: Successor of the Earth: Within Earshot (Sin & Punishment)
Sin & Punishment: Successor of the Earth: Risk One's Neck (Sin & Punishment)
Sin & Punishment: Successor of the Earth: Agave (Sin & Punishment)
Sin & Punishment: Successor of the Earth: Wait Soon Ripe (Sin & Punishment)
Sin & Punishment: Successor of the Earth: Ally Risker's (Sin & Punishment)

Xenoblade Chronicles: Guar Plain (Xenoblade)
Xenoblade Chronicles: Engage the Enemy (Xenoblade)
Xenoblade Chronicles: You Will Know Our Names (Xenoblade)

Densetsu no Starfi 4: Boss Battle (Starfy)
The Legendary Starfy: Super Tough (Starfy)
The Legendary Starfy: Final Boss Battle (Starfy)

Custom Robo V2: Custom Battle (Custom Robo)

Wii Shop Channel (Wii Series)

Animal Crossing: 2 AM (Animal Crossing)
Animal Crossing: Tom Nook's Store (Animal Crossing)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl: K. K. Gumbo (Animal Crossing)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Go K. K. Rider! (Animal Crossing)

Chibi-Robo: Abandoned Memories (Chibi-Robo)

The Last Story: Dance of Death (The Last Story)
The Last Story: Invitation to Madness (The Last Story)

Sonic Advance 2: Ice Paradise Zone , Act 1 (Sonic the Hedgehog)
Sonic Unleashed: Chun-Nan (Day) (Sonic the Hedgehog)

Mega Man: Elec Man (Mega Man)
Mega Man 2: Intro (Mega Man)
Mega Man 2: Metal Man (Mega Man)
Mega Man 2: Dr. Wily Stage 1 (Mega Man)
Mega Man 3: Snake Man (Mega Man)
Mega Man 4: Dr. Cossack Stage 2 (Mega Man)
Mega Man 5: Gravity Man (Mega Man)
Mega Man 6: Tomahawk Man (Mega Man)
Mega Man 7: Junk Man (Mega Man)
Mega Man 7: Shade Man (Ghouls 'N Ghost) (Mega Man)
Mega Man 8: Grenade Man (Mega Man)
Mega Man & Bass: Cold Man (Mega Man)
Mega Man 9: Fake Man (Mega Man)
Mega Man 10: Nitro Man (Mega Man)
Mega Man 6 Complete Works: Knight Man (Mega Man)
Mega Man 10 Image Soundtracks: Cybersheep Dreams (Mega Man)
Mega Man X: Opening Stage (Mega Man)
Mega Man X2: Wire Sponge (Mega Man)
Mega Man X3: Gravity Beetle (Mega Man)
Mega Man X6: Blazing Heatnix (Mega Man)
Mega Man X6: Rainy Turtloid (Mega Man)
Mega Man Network Transmission: Net On Fire (Mega Man)

Street Fighter II (SNES): Guile's Theme (Street Fighter)

Tekken 2: Yoshimitsu (Tekken)

Soul Calibur 2: History Unfolds (Soul Cailbur)
Soul Cailbur 3: Healing Wind (Soul Calibur)

Tales of Symphonia: Fighting of the Spirits (Tales)
Tales of Symphonia: Beat the Angel (Tales)
Tales of Symphonia: Presea (Tales)

Final Fantasy IV: Boss Theme (Final Fantasy)
Final Fantasy VI: Battle Theme (Final Fantasy)
Final Fantasy VI: The Decisive Battle (Final Fantasy)
Final Fantasy VI: Dancing Mad (Final Fantasy)

Crono Trigger: Secret of the Forest (Crono Trigger)

Street Fighter X Tekken: Training Stage (Street Fighter/Tekken)

Misc.:
Diana Ross - I'm Coming Out
Michael Jackson - Rock With You
Michael Jackson - The Lady In My Life
Sheena Easton - Morning Train (Nine to Five)

Have you read all of this? If not, go back and read them. Then come below and have fun!
 
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Day One: Nominate Your Favorite Character!:

Want to debate and vote? Simple, just vote for who you want and keep vote five times on whoever you want in a day! Step right up and vote for who you deem worthy of the trial. No mercy shall be spared upon those who enter.

Day One Begins Now! The first day will last until 8 PM CST/9 PM EST tomorrow. Yo have twenty-four hours.

I nominate Mega Man, Mewtwo, Mii, Mach Rider, and Lucario.
 

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Allright, good to see you've restarted this game, the previous version was just a mess.
We should start with the characters that we started with the previous game, so my votes go to
Ridley x2
K. Rool x2
Waluigi
 
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Nominations

x2 Takamaru
x2 King K. Rool
x2 Palutena
x2 Prince Sable
x2 Ridley

:phone:
I stated only five nominations. I'll be taking the x2 off unless you request a different change.
 

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My nominations...

1: King K. Rool
2: Ridley
3: Zoroark
4: Rosalina
5: Bowser Jr.

Also, I'll sticky this thread for easier access.
 

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My nominations will be Medusa, Dark Samus, Adam Malkovich, Starfy and Samurai Goroh
 

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My nominations are:

Dark Samus x2
Saki x1
Palutena x2
 

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My nominations: Ridley, K. Rool, x3 Muddy Mole.
 

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Since this has yet to pick up, and so we can get back on track sooner:

5x K. Rool
 

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restarting? Shame I thought we had collected enough Data from K.Rool to make a decision until re-votes.
Oh well, this time my character approach is going to be different, no more voting on characters I know will take forever to get votes
Lloyd Irvingx3
Paper Mariox2
 

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I'll nominate Impa x 2, Isaac x 1 and Mewtwo x 2.

:phone:
 

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plusle and minun x2.
kamek x 2.
Out of interest, I'm wondering why I'm the only guy nominating these guys, on the last thread i was the only guy too, is there a reason no one wants them in?
I'd also like to nominate bowser junior.
 

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Not trying to sound stupid but... who's muddy mole?
A fantastic choice for a retro rep. Anyway, the thread's in my signature if you want to go and be enlightened, and also to avoid going off topic.
 

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A fantastic choice for a retro rep. Anyway, the thread's in my signature if you want to go and be enlightened, and also to avoid going off topic.
Thanks a lot.

I've read this OP, and this character has one of the more compelling cases I've seen in relation to SSB4, I'm going to nominate and vote highly for him after reading that. The final smash is really quite interesting, it seems like a smaller version of my mewtwo's final smash, psystrike; of course, this is plain coincedence. *Looks suspiciously at you.

Oops I missed this post, thanks to you too. (Sorry about double post.)
 
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Updated OP with nominations.

Day Two will start in three hours.
 

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Thanks a lot.

I've read this OP, and this character has one of the more compelling cases I've seen in relation to SSB4, I'm going to nominate and vote highly for him after reading that. The final smash is really quite interesting, it seems like a smaller version of my mewtwo's final smash, psystrike; of course, this is plain coincedence. *Looks suspiciously at you.
Actually, I cannot take credit for the Final Smash. Arcadenik gave me the idea. Anyway, to avoid off-topicness, I suggest either taking it to the Muddy thread or to me via Private Message. Either one is appreciated. :)
 
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"The sun sets on the dawn of the game. Fans awaited anxiously for who would come first, their desire screaming out of them to vote whoever was up...

Twenty-four painful hours of anticipation was finally rewarded when King K. Rool stepped upon the stage. K. Rool at first appeared aloof and a bum with his show-off style, confusing many people. However, when a hater mocked him. K. Rool sent his Klaptrap to take care of him. When the Klaptrap was done, the hater was silenced as he was owned. His glaring eyes questioned any potential mockers.

After that, his trial began.


Day Two has begun! You may discuss and vote on King K. Rool's odds along with vote how much you want him. Today is also the day where you predict what score Ridley gets. Day Two lasts until somewhere between 8:05 PM CST to 10 PM CST (depending on when I can start the new day from work).
 

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(tell me if I messed anything up, just missed noms for day 1...)

I think he is fairly likely due to popularity and being a central character in DK series. I think he is hurt a bit by being absent from DKCR, but not much. 75% edit: 4.5/5

Nominate Kalas X5.

edit: Wanted: 3/5. I don't dislike him and there are worse candiates, but I'm not going to be shouting YES! when he is announced.
Predict 4.2/5 for Ridley
 
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And so, the first day begins with King K. Rool.

There are very few characters that I am willing to bet on getting in Smash 4. Of course no one is guarantee a spot, but there are characters out there that I feel are so likely that it's worth betting in. One of those characters is King K. Rool and I would be lying if I didn't say I am willing to bet $20 to any doubters that he gets in.

King K. Rool is one of the most popular requests to show up in Super Smash Bros. 4. From my observation, he's the second most wanted character out there (behind Mewtwo), being incredibly popular in the West and has evidence of decent popularity in Japan as well, so he has massive support backing him there.

What also helps is that he fits very easily into the nature of Smash and is highly unique with his demented yet eccentric personality and his move set being easy to create. Pick one of the Rare games he's been in (where the influence will come from if he gets in) and an unique and satisfying move set can be created.

Also worth noting is that he is important to the Donkey Kong Country series. When people think of a Donkey Kong villain, they don't think of Tiki Tong, they think of King K. Rool and the back lash over the lack of Kremlings in Donkey Kong Country Returns shows that. K. Rool has a good chance of returning to the Donkey Kong franchise

The only possible issue that may come up with his inclusion is potential competition with Dixie Kong. Now I believe that there will be four characters for Donkey Kong with King K. Rool and Dixie Kong serving as newcomers, but if there were only to be three, I'm leaning towards King K. Rool due to his importance, popularity, and move set potentials beating that of Dixie Kong, although the possibility of Dixie Kong over King K. Rool being chosen does exist under a three slot situation.

Still, I think he is the most likely newcomer for Super Smash Bros. 4. I would be shocked to see him miss his chance.

I give King K. Rool a 4.8/5 in likelihood. In terms of how much I want him, I give him a 5/5. He would make a fantastic addition and is one of the most deserving candidates for Smash 4 (along with Ridley, Little Mac, and Mewtwo).

@deuxhero: Please use a 0 to 5 decimal system up to the hundredth. That's the system this version is going by.

Oh and if you want, you can always nominate five times for whoever you want (as long as they are eligible for voting) and predict Ridley's final result tomorrow.

I nominate Mach Rider, Krystal, Toad, Paper Mario, and Ghirahim.
 

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Agh! I' thought I had it all down! I don't have enough time to put my thoughts on K. Rool but her are my scores.

My likelihood rating: 4.15
My want rating: 4.90

Here is my Ridley prediction score: 4.65.

I will nominate:

Dark Samus x2
Palutena x1
Prince Sable x1
Tom Nook x1
 
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I will save my full discussion concerning K. rool tomorrow but I will predict that he gets a score out 4.25.

I will nominate:

Dark Samus x2
Palutena x1
Prince Sable x1
Tom Nook x1
Today, we're rating King K. Rool on how likely he is to show up as a playable character. If for some reason participation is as slow as it is, I will extend this day to forty-eight hours.
 

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K. Rool, A definite favorite here in the west but not so much, if at all, in the east. However I doubt borders will affect the roster in this day and age, especially in a game that's allabout different universes colliding.
K. Rool, being the main antagonist of many Donkey Kong titles, is unforgettable to any who have played a game starring him. His cartoony villainish appeal and wide variety of roles, ranging from pirate to James Bond-esque psychopath, has engraved a place in the hearts of many. Sadly some franchises must come to an end, and the new Donkey Kong is not associated with the crazy croc. Whether this be a grudge against one of the few game developers that rivaled Nintendo EAD or simply a lack of interest in his character is undeterminable. Of course it could just be that none felt they could do him justice as Rareware did, but the fact remains that K. Rool has been booted from the big games in modern times. But Seeing as how at least 90% of Smash Bros, is retro reps anyway this really shouldn't even be an opposition. In all honesty, very little stands in his way of making it into SSB4. The only thing that comes to mind is that the smash bros devs may see the DK & Diddy duo as enough reps for the franchise and leave it at that.

I'm giving K. Rool a likelihood of 4.1
I predict that most people's average will add up to 4.32
 

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K. Rool is a rather obvious staple to the DK franchise who'd clash claws with the great ape in many Donkey Kong games. Sure he is not that popular in Japan, but he has a massive American/European support on his side. His moveset would involves all his krazy personas and antics from all his appearances. He would make up for the small amount of playable antagonists in the Smash franchise and would fit in well with the villainous cast. Despite his absense from DKCR, he is still beloved and rembered by all his fans and the Smash fanbase. He would make sense as the first revealed character, for which it could cause a lot of hype for Sm4sh. As the most wanted DK rep for this game, he gets a 4.5/5 from me.

Nominations:

x3Takamaru
x2 Mega Man
 
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